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jodogohoo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada2533 Posts
October 11 2010 04:26 GMT
#92
wait so... did the game start yet?
jodogohoo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada2533 Posts
October 11 2010 04:55 GMT
#118
On October 11 2010 13:53 orgolove wrote:

Korynne: one other person in the cafe, drove for a long distance and when she stopped in her driveway she could swear she heard a noise in the backseat, silenced gunshot


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=kenpachi
lol a picture of itachi driving xD
jodogohoo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada2533 Posts
October 11 2010 04:58 GMT
#125
On October 11 2010 13:53 orgolove wrote:
Qatol: tall man, Right before he stepped off the stranger grabbed the back of his shirt. Qatol turned around to defend himself but was met with a hammer. The silver instrument bashed his skull to pieces, laughed maniacally

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=HeavOnEarth
break bones in face
jodogohoo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada2533 Posts
October 11 2010 05:39 GMT
#171
On October 11 2010 14:37 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2010 14:35 Coagulation wrote:
why the hell everyone voting to kill me already? theres hasnt been a single clue relevent to me mentioned at all. jeez.

coagulation is something that happens to blood when someone dies they bleed GG YOU KILLED EVERYONE CAUSE THEY ALL BLED

or he is just talking about the halo2 map =(
jodogohoo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada2533 Posts
October 11 2010 06:02 GMT
#205
here are some profiles that might be shady =|
+ Show Spoiler +

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=Iankill
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=annul
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=Veldril
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=ShmotZ
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=kingjames01
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=HeavOnEarth
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=kenpachi
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=Masq
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=jaminz
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=NB
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=kitaman27
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=d3_crescentia
jodogohoo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada2533 Posts
October 11 2010 06:02 GMT
#206
On October 11 2010 15:01 youngminii wrote:
aztro you realise if shmotz is actually scum you just signed your own death warrant

wait but then that would be obvious because if shmotz kills you at night then we would suspect shmotz

wait but if scum kills you in order to frame shmotz we'd all think shmotz is scum and we'd end up lynching an innocent

but what if shmotz knew that and actually decided to kill you anyway in the hopes that town would think scum is trying to frame shmotz

this is confusing

we should kill this guy
jodogohoo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada2533 Posts
October 11 2010 17:06 GMT
#356
lol spydr zerroth and flicky defending someone who is clearly guilty, hmm
jodogohoo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada2533 Posts
October 11 2010 17:09 GMT
#358
On October 12 2010 02:02 Flicky wrote:
My general opinion on the Whole Masq thing is that he's not doing a great job of defending himself despite it only being day 1.

While it's possible it's "too obvious" to some, as soon as I realised it can't have been a Jack O'Lantern framing, the more it seems that's the only lead.

Seems likely to me and that a possible miss-lynch wouldn't be too much of an issue.

drawing attention away
jodogohoo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada2533 Posts
October 11 2010 17:10 GMT
#359
On October 12 2010 02:09 NB wrote:
i notice a lots of people voted without reason or posting in this thread...
Just as a warning: thats make you really looks like a mafia/vampire who wana sneaky killing people.

I have a feeling that the more votes we have for masq, the deeper we are falling into a trap... The only reason i would vote for him right now is beacause he "seem" to have a teammate who is "Veldrill".As Dr.H has cleared out, Jack-o-lantern is a role and not a clue so the picture must be non-related....

I fact, We should pay attention to the people who are keep accusing masq and keep our track on them... Just to be safe.

a non related note: jodogohoo changed his vote again... there is something really supicious about the way this guy vote... He is either a newb or some psycho killer -.-

^_^
jodogohoo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada2533 Posts
October 11 2010 17:12 GMT
#360
On October 12 2010 01:24 spydR wrote:
Show nested quote +

"townie like us" seems to me that you are trying to make the players feel you are one of the townies. Why would someone who is a townie want to try and appear to be a townie?


Perhaps because he doesn't want to be lynched within one day of play - particularly if he's telling the truth?


Why would a townie be lynched within one day of play? SUSPICION!

On October 12 2010 01:31 zerroth wrote:
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[B]On October 12 2010 00:43 Veldril wrote:

That means the clue might hurt townie like us too.


I don't know. This just makes me feel like he's trying to protect Masq and himself at the same time. If he wants to protect Masq instead drawing on another person's name into the discussion, wouldn't it seem that they would be on the same team?

if he is just a townie, why does he care if he dies? specifically if HE WAS A TOWNIE, he would straight up tell them, not make up these crazy explanations.
1. im a townie! your wasting your lynch! or simple just saying nothing, as a townie he is distracting us so either way i want to see him dead =D
jodogohoo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada2533 Posts
October 11 2010 17:14 GMT
#363
On October 11 2010 18:59 deconduo wrote:
Its nice to wake up to 10+ pages of mafia to look through. This is gonna be a loooooong game. Just a few quick things:

-Silver Hammer might refer to the Beatle's song, Maxwell's Silver Hammer. Especially as it was John Lennon's 70th birthday the other day. I'm gonna have a look to see if anyone has Beatle's lyrics in their profile.

-Gonna add some stuff to my profile on request from mods. Picture and quote will stay the same.

-I'm going to vote for Coagulation for now. The old 'Why me = fry me' rule has rarely ever failed me.

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On October 11 2010 14:35 Coagulation wrote:
why the hell everyone voting to kill me already? theres hasnt been a single clue relevent to me mentioned at all. jeez.


On October 11 2010 14:56 Coagulation wrote:
omg i found incriminating evidence against myself

DoctorHelvetica was sitting at his desk deep within the Liquidvania jail. The jail used to be a dungeon when Dracula was in power and there were still bloodstains on the old stone walls. He heard footsteps coming down the hall, assuming it was the deputy warden coming to do his rounds he didn't even look back but just absorbed himself in his book on zombie history. The door creaked open and the footsteps stopped. DoctorHelvetica looked back at the open doorway but saw no one.

better post let the guys know


On October 11 2010 14:58 Coagulation wrote:
NO i think we should all stop analysing and just keep voting for coag for no reason


On October 11 2010 15:43 Coagulation wrote:
how the hell are you gonna vote for me when there hasnt been a single shred of presentable evidence to imply me as scum

yet your going to defend the most heavily implicated person here???

sounds like there are hidden motives to me.


-I'm gonna add more stuff later.



he also trys to put some pressure on the guy making the very helpful spreadsheet
jodogohoo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada2533 Posts
October 11 2010 17:16 GMT
#364
On October 11 2010 18:59 deconduo wrote:
Its nice to wake up to 10+ pages of mafia to look through. This is gonna be a loooooong game. Just a few quick things:

-Silver Hammer might refer to the Beatle's song, Maxwell's Silver Hammer. Especially as it was John Lennon's 70th birthday the other day. I'm gonna have a look to see if anyone has Beatle's lyrics in their profile.

-Gonna add some stuff to my profile on request from mods. Picture and quote will stay the same.

-I'm going to vote for Coagulation for now. The old 'Why me = fry me' rule has rarely ever failed me.

+ Show Spoiler +
On October 11 2010 14:35 Coagulation wrote:
why the hell everyone voting to kill me already? theres hasnt been a single clue relevent to me mentioned at all. jeez.


On October 11 2010 14:56 Coagulation wrote:
omg i found incriminating evidence against myself

DoctorHelvetica was sitting at his desk deep within the Liquidvania jail. The jail used to be a dungeon when Dracula was in power and there were still bloodstains on the old stone walls. He heard footsteps coming down the hall, assuming it was the deputy warden coming to do his rounds he didn't even look back but just absorbed himself in his book on zombie history. The door creaked open and the footsteps stopped. DoctorHelvetica looked back at the open doorway but saw no one.

better post let the guys know


On October 11 2010 14:58 Coagulation wrote:
NO i think we should all stop analysing and just keep voting for coag for no reason


On October 11 2010 15:43 Coagulation wrote:
how the hell are you gonna vote for me when there hasnt been a single shred of presentable evidence to imply me as scum

yet your going to defend the most heavily implicated person here???

sounds like there are hidden motives to me.


-I'm gonna add more stuff later.



coagulation also trys to put some pressure on the guy making the very helpful spreadsheet
jodogohoo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada2533 Posts
October 11 2010 17:32 GMT
#367
On October 12 2010 02:29 seRapH wrote:
as of right now, lynching masq is a 66% win, so to me it's acceptable:

A) if masq is scum, then hooray day 1 scum lynched!
B) if masq is townie, then people will realize how meaningless these clues really are.
C) if masq is blue, then but judging from his response its doubtful.

Show nested quote +
On October 12 2010 02:06 jodogohoo wrote:
lol spydr zerroth and flicky defending someone who is clearly guilty, hmm

i wouldnt say flicky is "clearly" defending him, at any rate.

flicky is being sneaky with the way he's posting
jodogohoo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada2533 Posts
October 11 2010 17:34 GMT
#368
we need a majority on Veldril not masq though imo
jodogohoo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada2533 Posts
October 11 2010 17:40 GMT
#372
On October 12 2010 02:38 deconduo wrote:
Also, I feel we should not be focusing so much on clues. They will help us a lot more later on when we can add them up, but for now they are just a distraction. Posting style is much more important. Looking at who is voting and not posting is pretty crucial as well.

yeah, a few people have almost 0 posts
jodogohoo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada2533 Posts
October 11 2010 17:42 GMT
#373
CKSide
d3_crescentia
southrawrea
jodogohoo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada2533 Posts
October 11 2010 17:48 GMT
#375
On October 12 2010 02:47 seRapH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2010 01:22 Pandain wrote:
##Vote Pandain

I think I have a good read on him

VI
oh wait...
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2010 02:42 jodogohoo wrote:
CKSide
d3_crescentia
southrawrea

i'm pretty sure there are way more than that that are MIA

yeah i got bored checking posting frequency =(
jodogohoo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada2533 Posts
October 11 2010 18:23 GMT
#379
On October 12 2010 03:09 CubEdIn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2010 02:12 Veldril wrote:
On October 12 2010 02:02 Flicky wrote:
My general opinion on the Whole Masq thing is that he's not doing a great job of defending himself despite it only being day 1.

While it's possible it's "too obvious" to some, as soon as I realised it can't have been a Jack O'Lantern framing, the more it seems that's the only lead.

Seems likely to me and that a possible miss-lynch wouldn't be too much of an issue.


After spending time reading rules, I do agree that miss-lynch on the first day is not a big issue. We have 61 players here, with 22 reds. That we have 39 greens/blues. Considering that mafias and vampires each can kill up to 3 people (or have to kill three people I'm not sure, might need clarification on this), we can say that on the first day plus first night, there will be up to 7 people dead. If all dead are hit at townie, then townie will have 32 player left. And worst case would be 7 of either vampire or mafia are killed (only single side), which I believe is very unlikely.


As for masq, as I said in the beginning, it may not be the smartest thing to go on with such an obvious clue, but then again what other options do we have?
Really, no other clues come close to this in my opinion. If we find someone who's more likely, then I'd gladly change my vote.

lol what?
jodogohoo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada2533 Posts
October 11 2010 19:14 GMT
#410
at this point veldril is just being a scapegoat, he was probably already chosen to be sacrificed =\ we need to focus on our next target
jodogohoo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada2533 Posts
October 11 2010 20:40 GMT
#446
On October 12 2010 05:33 seRapH wrote:
@NB i accused coag from the start because accusing people is a good way to get a reaction from them, and with that you can garner what you will. in this case, i believe the reaction i got from the terrorist is simply too shady to ignore. if he were a townie, he wouldn't be so much worried about getting lynched than hunting for the real reds. why should i accuse randomly instead of using the clues? because clues are very vague, and can be twisted every which way, i don't trust them.

if i were red, i'd stay low, until i know who i can accuse without attracting attention. i'd see that people thought masq was a good choice to accuse, and jump on that. or maybe masq was in my family and then i'd reserve my vote until someone else with a lot of votes not in my family comes up.

TERRORISTS!
jodogohoo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada2533 Posts
October 11 2010 20:47 GMT
#451
On October 12 2010 05:46 jcarlsoniv wrote:
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On October 12 2010 05:40 jodogohoo wrote:
On October 12 2010 05:33 seRapH wrote:
@NB i accused coag from the start because accusing people is a good way to get a reaction from them, and with that you can garner what you will. in this case, i believe the reaction i got from the terrorist is simply too shady to ignore. if he were a townie, he wouldn't be so much worried about getting lynched than hunting for the real reds. why should i accuse randomly instead of using the clues? because clues are very vague, and can be twisted every which way, i don't trust them.

if i were red, i'd stay low, until i know who i can accuse without attracting attention. i'd see that people thought masq was a good choice to accuse, and jump on that. or maybe masq was in my family and then i'd reserve my vote until someone else with a lot of votes not in my family comes up.

TERRORISTS!


Unnecessary.

Your posts have been plentiful and, for the most part, lacking quality. You are stirring up unneeded disruption/conflict. You will be gone soon enough.

alright alright =(
jodogohoo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada2533 Posts
October 11 2010 21:16 GMT
#464
On October 12 2010 06:09 Thegilaboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2010 06:04 Coagulation wrote:
On October 12 2010 05:56 seRapH wrote:
if you're a zombie then lynching you day 1 does zero harm. you should expect to lynch a green day 1, just by general probability and red interference. lynching reds day 1 is extremely lucky. lynching blues day 1 is not


well fuck.
I had no idea

so what exactly is the point of being zombie then?
everyone else gets actions and stuff to influence/control the game.
and i get the cannon fodder role? lame.


Not exactly. Zombies make up the bulk of the population, so they have the strongest voting power during the day. If you can get the Zombies rallied behind a cause, especially with the aid of some blues, town will get to vote whoever they want so long as they maintain their numbers. Also since there are so many townies, we have the greatest number of doing post analyses and clue analyses for our cause.

and we're pretty much expendable
jodogohoo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada2533 Posts
October 11 2010 21:40 GMT
#480
stop derailing the thread and cluttering stuff up
jodogohoo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada2533 Posts
October 11 2010 22:47 GMT
#508
On October 12 2010 07:42 Bill Murray wrote:
aztrorisk better switch to veldril or he is a fucking liar and we are going to lynch him due to LAL

LYNCH
ALL
LIARS

LYNCH EVERYONE!
jodogohoo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada2533 Posts
October 11 2010 22:49 GMT
#510
On October 12 2010 07:48 youngminii wrote:
After wading through 8 pages of text, I have come to a conclusion. I am going to vote for either Masq or Veldril.

Gee, how smart am I?

what about me =(
jodogohoo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada2533 Posts
October 12 2010 00:43 GMT
#595
what about kenpachi itachi driving =(
jodogohoo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada2533 Posts
October 12 2010 04:45 GMT
#654
On October 12 2010 13:44 Coagulation wrote:
the term red has been used many times in this thread.
and campaigns of disinformation have existed long before i got access to mafia forum


sounds legit lol
jodogohoo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada2533 Posts
October 12 2010 04:46 GMT
#655
On October 12 2010 13:44 Coagulation wrote:
the term red has been used many times in this thread.
and campaigns of disinformation have existed long before i got access to mafia forum


DOESN'T MEAN I TRUST YOU THOUGH! TERRORIST! =(
jodogohoo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada2533 Posts
October 12 2010 04:50 GMT
#659
On October 12 2010 13:49 NB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2010 13:02 Bill Murray wrote:
i feel like dancing to thriller

go play plant vs zombie xD... that game is cute :3

michael jackson zombie!
jodogohoo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada2533 Posts
October 12 2010 04:51 GMT
#661
On October 12 2010 13:51 youngminii wrote:
How is campaign of disinformation a mafia term

How isn't it a mafia term?
jodogohoo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada2533 Posts
October 12 2010 05:03 GMT
#664
i only look like im bandwagoning because they posted first, i had a similar train of though... give me some credit guys, i'm just supporting evidence that i feel is significant
jodogohoo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada2533 Posts
October 12 2010 05:22 GMT
#672
mafia is probably eating popcorn lol
jodogohoo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada2533 Posts
October 12 2010 05:23 GMT
#676
ugh i need to stop spamming =(
jodogohoo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada2533 Posts
October 12 2010 05:37 GMT
#704
On October 12 2010 14:36 youngminii wrote:
spam

DETRIMENTAL TO THE TOWN! LYNCH LYNCH LYNCH
jodogohoo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada2533 Posts
October 12 2010 05:38 GMT
#708
On October 12 2010 14:38 youngminii wrote:
what why i've just been doing what everyone else has been doing for the past x pages, where x is an arbitrary number

LYNCH EVERYONE!
jodogohoo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada2533 Posts
October 12 2010 05:43 GMT
#717
On October 12 2010 14:42 orgolove wrote:
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On October 12 2010 14:34 annul wrote:
in fact, YOU made up the fact that lankill was for masq, which was a blatant lie.

so i wonder if i am wrong in voting vendril, to be quite honest it is you i have caught in (now two) lies.


Hmm, from the start I said I am human, and I can make errors. As soon as I was informed of this, I made the changes asap. In fact, you can easily doublecheck anything in the spreadsheet yourself if you put in the time.

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On October 12 2010 00:19 orgolove wrote:
It won't be of much help if I don't get more help on some of the info... I may make mistakes or miss somethings - I can't possibly keep track of 61 people at once all by myself.

At the very least I'll update the votes list daily...

yeah i gotta back him up on this one
jodogohoo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada2533 Posts
October 12 2010 05:44 GMT
#721
On October 12 2010 14:43 spydR wrote:
Jodogohoo, post constructively or not at all. Thread is long enough.

alright alright =(
jodogohoo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada2533 Posts
October 12 2010 05:45 GMT
#722
On October 12 2010 14:43 youngminii wrote:
yeah jodogohoo post constructively god

<3
jodogohoo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada2533 Posts
October 12 2010 06:50 GMT
#751
i was actually going to recommend someone do a post count check =) so kudos to you lol

but right now we need to stop screwing around =(
if your a townie and your spamming like a retard "cough cough" you need to stop, not only are cluttering up the thread prevent discussion, people who want to help will probably be intimidated by the huge amount of posts and refrain from analysis..

we also need to get back on track with the clues and posting pattern. we have some suspects but we should question some more people and actually have them reply back. right now there is so much shit going on people can just dodge questions

so simply put, if you are a townie, stop fucking posting garbage, your are detrimental to the team.
jodogohoo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada2533 Posts
October 12 2010 07:01 GMT
#752
neos, yogy have voted for a lynch on masq
kenpachi, grandmoose have voted for a lynch on veldril

very suspicious in my opinion. i feel like they are newbie reds told to keep low by some more experienced reds but also told to vote for specific people early on as to not have to vote near the end, which is also suspicious. and they also voted for the people who may be on the opposing red fraction... or something @_@ not entirely sure if my deductions are clear, but the idea is there, hopefully someone will be able to take what i said and state it in a more concise statement
jodogohoo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada2533 Posts
October 12 2010 07:08 GMT
#753
On October 12 2010 16:01 jodogohoo wrote:
neos, yogy have voted for a lynch on masq
kenpachi, grandmoose have voted for a lynch on veldril

very suspicious in my opinion. i feel like they are newbie reds told to keep low by some more experienced reds but also told to vote for specific people early on as to not have to vote near the end, which is also suspicious. and they also voted for the people who may be on the opposing red fraction... or something @_@ not entirely sure if my deductions are clear, but the idea is there, hopefully someone will be able to take what i said and state it in a more concise statement


so perhaps if we switch the lynch targets to one of those 4 we might get some very interesting results
jodogohoo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada2533 Posts
October 12 2010 14:10 GMT
#763
On October 12 2010 19:29 HeavOnEarth wrote:
Wow after reading the thread I am thoroughly convinced we may have a mafia/vampire kill on day 1- Veldril. Nice work spotting him Bill
+ Show Spoiler [veldril's posts] +
On October 11 2010 14:46 Veldril wrote:
Reporting in.

Many victims seems to die by a weapon, maybe most are killed by mafia? Or maybe the vampire mimic the mafia style? However, I'm not sure is this important or not.

Also, nice find Glasse. That's really helpful. But maybe we can get more clue from the first night post that make the mafia/vamp more visible.


On October 11 2010 15:03 Veldril wrote:
Hey, he's killed by a dagger not sword, lol. And if you buy enough knives then you can literally pierce a person at every spot.

On October 11 2010 15:08 Veldril wrote:
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On October 11 2010 15:04 Nemesis wrote:
On October 11 2010 14:50 Lucktar wrote:
On October 11 2010 14:46 oddo123 wrote:
Veldril's public profile:

My body is made out of swords.
I have a blood of Fire and a heart of Glass.
I have fought through countless battles.
Never once retreating.
Never once being victorious.
The bearer lies here alone, forging iron on the hill of swords.

But my life needs no meaning.
My whole life was made out of unlimited swords.


Regarding Incognito's death:
As he turned the corner around a bookshelf a dagger pierced his heart. As he died he could feel cold steel pierce his body from every direction, ending his life cruelly.

Body made of swords is the only thing I've found so far that seems to relate to this bit.

This is a quote from archer from FSN. Archer had the power to make a reality marble which twists the surrounding to recreate his mind.

In that reality marble, he can make any sword and as much swords as he desire hence it being called Unlimited Blade Works. It can be interpreted that "he could feel cold steel peirce his body from every direction" as having thousands of swords pierce his body.


Actually this is from his younger self one. But in this game I would like to be the one in my profile picture more, lol.

On October 11 2010 15:11 Veldril wrote:
Another thing is that are we too readily to blame Masq for the kill? The evidence is quite obvious but it could be too obvious sometimes. We need to be a little bit more careful about voting.

On October 11 2010 15:33 Veldril wrote:
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On October 11 2010 15:14 Nemesis wrote:
On October 11 2010 15:11 Veldril wrote:
Another thing is that are we too readily to blame Masq for the kill? The evidence is quite obvious but it could be too obvious sometimes. We need to be a little bit more careful about voting.

Unless you have someone else in mind, then please enlighten us. Right now, it is the best lead we got.


I don't have one specific in my mind right now (that's why I don't vote yet). But I have some idea...

Firstly, because the Mafia and Vampire knows who are on the same team with them, they would want to deflect the blame if a person in his team is suspected. A person who rashly accuses other person could be a Mafia or a Vampire, especially on Day 1. Note that this is not about presenting suspicious players' profiles. But it's more about looking at only one profile and making an accusation without analysis or with an over-analysis.

Secondly, I believe that there's old-school player here so we might be able to check their previous post first before making an accusation. Analyzing the old posts in previous games might become useful if you have time to do it.

On October 11 2010 15:40 Veldril wrote:
Oh and by Mafia/Vampire deflecting blame in the first point of my previous post is that if they are lucky, they could kill other side too.

For Mafia/Vampire, I think they don't care much about who dies in the first couple of days/nights as long as it's not on their side. Townie dies mean they have less choice to make in the next cycle and if they can force townie to vote to kill the other side, then that would make them even have more profit.

Oh and I don't say that Masq is surely not a killer. I just think we need to look further for other clues too before accusing him solely. But he's one of the suspects though.

(Maybe I need a ghost in the first night ).

On October 12 2010 00:43 Veldril wrote:
Oh well, I think I deserve to be suspected for protecting Masq. But let's be clear, I'm suspecting Masq too but I don't want to draw conclusion based solely on the story that the GM wrote. To quote what Dr.H written in the introduction:

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Clues:
During the day, people die. When people die, clues are left behind by the dastardly mafia (or monsters) that killed them. Clues may refer to a persons profile, name, and signature. They can be taken from anywhere and won't always be so obvious. Keep a sharp and open mind when looking for clues. Remember, clues often times hurt the town more than they help. Analyze but don't go overboard in trying to use clues to your advantage, you may just run yourself in circles. Mafia is a game of deception, guesswork, and manipulation before it is a game of clue analysis. Keep that in mind.


That means the clue might hurt townie like us too.

Now let me response to Bill Murray's post:

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On October 11 2010 15:39 Bill Murray wrote:
On October 11 2010 14:46 Veldril wrote:
Reporting in.

Many victims seems to die by a weapon, maybe most are killed by mafia? Or maybe the vampire mimic the mafia style? However, I'm not sure is this important or not.

Also, nice find Glasse. That's really helpful. But maybe we can get more clue from the first night post that make the mafia/vamp more visible.


This seems very forced. Maybe this, maybe that. I'm voting this guy. Fuck all the clue speculation, let's lynch Veldril over this post.


I like your post here. Yes, I was absolutely did a bad post and deserve to be suspected. But after reading Ver's guide, do you think I would make a same mistake that Misder made in the past? I think not.

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On October 11 2010 15:48 Bill Murray wrote:
On October 11 2010 15:33 Veldril wrote:
On October 11 2010 15:14 Nemesis wrote:
On October 11 2010 15:11 Veldril wrote:
Another thing is that are we too readily to blame Masq for the kill? The evidence is quite obvious but it could be too obvious sometimes. We need to be a little bit more careful about voting.

Unless you have someone else in mind, then please enlighten us. Right now, it is the best lead we got.


I don't have one specific in my mind right now (that's why I don't vote yet). But I have some idea...

Firstly, because the Mafia and Vampire knows who are on the same team with them, they would want to deflect the blame if a person in his team is suspected. A person who rashly accuses other person could be a Mafia or a Vampire, especially on Day 1. Note that this is not about presenting suspicious players' profiles. But it's more about looking at only one profile and making an accusation without analysis or with an over-analysis.

Secondly, I believe that there's old-school player here so we might be able to check their previous post first before making an accusation. Analyzing the old posts in previous games might become useful if you have time to do it.

LOL. YOU JUST ADMITTED YOU'D BUDDY WHEN MAFIA, AND YOU'VE BEEN DOING IT WITH MASQ. I DON'T MEAN TO BE FUNNY WITH HALLOWEEN-REFERENCES, BUT THAT WAS REALLY THE NAIL IN YOUR COFFIN MR VAMPIRE LOL


Could you please clarify how I admitted that I'm a mafia/vampire? Because I defended Masq? I guess your logic is something like this.

If someone is a mafia/vampire then that person would defend blame on his team mate.
If a person defend other person then those people are teammate.

Veldril defend Masq
Therefore,Veldril and Masq are team mate.
Therefore, Veldril and Masq are vampire.

If your logic is like above then I think you have made both formal fallacy and informal fallacy. With an experienced player like you, it is unlikely that you would make such fallacies, unless you ignore them to make an accusation on me with some agendas. Of course, I could be wrong but in that case, could you please clarify why do you think I team up with Masq please?

On October 12 2010 00:46 Veldril wrote:
Oh and Bill, I concluded that you are experienced player because you participated in many Mafia game before. You even hosted a game. I checked your post history.

On October 12 2010 02:12 Veldril wrote:
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On October 12 2010 02:02 Flicky wrote:
My general opinion on the Whole Masq thing is that he's not doing a great job of defending himself despite it only being day 1.

While it's possible it's "too obvious" to some, as soon as I realised it can't have been a Jack O'Lantern framing, the more it seems that's the only lead.

Seems likely to me and that a possible miss-lynch wouldn't be too much of an issue.


After spending time reading rules, I do agree that miss-lynch on the first day is not a big issue. We have 61 players here, with 22 reds. That we have 39 greens/blues. Considering that mafias and vampires each can kill up to 3 people (or have to kill three people I'm not sure, might need clarification on this), we can say that on the first day plus first night, there will be up to 7 people dead. If all dead are hit at townie, then townie will have 32 player left. And worst case would be 7 of either vampire or mafia are killed (only single side), which I believe is very unlikely.

On October 12 2010 03:14 Veldril wrote:
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On October 12 2010 03:09 CubEdIn wrote:
On October 12 2010 02:12 Veldril wrote:
On October 12 2010 02:02 Flicky wrote:
My general opinion on the Whole Masq thing is that he's not doing a great job of defending himself despite it only being day 1.

While it's possible it's "too obvious" to some, as soon as I realised it can't have been a Jack O'Lantern framing, the more it seems that's the only lead.

Seems likely to me and that a possible miss-lynch wouldn't be too much of an issue.


After spending time reading rules, I do agree that miss-lynch on the first day is not a big issue. We have 61 players here, with 22 reds. That we have 39 greens/blues. Considering that mafias and vampires each can kill up to 3 people (or have to kill three people I'm not sure, might need clarification on this), we can say that on the first day plus first night, there will be up to 7 people dead. If all dead are hit at townie, then townie will have 32 player left. And worst case would be 7 of either vampire or mafia are killed (only single side), which I believe is very unlikely.


Not that it's very relevant, but you couldn't get 7 kills on vampire or mafia since they know who they are and would not use their 3 kills on their own team. So tops would be 4 kills on one side and 3 kills on the other, which wouldn't be TOO bad. It would make the game fairly interesting, since all sides gain from killing the other sides, so it would still be fairly even in terms of Mafia vs Vampires, but the Townies would have the advantage.

As for masq, as I said in the beginning, it may not be the smartest thing to go on with such an obvious clue, but then again what other options do we have?
Really, no other clues come close to this in my opinion. If we find someone who's more likely, then I'd gladly change my vote.


Oh yeah, I miscounted and forgot about that. Thanks for a reminder and correction.

On October 12 2010 03:50 Veldril wrote:
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On October 12 2010 03:38 Bill Murray wrote:
On October 12 2010 02:47 Veldril wrote:
Vote on Bill Murray.


This is pretty damning. This is called an OMGUS. He is voting me because I have made a very good case on him, and he is pussysore about it. OMGUS = Oh My God You Suck. Veldril is standing in the grave he's digging, and it's a two plotter. One is for himself, one is for masq. Masq is mostly harmless, though, so lets get Veldril out of the way first.

I'd also like to point out these PMs I received and corresponded on with aztorisk:

aztorisk wrote:
I agree with you however, we won't be able to gather enough votes to eliminate veldril. If you can gather 2 more votes for veldril, I'll switch, if not, vote for masq so your vote does not go to waste.
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Original Message From Bill Murray:
all i'm saying is veldril has been both more obvious and more active. it is dangerous to leave him alive, whereas masq is mostly harmless and has 1-2 posts with no real substance.

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Original Message From aztrorisk:

I know, I don't want to vote for masq either but It wouldn't be fair for masq if we are biased because he is a SC2 pro.
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Original Message From Bill Murray:
i am more sure of veldril, plus iirc masq is good at sc2 so i'm biased

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Original Message From aztrorisk:
Theres already 4 guys on masq and 1 guy on vendril. We have a better chance of removing masq. You said that you don't care which one goes home.

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Original Message From Bill Murray:
vote with me on veldril then

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Original Message From aztrorisk:
hey can you vote for masq because we won't be able to gather enough votes for vendril. If it is masq, then we'll vote for vendril because he tried to save masq. However, if you keep your vote for vendril and he will probably not get enough votes to get lynched.:


The point of me posting this is that either two things will happen now:
A) Aztorisk switches to Veldril, fulfilling his promise to me through PM.
B) Aztorisk lies about what he said he would do.

If A, he is helping the town.
If B, he is breaking LAL, which is Lynch All Liars, and we should lynch him for not cooperating.


You can accuse me as much as you like. That doesn't refute my point I made earlier about you.

Oh and nice about forcing Aztorisk to vote me by publishing the PM.

On October 12 2010 04:00 Veldril wrote:
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On October 12 2010 03:58 NB wrote:
Talking about M or V... they will want to get rid of the most "reasonable" person who has the most "power posts" in the first night... So The ghost should be protecting the most influential person we having here.

hmm, how do you type in color? only mods can do that?


type (blue) message (/blue) but replacing () with []

Example:
blue
green
red

On October 12 2010 04:07 Veldril wrote:
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On October 12 2010 04:00 Bill Murray wrote:
On October 12 2010 00:43 Veldril wrote:
Oh well, I think I deserve to be suspected for protecting Masq. But let's be clear, I'm suspecting Masq too but I don't want to draw conclusion based solely on the story that the GM wrote. To quote what Dr.H written in the introduction:

Clues:
During the day, people die. When people die, clues are left behind by the dastardly mafia (or monsters) that killed them. Clues may refer to a persons profile, name, and signature. They can be taken from anywhere and won't always be so obvious. Keep a sharp and open mind when looking for clues. Remember, clues often times hurt the town more than they help. Analyze but don't go overboard in trying to use clues to your advantage, you may just run yourself in circles. Mafia is a game of deception, guesswork, and manipulation before it is a game of clue analysis. Keep that in mind.


That means the clue might hurt townie like us too.

Now let me response to Bill Murray's post:

On October 11 2010 15:39 Bill Murray wrote:
On October 11 2010 14:46 Veldril wrote:
Reporting in.

Many victims seems to die by a weapon, maybe most are killed by mafia? Or maybe the vampire mimic the mafia style? However, I'm not sure is this important or not.

Also, nice find Glasse. That's really helpful. But maybe we can get more clue from the first night post that make the mafia/vamp more visible.


This seems very forced. Maybe this, maybe that. I'm voting this guy. Fuck all the clue speculation, let's lynch Veldril over this post.


I like your post here. Yes, I was absolutely did a bad post and deserve to be suspected. But after reading Ver's guide, do you think I would make a same mistake that Misder made in the past? I think not.

On October 11 2010 15:48 Bill Murray wrote:
On October 11 2010 15:33 Veldril wrote:
On October 11 2010 15:14 Nemesis wrote:
On October 11 2010 15:11 Veldril wrote:
Another thing is that are we too readily to blame Masq for the kill? The evidence is quite obvious but it could be too obvious sometimes. We need to be a little bit more careful about voting.

Unless you have someone else in mind, then please enlighten us. Right now, it is the best lead we got.


I don't have one specific in my mind right now (that's why I don't vote yet). But I have some idea...

Firstly, because the Mafia and Vampire knows who are on the same team with them, they would want to deflect the blame if a person in his team is suspected. A person who rashly accuses other person could be a Mafia or a Vampire, especially on Day 1. Note that this is not about presenting suspicious players' profiles. But it's more about looking at only one profile and making an accusation without analysis or with an over-analysis.

Secondly, I believe that there's old-school player here so we might be able to check their previous post first before making an accusation. Analyzing the old posts in previous games might become useful if you have time to do it.

LOL. YOU JUST ADMITTED YOU'D BUDDY WHEN MAFIA, AND YOU'VE BEEN DOING IT WITH MASQ. I DON'T MEAN TO BE FUNNY WITH HALLOWEEN-REFERENCES, BUT THAT WAS REALLY THE NAIL IN YOUR COFFIN MR VAMPIRE LOL


Could you please clarify how I admitted that I'm a mafia/vampire? Because I defended Masq? I guess your logic is something like this.

If someone is a mafia/vampire then that person would defend blame on his team mate.
If a person defend other person then those people are teammate.

Veldril defend Masq
Therefore,Veldril and Masq are team mate.
Therefore, Veldril and Masq are vampire.

If your logic is like above then I think you have made both formal fallacy and informal fallacy. With an experienced player like you, it is unlikely that you would make such fallacies, unless you ignore them to make an accusation on me with some agendas. Of course, I could be wrong but in that case, could you please clarify why do you think I team up with Masq please?


my logic is more like this:

you said "as mafia, i would defend someone"
you said so AFTER defending someone
therefore, it is possible you are mafia with them

the fact you are squirming and attacking my logic, while calling me an experienced player claiming I have a hidden agenda (which I don't and it's a fucking straight out lie), is making me really really want you to be lynched.

You are pretty good for a newbie. Your logic is better than mine. My logic sucks. I don't give a fuck if my logic sucks, though, you have made many fucking mistakes. You are mafia. You are either mafia or a vampire, and I'm going to get you lynched.

Sorry.


Hmmm, fair enough. You have your points spoken and that's fine for me.

Well, maybe I jumped my conclusion that "experienced player = player familiar with logic" so if that's not true then my argument would be unsound. But since we really don't know is it true or not, we could just left it for others to decide.

On October 12 2010 04:21 Veldril wrote:
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On October 12 2010 04:16 orgolove wrote:
https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0Ap0Ejzlf165MdENWM3p1cHNOcDlnT0o4bjNUUFdVMlE&hl=en&output=html

So far we have a few people who have had several tells. These may not be conclusive, but just putting it out there:

jodogohoo-"what is mafia" pretended to be noob, changed vote multiple times 1st day
Masq-apart from profile matching the clue, immediately agreed with Veldril when defended
aztrorisk-strongly accused shmotz, switched to masq when others started, defended glasse when his hammer profile pic was mentioned
Bill Murray-happy to kill coagulation/masq, posted PMs with aztorisk (!!!) - untrustworthy?


And we can see that most of the votes are against these few. Now, I don't understand the following votes:
ShmotZ - 1 - KtheZ - (L-30)
seRapH - 2 - NB, coagulation - (L-29)
coagulation - 3 - seRapH, deconduo, jcarlsoniv - (L-28)


These votes can't be explained by the newbie logic of "he voted for me, so I'm voting for him"
What's interesting to note is, seraph accused coagulation, then NB and coagulation voted Seraph back.

Also, I haven't seen jcarlsoniv or deconduo post in this thread, only in the voting thread. These might be from the same faction- I dunno...


Deconduo has posted once.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=159453&currentpage=17#327

On October 12 2010 04:30 Veldril wrote:
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On October 12 2010 04:28 deconduo wrote:
On October 12 2010 04:21 Veldril wrote:
On October 12 2010 04:16 orgolove wrote:
https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0Ap0Ejzlf165MdENWM3p1cHNOcDlnT0o4bjNUUFdVMlE&hl=en&output=html

So far we have a few people who have had several tells. These may not be conclusive, but just putting it out there:

jodogohoo-"what is mafia" pretended to be noob, changed vote multiple times 1st day
Masq-apart from profile matching the clue, immediately agreed with Veldril when defended
aztrorisk-strongly accused shmotz, switched to masq when others started, defended glasse when his hammer profile pic was mentioned
Bill Murray-happy to kill coagulation/masq, posted PMs with aztorisk (!!!) - untrustworthy?


And we can see that most of the votes are against these few. Now, I don't understand the following votes:
ShmotZ - 1 - KtheZ - (L-30)
seRapH - 2 - NB, coagulation - (L-29)
coagulation - 3 - seRapH, deconduo, jcarlsoniv - (L-28)


These votes can't be explained by the newbie logic of "he voted for me, so I'm voting for him"
What's interesting to note is, seraph accused coagulation, then NB and coagulation voted Seraph back.

Also, I haven't seen jcarlsoniv or deconduo post in this thread, only in the voting thread. These might be from the same faction- I dunno...


Deconduo has posted once.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=159453&currentpage=17#327


Twice actually, and I will be picking up a bit if I can.


Ah I see, seems to miss your post.

Anyway, off to sleep now since it's night here in Asia.

On October 12 2010 19:02 Veldril wrote:
It seems most people are out for my blood now.

I feel like now when I try to defend or propose something up, most people will come up with even more excuses to vote me. It seems I really made a grudge with Bill Murray, since he's the most vocal to get me killed. I don't really understand why you would want me to get lynched so badly. I would shift a vote off you if you have explain the reason why do you think "defending others" would mean "Red defends Red".

Also, I feel that either me or Masq get lynched, it would not be a good situation for Townie or me at all. If Masq get lynched and turn out to be red, people would still suspect me and that could hurt townie since they would spend their focus on me being red and I would still get fried. If Masq turn out to be green, I don't think some people will let me go free without discrediting me, therefore I could not make impact in the future day/night.

However, if I get lynched today, it would be a game over. It may seems cowardice but I will have to vote for Masq to save myself. I just wish that Masq indeed turns out to be green.


chiming in after being suspected of being inactive / lurking
posting what appears to be helpful information, but in reality i suspect the reds are sacrificing veldril while getting their members to accuse him at the same time, so that when we find out veldril is a red, people will think his accusers are innocent. which they aren't!

On October 12 2010 20:40 Coagulation wrote:
in regards to the creeper and gravedigger roles.. are people aware that they are this role or do they just think they are zombies?

just pm the mods instead of cluttering

also here is a an updated list and point in order from lowest to highest amount of posts

CKSide 0
Therick 0
TheMunkey 0
Kuja900 0
Lexpar 0
AirbladeOrange 0
kenpachi 0
kingjames01 0
Neos 0
goldfishs 0
Zeraghul 0
chesshaha 0
KhrisKruel 0
l0st_romantic 0
grandmoose 0
Iankill 0
Yogy 0
Node 0
mptj 0
grandmoose 1
HeavOnEarth 1
LastArgument 1
SiNiquity 1
Hyperbola 1
MetalFace 1
Hittegods 1
Kpyolysis32 1
Flicky 2
ShmotZ 2
bumatlarge 3
~OpZ~ 3
Lucktar 3
Masq 4
d3_crescentia 4
zerroth 4
kitaman27 5
Glasse 6
southrawrea 7
Aeres 7
KtheZ 7
oddo123 7
YummyBlaBla 9
Nemesis 9
deconduo 10
jaminz 11
quickstriker 14
Veldril 17
pandain 18
annul 18
LSB 19
thegilaboy 20
CubEdIn 22
seRaPh 27
NB 30
coagulation 38
jodogohoo 41
youngminii 40
jcarlsoniv 43
aztrorisk 51
Bill Murray 56
orgolove 68
jodogohoo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada2533 Posts
October 13 2010 03:53 GMT
#1039
town is sooo fucked lol either we have town playing fucking for the other team, or the mafia i just rofl stomping us in the face. since my post shit has actually GONE WORSE... jesus christ

On October 12 2010 15:50 jodogohoo wrote:
i was actually going to recommend someone do a post count check =) so kudos to you lol

but right now we need to stop screwing around =(
if your a townie and your spamming like a retard "cough cough" you need to stop, not only are cluttering up the thread prevent discussion, people who want to help will probably be intimidated by the huge amount of posts and refrain from analysis..

we also need to get back on track with the clues and posting pattern. we have some suspects but we should question some more people and actually have them reply back. right now there is so much shit going on people can just dodge questions

so simply put, if you are a townie, stop fucking posting garbage, your are detrimental to the team.


On October 12 2010 16:08 jodogohoo wrote:
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On October 12 2010 16:01 jodogohoo wrote:
neos, yogy have voted for a lynch on masq
kenpachi, grandmoose have voted for a lynch on veldril

very suspicious in my opinion. i feel like they are newbie reds told to keep low by some more experienced reds but also told to vote for specific people early on as to not have to vote near the end, which is also suspicious. and they also voted for the people who may be on the opposing red fraction... or something @_@ not entirely sure if my deductions are clear, but the idea is there, hopefully someone will be able to take what i said and state it in a more concise statement


so perhaps if we switch the lynch targets to one of those 4 we might get some very interesting results


there are either some really fucking stupid townies that need to grow the fuck up, or we have some reds clearly fucking with us. Either way we need to kill these idiots whether or not they are town or red

examples would be BILL MURRAY, PANDAIN, ect... Glasse, idk.. just fucking everyone at this point

what does this all mean? the town is fucked in the ass so hard right now, we need bill murray dead regardless of his role
jodogohoo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada2533 Posts
October 13 2010 04:34 GMT
#1126
On October 13 2010 13:33 Lexpar wrote:
Bill Murray begging for ghost protection dosen't inspire any sort of trust in you or what you say. Even to a player ignorant of your sensationalism and numerous contradictions your begging is pathetic.

romania?
jodogohoo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada2533 Posts
October 13 2010 07:37 GMT
#1276
scapegoat as in his mafia friends sacrificed him*
which i stand by, cause right now all he is doing is TRYING to cause disorder, but its so obvious its entertaining =]
jodogohoo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada2533 Posts
October 14 2010 03:20 GMT
#1421
coagulation should die no matter what his role is. his posting in detrimental to the town.
jodogohoo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada2533 Posts
October 16 2010 00:31 GMT
#1759
On October 16 2010 09:20 Pandain wrote:
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On October 16 2010 09:04 Divinek wrote:
like are all of you so naive to think someone would openly protect a member of their own faction so blatantly?

it's TERRIBLE reasoning that almost never leads to a correct lynch. Who knows maybe we'll get lucky and lynch a mafia but the odds of veldril being vampire are sooo slim just based on how he acted about masq and the general consensus of everyone wagoning him so easily.

it's impossible for me to fingering anyone because you're all sheeping on this without looking at the grand scheme of things and instead trying LOOK for ways to paint him red -_-



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On October 13 2010 08:32 youngminii wrote:
On October 13 2010 08:03 bumatlarge wrote:
RE-READ THREAD: MASQ SHOULD BE LYNCHED

I must have misread somewhere on the veldril and masq debate, but going back, masq is the obvious lynch here.
1. He has clues pointing to him that seem a little obvious, but they are clear clues regarding something.
2. Veldril defended him, so we may have a lead if masq pops scum.
3. The vote lists will help us massively on fishing out opposing faction

Masq is my vote, and if hes scum, then we can sift through the current list of masq people for his opposite faction.

What if he isn't scum? Then we have absolutely no lead to go from. We'll be put off from voting Veldril and the vote lists mean squat.

I don't want to rely on clues (might be because of my lack of experience in clue based games), I'd rather play this out from behaviour. Veldril is much more obvious than Masq in behaviour.

Veldril defended him yet Masq voted for Veldril. What does this mean? I don't want to think about it.

Call me naive but I really don't think Masq is scum. I mean if I was new to this game and I had such an important role, I'd be defending myself (using crap arguments since I'm new) to death. Masq is not doing this. On the other hand, Veldril is. (refer to my earlier post)

I implore you to change your vote to Veldril, I don't care what these 'clues' say, if they're as obvious as the jack-o-lantern thing then all the other clues would be just as obvious. I'm pretty sure DoctorHelvetica isn't stupid enough to make one clue blindingly obvious and all the others vague as hell.

And yes, I am defending Masq and accusing Veldril.



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On October 13 2010 08:41 youngminii wrote:
On October 13 2010 08:37 CubEdIn wrote:
On October 13 2010 08:32 youngminii wrote:
On October 13 2010 08:03 bumatlarge wrote:
RE-READ THREAD: MASQ SHOULD BE LYNCHED

I must have misread somewhere on the veldril and masq debate, but going back, masq is the obvious lynch here.
1. He has clues pointing to him that seem a little obvious, but they are clear clues regarding something.
2. Veldril defended him, so we may have a lead if masq pops scum.
3. The vote lists will help us massively on fishing out opposing faction

Masq is my vote, and if hes scum, then we can sift through the current list of masq people for his opposite faction.

What if he isn't scum? Then we have absolutely no lead to go from. We'll be put off from voting Veldril and the vote lists mean squat.

I don't want to rely on clues (might be because of my lack of experience in clue based games), I'd rather play this out from behaviour. Veldril is much more obvious than Masq in behaviour.

Veldril defended him yet Masq voted for Veldril. What does this mean? I don't want to think about it.

Call me naive but I really don't think Masq is scum. I mean if I was new to this game and I had such an important role, I'd be defending myself (using crap arguments since I'm new) to death. Masq is not doing this. On the other hand, Veldril is. (refer to my earlier post)

I implore you to change your vote to Veldril, I don't care what these 'clues' say, if they're as obvious as the jack-o-lantern thing then all the other clues would be just as obvious. I'm pretty sure DoctorHelvetica isn't stupid enough to make one clue blindingly obvious and all the others vague as hell.

And yes, I am defending Masq and accusing Veldril.


I'm one of the people who stood by my vote for Masq since the beginning, and I noticed something, which may be a coincidence.

Everytime we zoned in on Masq, something happened to made ppl lose focus. First it was Veldril, then azo, and so on. All the while Masq is saying NOTHING, but voting.

And it's easy to go and defend Masq when there's way you'll be lynched before the end of day.

And I'm one of the people who stood by Masq from the beginning, maybe not as strong as you wanted him lynched but I never had my vote on him. When the Masq bandwagon started I didn't want to jump on because it happened out of nowhere and Masq didn't even make that many posts. Then the Veldril bandwagon started and I put my vote on him as a placeholder kind of thing.

Then Veldril makes a series of posts that are very, very questionable. Now I'm strongly against Veldril and I'm supporting Masq on the basis of his posting behaviour, not some silly clues that are unreliable at best. And no, it isn't easy to defend Masq even though I won't be lynched today. What's going to happen if he IS scum? I'll be put under suspicion or targeted by the other scum team since I'll be seen as 'Masq's ally'. Am I willing to get lynched for him? No, but I'm willing to bet that I'm right on this.



Show nested quote +
On October 13 2010 08:43 youngminii wrote:
ebwop

by the last sentence i meant that i'm sure veldril's a better lynch candidate than masq


add to the fact that like 75% of this game are new players, so of course they could be prone to mistakes. What, do you think vampires would just let their bretheren fall without any attempt of saving them?

lol if the town doesn't lynch you, one of the reds is going to kill you, your so damn obvious it's funny =)
jodogohoo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada2533 Posts
October 16 2010 00:39 GMT
#1762
don't worry man... i feel the same way in regards to the game =\ but im sure it will pick up soon enough once enough people are dead =)
jodogohoo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada2533 Posts
October 16 2010 00:51 GMT
#1770
On October 16 2010 09:44 QuickStriker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2010 09:40 KhrisKruel wrote:
On October 16 2010 09:39 KhrisKruel wrote:
instead of blatantly bandwagoning, you could make a short post of who you suspect or a gut vote. Veldril already has enough to get lynched


edit by way of post.

I mean who you suspected from 30 pages ago. Not alot has changed since then.

I stated this like 30 pages ago that I feel uneasy to that spreadsheet guy who always post with his spreadsheet and give information/evidence on others. It's just a feeling I have but in my opinion (assuming he didn't change thru the 30 pages), he's being way overly active to be just a townie and the fact that he's doing too much work makes me feel that he's doing it so no one can be suspicious of him ever....

But I could be wrong and he can really have so much free time like crazy and with REALLY good intention that most of us lazy folks won't do. Making a database of clues, posts, and everything instead of using that in real life professional jobs to earn 40k a year.

haha, as soon as he stops being helpful we can point all the fingers we at him, but as long as he is "actually helping" then it doesn't matter what team he's on, when the game nears it's end, if hes red hes not going to be posting anything helpful for the town.

also i think we need to look at the clues, not how relevant it is, but we could use some clue discussion...

also as a bonus, we know veldril deserves to die, but who else is bad? the red's are entire teams, not just individuals, we need more than just one person, we should tie suspicious people together and what not.

also post history analysis is really good, i saw it in a past mafia game and it was like having maphacks
jodogohoo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada2533 Posts
October 16 2010 01:06 GMT
#1772
On October 16 2010 09:58 BrownBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2010 09:20 Pandain wrote:
On October 16 2010 09:04 Divinek wrote:
like are all of you so naive to think someone would openly protect a member of their own faction so blatantly?

it's TERRIBLE reasoning that almost never leads to a correct lynch. Who knows maybe we'll get lucky and lynch a mafia but the odds of veldril being vampire are sooo slim just based on how he acted about masq and the general consensus of everyone wagoning him so easily.

it's impossible for me to fingering anyone because you're all sheeping on this without looking at the grand scheme of things and instead trying LOOK for ways to paint him red -_-



On October 13 2010 08:32 youngminii wrote:
On October 13 2010 08:03 bumatlarge wrote:
RE-READ THREAD: MASQ SHOULD BE LYNCHED

I must have misread somewhere on the veldril and masq debate, but going back, masq is the obvious lynch here.
1. He has clues pointing to him that seem a little obvious, but they are clear clues regarding something.
2. Veldril defended him, so we may have a lead if masq pops scum.
3. The vote lists will help us massively on fishing out opposing faction

Masq is my vote, and if hes scum, then we can sift through the current list of masq people for his opposite faction.

What if he isn't scum? Then we have absolutely no lead to go from. We'll be put off from voting Veldril and the vote lists mean squat.

I don't want to rely on clues (might be because of my lack of experience in clue based games), I'd rather play this out from behaviour. Veldril is much more obvious than Masq in behaviour.

Veldril defended him yet Masq voted for Veldril. What does this mean? I don't want to think about it.

Call me naive but I really don't think Masq is scum. I mean if I was new to this game and I had such an important role, I'd be defending myself (using crap arguments since I'm new) to death. Masq is not doing this. On the other hand, Veldril is. (refer to my earlier post)

I implore you to change your vote to Veldril, I don't care what these 'clues' say, if they're as obvious as the jack-o-lantern thing then all the other clues would be just as obvious. I'm pretty sure DoctorHelvetica isn't stupid enough to make one clue blindingly obvious and all the others vague as hell.

And yes, I am defending Masq and accusing Veldril.



On October 13 2010 08:41 youngminii wrote:
On October 13 2010 08:37 CubEdIn wrote:
On October 13 2010 08:32 youngminii wrote:
On October 13 2010 08:03 bumatlarge wrote:
RE-READ THREAD: MASQ SHOULD BE LYNCHED

I must have misread somewhere on the veldril and masq debate, but going back, masq is the obvious lynch here.
1. He has clues pointing to him that seem a little obvious, but they are clear clues regarding something.
2. Veldril defended him, so we may have a lead if masq pops scum.
3. The vote lists will help us massively on fishing out opposing faction

Masq is my vote, and if hes scum, then we can sift through the current list of masq people for his opposite faction.

What if he isn't scum? Then we have absolutely no lead to go from. We'll be put off from voting Veldril and the vote lists mean squat.

I don't want to rely on clues (might be because of my lack of experience in clue based games), I'd rather play this out from behaviour. Veldril is much more obvious than Masq in behaviour.

Veldril defended him yet Masq voted for Veldril. What does this mean? I don't want to think about it.

Call me naive but I really don't think Masq is scum. I mean if I was new to this game and I had such an important role, I'd be defending myself (using crap arguments since I'm new) to death. Masq is not doing this. On the other hand, Veldril is. (refer to my earlier post)

I implore you to change your vote to Veldril, I don't care what these 'clues' say, if they're as obvious as the jack-o-lantern thing then all the other clues would be just as obvious. I'm pretty sure DoctorHelvetica isn't stupid enough to make one clue blindingly obvious and all the others vague as hell.

And yes, I am defending Masq and accusing Veldril.


I'm one of the people who stood by my vote for Masq since the beginning, and I noticed something, which may be a coincidence.

Everytime we zoned in on Masq, something happened to made ppl lose focus. First it was Veldril, then azo, and so on. All the while Masq is saying NOTHING, but voting.

And it's easy to go and defend Masq when there's way you'll be lynched before the end of day.

And I'm one of the people who stood by Masq from the beginning, maybe not as strong as you wanted him lynched but I never had my vote on him. When the Masq bandwagon started I didn't want to jump on because it happened out of nowhere and Masq didn't even make that many posts. Then the Veldril bandwagon started and I put my vote on him as a placeholder kind of thing.

Then Veldril makes a series of posts that are very, very questionable. Now I'm strongly against Veldril and I'm supporting Masq on the basis of his posting behaviour, not some silly clues that are unreliable at best. And no, it isn't easy to defend Masq even though I won't be lynched today. What's going to happen if he IS scum? I'll be put under suspicion or targeted by the other scum team since I'll be seen as 'Masq's ally'. Am I willing to get lynched for him? No, but I'm willing to bet that I'm right on this.



On October 13 2010 08:43 youngminii wrote:
ebwop

by the last sentence i meant that i'm sure veldril's a better lynch candidate than masq


add to the fact that like 75% of this game are new players, so of course they could be prone to mistakes. What, do you think vampires would just let their bretheren fall without any attempt of saving them?


If you're playing scum properly, then yes, actually, this is a standard scum tactic (also known as bussing, or throwing someone under a bus). The fact that Veldril is new, and defended someone he logically shouldn't care for, makes it far more likely he made a newbie mistake than any other explanation.

too bad instead of politely declining to post meaningless squabble. He decided to clutter the thread and in general post garbage. If he was town, he wouldn't have done what he's done.
jodogohoo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada2533 Posts
October 16 2010 01:16 GMT
#1777
On October 16 2010 10:09 orgolove wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2010 09:51 jodogohoo wrote:
On October 16 2010 09:44 QuickStriker wrote:
On October 16 2010 09:40 KhrisKruel wrote:
On October 16 2010 09:39 KhrisKruel wrote:
instead of blatantly bandwagoning, you could make a short post of who you suspect or a gut vote. Veldril already has enough to get lynched


edit by way of post.

I mean who you suspected from 30 pages ago. Not alot has changed since then.

I stated this like 30 pages ago that I feel uneasy to that spreadsheet guy who always post with his spreadsheet and give information/evidence on others. It's just a feeling I have but in my opinion (assuming he didn't change thru the 30 pages), he's being way overly active to be just a townie and the fact that he's doing too much work makes me feel that he's doing it so no one can be suspicious of him ever....

But I could be wrong and he can really have so much free time like crazy and with REALLY good intention that most of us lazy folks won't do. Making a database of clues, posts, and everything instead of using that in real life professional jobs to earn 40k a year.

haha, as soon as he stops being helpful we can point all the fingers we at him, but as long as he is "actually helping" then it doesn't matter what team he's on, when the game nears it's end, if hes red hes not going to be posting anything helpful for the town.

also i think we need to look at the clues, not how relevant it is, but we could use some clue discussion...

also as a bonus, we know veldril deserves to die, but who else is bad? the red's are entire teams, not just individuals, we need more than just one person, we should tie suspicious people together and what not.

also post history analysis is really good, i saw it in a past mafia game and it was like having maphacks

In case you didn't notice. I stopped doing that shit after I got the 10th PM harassing me about it.

lol then until a clue points us that your a blood thirsty killer, i'll have tea with you anyday =)
jodogohoo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada2533 Posts
October 16 2010 02:08 GMT
#1786
On October 16 2010 10:33 Coagulation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2010 10:16 jodogohoo wrote:
On October 16 2010 10:09 orgolove wrote:
On October 16 2010 09:51 jodogohoo wrote:
On October 16 2010 09:44 QuickStriker wrote:
On October 16 2010 09:40 KhrisKruel wrote:
On October 16 2010 09:39 KhrisKruel wrote:
instead of blatantly bandwagoning, you could make a short post of who you suspect or a gut vote. Veldril already has enough to get lynched


edit by way of post.

I mean who you suspected from 30 pages ago. Not alot has changed since then.

I stated this like 30 pages ago that I feel uneasy to that spreadsheet guy who always post with his spreadsheet and give information/evidence on others. It's just a feeling I have but in my opinion (assuming he didn't change thru the 30 pages), he's being way overly active to be just a townie and the fact that he's doing too much work makes me feel that he's doing it so no one can be suspicious of him ever....

But I could be wrong and he can really have so much free time like crazy and with REALLY good intention that most of us lazy folks won't do. Making a database of clues, posts, and everything instead of using that in real life professional jobs to earn 40k a year.

haha, as soon as he stops being helpful we can point all the fingers we at him, but as long as he is "actually helping" then it doesn't matter what team he's on, when the game nears it's end, if hes red hes not going to be posting anything helpful for the town.

also i think we need to look at the clues, not how relevant it is, but we could use some clue discussion...

also as a bonus, we know veldril deserves to die, but who else is bad? the red's are entire teams, not just individuals, we need more than just one person, we should tie suspicious people together and what not.

also post history analysis is really good, i saw it in a past mafia game and it was like having maphacks

In case you didn't notice. I stopped doing that shit after I got the 10th PM harassing me about it.

lol then until a clue points us that your a blood thirsty killer, i'll have tea with you anyday =)



im 99% sure your a red.

<3 x 100
jodogohoo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada2533 Posts
October 16 2010 03:27 GMT
#1815
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jodogohoo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada2533 Posts
October 16 2010 03:29 GMT
#1818
On October 16 2010 12:28 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
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Please don't post like this.

alright =(
jodogohoo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada2533 Posts
October 16 2010 04:04 GMT
#1838
win for me =) good to see him dead regardless of his role
jodogohoo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada2533 Posts
October 16 2010 20:50 GMT
#1914
On October 17 2010 05:49 BrownBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2010 05:14 Coagulation wrote:
On October 17 2010 04:23 Lexpar wrote:
Wait what?



I THINK DRH IS A RED


OH SHIT THIS GAME JUST GOT BROKE WIDE OPEN.

FUCK BUT HE KNOWS ALL OUR ROLES, WHAT DO WE DO
jodogohoo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada2533 Posts
October 16 2010 21:42 GMT
#1927
I still think kenpachi is red. Why? because he hasn't posted in FOREVER
jodogohoo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada2533 Posts
October 17 2010 00:03 GMT
#1957
lol as far as im concerned, the towns is fucked. just look at the last couple pages, complete shit in terms of discussion.
jodogohoo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada2533 Posts
October 17 2010 00:06 GMT
#1960
On October 17 2010 09:05 Lexpar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2010 09:03 jodogohoo wrote:
lol as far as im concerned, the towns is fucked. just look at the last couple pages, complete shit in terms of discussion.


This helps.

double irony
jodogohoo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada2533 Posts
October 17 2010 01:10 GMT
#2002
As town, we have failed to set the atmosphere for this game. Instead of a cohesive unit analyzing clues and pointing out suspicious individuals, we pretty much just let a bunch of obvious reds post stupid shit, and also at the same time, let a bunch of reds be completely inactive.

And on top of that because reds are posting stupid shit and cluttering shit up, any real discussion is being hidden up and anyone that might have contributed is now holding back because simple put; there is no reason to post anything because it will just be ignored.

ALSO, because of the depressing atmosphere, town members also posting like shit. Thus... we are fucked...
jodogohoo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada2533 Posts
October 17 2010 01:12 GMT
#2004
On October 17 2010 10:06 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Your spamming is unacceptable Aztrorisk. This is your warning, next time you cross the line it's a modkill.

There is no good reason for a member of the town to spam. THUS, we should lynch aztrorisk, or pandain next. Granted they aren't killed tonight.
also watch this post get ignored.
jodogohoo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada2533 Posts
October 17 2010 01:14 GMT
#2006
yeah i give up
jodogohoo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada2533 Posts
October 17 2010 07:04 GMT
#2106
On October 17 2010 15:58 Nemesis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2010 15:55 annul wrote:
i am voting lucktar for the very obvious, almost masq-like clue-to-profile similarity.

i am not defending jodo, mind you, just that i think that obvious clues > suspicion at this point.

Yeah except maybe you forgot to read the part where pandain said jodgo was scanned by dt.

except pandain is a fucktard and he's wrong
jodogohoo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada2533 Posts
October 17 2010 07:05 GMT
#2107
ugh that was uncalled for... my bad for using such terrible language..
jodogohoo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada2533 Posts
October 17 2010 07:37 GMT
#2109
Not only are you guys bandwagoning for no fucking reason, you need to look at the fucking evidence in front of you instead of ignoring all the clues and all the posting patterns of other people. If i was red i would have just fucking never posted at all in this thread cause you guys don't give a fuck if people are inactive.

Also, since you guys all voted right away for no fucking reason, reds can now just put votes on whoever is on the opposite side of the bandwagon, thus we can't analyze votes for shit.
jodogohoo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada2533 Posts
October 17 2010 07:41 GMT
#2110
Hopefully in the next Mafia game I won't have to deal with close minded individual's that would rather wallow in their own ignorance.
jodogohoo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada2533 Posts
October 17 2010 07:41 GMT
#2111
Hopefully in the next Mafia game I won't have to deal with close minded individual's that would rather wallow in their own ignorance than think for themselves.
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