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Oh, and:
Veldril-fervently defended masq, then very defensive when he was accused
Er, if you guys are sure masq is also a culprit, there's another person that defended masq:
youngminii-voted for jdogohoo, defended masq
On October 11 2010 17:11 youngminii wrote:
I'm finding it hard to believe the Jack-o-lantern clue was actually referring to Masq. Maybe it's my lack of experience in clue-based games (I've only played a handful) but wouldn't that be too obvious/unfair?
reasonable enough? Hmm..
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I was wondering if we could get some clarification of some of the votes.
seRapH - 2 - NB, coagulation - (L-29)
jodogohoo - 1 - youngminii - (L-30)
ShmotZ - 1 - KtheZ - (L-30)
aztrorisk - 1 - d3_crescentia - (L-30)
These are the 5 votes I'm not so sure on. Any information will help us make a decision.
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Vatican City State1650 Posts
As I mentioned, seraph accused coagulation, then NB and coagulation voted for seraph.
not sure about jodogohoo either, but youngminii defended masq. Note that jodogohoo switched votes multiple times.
shmotz... no idea at all.
d3_crescentia: didn't really post much in the thread. But a reason to vote for aztrorisk: strongly accused shmotz, switched to masq when others started, defended glasse when the hammer in his pic was noted
so hmm. Multiple suspicions.
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On October 11 2010 22:26 jcarlsoniv wrote:Waking up to 10 more pages of this thread is awesome. =) After reading, I have my eye on people: Veldril Coagulation Masq When Masq was accused because of his profile picture, Veldril pointed out that we shouldn't accuse so quickly, etc. I see this as not a blatant defense, but a defense to get us to chill out while also keeping his head off the chopping block. Show nested quote +On October 11 2010 15:11 Veldril wrote:
Another thing is that are we too readily to blame Masq for the kill? The evidence is quite obvious but it could be too obvious sometimes. We need to be a little bit more careful about voting. Then Masq posts being grateful for some support. Show nested quote +On October 11 2010 15:16 Masq wrote:On October 11 2010 15:11 Veldril wrote:
Another thing is that are we too readily to blame Masq for the kill? The evidence is quite obvious but it could be too obvious sometimes. We need to be a little bit more careful about voting. Finally, someone with some reason. This could be some attempt at teaming, and should be kept in mind. Then, more deflecting, trying to get us to vote less rashly: Show nested quote +On October 11 2010 15:33 Veldril wrote:On October 11 2010 15:14 Nemesis wrote:On October 11 2010 15:11 Veldril wrote:
Another thing is that are we too readily to blame Masq for the kill? The evidence is quite obvious but it could be too obvious sometimes. We need to be a little bit more careful about voting. Unless you have someone else in mind, then please enlighten us. Right now, it is the best lead we got. I don't have one specific in my mind right now (that's why I don't vote yet). But I have some idea... Firstly, because the Mafia and Vampire knows who are on the same team with them, they would want to deflect the blame if a person in his team is suspected. A person who rashly accuses other person could be a Mafia or a Vampire, especially on Day 1. Note that this is not about presenting suspicious players' profiles. But it's more about looking at only one profile and making an accusation without analysis or with an over-analysis. Secondly, I believe that there's old-school player here so we might be able to check their previous post first before making an accusation. Analyzing the old posts in previous games might become useful if you have time to do it. Coagulation has been very sarcastic the entire thread, accusing himself with attempts at humor and long shot theories. Then he has been crying when people get suspicious of him. Not quite sure how I think about it yet. Masq is on my list because of his profile picture only. He has been relatively quiet, and I'm not sure how to use the clues from the murders yet, but I want him to be kept an eye on just for pure speculation sake. I would be comfortable lynching any one of these three. I think Veldril is my top pick, Coag being second, and Masq last.
I agree with this post fucking entirely, except I'd put masq as my #2 suspect and coagulation as 3rd, possibly 4th.
Very good post, though.
On October 11 2010 22:52 Glasse wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2010 22:49 Glasse wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On October 11 2010 15:56 orgolove wrote:https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0Ap0Ejzlf165MdENWM3p1cHNOcDlnT0o4bjNUUFdVMlE&hl=en&output=htmlNext Incognito: He stepped through the hallways, chasing the sound from corner to corner but never finding the source. As he turned the corner around a bookshelf a dagger pierced his heart. As he died he could feel cold steel pierce his body from every direction we see dagger, piercing from every direction (multiple hits) kingjames01 "Who would sup with the mighty, must walk the path of daggers." Veldril "weird anime guy pic, "Without love, we can't see anything. Without love, the truth can't be seen. - Umineko no Naku Koro Ni", "My whole life was made out of unlimited swords."" woa i did not even see that. I still think masq is the one though This kind of link veldril with masq even more though.
I agree.
Veldril and masq are most certainly on an evil team together.
On October 11 2010 23:07 Thegilaboy wrote:
Wow just woke up for work and I see I have some reading to do! I've got a few pages in from where I left off last night and it seems a few suspects have begun to emerge. As with all past mafia games we can't rely so strongly on clues, especially on the first night, but in time they will be helpful indicators of who is scum. I actually like BM's approach the best with post analysis, as that is where you get a real inside look at the person and see their scummy tendencies.
The voting list is somewhere to keep a close eye on as well. If some people switch their votes a lot it may indicate they are just trying to hop on the latest bandwagon for safety. The Masq clue seems pretty convincing right now, but I'm going to hold my vote a little longer after I get to finishing the last couple pages and letting the discussion go a little further.
I have to agree with youngminii on that clue analysis... it feels TOO EASY. That being said, masq's actions of chainsaw defending Veldril is pretty fucking scummy in and of itself. My only problem is if Veldril is buddying up to masq as town, and masq is really our jack'o'lantern. I wouldnt want to get rid of a MH on D1.
MH = mad hatter which is the same thing as jack o lantern in this game.
d1 = day 1
On October 12 2010 00:12 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Also, Orgolove, thanks for the spreadsheet. Whether or not your motives are good or evil, it will surely help the town quite a bit. Now let's just hope he hasn't fabricated any information... =X
I actually like this post. It is mildly PTW (poisoning the well), but you're not doing it to setup a lynch on orgolove whatsoever, so the intention here is good. I am fairly certain that orgolove is town-aligned, though, as are you. One cannot help but imagine the possibilities of someone being evil and feigning goodness, though.
@Orgolove, who are your top 3 suspects, based not upon clues, but upon posting?
On October 12 2010 00:33 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 00:29 Glasse wrote:
Instead of using the spreadsheet with possible false information you guys should use your brain BRAAAAAAINS.....errr sorry about that. I can't help it sometimes.
is this a softclaim? feels like you just claimed townie.
On October 12 2010 01:31 zerroth wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 00:43 Veldril wrote:
That means the clue might hurt townie like us too.
I don't know. This just makes me feel like he's trying to protect Masq and himself at the same time. If he wants to protect Masq instead drawing on another person's name into the discussion, wouldn't it seem that they would be on the same team?
You are like the 4th+ person to pick up on this
Why are there not more votes for Veldril?
If you make this statement, guys, you all need to back it up with a vote!
Veldril is much more dangerous than masq, because he is a slippery fuck (don't mean to ad hom, just indicating he seems to be good at squirming out of cases made on him)
On October 12 2010 02:02 Flicky wrote:
My general opinion on the Whole Masq thing is that he's not doing a great job of defending himself despite it only being day 1.
While it's possible it's "too obvious" to some, as soon as I realised it can't have been a Jack O'Lantern framing, the more it seems that's the only lead.
Seems likely to me and that a possible miss-lynch wouldn't be too much of an issue.
No, it wouldn't be too much of an issue with 61, but every little bit helps, and I'm pretty fucking sure Veldril/Masq will both flip as teammates (and be evil!)
On October 12 2010 02:34 ~OpZ~ wrote:
...Wow...game started fast. Coming into catch up, but don't expect too much right now. Gotta set some shit up, and I'm at the gf's house. Buuuuut besides that...lmao....
Typical day 1 OpZ durrr post
also, jodogohoo, quit parroting please.
On October 12 2010 02:36 deconduo wrote:
At the moment, coag/veldril/masq all look like decent lynches imo. No matter what they flip, we should get some nice information
Good summary of what I've been pushing
Day 1: lynch Veldril
Night 1: profit, ghosts need to protect me/orgolove/opz/jcarlson/town
On October 12 2010 03:41 NB wrote:
On October 12 2010 03:38 Bill Murray wrote:This is pretty damning. This is called an OMGUS. He is voting me because I have made a very good case on him, and he is pussysore about it. OMGUS = Oh My God You Suck. Veldril is standing in the grave he's digging, and it's a two plotter. One is for himself, one is for masq. Masq is mostly harmless, though, so lets get Veldril out of the way first. I'd also like to point out these PMs I received and corresponded on with aztorisk:Show nested quote +
aztorisk wrote:
I agree with you however, we won't be able to gather enough votes to eliminate veldril. If you can gather 2 more votes for veldril, I'll switch, if not, vote for masq so your vote does not go to waste.
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Original Message From Bill Murray:
all i'm saying is veldril has been both more obvious and more active. it is dangerous to leave him alive, whereas masq is mostly harmless and has 1-2 posts with no real substance.
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Original Message From aztrorisk:
I know, I don't want to vote for masq either but It wouldn't be fair for masq if we are biased because he is a SC2 pro.
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Original Message From Bill Murray:
i am more sure of veldril, plus iirc masq is good at sc2 so i'm biased
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Original Message From aztrorisk:
Theres already 4 guys on masq and 1 guy on vendril. We have a better chance of removing masq. You said that you don't care which one goes home.
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Original Message From Bill Murray:
vote with me on veldril then
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Original Message From aztrorisk:
hey can you vote for masq because we won't be able to gather enough votes for vendril. If it is masq, then we'll vote for vendril because he tried to save masq. However, if you keep your vote for vendril and he will probably not get enough votes to get lynched.:
The point of me posting this is that either two things will happen now: A) Aztorisk switches to Veldril, fulfilling his promise to me through PM. B) Aztorisk lies about what he said he would do. If A, he is helping the town. If B, he is breaking LAL, which is Lynch All Liars, and we should lynch him for not cooperating.
hmm, i thought we are not supposed to post PMs?
also it could be you and him making these stuff up, how should i judge a PM? -.-
the only thing i could safely come up after your post is that you and him have some connection...
the only connection I have with him is that he randomly fuckin pmed me
On October 12 2010 03:43 CubEdIn wrote:
I don't agree with the "we won't be able to gather enough votes on Veldril" thing.
It only takes 3 people to change their vote to tip the scales in Veldril's favor. And those who voted for Masq are probably suspicious of Veldril now as well.
I would hope so. I would rather fry the bigger fish first, though, so lets vote Veldril now, ok?
On October 12 2010 03:47 YummyBlaBla wrote:
Just voted for Veldril. Guess we need more to see if aztorisk changes his change.
Niiice.
On October 12 2010 03:49 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Thanks but I'll still modkill you if you spam too much.
wth
i hope you're joking
you told someone to quad post earlier
On October 12 2010 03:48 orgolove wrote:
Hmm Bill, I doubt many people will dare communicate with you via PM now that the assumption of basic secrecy has been compromized -_-
actually, I have been corresponding with someone via PM. If I trust them, they can trust me. If I don't trust them, as I don't trust aztrorisk, then they can't trust me. I had already stopped PMing with aztrorisk, and I honestly don't give a fuck who pms me or doesn't. I do my work in the thread. Do you have a problem?
On October 12 2010 03:50 Veldril wrote:
On October 12 2010 03:38 Bill Murray wrote:This is pretty damning. This is called an OMGUS. He is voting me because I have made a very good case on him, and he is pussysore about it. OMGUS = Oh My God You Suck. Veldril is standing in the grave he's digging, and it's a two plotter. One is for himself, one is for masq. Masq is mostly harmless, though, so lets get Veldril out of the way first. I'd also like to point out these PMs I received and corresponded on with aztorisk:Show nested quote +
aztorisk wrote:
I agree with you however, we won't be able to gather enough votes to eliminate veldril. If you can gather 2 more votes for veldril, I'll switch, if not, vote for masq so your vote does not go to waste.
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Original Message From Bill Murray:
all i'm saying is veldril has been both more obvious and more active. it is dangerous to leave him alive, whereas masq is mostly harmless and has 1-2 posts with no real substance.
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Original Message From aztrorisk:
I know, I don't want to vote for masq either but It wouldn't be fair for masq if we are biased because he is a SC2 pro.
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Original Message From Bill Murray:
i am more sure of veldril, plus iirc masq is good at sc2 so i'm biased
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Original Message From aztrorisk:
Theres already 4 guys on masq and 1 guy on vendril. We have a better chance of removing masq. You said that you don't care which one goes home.
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Original Message From Bill Murray:
vote with me on veldril then
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Original Message From aztrorisk:
hey can you vote for masq because we won't be able to gather enough votes for vendril. If it is masq, then we'll vote for vendril because he tried to save masq. However, if you keep your vote for vendril and he will probably not get enough votes to get lynched.:
The point of me posting this is that either two things will happen now: A) Aztorisk switches to Veldril, fulfilling his promise to me through PM. B) Aztorisk lies about what he said he would do. If A, he is helping the town. If B, he is breaking LAL, which is Lynch All Liars, and we should lynch him for not cooperating.
You can accuse me as much as you like. That doesn't refute my point I made earlier about you.
Oh and nice about forcing Aztorisk to vote me by publishing the PM.
What point? Your entire case was OMGUS and was a blatant lie.
Furthermore, I'm not "forcing" him to vote you. If he doesn't vote you, though, he is probably on your team.
On October 12 2010 03:57 orgolove wrote:
Bill, you mentioned before that you're "happy to kill coagulation/masq." Care to explain that?
I have already explained it. If you'd get your fucking head out of your spreadsheet and start reading the thread, you'd know my stance on that.
I'll reiterate: Masq has chainsaw defended Veldril, so we should lynch Veldril to see Masq's alignment.
Coagulation was squirmy as fuck when pressured, but I'm not completely sold on him yet. I'd be ok lynching him.
On October 12 2010 04:03 orgolove wrote:
Ehh, I don't know if we can trust Bill. He certainly has some good posts, but:
On October 11 2010 15:39 Bill Murray wrote:
I am fairly happy lynching coagulation/masq, and I am glad people are voting for them.
He has too much enthusiasm against these two. He's either a townie with a good purpose, or an opposing faction who knows they're not in his faction, so want to get rid of them asap.
I don't know if we can trust YOU. You have too much enthusiasm for a spreadsheet, and detracting from cases. What is the point in being negative if you're town? What is the point in not actually hunting scum yourself as opposed to riding my nuts? hmm?
On October 12 2010 04:14 jodogohoo wrote:
at this point veldril is just being a scapegoat, he was probably already chosen to be sacrificed =\ we need to focus on our next target
What is the point of this post? If he's scum, he's scum. Do you believe he's scum? I do.
We need to lynch Veldril.
[B]On October 12 2010 04:22 orgolove wrote: But really, Bill? You haven't answered your "enthusiasm" here: Show nested quote +On October 11 2010 15:39 Bill Murray wrote:
I am fairly happy lynching coagulation/masq, and I am glad people are voting for them. Are you really a townie, or are you just a member of another faction that knows these 2 aren't in your team, and will be glad to be rid of them?
Quit fucking speculating with your lies, and scumhunt
You are being negative and detracting from me, when all you are doing is poisoning the well
get off your ass and scumhunt
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sorry, orgolove, but you have me flustered
i am town so you need to look elsewhere
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FYI masq is not the jack o lantern
the mod said that clues do not point to ROLES only to things in peoples profiles and shit
so the jack of lantern picture and the jack o lantern clue does not mean he is the jack o lantern role
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https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0Ap0Ejzlf165MdENWM3p1cHNOcDlnT0o4bjNUUFdVMlE&hl=en&output=html
On October 12 2010 04:36 Bill Murray wrote:
sorry, orgolove, but you have me flustered
i am town so you need to look elsewhere
:X ok.
My top 3? I actually think other than his responses vs you, Veldril hasn't had other tells. But the ones he did reveal are very strong tells...
Next, jodogohoo - switched his vote how many times now? at least 4x. Also, he tried to get attention deflected from him by claiming "what is mafia"
Aztrorisk - he's a bat, going from accusing schmotz (without much reason) then converting to masq - I bet he'll change to veldril when he comes back
coagulation - very defensive, tried to bandwagon? made series of posts trying to "joke" about voting against him
and other masq defenders:
lankill - fervently defended masq, then very defensive when he was accused
youngminii -defended masq
But eh. I see so many tells that it's difficult where to begin. I hope there will be an overarching trend among people's votes soon so I can see if this kind of work is worth it. (and it's a lot of work)
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On October 12 2010 04:42 annul wrote:
FYI masq is not the jack o lantern
the mod said that clues do not point to ROLES only to things in peoples profiles and shit
so the jack of lantern picture and the jack o lantern clue does not mean he is the jack o lantern role
He is not necessarily the Jack-o-Lantern. It is possible, but the clues don't reveal anything about roles.
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yes, that is what i meant.
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Alright first large player game I've played so far, hope it will be fun. This game is very interesting so let's note a couple of things:
1.Town may actually be the best off at winning at this game. Why is this? Both of the red teams have victory conditions which only require the other enemy red team dead. Aka, vampires want mafia dead and mafia want vampires dead. The only problem is that Town needs to outnumber the vampires/mafia by the end.
What does this mean? Both red teams will be aiming for one another. Town should further that as much as possible. I am willing to be a go to man for any information a blue has. I will reveal it in thread, while letting the blue remain safe. Therefore, if I am lied to, I can reveal who it is, and if I lie, then we have a 50/50 chance at an anti town role, which is far better than what we have now. The funny thing is even if I was mafia, I would be attempting to get you to kill the vampires/mafia.
Note that in the scenario I am mafia/vampires, you wouldn't know my role, so I'd feel no threat from you. I'm leaving this open for suggestion, however.
2.Tonight we should have the mad scientist analyze the clue for the "knives in every direction" thing. We shouldn't analyze whether that is actually a clue relating to one specific person since we have a couple of guesses. Or, on the contrary, if we lynch Vendril then we might check something else, I have to see all the roles and everything. I'll look them over.
3. Try not to spam, if you want to answer something you can just pm them rather than clutter up the thread. I'm guilty of that alot so do what I say, not what I do. :p
4. Clues should be used as support for a lynch, not as the evidence. Clues by their very nature are very interpative, and should be taken lightly. If you have a good read on someone, you can be like "Hey, this clue could also point to him!" Of course, in situations such as day 1 when we don't really have that much to go on, clues will take a much bigger role. But this is something to keep in mind.
A related note to that is if you think a clue can point to someone, look if it can point to anyone else as well. Too often townies can become blinded to one piece of evidence and stuck on one person and fail to realize it can point to someone else as well. I do think the Jack O lantern is a clue, and in addition will give us much information based on how people reacted to Masq's lynch(?). For example, if Masq is mafia, and if The Mad Scientist turns up anything, then we have another sure hit.
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On October 12 2010 05:02 Pandain wrote:
Alright first large player game I've played so far, hope it will be fun. This game is very interesting so let's note a couple of things:
1.Town may actually be the best off at winning at this game. Why is this? Both of the red teams have victory conditions which only require the other enemy red team dead. Aka, vampires want mafia dead and mafia want vampires dead. The only problem is that Town needs to outnumber the vampires/mafia by the end.
What does this mean? Both red teams will be aiming for one another. Town should further that as much as possible. I am willing to be a go to man for any information a blue has. I will reveal it in thread, while letting the blue remain safe. Therefore, if I am lied to, I can reveal who it is, and if I lie, then we have a 50/50 chance at an anti town role, which is far better than what we have now. The funny thing is even if I was mafia, I would be attempting to get you to kill the vampires/mafia.
Note that in the scenario I am mafia/vampires, you wouldn't know my role, so I'd feel no threat from you. I'm leaving this open for suggestion, however.
2.Tonight we should have the mad scientist analyze the clue for the "knives in every direction" thing. We shouldn't analyze whether that is actually a clue relating to one specific person since we have a couple of guesses. Or, on the contrary, if we lynch Vendril then we might check something else, I have to see all the roles and everything. I'll look them over.
3. Try not to spam, if you want to answer something you can just pm them rather than clutter up the thread. I'm guilty of that alot so do what I say, not what I do. :p
4. Clues should be used as support for a lynch, not as the evidence. Clues by their very nature are very interpative, and should be taken lightly. If you have a good read on someone, you can be like "Hey, this clue could also point to him!" Of course, in situations such as day 1 when we don't really have that much to go on, clues will take a much bigger role. But this is something to keep in mind.
A related note to that is if you think a clue can point to someone, look if it can point to anyone else as well. Too often townies can become blinded to one piece of evidence and stuck on one person and fail to realize it can point to someone else as well. I do think the Jack O lantern is a clue, and in addition will give us much information based on how people reacted to Masq's lynch(?). For example, if Masq is mafia, and if The Mad Scientist turns up anything, then we have another sure hit.
Thanks a lot for this post, Pandain. It's a great guideline for the Mafia noobs like me. Appreciate it. =)
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In addition, it seems like the MAIN reason why we are voting Veldril is because of his support of Masq. Therefore, wouldn't voting masq actually be a better choice because
1.We have a more direct clue and more obvious towards him
2.If Masq is town, that lends a whole bunch of credibility towards Veldril
And what information do we gain from lynching Veldril? We don't even know if Masq is town/mafia if veldril is town, since Townies make mistakes and defend the wrong people all the time. But if we lynch Masq, we gain info on all the people who defended him and accused him based on his role.
Masq is a better lynch than veldril.
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On October 12 2010 05:08 Pandain wrote:
In addition, it seems like the MAIN reason why we are voting Veldril is because of his support of Masq. Therefore, wouldn't voting masq actually be a better choice because
1.We have a more direct clue and more obvious towards him
2.If Masq is town, that lends a whole bunch of credibility towards Veldril
And what information do we gain from lynching Veldril? We don't even know if Masq is town/mafia if veldril is town, since Townies make mistakes and defend the wrong people all the time. But if we lynch Masq, we gain info on all the people who defended him and accused him based on his role.
Masq is a better lynch than veldril.
All we have on Masq is the jack-o-lantern clue, and that he was happy when Veldril defended him.
Veldril, on the other hand, has defended Masq, tried to deflect focus, has been very outspoken, evaded suspicion, etc. I believe that Veldril is the more dangerous one of the two, and, as such, should be removed.
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Hm. As you mention, the reason we're voting Veldril is due to his interaction with Bill Murray, in which Bill seemed to be convinced that he's in cahoots with Masq.
Despite how defensive he is, I do understand that townies can defend the wrong people. Hmm. does anyone have a better suggestion? As it is the first day, we only have the clues to go on right now...
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On October 12 2010 04:31 jcarlsoniv wrote:
I was wondering if we could get some clarification of some of the votes.
seRapH - 2 - NB, coagulation - (L-29)
jodogohoo - 1 - youngminii - (L-30)
ShmotZ - 1 - KtheZ - (L-30)
aztrorisk - 1 - d3_crescentia - (L-30)
These are the 5 votes I'm not so sure on. Any information will help us make a decision.
as you check my history post in this thread, you will find out the reason y i voted for seRapH:
as VERY early after the game start, he already start accusing people and vote for somebody. This indicate that he already know his "family" and know who are the people he can randomly kill. Again, thats was very early game.
I also warned people that the first person i seen accusing some body will be the one i inspected first and that warned, i believe, was b4 i vote for seRapH.
Most likely i will change my vote into jodogohoo and i wont be bother explain myself again. I have been inspecting him and posted my inspection in this thread, if you care to find out, check my post history.
I see a LOT of "power posts" recently... interesting to notice on the logic that if masq is Mafia/Vamp, he will most likely will survive after night1. What if there is a team kill to get rid of him to avoid inspection on people protected him?
Also the logic of townie has the biggest chance to win is absurd. Statisticly its depend on what are the roles of people who are having "power post" in this thread. "Power post" is a post which has a clear logic which can change people thinking if they read it. The google spreadsheet is also i type of power post that we should keep in mind.
I suggest we each make a "power rank" chart of our own to see who are the most influential in the thread and beware of that person...
Dang! too much "power posts" make me confused >.< T_T
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But jcarl, it may be that's just the way he plays the game.
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NB, coagulation was quite defensive when he was first accused. He tried to bandwagon at the first opportunity, and when he was being pressured, made series of posts trying to "joke" about voting against him. I think seraph was not necessarily accusing from the start, it was just that he caught onto this fact.
Now, I wonder why your votes are in agreement with coagulation - is there a connection between you two?
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What I mean is, most people would not immediately vote for a guy just based on one suspicion. But indeed you were actually the one to cast your vote on him just two hours or so after the game started, based on that single suspicion. (??)
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On October 12 2010 05:18 orgolove wrote:
But jcarl, it may be that's just the way he plays the game.
Of course this is possible. There are oh so many different possible scenarios in this game, and Day 1 is just full of uncertainty.
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On October 12 2010 05:14 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 05:08 Pandain wrote:
In addition, it seems like the MAIN reason why we are voting Veldril is because of his support of Masq. Therefore, wouldn't voting masq actually be a better choice because
1.We have a more direct clue and more obvious towards him
2.If Masq is town, that lends a whole bunch of credibility towards Veldril
And what information do we gain from lynching Veldril? We don't even know if Masq is town/mafia if veldril is town, since Townies make mistakes and defend the wrong people all the time. But if we lynch Masq, we gain info on all the people who defended him and accused him based on his role.
Masq is a better lynch than veldril. All we have on Masq is the jack-o-lantern clue, and that he was happy when Veldril defended him. Veldril, on the other hand, has defended Masq, tried to deflect focus, has been very outspoken, evaded suspicion, etc. I believe that Veldril is the more dangerous one of the two, and, as such, should be removed.
And if Masq turns out to be town, then Veldril will come out looking very pro town, no?
What's bad with an outspoken person anyway, gives more of a chance for slip ups. This whole post really gives nothing on "why" veldril is mafia. I want someone to give me a good paragraph or more why Veldril is mafia without using the reason "Because Masq is mafia and he defended him". Right now town needs to rely on logic, and intuition. A mob that does whatever's "the right thing" right now(aka, popular lynch) will not last long.
Unfortunately, Masq hasn't done anything to help himself at all. All of his posts have been defending his picture, and they haven't been good either. I'm unsure right now.
But what makes me really intrigued is how vehement BM is in wanting to get him lynched.
Bill Murray, wouldn't lynching Masq be a better choice, since we will find more info and know if Veldril is mafia/town(at least a better chance of it, nothings certain.)
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