EPTAt the end of the day this is basically going to come down to one of two things. Lynch team 6 because you don't believe me, or lynch team 8 because you don't believe them. We can worry about who is after that if we are here tomorrow. So for now pick your sides. This should really let us figure out who the remaining mafia is considering how strong this power play is from team 8.
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
At the end of the day this is basically going to come down to one of two things. Lynch team 6 because you don't believe me, or lynch team 8 because you don't believe them. We can worry about who is after that if we are here tomorrow. So for now pick your sides. This should really let us figure out who the remaining mafia is considering how strong this power play is from team 8. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
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Foolishness
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Infundibulum
United States2552 Posts
On September 26 2010 12:52 LSB wrote: Okay, Incog is mafia. 1) Incog has good reason to kill Ace Look at this post Ace is initially saying that he suspects the same people as Incognito. However, at the same time, Ace notes that this is a really easy way to pick off townies. Incog has been taking little posts, and blowing them out of proportion. In fact, when I confront Incognito about this, he just brushes it off, and ignores it. Notice that Incognito doesn’t even address this fact. When I later pressure him he still tries to shift the focus. Incog has good reason to off Ace. Ace was the only one suspicious of his activities at that time. Every mafia team has a good reason to kill Ace: because he's Ace. I don't even think Ace was suspicious of Incog at that point. He said that incog had pinned your team also, which means that Ace was suspicious you, not Incog. 2) Incog’s attack on me was engineered to persuade people who did not play with me in recent games First of all, look at Incog’s attack of me. He pulls out my rookie game, and then says that I am the planner in the group. Of course, if you’ve played with me, you’d know that I am an extremely cautious player. Indeed. Look at the final vote count for day 1 against me The only person who wasn’t on team 2 (the team I was suspicious of), and team 8. (Incog’s team) was YellowInk, and YellowInk has never played with me before. I actually find it quite strange that Team 2 seems to follow Team 8 around a lot All Incog knows about you is what i told him: you were townie in flamewheels game and came up with a plan, so as a mafia I hit you because of it. That's where he got the "lsb is a planner" thing from. My memory is fuzzy so maybe it wasn't solely your plan - i don't know. 3) Incog Attacks Team 7 because they are the easier target. Here is Incog’s initial attack of Team 7 First of all, Pyrr did not defend YellowInk. He merely tried to find an explanation for YellowInk’s actions. Secondly, this is completely an completely illigit accusation. Incog through a whole bunch of dirt on Me and Pyrr day one, and I find it really strange that he suffered a bout of ADHD, and decided to attack team 7 instead. His basic premise was that I was supposedly mafia (which was wrong in the first place), and in turn, Team 7 must be mafia. I believe the reason that he switched targets was that he thought that he couldn’t kill me, so hit picked someone that Foolishness would agreed on for a kill. Let’s look at the voting stats In reality, the only team who truly agreed with Incog was team 3, that’s because Incog chose the right person to attack. Team 8 / Team 2 have been voting together. Team 6 voted so that they could live At that point Pyrr, not you, had alleviated some of the suspicion on your team. I had talked with Incog about it and it was kind of my fault that we switched to working on analyzing team 7, mostly because I felt Pyrr wasn't playing in his normal red meta. Again, you are painting the team 7 lynch as though it was solely a team 8 effort. It wasn't. several other players from various teams contributed analysis and supported the lynch. By the way, this is where you've basically played your hand and said that you think teams 2 and 8 are mafia, though somewhat subtly. 4) Killing Pandian/BB Wut? It looks like he’s trying to act like that he’s given up. The defeated townie act. Medic claim. So Incog is either red or Medic. I don’t know why Incog would do this. Here’s a possible explanation. Maybe Incog thought Pandian and BB was medic. I’ll go through their posts and see if anything there might indicate that they looked like a blue role. After finding out that Pandian/BB was that not the medic, he probably assumed that there was no medic. In a normal 7 person game, there is a 50% chance of a medic. Decent odds, and Incog would probably outargue a counterclaim This is an 8 person game, so it’s even harder for the mafia. Maybe Incog assumed that Korr wouldn’t put a medic because the odds were even lower. But why would Incog pull such a desperate maneuver? Well, it’s Lylo. All Incog has to do is make sure that he doesn’t get killed and his scum buddy doesn’t get killed, and they win. ##Vote:Team 8 Here's the nail in the coffin, brother. So far none of what you have provided really amounts to analysis. It is speculation at best. Here you are speculating that "incognito thought pandain and bb was medic." This is absolutely retarded. From the mafia perspective, they don't know if there's a medic or a dt or ANY blue roles in this game. Why, then, would the mafia blue snipe? No, they would kill players like Ace/BM. Night 2 I would guess that Pandain and BB were killed because they didn't vote Day 2. Therefore eliminating them reveals no information from votelists, which is a strong move. Go back and read their posts, and it's obvious they are green - for example, Pandain is pretty great at telegraphing when he has a role (not necessarily a bad thing), and this game he was telegraphing "I'm town!" This conjecture of yours is nothing but an improbable, stretched fantasy that hinges on our team not only being mafia but also being really stupid. In fact, there would be no reason for mafia to fake claim medic at this point where it's LyLo. Here why: 1. the optimal mafia strategy at this point in the game is to pin suspicion on a vocal person who's been wrong in the past day or 2. This is because the town is sick of missing their lynches. They want to see red blood, god damnit, and who better than the guy that's been steadfastly going down the wrong trail? All the mafia need to do is goad the town into doing this, which is what you and RoL are trying to do. Note that I predicted this move earlier in the thread - it's very obvious. 2. Mafia claiming medic first is really risky because they don't know whether there's a medic or not. In a LyLo situation, it's the town that's at risk and not the mafia. There's no reason for the mafia to suddenly stop playing it safe and go balls out unless they want to "win with style." neither Incog nor I is that kind of player (granted that's a bit of wifom, but if you've played any games with either of us you should know that). | ||
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Infundibulum
United States2552 Posts
On September 26 2010 14:53 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: I understand that a lot of teams were advocating yesterdays lynch, I was even among them. The thing I am pointing out is why incognito started that? It is a really strange shift and on top of that you guys fake claim medic and are trying to get us to lynch foolishness it just really strange to me. At the end of the day this is basically going to come down to one of two things. Lynch team 6 because you don't believe me, or lynch team 8 because you don't believe them. We can worry about who is after that if we are here tomorrow. So for now pick your sides. This should really let us figure out who the remaining mafia is considering how strong this power play is from team 8. 1. I don't think we really started. IIRC there was murmurs among the town of team 7 playing funky during day 1. it didn't just come out of nowhere day 2. i have a shit memory and coud be wrong about this though. 2. We're not trying to get you to lynch Foolishness... did you write the wrong name or something? in fact at this point I think 3. Honestly though i'm surprised you counter claimed medic. There was no need for you to play that card so quickly. Generally the mafia can wait and say that the lack of a counterclaim indicates that the claimer is lying. For example, you could have said "Incog is mafia and trying to squirm away from inevitable lynch by claiming medic!", all without claiming yourself. But by counterclaiming you pretty much play out your whole hand. ---- Fun Fact™ for those who can't decide who's telling the truth: why do you think it was me who asked Korynne if the medic/protected person gets a PM notification? Don't you think that RoL, masquerading as the eager medic, would have wanted to know this important information? | ||
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Infundibulum
United States2552 Posts
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
I didn't know who to vote for... so I went through votes and accusations and tried to pick apart what combinations are unlikely. Teams 1 and 2 = unlikely the entire team 2 squad voted them on the first day, and we haven't been friends ever since. Would be pretty ballsy of us with 2 other individuals on that boat. Teams 1 and 3 = VERY LIKELY The link between teams 1 and 7 is pretty clear. I don't think it makes much of a difference between the two. We should be considering either team 6 or 7 instead, and not team 1. If you really think LSB is mafia, you would vote no lynch, and spend the next ~36 hours convincing the town with solid analysis and not "I'm 100% positive LSB/Pyrry are mafia". They have never gunned for each other, and tend not to make too much contact otherwise. They both opted for a no lynch, and even though the thought behind it was sound, you would gun for it as mafia if people starting stacking votes on your buddies. Teams 1 and 6 = Unlikely Pyr initiates a vote that almost gains momentum, and general FoS from LSB. Team 6 doesnt seem to like them either. Teams 1 and 8 = kinda-unlikely Pyr LSB initiates and then votes for them. Not sure if it could be mafia mind games. Now infundi puts his lylo vote on them. team 2 and 3 = likely I dont think anyone on my team has mentioned them, and foolishness gave a few direct criticisms, which is decent mafia blending that cant really be called scummy. And even as foolishness accused us now as team 6 cohorts, its not like it would matter who he accuses at LYLO as long as we dont get lynched now. teams 2 and 6 = likely we both voted together and I dont think we really confronted them or them to us. teams 2 and 8 = likely same thing, man we should get on the ball with all these accusations and voting people more  teams 3 and 6 = unlikely foolish pushing a fellow mafia team as lylo? No real reason to. teams 3 and 8 = mensamensa dont see much but do see some, teams 6 and 8 = TeeHee that would be funny, but i dont see it out of the realm of possibility. What piques me the most is Team 1's connections. It may seem like putting teams as 'likely' partners would label them as strong reds, but i think it does the opposite. It gives them an open townie mind frame, no strings attached mentality. In fact the if youve got that one 'likely' connection and no others, that might be pretty damning. Which is what team 1 and 3 has in my book. I think a team1 lynch would not only break us out of lylo, it would give us a solid lead. And foolish, while straining from taking out the chain-saw, does have some sort of weedwhacker for team 1. That, the no-lynch spec ops mission and cut ties from every other team makes me want to trust my gut on this. I've had it in for team 1 this whole game, and I see no reason to stop now. That and I can eliminate all team 2 connections, because I swear on a bear, promises on porpoises, agreement on C-ment, truth of my tooth, and the virginity of my future first born daughter that I am townie. ##vote team 1 | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
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On September 26 2010 15:18 Infundibulum wrote: In fact, there would be no reason for mafia to fake claim medic at this point where it's LyLo. Here why: 1. the optimal mafia strategy at this point in the game is to pin suspicion on a vocal person who's been wrong in the past day or 2. This is because the town is sick of missing their lynches. They want to see red blood, god damnit, and who better than the guy that's been steadfastly going down the wrong trail? All the mafia need to do is goad the town into doing this, which is what you and RoL are trying to do. Note that I predicted this move earlier in the thread - it's very obvious. I agree about that the mafia would try to push active/suspicious townie but a good townie just keeps analyzing and pushing and going with it. He pulled the same exact shit pyrrhuloxia did in XII and apologizes and "understands" if we want to lynch him. It is such a scum tell. Why do you feel the need to apologize and then you talk about us lynching you as if its not going to result in the end of the game if he IS NOT mafia. Its just such a ploy for town empathy. 2. Mafia claiming medic first is really risky because they don't know whether there's a medic or not. In a LyLo situation, it's the town that's at risk and not the mafia. There's no reason for the mafia to suddenly stop playing it safe and go balls out unless they want to "win with style." neither Incog nor I is that kind of player (granted that's a bit of wifom, but if you've played any games with either of us you should know that). Its not that risky at all. In such a situation what is the point in claiming? Its to try and hold the idea that you are town so we don't kill you. Seriously, give me one reason why claiming adds to the town at that point? It just strikes me completely suspicious its not like you are a providing info on who we must lynch like a DT could. Claiming medic serves no purpose except to try to keep yourself alive which any decent arguing can do when you are truly innocent at least in this situation where the town NEEDS to hit that lynch. Now if there is a counterclaim the shit can hit the fan, but as mafia you might be able to just add enough chaos for a bad decision to be made and capitalize on it. | ||
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Pyrrhuloxia
United States6700 Posts
I suppose BC's explanation is probably true. It doesn't really clear him in anyway but it isn't a good enough reason to vote for him in lylo, especially when RoL has been very active when he's always hidden when mafia to my knowledge (though he's usually rather inactive when green as well). Then infundi/incog and RoL/BC both show up and claim medic. Lol. My initial reaction favors Team 6. It would fit with RoL's behavior since I haven't seen him blue and he would probably have to be more active to make up for BC's absence and avoid lynch for suspicious inactivity like I was pushing. I've seen a lot of games with lurker mafia RoL and bored townie RoL but I don't think I've seen blue RoL and I suppose this could be it. Meanwhile, the following incognito posts give me almost-too-obvious mafia vibes: On September 25 2010 17:53 Incognito wrote: Dang I'm good at being pro-mafia. I'm too disheartened to defend myself, so go ahead and lynch me. I will still be voting for Team 1, although nobody is in the clear at this point. This is our last chance to lynch a mafia, and nobody's really done a good job at looking pro-town at this point. On September 26 2010 10:53 Incognito wrote: Its pretty sad I guessed wrong both times. Night 1 it was between Ace and our team, tonight it was between Pandain/BB and Team 2. Guessed wrong both times and someone died. Actually my fault, since there were slightly more interesting reasons to protect both Ace + Pandain/BB. Not thinking T_T These "lol sorry I fucked up guys" and "woe is me" posts aren't really necessary - Team 7 was lynched by a huge part of the town, I even changed my vote to them at the last minute in case people kept switching to us. So why is he worried we would pin it on him? Again with the protection choices he mentions, I don't get why he wouldn't prot himself both times. Either way, though, if he gets it wrong its not like he wasn't thinking; it's just unlucky. It doesn't seem like the authentic mindset to me. To some extent this is all wifom and the posts from RoL/BC and Infundi/Incog after claiming are somewhat useless, so I think voting records are something to consider carefully and give more weight. I guess it's down to LSB and I and whoever the other innocent team is to pick between 8 and 6 (I believe the other innocent team is Team 3 and will get to that at the end; I'm not sure though so please don't write us off if you are innocent, Team 2). voting: Day 1: infundibulum votes Team 1 (green) incognito votes Team 7 (green) BC votes Team 3 (???) RoL votes no lynch (pro-town) Day 2: infundibulum does not vote incognito, RoL, BC all vote Team 7 (green) Incognito was first voter for Team 7, there was no need for any mafia votes, really, because the voting was between Team 1 (green) and Team 7 (green). LSB and I were the only ones voting for BC/RoL (???). RoL also pushes for us to be lynched. Day 3: incog Team 3 (???) RoL Team 8 (???) (Notice incog and bc have both voted Team 3... since we know one of those teams is mafia, it probably means Team 3 is innocent - certainly a few points for them anyway) At the same time, voting doesn't tell us too much. If I'm right that Team 3 is innocent then both medic claiming teams have voted for exclusively innocent teams (maybe both are mafia? lol see spoiler for my musings on that). Still I am more comfortable voting Team 8 because they led the Team 7 lynch with ehh arguments and maybe Team 3 is mafia. + Show Spoiler + WEIRD NOTE: Is there any benefit to both mafia teams claiming medic? Now this might sound LOL, but I just had a weird thought where 6 and 8 could be mafia and both claim medic. If there is no 3rd medic than town would perhaps split their votes among them and maybe the two mafia teams could switch their votes at the last minute... Or if there was a third medic the vote could maybe split three ways. Lol no thats stupid but it is weird that this goes down and votes start getting put on LSB and I? So there is some sort of mind fuck going on. If team 6 is mafia, who would their teammate be? 2? I don't know of a connection here, which could be great evidence of a connection. 3? Foolishness is pushing their lynch now. Unlikely. If team 8 is mafia who would their teammate be? 2? This early post seems like an odd defense: On September 21 2010 04:54 Infundibulum wrote: What makes you think so? I'm curious, because Team 2 isn't on my radar right now for mafia. The way I see it - Bumatlarge seems drunk, Divinek made one post where he completely misunderstood how the game works, and SR talked about the merits of lynch vs no lynch. none of this says 'mafia' to me. Infundibulum says bad things about each player (drunk, stupid, and then with SR I guess it was a good thing since BB pointed out that it was a confusing statement that said nothing while Infun calls it a talk about merits), but then concludes they aren't suspicious, thus subtly pushing them away without putting them in danger. On September 26 2010 11:00 bumatlarge wrote: My left eyebrow is raised incognito... are you some blue role? I really dont understand why you would start yappin like that as a green townie. I was gonna stick with my gut on team 1 but if you really want to throw yourself out there... This post is really weird. Incog claims medic. Pretty clearly. But then bumatlarge reacts as if he is just hinting. It could be that they were planning a claim where bum would prod incog to claim first or something. Also weird that he suggests incog claiming would make him change his vote from me and he votes for me anyway (his vote for me makes no sense I'll get to that in a next post). 3? I kind of felt something between 2 and 3 but really can't name anything concrete. Of course maybe the confusion of bumatlarge should be taken as evidence that nothing was planned between them and I should be getting weirded out by Foolishness putting his hands in the air and jokingly asking for a Team 2 lynch. So it looks like I am thinking 2 is mafia both ways. So I suppose I could just vote Team 2, but now Team 2 is following the same logic and voting for me, which makes no sense to me, so I think we should keep it to the 2 we know 1 of is mafia. Y'all are mofos for making me stay up to figure this shit out. vote Team 8 | ||
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Pyrrhuloxia
United States6700 Posts
On September 26 2010 16:29 bumatlarge wrote: We cant split the vote three ways here, we have to be really decisive, so I suggest everyone setting their priorities on two teams. Giving different options for people you are torn between, only takes a little stealth nudge from a mafia to win them the game. I didn't know who to vote for... so I went through votes and accusations and tried to pick apart what combinations are unlikely. Teams 1 and 2 = unlikely the entire team 2 squad voted them on the first day, and we haven't been friends ever since. Would be pretty ballsy of us with 2 other individuals on that boat. Teams 1 and 3 = VERY LIKELY They have never gunned for each other, and tend not to make too much contact otherwise. They both opted for a no lynch, and even though the thought behind it was sound, you would gun for it as mafia if people starting stacking votes on your buddies. Teams 1 and 6 = Unlikely Pyr initiates a vote that almost gains momentum, and general FoS from LSB. Team 6 doesnt seem to like them either. Teams 1 and 8 = kinda-unlikely Pyr LSB initiates and then votes for them. Not sure if it could be mafia mind games. Now infundi puts his lylo vote on them. team 2 and 3 = likely I dont think anyone on my team has mentioned them, and foolishness gave a few direct criticisms, which is decent mafia blending that cant really be called scummy. And even as foolishness accused us now as team 6 cohorts, its not like it would matter who he accuses at LYLO as long as we dont get lynched now. teams 2 and 6 = likely we both voted together and I dont think we really confronted them or them to us. teams 2 and 8 = likely same thing, man we should get on the ball with all these accusations and voting people more teams 3 and 6 = unlikely foolish pushing a fellow mafia team as lylo? No real reason to. teams 3 and 8 = mensamensa dont see much but do see some, teams 6 and 8 = TeeHee that would be funny, but i dont see it out of the realm of possibility. What piques me the most is Team 1's connections. It may seem like putting teams as 'likely' partners would label them as strong reds, but i think it does the opposite. It gives them an open townie mind frame, no strings attached mentality. In fact the if youve got that one 'likely' connection and no others, that might be pretty damning. Which is what team 1 and 3 has in my book. I think a team1 lynch would not only break us out of lylo, it would give us a solid lead. And foolish, while straining from taking out the chain-saw, does have some sort of weedwhacker for team 1. That, the no-lynch spec ops mission and cut ties from every other team makes me want to trust my gut on this. I've had it in for team 1 this whole game, and I see no reason to stop now. That and I can eliminate all team 2 connections, because I swear on a bear, promises on porpoises, agreement on C-ment, truth of my tooth, and the virginity of my future first born daughter that I am townie. ##vote team 1 What we know 100%: Either Team 6 or Team 8 is mafia. What you conclude: Team 1 is mafia. Team 1 is tied up with Team 3 so they are probably mafia scum buddies. What you vote: Team 1. Please try again. | ||
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Pyrrhuloxia
United States6700 Posts
On September 26 2010 11:02 Foolishness wrote: You're guessing wrong again with your vote there by the way. Consider a few things from my perspective (that I'm green). You wanted to kill team 1. Team 1 voted to kill team 6 yesterday, and team 1 originally voted to kill team 2 the first day (before moving to No Lynch). After reviewing the votes and suspicions it doesn't seem to make much sense for any of the mafia to have voted for their teammate. Assuming that nobody is linked to team 1 (except for rastaban and I). Your teammate revealed that you were either red or blue. Apparently you're claiming blue now. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt for now and believe your claim, although I'm sure other people are going to have something to say about it. Thus that leaves teams 2 and 6 as mafia. Vote: team 6 It's weird, looking at the votes I feel stronger that you are more innocent than team 2 than I feel team 6 is more innocent than team 8. | ||
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Incognito
United States2071 Posts
I was gonna vote Team 1 instead of Team 6, since I'd rather lynch on some substance than pure inactivity, but there's a medic counterclaim. I know that's a lie obviously. And if you compare my posting to RoL's posting, it's clear who's scum here. I have pretty much been the driving force behind this game. Without me town has little to no information. There's no incentive for me to be this aggressive in a game where mafia can sit back and let the town rot. I've posted the most this game. My analysis showed the most dedication to the game out of everyone. As mafia it would have been so easy for me to agree with everyone and say we need more information and complain about the lack of information while providing none myself. Instead, I took a stand and attempted to lead the town when nobody was willing to take that job. Yes, its true that I was wrong on the last lynch. But every townie is going to be wrong at some point. Mislynching (once) doesn't make me automafia. And one person's vote doesn't make a lynch. RoL and BC, on the other hand, have been inactive the whole game. There is nothing pro-town that has redeeming value for Team 6. RoL's "analysis" just mimics whatever was already said. BC has been almost completely inactive the entire game. RoL claims he self protected twice in a row (rofl?) which makes almost no sense. RoL's medic claim doesn't fit. Its extremely scummy. Originally, I was going to post to switch my vote to Team 1, since I'd prefer to lynch someone concretely scummy as opposed to just an inactive, but that counterclaim does it for me. To me, its a 100% red. No reason to save a fake claiming lurker medic. *** There is no "sudden" switch to Team 7. I pointed out Team 7 midway through day 1, and I also switched votes to Team 7 before the deadline on day 1. I've been suspicious of Team 7 almost from the beginning of this game. Why did I switch to Team 7? On day 1, Foolishness said he wasn't sold on Team 1, but would gladly lynch Team 7. Since I was confident that they both were mafia, I gladly switched to Team 7 if it meant something would get done. Given my link between Team 1 and Team 7, I figured Team 1 == Team 7 in terms of which one to lynch. Nothing suspicious about a lynch I supported from half a day prior. I did not apologize profusely. A post expressing discouragement is not a scum tell. If you said it is a psychological tool, I could agree, but this definitely says nothing either way. If you're the only person who is actively trying to help the town win and you've invested so much time into the game then you find out you're wrong, its a big blow. As for the medic claim, it was a sort of end game comments before the game ends sort of thing. Really, I'm sad I got it down to two prots both nights and missed on both. My recent string of posts doesn't really say anything about my alignment. I really didn't expect someone to come out and counterclaim me. I expected it to be the end and that I'd just follow the hand motions until the end of the day where we lost. Like I said before, analyze me all you want. You won't find anything scummy about me. Both of our track records speak for themselves. Your medic claim is coming straight out of the blue. Think about the medic prots from my point of view. Day 1. I'm obviously not protecting teams 1/7. Nobody wants to kill Team 2 or 6 because they're inactive. Foolishness is acting a bit weird and not contributing too much. Pandain/BB don't really make an impression. Its down to Ace/me. If I die, the thread is pretty much dead, so I figure theres much more to lose if I die. Team 6's claim of self-prot isn't really all that pro-town. All this self-protting to protect the only 100% townie is BS. There's no reason why mafia want to kill team 6. They've done nothing and come under suspicion from Team 1/7. No incentive for the mafia to kill them. Self-prot doesn't make sense here. Day 2. Two dead townies. From my point of view, this means nobody is in the clear. I still suspected Team 1, and started to get some weird vibes from Team 3. Look back at my posts to see that I was a bit surprised at Foolishness's relatively weak analysis of meeple. Given that Day 1 Foolishness would agree to lynch team 7 but not Team 1, I was beginning to worry that it was a ploy to divert attention off Team 1. Team 6 is still suspicious and isn't going to draw any mafia hits. Mafia really doesn't have to kill me, as given the nature of towns, its easy to get the head of a mislynch lynched. So its between Team 2 and 5. At this point, the clear choice for hit should be team 5. I would've protted them if I had read their posts thoroughly, but was disconcerted by their lack of posting by the time I had pointed it out previous to the end of the lynch. By this time, I was already quitting on the game, so in haste I picked team 2. I'd like Team 6 to explain their choices for medic prots. I really don't think anyone would have cared if an inactive scummy medic team who was under suspicion died. I also don't think any mafia would have cared to hit them. Maybe you're just selfish, but this reeks of scummy play. Nothing pro-town about that at all. From my point of view, I have pretty solid medic prot choices. A little off, but a lot better than what Team 6 claims to have done. *** Something is interesting here. Foolishness accuses me as mafia halfway through the game, makes another posts where he accuses me of being mafia using a bunch of words starting with "i", and says he's going to push for my lynch if meeple flips green. But he hasn't done it yet. If he were mafia, it would be relatively easy to push my lynch right now. But it isn't happening. *** Looking back, there's no reason for Foolishness to divert attention from Team 1 to Team 7. We know that one of RoL/me is mafia. If Foolishness is mafia, Team 1/7 are innocent. Foolishness as mafia has no reason to want Team 7 lynched instead of team 1, given that I had posted a lot of analysis on Team 1 and none on Team 7 (just a call out). No reason for him to go out of his way to support the lynch of a player with no analysis yet when Team 1 was a fine option. The only reason that is plausible is that Foolishness is town and genuinely thought Team 7 to be more scummy than Team 1 based on his own analysis. Foolishness is Town. Its down to Team 1/2/6. | ||
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
Ace would be a horrible lynch by me. He was the one who noticed that there was something fishy in the bandwagon. And if I was mafia, I'd kill Incog to give myself some breathing room. Ace's death only benifits Incog 2) Great, so a "I forgot how LSB played" defense 3) So are you saying that you lynched team seven even though you thought that I was town? That is increadibly dumb. Your basic argument boils down to "Team 1 is mafia so Team 7 is mafia", and you guys doubt yourself. Why did you still press for the lynch? That would be dumb. Your obviously making up stuff now, trying any excuse that would work And I'm not going to flat out switch my attack to team two. Team two has been following around Incog for some strange reason. The Difference Between Me and You is that I don't go for the easy targets. I go for the targets that are scum 4) You say that my attack on you is speculation, but all you respond is more speculation. You start speculating on what would the mafia do. (Also responds to this) + Show Spoiler + I was gonna vote Team 1 instead of Team 6, since I'd rather lynch on some substance than pure inactivity, but there's a medic counterclaim. I know that's a lie obviously. And if you compare my posting to RoL's posting, it's clear who's scum here. I have pretty much been the driving force behind this game. Without me town has little to no information. There's no incentive for me to be this aggressive in a game where mafia can sit back and let the town rot. I've posted the most this game. My analysis showed the most dedication to the game out of everyone. As mafia it would have been so easy for me to agree with everyone and say we need more information and complain about the lack of information while providing none myself. Instead, I took a stand and attempted to lead the town when nobody was willing to take that job. Yes, its true that I was wrong on the last lynch. But every townie is going to be wrong at some point. Mislynching (once) doesn't make me automafia. And one person's vote doesn't make a lynch. Sure, if this was a larger game, it would seem suspicious if we go after someone who misses a lynch. But this is Micro Mafia. All mafia has to go is get two mislynches and they win. From the get go, we see that Incog has targeted two townies, me and team 7. If we let Incog complete his task, they win. Activity doesn't mean anything. All it means is that someone likes playing mafia a bit more than the others. On the other hand, pushing for two lynchs, and I know both of us are town, is extremely suspicious. There is no "sudden" switch to Team 7. I pointed out Team 7 midway through day 1, and I also switched votes to Team 7 before the deadline on day 1. I've been suspicious of Team 7 almost from the beginning of this game. Why did I switch to Team 7? On day 1, Foolishness said he wasn't sold on Team 1, but would gladly lynch Team 7. Since I was confident that they both were mafia, I gladly switched to Team 7 if it meant something would get done. Given my link between Team 1 and Team 7, I figured Team 1 == Team 7 in terms of which one to lynch. Nothing suspicious about a lynch I supported from half a day prior. Exactly, now you admit to my accusation. You switch to team 7 because it’s the easier, fatter target, rather than the one you believe in. | ||
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
Either that or there is a dumb townie. This is by far the Most important development in the game On September 26 2010 10:53 Incognito wrote: Its pretty sad I guessed wrong both times. Night 1 it was between Ace and our team, tonight it was between Pandain/BB and Team 2. Guessed wrong both times and someone died. Actually my fault, since there were slightly more interesting reasons to protect both Ace + Pandain/BB. Not thinking T_T Vrs On September 26 2010 14:20 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: lol seriously? This is ballsy. Alright guys shits on the line now anyway. I am the medic and I have been self protecting every night. So we really have to figure out which person is probably the medic. On September 26 2010 15:28 Infundibulum wrote: 3. Honestly though i'm surprised you counter claimed medic. There was no need for you to play that card so quickly. Generally the mafia can wait and say that the lack of a counterclaim indicates that the claimer is lying. For example, you could have said "Incog is mafia and trying to squirm away from inevitable lynch by claiming medic!", all without claiming yourself. But by counterclaiming you pretty much play out your whole hand. This is a weird defense. Infun is saying that the medic should be like “Oh look there is no counterclaim, obviously infun is medic!” That’s just dumb. The “Pointing out there is no counterclaim” is an incredibly stupid argument for a medic to rely on when straight out counterclaim is so much more stronger. This convinces me that Infun is mafia Fun Fact™ for those who can't decide who's telling the truth: why do you think it was me who asked Korynne if the medic/protected person gets a PM notification? Don't you think that RoL, masquerading as the eager medic, would have wanted to know this important information? Now that Infun pointed this out, I don’t think trying to read if Team 8 is medic is a good idea. Team 8 has probably been planning this claim for a while, planting information for a future defence. + Show Spoiler + Anyone else wana claim medic? | ||
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
Of course this is all from my perspective (assuming I'm green). A big part of me feels like we should just kill team 2 now and let team 6 and team 8 duke it out over who's medic (the more time they have to argue the more obvious the real medic will become). | ||
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
I agree with the duke it out part. But I'm sticking to my vote | ||
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Korynne
Canada990 Posts
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Infundibulum
United States2552 Posts
On September 26 2010 22:27 LSB wrote: This is a weird defense. Infun is saying that the medic should be like “Oh look there is no counterclaim, obviously infun is medic!” That’s just dumb. The “Pointing out there is no counterclaim” is an incredibly stupid argument for a medic to rely on when straight out counterclaim is so much more stronger. This convinces me that Infun is mafia Please stop twisting my posts. My defense is that a mafia fakeclaim of medic at this point in the game makes little to no sense; neither Incog nor I are the types of players to do ballsy moves like that, I don't think anyone who's played with either of us will disagree about that. The town is who's in trouble right now, and there's no need for the mafia to come out and force a "1 team or the other is mafia because of this claim," situation, but that's what RoL did. I'm pointing out that its dumb for RoL to counterclaim because he's the mafia, and by counterclaiming the mafia play the basic trump card - if he wanted he could have easily argued against our claim without counterclaiming first. If RoL was actually a medic, a counterclaim would have been the right thing to do. But he's not the medic, because his claim makes no sense. As my partner pointed out, his claimed protections Night 1 and 2 are not logical and I'd expect better choices of protection from those 2 players. Now that Infun pointed this out, I don’t think trying to read if Team 8 is medic is a good idea. Team 8 has probably been planning this claim for a while, planting information for a future defence. + Show Spoiler + Anyone else wana claim medic? This is implausible from a strategic standpoint. Think for a minute - why would the mafia plan a medic claim from Day 1 when they don't know which roles are in the game? If you are mafia, why go through the trouble just to fake claim medic day 3 (and 'breadcrumb' it day 1 and 2?), running the risk of a real medic coming out and forcing your team into a 1v1 situation? Especially with 2 town deaths already, the risk > reward so much that this can't even be WIFOM. A mafia claiming medic in the way my team did today would have to be playing intentionally poorly. The reason I asked about PM notifications is that there was a lot of talk about medic confirmations and who the medic should protect. Being the medic, knowing whether or not there are PM notifications is pretty important in terms of planning what to do if we make a save, for example. ==== Look, the only thing stopping me from knowing that you're red right now is the fact that you are so obviously defending RoL's counter claim. If RoL dies today you must know you're surely next based on your long and incorrect accusations of my team. Which means you must either be sure you can get my team lynched, or that you are town and genuinely believe that Team 6 is telling the truth. In case of the latter, shame on you :p I wouldn't expect the second mafia team to be so visibly supportive of Team 6 because if Team 6 is lynched today that visible team [your team!] in all likelihood gets axed next day, since my team would be clear, and that's gg for them. I'd expect the mafia team to play like Teams 2 or 3 has been playing during this Day, especially if you, LSB the townie, are doing the dirty work for them. If you're still holding some animosity because we wanted to lynch you Day 1, please get over it and read the recent day or 2 from a neutral perspective. The key points are: 1. If Incog and I are red, this play is really bad from a strategic standpoint 2. RoL's counterclaim was poorly devised; his claims of protecting himself night 1 and 2 simply don't hold up under scrutiny. See Incog's post. 3. Team 1's vocal defense of Team 6 means they are either mafia trying to flat out win today without a backup plan, or that Team 1 is townie caught on the wrong side and the mafia is letting Team 1 do the arguing. This is because if team 6 dies, they will flip red, most heavily implicating Team 1. So if team 6 is lynched today, I implore the town not to immediately jump at the throats of Team 1 because the playstyle of Teams 2 and 3 this Day fits more closely to a mafia profile IMO. | ||
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Infundibulum
United States2552 Posts
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