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On October 12 2010 03:09 CubEdIn wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 02:12 Veldril wrote:On October 12 2010 02:02 Flicky wrote:
My general opinion on the Whole Masq thing is that he's not doing a great job of defending himself despite it only being day 1.
While it's possible it's "too obvious" to some, as soon as I realised it can't have been a Jack O'Lantern framing, the more it seems that's the only lead.
Seems likely to me and that a possible miss-lynch wouldn't be too much of an issue. After spending time reading rules, I do agree that miss-lynch on the first day is not a big issue. We have 61 players here, with 22 reds. That we have 39 greens/blues. Considering that mafias and vampires each can kill up to 3 people (or have to kill three people I'm not sure, might need clarification on this), we can say that on the first day plus first night, there will be up to 7 people dead. If all dead are hit at townie, then townie will have 32 player left. And worst case would be 7 of either vampire or mafia are killed (only single side), which I believe is very unlikely. Not that it's very relevant, but you couldn't get 7 kills on vampire or mafia since they know who they are and would not use their 3 kills on their own team. So tops would be 4 kills on one side and 3 kills on the other, which wouldn't be TOO bad. It would make the game fairly interesting, since all sides gain from killing the other sides, so it would still be fairly even in terms of Mafia vs Vampires, but the Townies would have the advantage. As for masq, as I said in the beginning, it may not be the smartest thing to go on with such an obvious clue, but then again what other options do we have? Really, no other clues come close to this in my opinion. If we find someone who's more likely, then I'd gladly change my vote.
We can't only look at clues. Reading into posting manner will reveal a lot more than what we can gather from Day 1 clues.
Veldril is evading. Whether or not he is in cahoots, I have no idea, but there is definitely something fishy about him. His posts are somewhat passive submissive: not necessarily laying the blame so as not to make enemies, but still trying to get the target off his head. I think we are better off taking someone out who is vehemently trying to escape/blend in than we are off of some vague clue conjecture.
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WHO INVESTIGATE THE INVESTIGATORS?
I am considering between seRapH, jodogohoo and Veldril
If masq is truely the Jack-o-lantern, its "ok" to ignore him. Would not take risk only killing 1 blue since 1 blue life is SO MUCH worth compare to killing jack...
Reason i choose those 3 people:
seRapH: check my previous posts
jodogohoo: He changed his vote ALOT. The best way to explain this is that he likes to "agree" with people on lynching somebody. This means that he, in fact, does not value the "risk" that we have to take when lynching somebody or in another way to say: "He seem to know who to avoid killing". Most of his posts contain very "simple" logic and mostly "agreeing" with someone else on lynching people. If i have to change my vote right now, i would vote for him. I denied the possibility of him being a noob since his post counts is 2k...
Veldril: His biggest mistake was try to protect masq VERY early on. If that didnt cause enough attention toward this couple, Masq went a head and "agree" with Veldril's protection. => What this means is that instead of voting for masq, vote for Veldril is a MUCH safer option comparatively since Veldril has much more "power posts" than Masq. If both Masq and Veldril have equal chance of being mafia/vamp, why dont we remove the "harmful" one b4 the "harmless" one?
Now im off to do homework >.<... but i will replay if you have any questions toward my logic :-)
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On October 12 2010 03:28 NB wrote:
WHO INVESTIGATE THE INVESTIGATORS?
I am considering between seRapH, jodogohoo and Veldril
If masq is truely the Jack-o-lantern, its "ok" to ignore him. Would not take risk only killing 1 blue since 1 blue life is SO MUCH worth compare to killing jack...
Reason i choose those 3 people:
seRapH: check my previous posts
jodogohoo: He changed his vote ALOT. The best way to explain this is that he likes to "agree" with people on lynching somebody. This means that he, in fact, does not value the "risk" that we have to take when lynching somebody or in another way to say: "He seem to know who to avoid killing". Most of his posts contain very "simple" logic and mostly "agreeing" with someone else on lynching people. If i have to change my vote right now, i would vote for him. I denied the possibility of him being a noob since his post counts is 2k...
Veldril: His biggest mistake was try to protect masq VERY early on. If that didnt cause enough attention toward this couple, Masq went a head and "agree" with Veldril's protection. => What this means is that instead of voting for masq, vote for Veldril is a MUCH safer option comparatively since Veldril has much more "power posts" than Masq. If both Masq and Veldril have equal chance of being mafia/vamp, why dont we remove the "harmful" one b4 the "harmless" one?
Now im off to do homework >.<... but i will replay if you have any questions toward my logic :-)
The Jack-o-lantern hint is a clue. I don't think it means that the clue refers to the blue role.
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On October 12 2010 03:33 YummyBlaBla wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 03:28 NB wrote:
WHO INVESTIGATE THE INVESTIGATORS?
I am considering between seRapH, jodogohoo and Veldril
If masq is truely the Jack-o-lantern, its "ok" to ignore him. Would not take risk only killing 1 blue since 1 blue life is SO MUCH worth compare to killing jack...
Reason i choose those 3 people:
seRapH: check my previous posts
jodogohoo: He changed his vote ALOT. The best way to explain this is that he likes to "agree" with people on lynching somebody. This means that he, in fact, does not value the "risk" that we have to take when lynching somebody or in another way to say: "He seem to know who to avoid killing". Most of his posts contain very "simple" logic and mostly "agreeing" with someone else on lynching people. If i have to change my vote right now, i would vote for him. I denied the possibility of him being a noob since his post counts is 2k...
Veldril: His biggest mistake was try to protect masq VERY early on. If that didnt cause enough attention toward this couple, Masq went a head and "agree" with Veldril's protection. => What this means is that instead of voting for masq, vote for Veldril is a MUCH safer option comparatively since Veldril has much more "power posts" than Masq. If both Masq and Veldril have equal chance of being mafia/vamp, why dont we remove the "harmful" one b4 the "harmless" one?
Now im off to do homework >.<... but i will replay if you have any questions toward my logic :-) The Jack-o-lantern hint is a clue. I don't think it means that the clue refers to the blue role.
It does not refer to the blue role. Dr. H has already said so.
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^ Interesting points off NB.
I also noticed that jodogohoo changed votes constantly, was wondering why that is, I didn't really think about the fact that it's ok to go with the flow if you know who NOT to vote for, but if that's the case, it means that everyone he voted for are not from his 'family' (assuming he's either M or V), which brings us back to square one, sort-of.
It could also mean that, if all NB saying proves to be true, if Veldril and Masq are in the same team, then jodogohoo is on the other (example: if vel and masq are mafia, jodogohoo is vamp).
Basically, as time progresses, I think I'll change my vote not to who I think is more likely to be Mafia or Vampire, but to whom seems to "drag us down" the most. Someone who constantly changes his mind with every few posts may not be so helpful later on.
...I'm still not changing my vote though, not yet.
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On October 12 2010 02:47 Veldril wrote:
Vote on Bill Murray.
This is pretty damning. This is called an OMGUS. He is voting me because I have made a very good case on him, and he is pussysore about it. OMGUS = Oh My God You Suck. Veldril is standing in the grave he's digging, and it's a two plotter. One is for himself, one is for masq. Masq is mostly harmless, though, so lets get Veldril out of the way first.
I'd also like to point out these PMs I received and corresponded on with aztorisk:
aztorisk wrote:
I agree with you however, we won't be able to gather enough votes to eliminate veldril. If you can gather 2 more votes for veldril, I'll switch, if not, vote for masq so your vote does not go to waste.
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Original Message From Bill Murray:
all i'm saying is veldril has been both more obvious and more active. it is dangerous to leave him alive, whereas masq is mostly harmless and has 1-2 posts with no real substance.
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Original Message From aztrorisk:
I know, I don't want to vote for masq either but It wouldn't be fair for masq if we are biased because he is a SC2 pro.
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Original Message From Bill Murray:
i am more sure of veldril, plus iirc masq is good at sc2 so i'm biased
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Original Message From aztrorisk:
Theres already 4 guys on masq and 1 guy on vendril. We have a better chance of removing masq. You said that you don't care which one goes home.
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Original Message From Bill Murray:
vote with me on veldril then
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Original Message From aztrorisk:
hey can you vote for masq because we won't be able to gather enough votes for vendril. If it is masq, then we'll vote for vendril because he tried to save masq. However, if you keep your vote for vendril and he will probably not get enough votes to get lynched.:
The point of me posting this is that either two things will happen now:
A) Aztorisk switches to Veldril, fulfilling his promise to me through PM.
B) Aztorisk lies about what he said he would do.
If A, he is helping the town.
If B, he is breaking LAL, which is Lynch All Liars, and we should lynch him for not cooperating.
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On October 12 2010 03:38 Bill Murray wrote:This is pretty damning. This is called an OMGUS. He is voting me because I have made a very good case on him, and he is pussysore about it. OMGUS = Oh My God You Suck. Veldril is standing in the grave he's digging, and it's a two plotter. One is for himself, one is for masq. Masq is mostly harmless, though, so lets get Veldril out of the way first. I'd also like to point out these PMs I received and corresponded on with aztorisk:Show nested quote +
aztorisk wrote:
I agree with you however, we won't be able to gather enough votes to eliminate veldril. If you can gather 2 more votes for veldril, I'll switch, if not, vote for masq so your vote does not go to waste.
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Original Message From Bill Murray:
all i'm saying is veldril has been both more obvious and more active. it is dangerous to leave him alive, whereas masq is mostly harmless and has 1-2 posts with no real substance.
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Original Message From aztrorisk:
I know, I don't want to vote for masq either but It wouldn't be fair for masq if we are biased because he is a SC2 pro.
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Original Message From Bill Murray:
i am more sure of veldril, plus iirc masq is good at sc2 so i'm biased
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Original Message From aztrorisk:
Theres already 4 guys on masq and 1 guy on vendril. We have a better chance of removing masq. You said that you don't care which one goes home.
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Original Message From Bill Murray:
vote with me on veldril then
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Original Message From aztrorisk:
hey can you vote for masq because we won't be able to gather enough votes for vendril. If it is masq, then we'll vote for vendril because he tried to save masq. However, if you keep your vote for vendril and he will probably not get enough votes to get lynched.:
The point of me posting this is that either two things will happen now: A) Aztorisk switches to Veldril, fulfilling his promise to me through PM. B) Aztorisk lies about what he said he would do. If A, he is helping the town. If B, he is breaking LAL, which is Lynch All Liars, and we should lynch him for not cooperating.
hmm, i thought we are not supposed to post PMs?
also it could be you and him making these stuff up, how should i judge a PM? -.-
the only thing i could safely come up after your post is that you and him have some connection...
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On October 12 2010 03:41 NB wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 03:38 Bill Murray wrote:On October 12 2010 02:47 Veldril wrote:
Vote on Bill Murray. This is pretty damning. This is called an OMGUS. He is voting me because I have made a very good case on him, and he is pussysore about it. OMGUS = Oh My God You Suck. Veldril is standing in the grave he's digging, and it's a two plotter. One is for himself, one is for masq. Masq is mostly harmless, though, so lets get Veldril out of the way first. I'd also like to point out these PMs I received and corresponded on with aztorisk:
aztorisk wrote:
I agree with you however, we won't be able to gather enough votes to eliminate veldril. If you can gather 2 more votes for veldril, I'll switch, if not, vote for masq so your vote does not go to waste.
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Original Message From Bill Murray:
all i'm saying is veldril has been both more obvious and more active. it is dangerous to leave him alive, whereas masq is mostly harmless and has 1-2 posts with no real substance.
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Original Message From aztrorisk:
I know, I don't want to vote for masq either but It wouldn't be fair for masq if we are biased because he is a SC2 pro.
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Original Message From Bill Murray:
i am more sure of veldril, plus iirc masq is good at sc2 so i'm biased
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Original Message From aztrorisk:
Theres already 4 guys on masq and 1 guy on vendril. We have a better chance of removing masq. You said that you don't care which one goes home.
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Original Message From Bill Murray:
vote with me on veldril then
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Original Message From aztrorisk:
hey can you vote for masq because we won't be able to gather enough votes for vendril. If it is masq, then we'll vote for vendril because he tried to save masq. However, if you keep your vote for vendril and he will probably not get enough votes to get lynched.:
The point of me posting this is that either two things will happen now: A) Aztorisk switches to Veldril, fulfilling his promise to me through PM. B) Aztorisk lies about what he said he would do. If A, he is helping the town. If B, he is breaking LAL, which is Lynch All Liars, and we should lynch him for not cooperating. hmm, i thought we are not supposed to post PMs? also it could be you and him making these stuff up, how should i judge a PM? -.- the only thing i could safely come up after your post is that you and him have some connection...
You are allowed to post PMs from other players, just not from mods.
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I don't agree with the "we won't be able to gather enough votes on Veldril" thing.
It only takes 3 people to change their vote to tip the scales in Veldril's favor. And those who voted for Masq are probably suspicious of Veldril now as well.
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On October 11 2010 19:06 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2010 18:59 deconduo wrote:Its nice to wake up to 10+ pages of mafia to look through. This is gonna be a loooooong game. Just a few quick things: -Silver Hammer might refer to the Beatle's song, Maxwell's Silver Hammer. Especially as it was John Lennon's 70th birthday the other day. I'm gonna have a look to see if anyone has Beatle's lyrics in their profile. -Gonna add some stuff to my profile on request from mods. Picture and quote will stay the same. -I'm going to vote for Coagulation for now. The old 'Why me = fry me' rule has rarely ever failed me. + Show Spoiler +On October 11 2010 14:35 Coagulation wrote:
why the hell everyone voting to kill me already? theres hasnt been a single clue relevent to me mentioned at all. jeez. On October 11 2010 14:56 Coagulation wrote:
omg i found incriminating evidence against myself
DoctorHelvetica was sitting at his desk deep within the Liquidvania jail. The jail used to be a dungeon when Dracula was in power and there were still bloodstains on the old stone walls. He heard footsteps coming down the hall, assuming it was the deputy warden coming to do his rounds he didn't even look back but just absorbed himself in his book on zombie history. The door creaked open and the footsteps stopped. DoctorHelvetica looked back at the open doorway but saw no one.
better post let the guys know On October 11 2010 14:58 Coagulation wrote:
NO i think we should all stop analysing and just keep voting for coag for no reason On October 11 2010 15:43 Coagulation wrote:
how the hell are you gonna vote for me when there hasnt been a single shred of presentable evidence to imply me as scum
yet your going to defend the most heavily implicated person here???
sounds like there are hidden motives to me. -I'm gonna add more stuff later. nice RH quote
you're the one with the nice radiohead quote
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On October 12 2010 03:43 CubEdIn wrote:
I don't agree with the "we won't be able to gather enough votes on Veldril" thing.
It only takes 3 people to change their vote to tip the scales in Veldril's favor. And those who voted for Masq are probably suspicious of Veldril now as well.
Agreed. Plus, there are still some people who have not read/posted, so we'll see where our discussion takes us. Maybe we can tip the scales towards Veldril.
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Just voted for Veldril. Guess we need more to see if aztorisk changes his change.
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Hmm Bill, I doubt many people will dare communicate with you via PM now that the assumption of basic secrecy has been compromized -_-
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On October 12 2010 03:45 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2010 19:06 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 11 2010 18:59 deconduo wrote:Its nice to wake up to 10+ pages of mafia to look through. This is gonna be a loooooong game. Just a few quick things: -Silver Hammer might refer to the Beatle's song, Maxwell's Silver Hammer. Especially as it was John Lennon's 70th birthday the other day. I'm gonna have a look to see if anyone has Beatle's lyrics in their profile. -Gonna add some stuff to my profile on request from mods. Picture and quote will stay the same. -I'm going to vote for Coagulation for now. The old 'Why me = fry me' rule has rarely ever failed me. + Show Spoiler +On October 11 2010 14:35 Coagulation wrote:
why the hell everyone voting to kill me already? theres hasnt been a single clue relevent to me mentioned at all. jeez. On October 11 2010 14:56 Coagulation wrote:
omg i found incriminating evidence against myself
DoctorHelvetica was sitting at his desk deep within the Liquidvania jail. The jail used to be a dungeon when Dracula was in power and there were still bloodstains on the old stone walls. He heard footsteps coming down the hall, assuming it was the deputy warden coming to do his rounds he didn't even look back but just absorbed himself in his book on zombie history. The door creaked open and the footsteps stopped. DoctorHelvetica looked back at the open doorway but saw no one.
better post let the guys know On October 11 2010 14:58 Coagulation wrote:
NO i think we should all stop analysing and just keep voting for coag for no reason On October 11 2010 15:43 Coagulation wrote:
how the hell are you gonna vote for me when there hasnt been a single shred of presentable evidence to imply me as scum
yet your going to defend the most heavily implicated person here???
sounds like there are hidden motives to me. -I'm gonna add more stuff later. nice RH quote you're the one with the nice radiohead quote
Thanks but I'll still modkill you if you spam too much.
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On October 12 2010 03:38 Bill Murray wrote:This is pretty damning. This is called an OMGUS. He is voting me because I have made a very good case on him, and he is pussysore about it. OMGUS = Oh My God You Suck. Veldril is standing in the grave he's digging, and it's a two plotter. One is for himself, one is for masq. Masq is mostly harmless, though, so lets get Veldril out of the way first. I'd also like to point out these PMs I received and corresponded on with aztorisk:Show nested quote +
aztorisk wrote:
I agree with you however, we won't be able to gather enough votes to eliminate veldril. If you can gather 2 more votes for veldril, I'll switch, if not, vote for masq so your vote does not go to waste.
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Original Message From Bill Murray:
all i'm saying is veldril has been both more obvious and more active. it is dangerous to leave him alive, whereas masq is mostly harmless and has 1-2 posts with no real substance.
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Original Message From aztrorisk:
I know, I don't want to vote for masq either but It wouldn't be fair for masq if we are biased because he is a SC2 pro.
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Original Message From Bill Murray:
i am more sure of veldril, plus iirc masq is good at sc2 so i'm biased
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Original Message From aztrorisk:
Theres already 4 guys on masq and 1 guy on vendril. We have a better chance of removing masq. You said that you don't care which one goes home.
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Original Message From Bill Murray:
vote with me on veldril then
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Original Message From aztrorisk:
hey can you vote for masq because we won't be able to gather enough votes for vendril. If it is masq, then we'll vote for vendril because he tried to save masq. However, if you keep your vote for vendril and he will probably not get enough votes to get lynched.:
The point of me posting this is that either two things will happen now: A) Aztorisk switches to Veldril, fulfilling his promise to me through PM. B) Aztorisk lies about what he said he would do. If A, he is helping the town. If B, he is breaking LAL, which is Lynch All Liars, and we should lynch him for not cooperating.
You can accuse me as much as you like. That doesn't refute my point I made earlier about you.
Oh and nice about forcing Aztorisk to vote me by publishing the PM.
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On October 12 2010 03:33 YummyBlaBla wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 03:28 NB wrote:
WHO INVESTIGATE THE INVESTIGATORS?
I am considering between seRapH, jodogohoo and Veldril
If masq is truely the Jack-o-lantern, its "ok" to ignore him. Would not take risk only killing 1 blue since 1 blue life is SO MUCH worth compare to killing jack...
Reason i choose those 3 people:
seRapH: check my previous posts
jodogohoo: He changed his vote ALOT. The best way to explain this is that he likes to "agree" with people on lynching somebody. This means that he, in fact, does not value the "risk" that we have to take when lynching somebody or in another way to say: "He seem to know who to avoid killing". Most of his posts contain very "simple" logic and mostly "agreeing" with someone else on lynching people. If i have to change my vote right now, i would vote for him. I denied the possibility of him being a noob since his post counts is 2k...
Veldril: His biggest mistake was try to protect masq VERY early on. If that didnt cause enough attention toward this couple, Masq went a head and "agree" with Veldril's protection. => What this means is that instead of voting for masq, vote for Veldril is a MUCH safer option comparatively since Veldril has much more "power posts" than Masq. If both Masq and Veldril have equal chance of being mafia/vamp, why dont we remove the "harmful" one b4 the "harmless" one?
Now im off to do homework >.<... but i will replay if you have any questions toward my logic :-) The Jack-o-lantern hint is a clue. I don't think it means that the clue refers to the blue role.
no, you mis-understood what i was trying to say.
what i mean was that lynching somebody right now is facing a chance of lynching one of our blue so dont do it too randomly. the more blue we have, the more chance we have to survive lately so lynching to a townie is MUCH MORE IMPORTANT compare to M or V. In fact, those people who are not posting but voting are most likely V or M since they dont care about who is getting lynched.
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Bill, you mentioned before that you're "happy to kill coagulation/masq." Care to explain that?
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Talking about M or V... they will want to get rid of the most "reasonable" person who has the most "power posts" in the first night... So The ghost should be protecting the most influential person we having here.
hmm, how do you type in color? only mods can do that?
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On October 12 2010 03:58 NB wrote:
Talking about M or V... they will want to get rid of the most "reasonable" person who has the most "power posts" in the first night... So The ghost should be protecting the most influential person we having here.
hmm, how do you type in color? only mods can do that?
In the post window look at the "Smilies & BBCode" link for a full list of BBCode to use in your posts (colors included).
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