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On October 12 2010 02:02 Flicky wrote:
My general opinion on the Whole Masq thing is that he's not doing a great job of defending himself despite it only being day 1.
While it's possible it's "too obvious" to some, as soon as I realised it can't have been a Jack O'Lantern framing, the more it seems that's the only lead.
Seems likely to me and that a possible miss-lynch wouldn't be too much of an issue.
After spending time reading rules, I do agree that miss-lynch on the first day is not a big issue. We have 61 players here, with 22 reds. That we have 39 greens/blues. Considering that mafias and vampires each can kill up to 3 people (or have to kill three people I'm not sure, might need clarification on this), we can say that on the first day plus first night, there will be up to 7 people dead. If all dead are hit at townie, then townie will have 32 player left. And worst case would be 7 of either vampire or mafia are killed (only single side), which I believe is very unlikely.
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On October 12 2010 02:09 NB wrote:
I have a feeling that the more votes we have for masq, the deeper we are falling into a trap... The only reason i would vote for him right now is beacause he "seem" to have a teammate who is "Veldrill".As Dr.H has cleared out, Jack-o-lantern is a role and not a clue so the picture must be non-related....
Well there would be no reason to frame the Jack because he can't kill on night 1. Surely it's got not much to do with the Jack. Not like it's a threat to him because killing him is not a good idea with the bombs set up from day 1 being over.
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On October 11 2010 18:59 deconduo wrote:Its nice to wake up to 10+ pages of mafia to look through. This is gonna be a loooooong game. Just a few quick things: -Silver Hammer might refer to the Beatle's song, Maxwell's Silver Hammer. Especially as it was John Lennon's 70th birthday the other day. I'm gonna have a look to see if anyone has Beatle's lyrics in their profile. -Gonna add some stuff to my profile on request from mods. Picture and quote will stay the same. -I'm going to vote for Coagulation for now. The old 'Why me = fry me' rule has rarely ever failed me. + Show Spoiler +On October 11 2010 14:35 Coagulation wrote:
why the hell everyone voting to kill me already? theres hasnt been a single clue relevent to me mentioned at all. jeez. On October 11 2010 14:56 Coagulation wrote:
omg i found incriminating evidence against myself
DoctorHelvetica was sitting at his desk deep within the Liquidvania jail. The jail used to be a dungeon when Dracula was in power and there were still bloodstains on the old stone walls. He heard footsteps coming down the hall, assuming it was the deputy warden coming to do his rounds he didn't even look back but just absorbed himself in his book on zombie history. The door creaked open and the footsteps stopped. DoctorHelvetica looked back at the open doorway but saw no one.
better post let the guys know On October 11 2010 14:58 Coagulation wrote:
NO i think we should all stop analysing and just keep voting for coag for no reason On October 11 2010 15:43 Coagulation wrote:
how the hell are you gonna vote for me when there hasnt been a single shred of presentable evidence to imply me as scum
yet your going to defend the most heavily implicated person here???
sounds like there are hidden motives to me. -I'm gonna add more stuff later.
he also trys to put some pressure on the guy making the very helpful spreadsheet
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On October 11 2010 18:59 deconduo wrote:Its nice to wake up to 10+ pages of mafia to look through. This is gonna be a loooooong game. Just a few quick things: -Silver Hammer might refer to the Beatle's song, Maxwell's Silver Hammer. Especially as it was John Lennon's 70th birthday the other day. I'm gonna have a look to see if anyone has Beatle's lyrics in their profile. -Gonna add some stuff to my profile on request from mods. Picture and quote will stay the same. -I'm going to vote for Coagulation for now. The old 'Why me = fry me' rule has rarely ever failed me. + Show Spoiler +On October 11 2010 14:35 Coagulation wrote:
why the hell everyone voting to kill me already? theres hasnt been a single clue relevent to me mentioned at all. jeez. On October 11 2010 14:56 Coagulation wrote:
omg i found incriminating evidence against myself
DoctorHelvetica was sitting at his desk deep within the Liquidvania jail. The jail used to be a dungeon when Dracula was in power and there were still bloodstains on the old stone walls. He heard footsteps coming down the hall, assuming it was the deputy warden coming to do his rounds he didn't even look back but just absorbed himself in his book on zombie history. The door creaked open and the footsteps stopped. DoctorHelvetica looked back at the open doorway but saw no one.
better post let the guys know On October 11 2010 14:58 Coagulation wrote:
NO i think we should all stop analysing and just keep voting for coag for no reason On October 11 2010 15:43 Coagulation wrote:
how the hell are you gonna vote for me when there hasnt been a single shred of presentable evidence to imply me as scum
yet your going to defend the most heavily implicated person here???
sounds like there are hidden motives to me. -I'm gonna add more stuff later.
coagulation also trys to put some pressure on the guy making the very helpful spreadsheet
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I did not say jack o lantern isn't a clue, only that it is unrelated to the role of the same name. Anything in the day post could be a potential clue.
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as of right now, lynching masq is a 66% win, so to me it's acceptable:
A) if masq is scum, then hooray day 1 scum lynched!
B) if masq is townie, then people will realize how meaningless these clues really are.
C) if masq is blue, then  but judging from his response its doubtful.
On October 12 2010 02:06 jodogohoo wrote:
lol spydr zerroth and flicky defending someone who is clearly guilty, hmm
i wouldnt say flicky is "clearly" defending him, at any rate.
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On October 12 2010 02:29 seRapH wrote:as of right now, lynching masq is a 66% win, so to me it's acceptable: A) if masq is scum, then hooray day 1 scum lynched! B) if masq is townie, then people will realize how meaningless these clues really are. C) if masq is blue, then but judging from his response its doubtful. Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 02:06 jodogohoo wrote:
lol spydr zerroth and flicky defending someone who is clearly guilty, hmm i wouldnt say flicky is "clearly" defending him, at any rate.
flicky is being sneaky with the way he's posting
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we need a majority on Veldril not masq though imo
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...Wow...game started fast. Coming into catch up, but don't expect too much right now. Gotta set some shit up, and I'm at the gf's house. Buuuuut besides that...lmao....
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At the moment, coag/veldril/masq all look like decent lynches imo. No matter what they flip, we should get some nice information
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Also, I feel we should not be focusing so much on clues. They will help us a lot more later on when we can add them up, but for now they are just a distraction. Posting style is much more important. Looking at who is voting and not posting is pretty crucial as well.
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On October 12 2010 02:38 deconduo wrote:
Also, I feel we should not be focusing so much on clues. They will help us a lot more later on when we can add them up, but for now they are just a distraction. Posting style is much more important. Looking at who is voting and not posting is pretty crucial as well.
yeah, a few people have almost 0 posts
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On October 12 2010 01:22 Pandain wrote:
##Vote Pandain
I think I have a good read on him
VI
oh wait...
On October 12 2010 02:42 jodogohoo wrote:
CKSide
d3_crescentia
southrawrea
i'm pretty sure there are way more than that that are MIA
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On October 12 2010 02:47 seRapH wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 01:22 Pandain wrote:
##Vote Pandain
I think I have a good read on him VI oh wait... i'm pretty sure there are way more than that that are MIA
yeah i got bored checking posting frequency =(
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On October 12 2010 00:43 Veldril wrote:Oh well, I think I deserve to be suspected for protecting Masq. But let's be clear, I'm suspecting Masq too but I don't want to draw conclusion based solely on the story that the GM wrote. To quote what Dr.H written in the introduction: Show nested quote +Clues:
During the day, people die. When people die, clues are left behind by the dastardly mafia (or monsters) that killed them. Clues may refer to a persons profile, name, and signature. They can be taken from anywhere and won't always be so obvious. Keep a sharp and open mind when looking for clues. Remember, clues often times hurt the town more than they help. Analyze but don't go overboard in trying to use clues to your advantage, you may just run yourself in circles. Mafia is a game of deception, guesswork, and manipulation before it is a game of clue analysis. Keep that in mind. That means the clue might hurt townie like us too. Now let me response to Bill Murray's post: Show nested quote +On October 11 2010 15:39 Bill Murray wrote:On October 11 2010 14:46 Veldril wrote:
Reporting in.
Many victims seems to die by a weapon, maybe most are killed by mafia? Or maybe the vampire mimic the mafia style? However, I'm not sure is this important or not.
Also, nice find Glasse. That's really helpful. But maybe we can get more clue from the first night post that make the mafia/vamp more visible.
This seems very forced. Maybe this, maybe that. I'm voting this guy. Fuck all the clue speculation, let's lynch Veldril over this post. I like your post here. Yes, I was absolutely did a bad post and deserve to be suspected. But after reading Ver's guide, do you think I would make a same mistake that Misder made in the past? I think not. Show nested quote +On October 11 2010 15:48 Bill Murray wrote:On October 11 2010 15:33 Veldril wrote:On October 11 2010 15:14 Nemesis wrote:On October 11 2010 15:11 Veldril wrote:
Another thing is that are we too readily to blame Masq for the kill? The evidence is quite obvious but it could be too obvious sometimes. We need to be a little bit more careful about voting. Unless you have someone else in mind, then please enlighten us. Right now, it is the best lead we got. I don't have one specific in my mind right now (that's why I don't vote yet). But I have some idea... Firstly, because the Mafia and Vampire knows who are on the same team with them, they would want to deflect the blame if a person in his team is suspected. A person who rashly accuses other person could be a Mafia or a Vampire, especially on Day 1. Note that this is not about presenting suspicious players' profiles. But it's more about looking at only one profile and making an accusation without analysis or with an over-analysis. Secondly, I believe that there's old-school player here so we might be able to check their previous post first before making an accusation. Analyzing the old posts in previous games might become useful if you have time to do it. LOL. YOU JUST ADMITTED YOU'D BUDDY WHEN MAFIA, AND YOU'VE BEEN DOING IT WITH MASQ. I DON'T MEAN TO BE FUNNY WITH HALLOWEEN-REFERENCES, BUT THAT WAS REALLY THE NAIL IN YOUR COFFIN MR VAMPIRE LOL Could you please clarify how I admitted that I'm a mafia/vampire? Because I defended Masq? I guess your logic is something like this. If someone is a mafia/vampire then that person would defend blame on his team mate. If a person defend other person then those people are teammate. Veldril defend Masq Therefore,Veldril and Masq are team mate. Therefore, Veldril and Masq are vampire. If your logic is like above then I think you have made both formal fallacy and informal fallacy. With an experienced player like you, it is unlikely that you would make such fallacies, unless you ignore them to make an accusation on me with some agendas. Of course, I could be wrong but in that case, could you please clarify why do you think I team up with Masq please?
I think I just found 2 vampires here guys
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On October 12 2010 02:12 Veldril wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 02:02 Flicky wrote:
My general opinion on the Whole Masq thing is that he's not doing a great job of defending himself despite it only being day 1.
While it's possible it's "too obvious" to some, as soon as I realised it can't have been a Jack O'Lantern framing, the more it seems that's the only lead.
Seems likely to me and that a possible miss-lynch wouldn't be too much of an issue. After spending time reading rules, I do agree that miss-lynch on the first day is not a big issue. We have 61 players here, with 22 reds. That we have 39 greens/blues. Considering that mafias and vampires each can kill up to 3 people (or have to kill three people I'm not sure, might need clarification on this), we can say that on the first day plus first night, there will be up to 7 people dead. If all dead are hit at townie, then townie will have 32 player left. And worst case would be 7 of either vampire or mafia are killed (only single side), which I believe is very unlikely.
Not that it's very relevant, but you couldn't get 7 kills on vampire or mafia since they know who they are and would not use their 3 kills on their own team. So tops would be 4 kills on one side and 3 kills on the other, which wouldn't be TOO bad. It would make the game fairly interesting, since all sides gain from killing the other sides, so it would still be fairly even in terms of Mafia vs Vampires, but the Townies would have the advantage.
As for masq, as I said in the beginning, it may not be the smartest thing to go on with such an obvious clue, but then again what other options do we have?
Really, no other clues come close to this in my opinion. If we find someone who's more likely, then I'd gladly change my vote.
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On October 12 2010 03:09 CubEdIn wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 02:12 Veldril wrote:On October 12 2010 02:02 Flicky wrote:
My general opinion on the Whole Masq thing is that he's not doing a great job of defending himself despite it only being day 1.
While it's possible it's "too obvious" to some, as soon as I realised it can't have been a Jack O'Lantern framing, the more it seems that's the only lead.
Seems likely to me and that a possible miss-lynch wouldn't be too much of an issue. After spending time reading rules, I do agree that miss-lynch on the first day is not a big issue. We have 61 players here, with 22 reds. That we have 39 greens/blues. Considering that mafias and vampires each can kill up to 3 people (or have to kill three people I'm not sure, might need clarification on this), we can say that on the first day plus first night, there will be up to 7 people dead. If all dead are hit at townie, then townie will have 32 player left. And worst case would be 7 of either vampire or mafia are killed (only single side), which I believe is very unlikely. Not that it's very relevant, but you couldn't get 7 kills on vampire or mafia since they know who they are and would not use their 3 kills on their own team. So tops would be 4 kills on one side and 3 kills on the other, which wouldn't be TOO bad. It would make the game fairly interesting, since all sides gain from killing the other sides, so it would still be fairly even in terms of Mafia vs Vampires, but the Townies would have the advantage. As for masq, as I said in the beginning, it may not be the smartest thing to go on with such an obvious clue, but then again what other options do we have? Really, no other clues come close to this in my opinion. If we find someone who's more likely, then I'd gladly change my vote.
Oh yeah, I miscounted and forgot about that. Thanks for a reminder and correction.
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On October 12 2010 03:09 CubEdIn wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 02:12 Veldril wrote:On October 12 2010 02:02 Flicky wrote:
My general opinion on the Whole Masq thing is that he's not doing a great job of defending himself despite it only being day 1.
While it's possible it's "too obvious" to some, as soon as I realised it can't have been a Jack O'Lantern framing, the more it seems that's the only lead.
Seems likely to me and that a possible miss-lynch wouldn't be too much of an issue. After spending time reading rules, I do agree that miss-lynch on the first day is not a big issue. We have 61 players here, with 22 reds. That we have 39 greens/blues. Considering that mafias and vampires each can kill up to 3 people (or have to kill three people I'm not sure, might need clarification on this), we can say that on the first day plus first night, there will be up to 7 people dead. If all dead are hit at townie, then townie will have 32 player left. And worst case would be 7 of either vampire or mafia are killed (only single side), which I believe is very unlikely. As for masq, as I said in the beginning, it may not be the smartest thing to go on with such an obvious clue, but then again what other options do we have? Really, no other clues come close to this in my opinion. If we find someone who's more likely, then I'd gladly change my vote.
lol what?
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On October 12 2010 03:23 jodogohoo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 03:09 CubEdIn wrote:On October 12 2010 02:12 Veldril wrote:On October 12 2010 02:02 Flicky wrote:
My general opinion on the Whole Masq thing is that he's not doing a great job of defending himself despite it only being day 1.
While it's possible it's "too obvious" to some, as soon as I realised it can't have been a Jack O'Lantern framing, the more it seems that's the only lead.
Seems likely to me and that a possible miss-lynch wouldn't be too much of an issue. After spending time reading rules, I do agree that miss-lynch on the first day is not a big issue. We have 61 players here, with 22 reds. That we have 39 greens/blues. Considering that mafias and vampires each can kill up to 3 people (or have to kill three people I'm not sure, might need clarification on this), we can say that on the first day plus first night, there will be up to 7 people dead. If all dead are hit at townie, then townie will have 32 player left. And worst case would be 7 of either vampire or mafia are killed (only single side), which I believe is very unlikely. As for masq, as I said in the beginning, it may not be the smartest thing to go on with such an obvious clue, but then again what other options do we have? Really, no other clues come close to this in my opinion. If we find someone who's more likely, then I'd gladly change my vote. lol what?
What exactly is unclear?
Do you believe that any other clues from Night 0's summary even come close to this?
I agree that we could also vote based on reactions, but I was referring to clues.
Please explain.
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