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On October 17 2010 15:09 Nemesis wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2010 14:53 SiNiquity wrote:First off, http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=Artanis[Xp] (can't get the link to work, because of brackets copy/paste it with the [xp] part included) isn't actually linked on the main page (just underlined) so you may have missed this. ![[image loading]](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b7/Mjollnir.png)
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In Norse mythology, Mjǫllnir (also spelled Mjöllnir or Mjölner, pronounced /ˈmjɔːlnɪər/ or /ˈmjɔːlnər/ in English) is the hammer of Thor, a major god associated with thunder in Norse mythology. Distinctively shaped, Mjöllnir is depicted in Norse mythology as one of the most fearsome weapons, capable of leveling mountains.
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Mjöllnir simply means "crusher", referring to its pulverizing effect. Mjöllnir might be related to the Russian word молния (molniya) and the Welsh word mellt (both words being translated as "lightning").
Describing the image
Drawing of a 4.6 cm gold-plated silver Mjöllnir pendant found at Bredsätra on Öland, Sweden. The original is housed at the Swedish Museum of National Antiquities.
Narrator Night 1
Qatol turned around to defend himself but was met with a hammer. The silver instrument bashed his skull to pieces and the tall figure laughed maniacally as Qatols head crumbled into dust. Narrator Night 2
He sat under a stoop, clutching his brown bag of liquor, hoping the rain would end soon. The drizzle quickly became a storm and soon lightning followed it. A single bolt of lightning stuck the ground in front of coag, illuminating a huge man in front of him.
Coagulation heard a sound like metal scraping against the ground and he looked to the man who was holding a huge hammer. Coagulation's eyes widened in fear but he couldn't run before the huge hammer struck the side of his skull, crushing his head into a fine powder. Seems like a clear cut case to me. Lynch Artanis. It's not the clear cut. Artanis only joined the game during night phase 1. That means none of the clues in day 1 could relate to him. As for this day's death, it could indeed point to him. But it could also point to the same person that day1's clue referred to with the lightning part added in as a red herring.
Hmm. That explains the discrepancy between Night 1 and Night 2 -- the "hammers" used in both seemed to have a different descriptive quality, and the dude Artanis replaced had no profile at all.
However, the recent post seems to allude very heavily to the Mjöllnir and thus Artanis. But good eye on the replacement bit.
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On October 17 2010 14:53 SiNiquity wrote:+ Show Spoiler +First off, http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=Artanis[Xp] (can't get the link to work, because of brackets copy/paste it with the [xp] part included) isn't actually linked on the main page (just underlined) so you may have missed this.
Wikipedia
In Norse mythology, Mjǫllnir (also spelled Mjöllnir or Mjölner, pronounced /ˈmjɔːlnɪər/ or /ˈmjɔːlnər/ in English) is the hammer of Thor, a major god associated with thunder in Norse mythology. Distinctively shaped, Mjöllnir is depicted in Norse mythology as one of the most fearsome weapons, capable of leveling mountains.
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Mjöllnir simply means "crusher", referring to its pulverizing effect. Mjöllnir might be related to the Russian word молния (molniya) and the Welsh word mellt (both words being translated as "lightning").
Describing the image
Drawing of a 4.6 cm gold-plated silver Mjöllnir pendant found at Bredsätra on Öland, Sweden. The original is housed at the Swedish Museum of National Antiquities.
Narrator Night 1
Qatol turned around to defend himself but was met with a hammer. The silver instrument bashed his skull to pieces and the tall figure laughed maniacally as Qatols head crumbled into dust. Narrator Night 2
He sat under a stoop, clutching his brown bag of liquor, hoping the rain would end soon. The drizzle quickly became a storm and soon lightning followed it. A single bolt of lightning stuck the ground in front of coag, illuminating a huge man in front of him.
Coagulation heard a sound like metal scraping against the ground and he looked to the man who was holding a huge hammer. Coagulation's eyes widened in fear but he couldn't run before the huge hammer struck the side of his skull, crushing his head into a fine powder. Seems like a clear cut case to me. Lynch Artanis.
Wow, nice analysis. That's pretty damning, and it definitely seems like the best link we've had to those clues. It's the sort of logic that Mafia mods love, too.
I looked through Artanis' posts in an effort to hammer (zing!) the point home, but nothing really stands out. He's only got 3 posts with anything resembling content, and they're mostly about his suspicion of CubEdIn. His last post is just:
On October 15 2010 06:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I'm going to do a few more, don't worry. All in due time.
...which he has yet to follow up on. Suspicious, but it's not enough to lynch on. That clue is damn good, though.
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i am voting lucktar for the very obvious, almost masq-like clue-to-profile similarity.
i am not defending jodo, mind you, just that i think that obvious clues > suspicion at this point.
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On October 17 2010 15:55 annul wrote:
i am voting lucktar for the very obvious, almost masq-like clue-to-profile similarity.
i am not defending jodo, mind you, just that i think that obvious clues > suspicion at this point.
Yeah except maybe you forgot to read the part where pandain said jodgo was scanned by dt.
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On October 17 2010 15:58 Nemesis wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2010 15:55 annul wrote:
i am voting lucktar for the very obvious, almost masq-like clue-to-profile similarity.
i am not defending jodo, mind you, just that i think that obvious clues > suspicion at this point. Yeah except maybe you forgot to read the part where pandain said jodgo was scanned by dt.
except pandain is a fucktard and he's wrong
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ugh that was uncalled for... my bad for using such terrible language..
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Pandain said he DT checked you to be a vampire. If he popped town, what incentive would he have had to lie about that? explain why he's wrong Jodog
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Not only are you guys bandwagoning for no fucking reason, you need to look at the fucking evidence in front of you instead of ignoring all the clues and all the posting patterns of other people. If i was red i would have just fucking never posted at all in this thread cause you guys don't give a fuck if people are inactive.
Also, since you guys all voted right away for no fucking reason, reds can now just put votes on whoever is on the opposite side of the bandwagon, thus we can't analyze votes for shit.
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Hopefully in the next Mafia game I won't have to deal with close minded individual's that would rather wallow in their own ignorance.
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Hopefully in the next Mafia game I won't have to deal with close minded individual's that would rather wallow in their own ignorance than think for themselves.
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pandain was green, he was not DT
pandain was under FoS the entire game pretty much
why would a DT claim to pandain?
i mean i dont really care either way, if hes red then good for us, really. i am not so sure that believing pandain is a good move here with no actual DT proof. some red could very easily have told pandain "hey i am a DT go lynch jodo"
fyi not defending jodo per se, just questioning the logic used, cuz i dont get it
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Spamming and whining is unacceptable. I'm giving you a modkill because you have been spamming this thread consistently. After a modkill for flaming and multiple spam warnings in this thread it is amazing to me that anything still needs to be said.
Jodogohoo the Grim Reaper has been modkilled.
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On October 17 2010 16:05 jodogohoo wrote:
ugh that was uncalled for... my bad for using such terrible language..
On October 17 2010 16:37 jodogohoo wrote:
Not only are you guys bandwagoning for no fucking reason, you need to look at the fucking evidence in front of you instead of ignoring all the clues and all the posting patterns of other people. If i was red i would have just fucking never posted at all in this thread cause you guys don't give a fuck if people are inactive.
Also, since you guys all voted right away for no fucking reason, reds can now just put votes on whoever is on the opposite side of the bandwagon, thus we can't analyze votes for shit.
On October 17 2010 16:41 jodogohoo wrote:
Hopefully in the next Mafia game I won't have to deal with close minded individual's that would rather wallow in their own ignorance.
Heh.
You're just as guilty of this as anyone else. Settle down. This sure as hell isn't going to convince anybody that you're innocent. Going through your own damn post history, I haven't seen you contribute anything remotely useful since page 89 -- and even then it was nothing remotely specific. Inactivity is a pretty damn useful measure for scumminess, but how about doing nothing but town bashing for the majority of your time here? You goddamn hypocrite, telling us off for wallowing in ignorance, when most of your posts are nothing but:
On October 17 2010 09:03 jodogohoo wrote:
lol as far as im concerned, the towns is fucked. just look at the last couple pages, complete shit in terms of discussion.
On October 13 2010 12:53 jodogohoo wrote:
town is sooo fucked lol either we have town playing fucking for the other team, or the mafia i just rofl stomping us in the face. since my post shit has actually GONE WORSE... jesus christ
there are either some really fucking stupid townies that need to grow the fuck up, or we have some reds clearly fucking with us. Either way we need to kill these idiots whether or not they are town or red
examples would be BILL MURRAY, PANDAIN, ect... Glasse, idk.. just fucking everyone at this point
what does this all mean? the town is fucked in the ass so hard right now, we need bill murray dead regardless of his role
On October 17 2010 09:06 jodogohoo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2010 09:05 Lexpar wrote:On October 17 2010 09:03 jodogohoo wrote:
lol as far as im concerned, the towns is fucked. just look at the last couple pages, complete shit in terms of discussion. This helps. double irony
On October 16 2010 09:39 jodogohoo wrote:
don't worry man... i feel the same way in regards to the game =\ but im sure it will pick up soon enough once enough people are dead =)
On October 12 2010 14:22 jodogohoo wrote:
mafia is probably eating popcorn lol
It's a tough game. A lot of people are new. We're far more likely to listen to something constructive than you going on a completely unhinged rant. You want the town to do better? Become the change you want to see. Get your head on straight if you want to save yourself.
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Welp, that was a little late.
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Man. So we lost another blue.
:/
I trust Pandein. Changing to HeavOnEarth.
On October 17 2010 03:00 Pandain wrote:I have a dtwho checked Jodo. Also, for heaven on earth, see my post here. Show nested quote +On October 13 2010 06:47 Pandain wrote:Yum Yum voting Heaven on Earth unless he speaks more. yum yum possible clues in profile include:"Break every bone in your face" bashed his skull to pieces "The cooler weather makes me unspeakably happy..." e tall figure laughed maniacally Note Qatol also died at midnight, so of course he would laugh manically since its cooler weather. his album in his profile is by a finnish death metal band. The second song is called "songs of the storm." this is only semi plausible. "Can you hear it? The wind is speaking. It's telling me to do bad things. Very bad things."
i really think thats a clue, i don't know whether it relates to him though. I think mad scientist should check whether that is a clue. "A coffin made of your deceptions" there are numerous references to the "oh my gosh, my mind are playing tricks on me", and then they end up dead. Also his only post is useless, as he just gathers up the posts of a person. On October 12 2010 19:29 HeavOnEarth wrote:Wow after reading the thread I am thoroughly convinced we may have a mafia/vampire kill on day 1- Veldril. Nice work spotting him Bill + Show Spoiler [veldril's posts] +On October 11 2010 14:46 Veldril wrote:
Reporting in.
Many victims seems to die by a weapon, maybe most are killed by mafia? Or maybe the vampire mimic the mafia style? However, I'm not sure is this important or not.
Also, nice find Glasse. That's really helpful. But maybe we can get more clue from the first night post that make the mafia/vamp more visible.
On October 11 2010 15:03 Veldril wrote:
Hey, he's killed by a dagger not sword, lol. And if you buy enough knives then you can literally pierce a person at every spot. On October 11 2010 15:08 Veldril wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2010 15:04 Nemesis wrote:On October 11 2010 14:50 Lucktar wrote:On October 11 2010 14:46 oddo123 wrote:
Veldril's public profile:
My body is made out of swords.
I have a blood of Fire and a heart of Glass.
I have fought through countless battles.
Never once retreating.
Never once being victorious.
The bearer lies here alone, forging iron on the hill of swords.
But my life needs no meaning.
My whole life was made out of unlimited swords. Regarding Incognito's death: As he turned the corner around a bookshelf a dagger pierced his heart. As he died he could feel cold steel pierce his body from every direction, ending his life cruelly. Body made of swords is the only thing I've found so far that seems to relate to this bit. This is a quote from archer from FSN. Archer had the power to make a reality marble which twists the surrounding to recreate his mind. In that reality marble, he can make any sword and as much swords as he desire hence it being called Unlimited Blade Works. It can be interpreted that "he could feel cold steel peirce his body from every direction" as having thousands of swords pierce his body. Actually this is from his younger self one. But in this game I would like to be the one in my profile picture more, lol. On October 11 2010 15:11 Veldril wrote:
Another thing is that are we too readily to blame Masq for the kill? The evidence is quite obvious but it could be too obvious sometimes. We need to be a little bit more careful about voting. On October 11 2010 15:33 Veldril wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2010 15:14 Nemesis wrote:On October 11 2010 15:11 Veldril wrote:
Another thing is that are we too readily to blame Masq for the kill? The evidence is quite obvious but it could be too obvious sometimes. We need to be a little bit more careful about voting. Unless you have someone else in mind, then please enlighten us. Right now, it is the best lead we got. I don't have one specific in my mind right now (that's why I don't vote yet). But I have some idea... Firstly, because the Mafia and Vampire knows who are on the same team with them, they would want to deflect the blame if a person in his team is suspected. A person who rashly accuses other person could be a Mafia or a Vampire, especially on Day 1. Note that this is not about presenting suspicious players' profiles. But it's more about looking at only one profile and making an accusation without analysis or with an over-analysis. Secondly, I believe that there's old-school player here so we might be able to check their previous post first before making an accusation. Analyzing the old posts in previous games might become useful if you have time to do it. On October 11 2010 15:40 Veldril wrote:Oh and by Mafia/Vampire deflecting blame in the first point of my previous post is that if they are lucky, they could kill other side too. For Mafia/Vampire, I think they don't care much about who dies in the first couple of days/nights as long as it's not on their side. Townie dies mean they have less choice to make in the next cycle and if they can force townie to vote to kill the other side, then that would make them even have more profit. Oh and I don't say that Masq is surely not a killer. I just think we need to look further for other clues too before accusing him solely. But he's one of the suspects though. (Maybe I need a ghost in the first night  ). On October 12 2010 00:43 Veldril wrote:Oh well, I think I deserve to be suspected for protecting Masq. But let's be clear, I'm suspecting Masq too but I don't want to draw conclusion based solely on the story that the GM wrote. To quote what Dr.H written in the introduction: Show nested quote +Clues:
During the day, people die. When people die, clues are left behind by the dastardly mafia (or monsters) that killed them. Clues may refer to a persons profile, name, and signature. They can be taken from anywhere and won't always be so obvious. Keep a sharp and open mind when looking for clues. Remember, clues often times hurt the town more than they help. Analyze but don't go overboard in trying to use clues to your advantage, you may just run yourself in circles. Mafia is a game of deception, guesswork, and manipulation before it is a game of clue analysis. Keep that in mind. That means the clue might hurt townie like us too. Now let me response to Bill Murray's post: Show nested quote +On October 11 2010 15:39 Bill Murray wrote:On October 11 2010 14:46 Veldril wrote:
Reporting in.
Many victims seems to die by a weapon, maybe most are killed by mafia? Or maybe the vampire mimic the mafia style? However, I'm not sure is this important or not.
Also, nice find Glasse. That's really helpful. But maybe we can get more clue from the first night post that make the mafia/vamp more visible.
This seems very forced. Maybe this, maybe that. I'm voting this guy. Fuck all the clue speculation, let's lynch Veldril over this post. I like your post here. Yes, I was absolutely did a bad post and deserve to be suspected. But after reading Ver's guide, do you think I would make a same mistake that Misder made in the past? I think not. Show nested quote +On October 11 2010 15:48 Bill Murray wrote:On October 11 2010 15:33 Veldril wrote:On October 11 2010 15:14 Nemesis wrote:On October 11 2010 15:11 Veldril wrote:
Another thing is that are we too readily to blame Masq for the kill? The evidence is quite obvious but it could be too obvious sometimes. We need to be a little bit more careful about voting. Unless you have someone else in mind, then please enlighten us. Right now, it is the best lead we got. I don't have one specific in my mind right now (that's why I don't vote yet). But I have some idea... Firstly, because the Mafia and Vampire knows who are on the same team with them, they would want to deflect the blame if a person in his team is suspected. A person who rashly accuses other person could be a Mafia or a Vampire, especially on Day 1. Note that this is not about presenting suspicious players' profiles. But it's more about looking at only one profile and making an accusation without analysis or with an over-analysis. Secondly, I believe that there's old-school player here so we might be able to check their previous post first before making an accusation. Analyzing the old posts in previous games might become useful if you have time to do it. LOL. YOU JUST ADMITTED YOU'D BUDDY WHEN MAFIA, AND YOU'VE BEEN DOING IT WITH MASQ. I DON'T MEAN TO BE FUNNY WITH HALLOWEEN-REFERENCES, BUT THAT WAS REALLY THE NAIL IN YOUR COFFIN MR VAMPIRE LOL Could you please clarify how I admitted that I'm a mafia/vampire? Because I defended Masq? I guess your logic is something like this. If someone is a mafia/vampire then that person would defend blame on his team mate. If a person defend other person then those people are teammate. Veldril defend Masq Therefore,Veldril and Masq are team mate. Therefore, Veldril and Masq are vampire. If your logic is like above then I think you have made both formal fallacy and informal fallacy. With an experienced player like you, it is unlikely that you would make such fallacies, unless you ignore them to make an accusation on me with some agendas. Of course, I could be wrong but in that case, could you please clarify why do you think I team up with Masq please? On October 12 2010 00:46 Veldril wrote:
Oh and Bill, I concluded that you are experienced player because you participated in many Mafia game before. You even hosted a game. I checked your post history. On October 12 2010 02:12 Veldril wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 02:02 Flicky wrote:
My general opinion on the Whole Masq thing is that he's not doing a great job of defending himself despite it only being day 1.
While it's possible it's "too obvious" to some, as soon as I realised it can't have been a Jack O'Lantern framing, the more it seems that's the only lead.
Seems likely to me and that a possible miss-lynch wouldn't be too much of an issue. After spending time reading rules, I do agree that miss-lynch on the first day is not a big issue. We have 61 players here, with 22 reds. That we have 39 greens/blues. Considering that mafias and vampires each can kill up to 3 people (or have to kill three people I'm not sure, might need clarification on this), we can say that on the first day plus first night, there will be up to 7 people dead. If all dead are hit at townie, then townie will have 32 player left. And worst case would be 7 of either vampire or mafia are killed (only single side), which I believe is very unlikely. On October 12 2010 03:14 Veldril wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 03:09 CubEdIn wrote:On October 12 2010 02:12 Veldril wrote:On October 12 2010 02:02 Flicky wrote:
My general opinion on the Whole Masq thing is that he's not doing a great job of defending himself despite it only being day 1.
While it's possible it's "too obvious" to some, as soon as I realised it can't have been a Jack O'Lantern framing, the more it seems that's the only lead.
Seems likely to me and that a possible miss-lynch wouldn't be too much of an issue. After spending time reading rules, I do agree that miss-lynch on the first day is not a big issue. We have 61 players here, with 22 reds. That we have 39 greens/blues. Considering that mafias and vampires each can kill up to 3 people (or have to kill three people I'm not sure, might need clarification on this), we can say that on the first day plus first night, there will be up to 7 people dead. If all dead are hit at townie, then townie will have 32 player left. And worst case would be 7 of either vampire or mafia are killed (only single side), which I believe is very unlikely. Not that it's very relevant, but you couldn't get 7 kills on vampire or mafia since they know who they are and would not use their 3 kills on their own team. So tops would be 4 kills on one side and 3 kills on the other, which wouldn't be TOO bad. It would make the game fairly interesting, since all sides gain from killing the other sides, so it would still be fairly even in terms of Mafia vs Vampires, but the Townies would have the advantage. As for masq, as I said in the beginning, it may not be the smartest thing to go on with such an obvious clue, but then again what other options do we have? Really, no other clues come close to this in my opinion. If we find someone who's more likely, then I'd gladly change my vote. Oh yeah, I miscounted and forgot about that. Thanks for a reminder and correction. On October 12 2010 03:50 Veldril wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 03:38 Bill Murray wrote:On October 12 2010 02:47 Veldril wrote:
Vote on Bill Murray. This is pretty damning. This is called an OMGUS. He is voting me because I have made a very good case on him, and he is pussysore about it. OMGUS = Oh My God You Suck. Veldril is standing in the grave he's digging, and it's a two plotter. One is for himself, one is for masq. Masq is mostly harmless, though, so lets get Veldril out of the way first. I'd also like to point out these PMs I received and corresponded on with aztorisk:
aztorisk wrote:
I agree with you however, we won't be able to gather enough votes to eliminate veldril. If you can gather 2 more votes for veldril, I'll switch, if not, vote for masq so your vote does not go to waste.
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Original Message From Bill Murray:
all i'm saying is veldril has been both more obvious and more active. it is dangerous to leave him alive, whereas masq is mostly harmless and has 1-2 posts with no real substance.
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Original Message From aztrorisk:
I know, I don't want to vote for masq either but It wouldn't be fair for masq if we are biased because he is a SC2 pro.
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Original Message From Bill Murray:
i am more sure of veldril, plus iirc masq is good at sc2 so i'm biased
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Original Message From aztrorisk:
Theres already 4 guys on masq and 1 guy on vendril. We have a better chance of removing masq. You said that you don't care which one goes home.
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Original Message From Bill Murray:
vote with me on veldril then
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Original Message From aztrorisk:
hey can you vote for masq because we won't be able to gather enough votes for vendril. If it is masq, then we'll vote for vendril because he tried to save masq. However, if you keep your vote for vendril and he will probably not get enough votes to get lynched.:
The point of me posting this is that either two things will happen now: A) Aztorisk switches to Veldril, fulfilling his promise to me through PM. B) Aztorisk lies about what he said he would do. If A, he is helping the town. If B, he is breaking LAL, which is Lynch All Liars, and we should lynch him for not cooperating. You can accuse me as much as you like. That doesn't refute my point I made earlier about you. Oh and nice about forcing Aztorisk to vote me by publishing the PM. On October 12 2010 04:00 Veldril wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 03:58 NB wrote:
Talking about M or V... they will want to get rid of the most "reasonable" person who has the most "power posts" in the first night... So The ghost should be protecting the most influential person we having here.
hmm, how do you type in color? only mods can do that? type (blue) message (/blue) but replacing () with [] Example: blue green red On October 12 2010 04:07 Veldril wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 04:00 Bill Murray wrote:On October 12 2010 00:43 Veldril wrote:Oh well, I think I deserve to be suspected for protecting Masq. But let's be clear, I'm suspecting Masq too but I don't want to draw conclusion based solely on the story that the GM wrote. To quote what Dr.H written in the introduction: Clues:
During the day, people die. When people die, clues are left behind by the dastardly mafia (or monsters) that killed them. Clues may refer to a persons profile, name, and signature. They can be taken from anywhere and won't always be so obvious. Keep a sharp and open mind when looking for clues. Remember, clues often times hurt the town more than they help. Analyze but don't go overboard in trying to use clues to your advantage, you may just run yourself in circles. Mafia is a game of deception, guesswork, and manipulation before it is a game of clue analysis. Keep that in mind. That means the clue might hurt townie like us too. Now let me response to Bill Murray's post: On October 11 2010 15:39 Bill Murray wrote:On October 11 2010 14:46 Veldril wrote:
Reporting in.
Many victims seems to die by a weapon, maybe most are killed by mafia? Or maybe the vampire mimic the mafia style? However, I'm not sure is this important or not.
Also, nice find Glasse. That's really helpful. But maybe we can get more clue from the first night post that make the mafia/vamp more visible.
This seems very forced. Maybe this, maybe that. I'm voting this guy. Fuck all the clue speculation, let's lynch Veldril over this post. I like your post here. Yes, I was absolutely did a bad post and deserve to be suspected. But after reading Ver's guide, do you think I would make a same mistake that Misder made in the past? I think not. On October 11 2010 15:48 Bill Murray wrote:On October 11 2010 15:33 Veldril wrote:On October 11 2010 15:14 Nemesis wrote:On October 11 2010 15:11 Veldril wrote:
Another thing is that are we too readily to blame Masq for the kill? The evidence is quite obvious but it could be too obvious sometimes. We need to be a little bit more careful about voting. Unless you have someone else in mind, then please enlighten us. Right now, it is the best lead we got. I don't have one specific in my mind right now (that's why I don't vote yet). But I have some idea... Firstly, because the Mafia and Vampire knows who are on the same team with them, they would want to deflect the blame if a person in his team is suspected. A person who rashly accuses other person could be a Mafia or a Vampire, especially on Day 1. Note that this is not about presenting suspicious players' profiles. But it's more about looking at only one profile and making an accusation without analysis or with an over-analysis. Secondly, I believe that there's old-school player here so we might be able to check their previous post first before making an accusation. Analyzing the old posts in previous games might become useful if you have time to do it. LOL. YOU JUST ADMITTED YOU'D BUDDY WHEN MAFIA, AND YOU'VE BEEN DOING IT WITH MASQ. I DON'T MEAN TO BE FUNNY WITH HALLOWEEN-REFERENCES, BUT THAT WAS REALLY THE NAIL IN YOUR COFFIN MR VAMPIRE LOL Could you please clarify how I admitted that I'm a mafia/vampire? Because I defended Masq? I guess your logic is something like this. If someone is a mafia/vampire then that person would defend blame on his team mate. If a person defend other person then those people are teammate. Veldril defend Masq Therefore,Veldril and Masq are team mate. Therefore, Veldril and Masq are vampire. If your logic is like above then I think you have made both formal fallacy and informal fallacy. With an experienced player like you, it is unlikely that you would make such fallacies, unless you ignore them to make an accusation on me with some agendas. Of course, I could be wrong but in that case, could you please clarify why do you think I team up with Masq please? my logic is more like this: you said "as mafia, i would defend someone" you said so AFTER defending someone therefore, it is possible you are mafia with them the fact you are squirming and attacking my logic, while calling me an experienced player claiming I have a hidden agenda (which I don't and it's a fucking straight out lie), is making me really really want you to be lynched. You are pretty good for a newbie. Your logic is better than mine. My logic sucks. I don't give a fuck if my logic sucks, though, you have made many fucking mistakes. You are mafia. You are either mafia or a vampire, and I'm going to get you lynched. Sorry. Hmmm, fair enough. You have your points spoken and that's fine for me. Well, maybe I jumped my conclusion that "experienced player = player familiar with logic" so if that's not true then my argument would be unsound. But since we really don't know is it true or not, we could just left it for others to decide. On October 12 2010 04:21 Veldril wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 04:16 orgolove wrote:https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0Ap0Ejzlf165MdENWM3p1cHNOcDlnT0o4bjNUUFdVMlE&hl=en&output=htmlSo far we have a few people who have had several tells. These may not be conclusive, but just putting it out there: jodogohoo-"what is mafia" pretended to be noob, changed vote multiple times 1st day Masq-apart from profile matching the clue, immediately agreed with Veldril when defended aztrorisk-strongly accused shmotz, switched to masq when others started, defended glasse when his hammer profile pic was mentioned Bill Murray-happy to kill coagulation/masq, posted PMs with aztorisk (!!!) - untrustworthy? And we can see that most of the votes are against these few. Now, I don't understand the following votes: ShmotZ - 1 - KtheZ - (L-30) seRapH - 2 - NB, coagulation - (L-29) coagulation - 3 - seRapH, deconduo, jcarlsoniv - (L-28) These votes can't be explained by the newbie logic of "he voted for me, so I'm voting for him" What's interesting to note is, seraph accused coagulation, then NB and coagulation voted Seraph back. Also, I haven't seen jcarlsoniv or deconduo post in this thread, only in the voting thread. These might be from the same faction- I dunno... Deconduo has posted once. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=159453¤tpage=17#327 On October 12 2010 04:30 Veldril wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 04:28 deconduo wrote:On October 12 2010 04:21 Veldril wrote:On October 12 2010 04:16 orgolove wrote:https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0Ap0Ejzlf165MdENWM3p1cHNOcDlnT0o4bjNUUFdVMlE&hl=en&output=htmlSo far we have a few people who have had several tells. These may not be conclusive, but just putting it out there: jodogohoo-"what is mafia" pretended to be noob, changed vote multiple times 1st day Masq-apart from profile matching the clue, immediately agreed with Veldril when defended aztrorisk-strongly accused shmotz, switched to masq when others started, defended glasse when his hammer profile pic was mentioned Bill Murray-happy to kill coagulation/masq, posted PMs with aztorisk (!!!) - untrustworthy? And we can see that most of the votes are against these few. Now, I don't understand the following votes: ShmotZ - 1 - KtheZ - (L-30) seRapH - 2 - NB, coagulation - (L-29) coagulation - 3 - seRapH, deconduo, jcarlsoniv - (L-28) These votes can't be explained by the newbie logic of "he voted for me, so I'm voting for him" What's interesting to note is, seraph accused coagulation, then NB and coagulation voted Seraph back. Also, I haven't seen jcarlsoniv or deconduo post in this thread, only in the voting thread. These might be from the same faction- I dunno... Deconduo has posted once. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=159453¤tpage=17#327 Twice actually, and I will be picking up a bit if I can. Ah I see, seems to miss your post. Anyway, off to sleep now since it's night here in Asia. On October 12 2010 19:02 Veldril wrote:
It seems most people are out for my blood now.
I feel like now when I try to defend or propose something up, most people will come up with even more excuses to vote me. It seems I really made a grudge with Bill Murray, since he's the most vocal to get me killed. I don't really understand why you would want me to get lynched so badly. I would shift a vote off you if you have explain the reason why do you think "defending others" would mean "Red defends Red".
Also, I feel that either me or Masq get lynched, it would not be a good situation for Townie or me at all. If Masq get lynched and turn out to be red, people would still suspect me and that could hurt townie since they would spend their focus on me being red and I would still get fried. If Masq turn out to be green, I don't think some people will let me go free without discrediting me, therefore I could not make impact in the future day/night.
However, if I get lynched today, it would be a game over. It may seems cowardice but I will have to vote for Masq to save myself. I just wish that Masq indeed turns out to be green.
claims hes thoroughly convinced we MAY have a mafia/vamp. What kind of sentence is that? Also tries to indirectly gain town cred for Bill, who I'm suscipcious of because he always seems scummy to me and the numerous references to drunkeness in the day post. Compare that with his quote: "Sobriety is a sin whose destruction ought be perused without abandon." In addition, he's barely posted at all, yet has voted. He's made one post.
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Oh wait. NOw that I think about it more, the dt that was talking to Pandain... lied lol. "dt checked Jodo as vamp" but he's been modkilled as a grim reaper, lol?
Ugh, I don't know anymore. Going back to Bill Murray's replacement.
glurio (or at least, his predecessor, Bill Murray).
The two confirmed vampires, bumatlarge and youngminii, were very visible in their defense of masq:
youngminii
On October 13 2010 08:43 youngminii wrote:
ebwop
by the last sentence i meant that i'm sure veldril's a better lynch candidate than masq On October 13 2010 08:41 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2010 08:37 CubEdIn wrote:On October 13 2010 08:32 youngminii wrote:On October 13 2010 08:03 bumatlarge wrote:
RE-READ THREAD: MASQ SHOULD BE LYNCHED
I must have misread somewhere on the veldril and masq debate, but going back, masq is the obvious lynch here.
1. He has clues pointing to him that seem a little obvious, but they are clear clues regarding something.
2. Veldril defended him, so we may have a lead if masq pops scum.
3. The vote lists will help us massively on fishing out opposing faction
Masq is my vote, and if hes scum, then we can sift through the current list of masq people for his opposite faction. What if he isn't scum? Then we have absolutely no lead to go from. We'll be put off from voting Veldril and the vote lists mean squat. I don't want to rely on clues (might be because of my lack of experience in clue based games), I'd rather play this out from behaviour. Veldril is much more obvious than Masq in behaviour. Veldril defended him yet Masq voted for Veldril. What does this mean? I don't want to think about it. Call me naive but I really don't think Masq is scum. I mean if I was new to this game and I had such an important role, I'd be defending myself (using crap arguments since I'm new) to death. Masq is not doing this. On the other hand, Veldril is. (refer to my earlier post) I implore you to change your vote to Veldril, I don't care what these 'clues' say, if they're as obvious as the jack-o-lantern thing then all the other clues would be just as obvious. I'm pretty sure DoctorHelvetica isn't stupid enough to make one clue blindingly obvious and all the others vague as hell. And yes, I am defending Masq and accusing Veldril. I'm one of the people who stood by my vote for Masq since the beginning, and I noticed something, which may be a coincidence. Everytime we zoned in on Masq, something happened to made ppl lose focus. First it was Veldril, then azo, and so on. All the while Masq is saying NOTHING, but voting. And it's easy to go and defend Masq when there's way you'll be lynched before the end of day. And I'm one of the people who stood by Masq from the beginning, maybe not as strong as you wanted him lynched but I never had my vote on him. When the Masq bandwagon started I didn't want to jump on because it happened out of nowhere and Masq didn't even make that many posts. Then the Veldril bandwagon started and I put my vote on him as a placeholder kind of thing. Then Veldril makes a series of posts that are very, very questionable. Now I'm strongly against Veldril and I'm supporting Masq on the basis of his posting behaviour, not some silly clues that are unreliable at best. And no, it isn't easy to defend Masq even though I won't be lynched today. What's going to happen if he IS scum? I'll be put under suspicion or targeted by the other scum team since I'll be seen as 'Masq's ally'. Am I willing to get lynched for him? No, but I'm willing to bet that I'm right on this. On October 13 2010 08:32 youngminii wrote:
What if he isn't scum? Then we have absolutely no lead to go from. We'll be put off from voting Veldril and the vote lists mean squat.
I don't want to rely on clues (might be because of my lack of experience in clue based games), I'd rather play this out from behaviour. Veldril is much more obvious than Masq in behaviour.
Veldril defended him yet Masq voted for Veldril. What does this mean? I don't want to think about it.
Call me naive but I really don't think Masq is scum. I mean if I was new to this game and I had such an important role, I'd be defending myself (using crap arguments since I'm new) to death. Masq is not doing this. On the other hand, Veldril is. (refer to my earlier post)
I implore you to change your vote to Veldril, I don't care what these 'clues' say, if they're as obvious as the jack-o-lantern thing then all the other clues would be just as obvious. I'm pretty sure DoctorHelvetica isn't stupid enough to make one clue blindingly obvious and all the others vague as hell.
And yes, I am defending Masq and accusing Veldril.
And all three turned out to be vampires.
In the same vein, Bill Murray even directly suggested having the ghost protect masq EVEN IF he's a red. lol...
On October 12 2010 12:59 Bill Murray wrote:
There is no or. They are both scum. He is trying to save his own ass, and I don't blame him whatsoever. Masq is way more harmless than Veldril.
I suggest this: protect him.
Mafia WOULD NOT suggest this, but we need to possibly keep him alive. The reason we need to keep him alive even if he's mafia is so we can be guaranteed to not let the other faction meet their condition.
Lynch Veldril, and if he's mafia, have our ghosts protect Masq, or vice versa
we can keep him alive to maintain a side. we need to play both sides.
Why else would he be so vehement about not lynching Masq, unless he knew masq was in his faction?
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On October 17 2010 17:35 orgolove wrote:Oh wait. NOw that I think about it more, the dt that was talking to Pandain... lied lol. "dt checked Jodo as vamp" but he's been modkilled as a grim reaper, lol? Ugh, I don't know anymore. Going back to Bill Murray's replacement. glurio (or at least, his predecessor, Bill Murray). The two confirmed vampires, bumatlarge and youngminii, were very visible in their defense of masq: youngminiiShow nested quote +On October 13 2010 08:43 youngminii wrote:
ebwop
by the last sentence i meant that i'm sure veldril's a better lynch candidate than masq Show nested quote +On October 13 2010 08:41 youngminii wrote:On October 13 2010 08:37 CubEdIn wrote:On October 13 2010 08:32 youngminii wrote:On October 13 2010 08:03 bumatlarge wrote:
RE-READ THREAD: MASQ SHOULD BE LYNCHED
I must have misread somewhere on the veldril and masq debate, but going back, masq is the obvious lynch here.
1. He has clues pointing to him that seem a little obvious, but they are clear clues regarding something.
2. Veldril defended him, so we may have a lead if masq pops scum.
3. The vote lists will help us massively on fishing out opposing faction
Masq is my vote, and if hes scum, then we can sift through the current list of masq people for his opposite faction. What if he isn't scum? Then we have absolutely no lead to go from. We'll be put off from voting Veldril and the vote lists mean squat. I don't want to rely on clues (might be because of my lack of experience in clue based games), I'd rather play this out from behaviour. Veldril is much more obvious than Masq in behaviour. Veldril defended him yet Masq voted for Veldril. What does this mean? I don't want to think about it. Call me naive but I really don't think Masq is scum. I mean if I was new to this game and I had such an important role, I'd be defending myself (using crap arguments since I'm new) to death. Masq is not doing this. On the other hand, Veldril is. (refer to my earlier post) I implore you to change your vote to Veldril, I don't care what these 'clues' say, if they're as obvious as the jack-o-lantern thing then all the other clues would be just as obvious. I'm pretty sure DoctorHelvetica isn't stupid enough to make one clue blindingly obvious and all the others vague as hell. And yes, I am defending Masq and accusing Veldril. I'm one of the people who stood by my vote for Masq since the beginning, and I noticed something, which may be a coincidence. Everytime we zoned in on Masq, something happened to made ppl lose focus. First it was Veldril, then azo, and so on. All the while Masq is saying NOTHING, but voting. And it's easy to go and defend Masq when there's way you'll be lynched before the end of day. And I'm one of the people who stood by Masq from the beginning, maybe not as strong as you wanted him lynched but I never had my vote on him. When the Masq bandwagon started I didn't want to jump on because it happened out of nowhere and Masq didn't even make that many posts. Then the Veldril bandwagon started and I put my vote on him as a placeholder kind of thing. Then Veldril makes a series of posts that are very, very questionable. Now I'm strongly against Veldril and I'm supporting Masq on the basis of his posting behaviour, not some silly clues that are unreliable at best. And no, it isn't easy to defend Masq even though I won't be lynched today. What's going to happen if he IS scum? I'll be put under suspicion or targeted by the other scum team since I'll be seen as 'Masq's ally'. Am I willing to get lynched for him? No, but I'm willing to bet that I'm right on this. Show nested quote +On October 13 2010 08:32 youngminii wrote:
What if he isn't scum? Then we have absolutely no lead to go from. We'll be put off from voting Veldril and the vote lists mean squat.
I don't want to rely on clues (might be because of my lack of experience in clue based games), I'd rather play this out from behaviour. Veldril is much more obvious than Masq in behaviour.
Veldril defended him yet Masq voted for Veldril. What does this mean? I don't want to think about it.
Call me naive but I really don't think Masq is scum. I mean if I was new to this game and I had such an important role, I'd be defending myself (using crap arguments since I'm new) to death. Masq is not doing this. On the other hand, Veldril is. (refer to my earlier post)
I implore you to change your vote to Veldril, I don't care what these 'clues' say, if they're as obvious as the jack-o-lantern thing then all the other clues would be just as obvious. I'm pretty sure DoctorHelvetica isn't stupid enough to make one clue blindingly obvious and all the others vague as hell.
And yes, I am defending Masq and accusing Veldril. And all three turned out to be vampires. In the same vein, Bill Murray even directly suggested having the ghost protect masq EVEN IF he's a red. lol... Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 12:59 Bill Murray wrote:
There is no or. They are both scum. He is trying to save his own ass, and I don't blame him whatsoever. Masq is way more harmless than Veldril.
I suggest this: protect him.
Mafia WOULD NOT suggest this, but we need to possibly keep him alive. The reason we need to keep him alive even if he's mafia is so we can be guaranteed to not let the other faction meet their condition.
Lynch Veldril, and if he's mafia, have our ghosts protect Masq, or vice versa
we can keep him alive to maintain a side. we need to play both sides. Why else would he be so vehement about not lynching Masq, unless he knew masq was in his faction?
I don't think pandain did DT check him. See my analysis on the previous page as to why I suspected Jodog (and why I believe Pandain did too). He bluffed a LOT in this thread. The more control he appears to have, the more likely it is people will rally behind him. My take anyway
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I'm of the opinion that we're best better off chasing inactives and non-contributors. Someone like Yogy, that's posted virtually nothing. Or maybe Iankill, who's awfully quick to jump on a bandwagon with nothing stating agreement or justification (already has a vote for jodoghoo), and very few posts at all.
Other people that have very little or nothing at all in the way of worthwhile posts:
Hittegods (just noticed: two people in the picture, related to pandain's death?)
l0st_romantic
MetalFace
chesshaha
Flicky
Neos
kenpachi
TheMunkey
zerroth (he has posted a bit, but man, could they possibly have less content?)
That being said, I think HeavOnEarth would be a pretty safe choice for a lynch. In the other mafia games he has played, he has at least posted occasionally. And Pandain's old clue analysis definitely has some plausible links. So for now, I'm going to vote for him.
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wow so one of our grim reapers was terrible -___- like wow terrible and the other had life come up and also got mod killed.
goooood this sucks. I'm loving that artanis clue though ill have to think about it while i sleep, well done sir
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