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On November 08 2010 16:13 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2010 16:06 infinitestory wrote:On November 08 2010 16:04 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On November 08 2010 15:58 infinitestory wrote:
Ok then. I can't find a hole in your story, and kitaman's investigations are just too correct for me to fault him quite yet (plus, if he were mafia and really wanted to get rid of you, he would almost certainly have came out and said directly that you're scum instead of providing the correct description of what happened)
So who else is on your scumdar right now? (don't include kitaman, as I don't want this argument looping around anymore) Wait... If kitaman is telling the truth doesn't that make Ace scum? I don't see how you can have it both ways. kitaman tells the truth: infun did not leave house, amber did not leave house, ace carried out a hit ace tells the truth: carried out the hit on deconduo that's how you can have it both ways Then it comes down to what are the odds that Ace uses his vig hit the night I happen to check him. Quite a coincidence that he claims the only hypothetical situation that would save him.
I have certain conditions on my role. Lets just say that if I wasn't sure about deconduo I'd be dead right now.
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What? That's not how it went down.
Kitaman: Ace was involved in last night's hit and is also responsible the spread of M-Rus. He must be lynched.
Ace: So you pretty much are accusing me of being Scum.
Why would I immediately role claim when I've said over 1,000 times I never role claim when I don't have to? You think it's strange that after a bunch of lurkers show up to vote me off that I do try to put some information out there to save myself? You think it's also weird that you want me lynched and I argue that you can't be telling the truth? Seriously? lol
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Easy for you to say when you don't have a bunch of votes next to your name 
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I don't know, the thing that sits with me is the fact that you were saying I had to be Mafia. It still makes me feel uneasy about you.
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On November 09 2010 00:46 L wrote:Ace, does your role have anything to do with m-rus? You haven't really claimed vig, but there's a second, unaccounted-for, portion of the kita claim against you. Please answer asap. In other news: How is it that people who were called out for active lurking have continued to active lurk and aren't being called out on it? The recent dancing around Kenpachi as a lynch target over Nemesis and Meapak doesn't seem to make much sense either; there's far more evidence of scum play for the aforementioned latter two, whereas the former seems to be getting voted exclusively on the condition that the votes will change. That's fucking odd bro. Show nested quote +On November 08 2010 23:13 L wrote:On November 08 2010 15:52 infinitestory wrote:On November 08 2010 15:50 L wrote:
I suggest you look at 666's hatter role and the last Day post before assuming Decuondo wasn't hit.
Seems pretty clear that 666's bombs did not go off and that he killed himself. we never said 666 blew deconduo with a bomb, in fact we clarified several times that his bombs never went off at all ace said (untruthfully, it seems o_O) that deconduo probably died in 666's suicide bomb We? Yeah, nevermind this, I just relooked over the last page. Seems I missed your small EWBOP post on my first read through and I had the hit synopsis you posted on the page before in my mind, so I was wondering why you were saying that you adopted kita's position when you had said the opposite less than 20 posts away.
I don't know about the M-rus stuff since that isn't in my role description. Maybe I got infected which would be a reason why Scum haven't capped my yet.
@kitaman: well yea we'll call a truce. The quick voters who jumped on the wagon are more eye popping targets right now.
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Hyperbola you've been lurking THE ENTIRE GAME. Why are you surprised that since the town has a grand total of 2 Scum kills you're on the block?
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Seems funny you now believe I'm scum but you said last night you were voting for whoever had the most votes and voted for me.
So last night you didn't think I was scum, but now you do?
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On November 09 2010 08:32 kitaman27 wrote:Was this a vote because Pandain is your number one scum target or a vote for self preservation?
Both but mostly the former. I actually temporarily put Pandain out of my mind because of the fast vote of all the lurkers.
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how about you explain now?
@kita: you still got that vote on me. I'm feeling a bit uneasy with the sudden activity.
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See what I mean? That vote thread is looking pretty crazy right now.
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Well this is a pretty tense moment.
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lol @ Glasse. Conveniently you ignore that Pandain survived the lynch right? Ok.
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On November 09 2010 09:35 Infundibulum wrote:it still boggles me that out of all the detectives not one checked Ace all game (unless there's an unclaimed DT out there)
Or a DT checked me and found me innocent.
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On November 09 2010 09:38 Glasse wrote:
he would have said something, mr mafia
If I'm innocent and a DT checks me why would he out himself if he hasn't found any guilty results? durrrr?
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*bows to the crowd for an awesome performance as Scum*
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oh come on, how many hoops does this circus act have?
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Pandain, who was supposed to die 2 days ago.
Pandain, who came up with this crazy plan to save himself from a sure lynch.
Pandain, who I said "you need to convince townies to vote for KtheZ lol good luck".
Pandain, who always cried "op me!" in IRC while I was trying to watch porn.
Pandain, who had so many obvious scum moments but listened to us and just slept his way out of the thread at convenient times.
Pandain, who defied my advice and claimed an active role and still managed to dupe the town with a role that should have been scrutinized more.
Pandain, who nightkilled Jcarl and made me wonder why the fuck did we even pick him?
Pandain, who probably should have been the first Scum lynched.
Pandain, probably gets the Most Improved Player award because the day of his lynch elevated his game. He learned how to lie like a master Scum player then deflect all attention away. Even youngminii's cries of "fucking lynch already!" couldn't stop the rape.
Epic.
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On November 12 2010 10:37 infinitestory wrote:
nicely played by L and Pandain, but L should have been lynched 100%. I have almost no idea how he wasn't.
the entire LD vs L shitfest boils down to:
LunarD: hey i wanna side with town, everyone cool with taht?
L: NO UR LYING THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN WIN IS IF YOU SIDE WITH MAFIA... (what kind of right-minded townie would try to argue to a 3rd party that their only chance of winning is to side with mafia?) and watch this, he's not even right about that:
if you had lynched Kenpachi and L, then Pandain hit by 3rd party at night, the town would have won come day because NB would have killed Node, also causing his own death.
the town was pretty indecisive, a recurring theme... since they spread their votes so epically, the mafia could have basically all claimed right before the lynch and still put the 2nd kill (besides kenpachi) on whoever they wanted anyway... it's no wonder Nemesis died instead of Pandain or L, and that sealed it.
congratulations mafia, it came down to the very end indeed... can't wait to see awards
Actually I'm glad L kept arguing the way he did.
3rd party says they could win with Town or Scum but could have been lying. They could have had a win by themselves condition and just said it to stay alive. No way anyone could know ^_^
My major issue with this game was that the Mafia had 2KP, where as the Town has a TON of KP. This game was close yet only ONE Mafia player was ever lynched. This was an easy Scum win that turned into a drag out game because of the amounts of non-scum KP that ran rampant.
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On November 12 2010 10:49 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2010 10:45 Ace wrote:
My major issue with this game was that the Mafia had 2KP, where as the Town has a TON of KP. This game was close yet only ONE Mafia player was ever lynched. This was an easy Scum win that turned into a drag out game because of the amounts of non-scum KP that ran rampant. Mafia had NB which by the oracle they could direct via the bus, and they had murrayitis (which I had expected to spread more). Drugs dealer could have been used on cubed. I think mafia had enough weapons this game. Town only had 2 vigs which died if they missed and only had one hit, a mad hatter that kills himself, a zombie that gets one hit from the grave and the town hero if he got a lynch right. It was that the third party turned on the mafia that caused the most casualties.
2 Vigis
Mad hatter
Zombie
Double lynches
Town hero
which adds up to 10 KP for 9 Mafia. - whoa?
vs
2 Scum KP + "1"
Our random +1 KP can hit us and is by nature random so the fact that we have to use a busdriver negates any advantage that kill could have for us. Then you have a role that says where the KP is going to hit so docs can just smash it. That same random KP actually almost cost us because it targeted NB and we had to come up with a busdriver action to save him.
Above all else our KP could be reduced to 1.
That is A LOT of hoops to jump through. I understand that the modkills threw this off but when the Town only lynched 1 Scum player successfully, then has a confirmed 3rd party hit 2 Scum that's either a ton of luck or a ton of KP that the town could throw away and still come out ahead. Either way like I said, the town only had 1 successful lynch.
I also understand the mrus thing. It was a good mechanic. If we had a bit better communication with some of our Scum team maybe it would have done more damage. Still that doesn't ignore the fact that there is 10 KP for 9 Scum out there
This is our QT that we stopped using because we just stayed in IRC later:
http://www.quicktopic.com/45/H/w6BP87KQvQ5
On November 12 2010 10:50 infinitestory wrote:
i think that the town KP and superpowers certainly balances out with the fact that the mafia can share roles and have a significant amount more information than the town, and that allows the mafia to manipulate better
next post is 1000 so im thinking about saving it for something
edit: although admittedly like 500 of my posts hav been in mafia forum
When the Town has a lot of power roles, and certainly in a game where it's all Power Roles the Mafia pretty much NEED to have a lot of members or super roles to have a chance. The Scum will always start with more information than the town but that doesn't mean the Town should have enough KP to kill over half the Mafia. Normally you want the town to at least have to lynch correctly a few times to win and at the end of the day they only lynched correctly once.
If the town had played a bit better or we played worse then no amount of Scum manipulation would have helped. 10 KP, lots of medics, a few roles to stop infection, 4 information roles and some good game planning would have stomped us into the ground. Remember only one lynch was on a Scum and it was still a contest.
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On November 12 2010 11:03 LunarDestiny wrote:
instead of arguing about the balance in the game. Why don't you argue against the difference between a tracker and a watcher?
Just read about 20 pages back when I used that one to stay alive.
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