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On August 06 2010 19:29 Radfield wrote: Yeah, I was planning on taking the Impatient Mason role if I was Town this game. I had a decent plan of action and it would've been super fun for me  I feel like no one is ever going to take Alignment Cop. With a 50% chance of getting a useless role(naive and paranoid), and 3 or 4 other good investigative roles out there, it's just too much to risk your pick on. Also, just a little reminder to everyone. After the draft you will need to PM the role you want to Ace, he's not going to PM you to ask. Last game like 5 of the 20 people didn't choose a role, which made things way harder for town then they needed to be. Thanks for the heads up on that. Do we know the draft order of people before or after role picking. do I say hey I pick [1][1] Godfather do I pick [1][1] find out I am 12th in the list and then say dang I guess the GF role is surely taken being the best townie role possible so I will take the less used DT role? | ||
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On August 07 2010 05:58 Ace wrote: Yea before you pick you'll all get a role PM. The SK will know he/she is bulletproof from the start, assuming he/she reads the role PM ^_^ assumptions can be deadly | ||
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On August 19 2010 03:16 Ace wrote: I'm so tempted to add some other roles to this: Framer to give scum some way of combating potential investigation roles that can't be killed Town Framer would be lulz. Also close to adding a special role called Prince of Darkness that has a 1 shot ability to send the game into 2 consecutive night phases. do eet!!!!!! Really though, sounds awesome.. might force the town to try and grab some lesser roles to stop the mafia from taking them. | ||
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Mafia: 143 Town: 144 Cereal: 117 This was made rating all abilities on a scale of 1-10 regarding there usefulness for each side. The Compulsive Vig being the only role scored differently, is listed as a 15 for Scum and 20 for SK. | ||
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On August 19 2010 07:19 Pandain wrote: So town can pick Godfather as well? hehe. SK Godfather would be beast. I thought so at first, but he already shows innocent to alignment checks so it isn't as useful as I thought, | ||
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On August 19 2010 13:32 DarthThienAn wrote: true story. in that case, i'm ignoring you and going 1/1. :D MWHAHAHAHA while you were all arguing over this I am secretly planning on taking 2/1 since everyone will quickly take first ensuring my spot in first since no one would ever think of this plan. FOOLS!!! | ||
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Are they already predetermined and in a given order, e.g. first doc is week, second is insane . Are they assigned after they are chosen randomly (RNG) Will they be assigned based on how you think it will best balance the game (stronger variants if the town has week roles, weaker variants if they don't Thanks | ||
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On August 20 2010 23:08 DarthThienAn wrote: What does "Vanilla Scum" in my PM mean? jk, where are dem PMs yo  The secret is this game is all about icecream, I got chocolate townie. (Best mafia game ever?) But yeah, I think the post was from ~7 hours ago. | ||
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I don't have an opinion on claiming our numbers yet. I think though it is probably best to hold off until it is thought through (that means holding off on picking your number as well). I have been reading the previous PYP game and hopefully we can learn from it. Town seems to have faired well that game so it is probably a good reference. | ||
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One of the things we really need to decide is how we want to play this round and what information to reveal, Is it better for town to deny powerful roles from the mafia or to get powerful town roles instead. Obviously we will need to balance this out but looking at the extreme ends of things can really help with deciding how we want to do this. Normally Mafia KP is to be 1/10 of total players, in this case it would be 2. and drop down once enough were dead. The game is counting on the mafia getting roles to compensate for this. Meaning if we can deny them the roles they want the town will be almost guaranteed to win. If instead we go for critical town power roles we make it hard for mafia to hide since we can lynch anything anti-town. (framers and GFs etc). and if we coordinate well we have so many blues, that even with their power roles the mafia won't be able to keep up. Now we aren't picking roles yet, just numbers but I wanted to get these ideas out there for town who haven't been able to review the previous game. It will help you in the choices you make this game. | ||
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Alignment cop checks someone, Jack of all Trades also checks same person. We find out whether alignment cop is verified or not. This doesn't work as mafia can get this role too, though we can find out if he is insane etc (or is that what you meant). Headed back to work now, I will be back in a few hours hopefully but I will keep tabs and can post on my break if needed. Yay weekend is almost here. | ||
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On August 21 2010 02:51 Pandain wrote: Elaborate? I agree it should only be used in extreme situations(such as some SK's dead...more blue's not shooting other blue's due to misinformation/guessing) However I do see some potential in such circumstances where we can quickly get vital info. However...if the threat of mafia gets to great or SK's are too rampant or we don't have good roles, than I agree it should never be used. Whoops...that's what I meant. We find out whether he is insane or not. Combine that with darkness(TO BE DECIDED, and if we have compulsive vigi or the such, and even then risky.) and we will have a town circle after the first night. Again, these are ALL ideas. Just commenting on them as we haven't even picked roles yet n.n I guess I can't see where it is ever useful (well maybe 1 but it is so far out there that I don't consider it) to the town.Darkness eliminates a whole day phase, that includes a lynch and discussion. The town always wants more time, but this doesn't do that, it eliminates discussion making it easier for mafia to hide, and eliminates lynches, the only real way town has of killing mafia (except for some possible night roles). How are you ever seeing this used for the towns benefit? The town could always just not reach majority if for some reason we wanted to to waste a lynch (this should be never though) | ||
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Just read through you plan Radfield... not sure how I feel about using percentages for picking roles. I am not sure of its befits, it seems like we would net a lot of vanilla roles from overlap. Maybe it is worth it though. I think we should probably hold off on planning out what roles go where based on draft picks because we are giving the mafia more information than they need. IE mafia can plan to have the spot 4-6 or something knowing that is the section where a certain role goes so they can keep it from being in play. I agree that order doesn't matter too much right now. There is a lot of power in being near the bottom. We just need to think about how to assign roles after the pick rather than before. | ||
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On August 21 2010 08:28 Bill Murray wrote: Also, darth, do you mind taking 2? JeeJee sort of shotguned 1 first, and don't give me any blitz bullshit. I posted 3, don't forget me! When assuredly we will, if the mafia we kill Of the plan, I am a fan The mafia have no class, they can kiss my boot This rhyming stuff is a lot harder than I thought it would be | ||
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Win assuredly we will, if the mafia we kill wow I can't even get 4 lines spelled right. | ||
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On August 22 2010 08:49 ~OpZ~ wrote: yalli'm waiting for the picking to say anything. thanks. I have been thinking about it and actually this is probably the best course of action. The more we plan our actions in this phase the more chance we have a mafia infiltration. I have some ideas on how we should go about role picking but I think we need to wait till the actual picking stage before we plan anything about roles. | ||
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On August 23 2010 11:11 Radfield wrote: If by "random ass roles" you mean the very non-random percentages i've layed out at each spot, then yes. #1 Comp Vig #2 Bad Santa #3 Prince of Darkness #4 33/33/33 CV, Bad Santa or PoD #5 50% Role Cop, 50% Defensive role(Vet, Meth Man, or Bulletproof. 33% chance of each) #6 50% Joat......... 50% Defensive role #7 50% Bullet Bill, 50% Defensive role #8 50% Role Cop, 50% Defensive role #9 50% Joat.........50% Defensive role #10 50% Bullet Bill, 50% Defensive role #11 25% Role Cop, 25% Defensive role, 25% Doctor, 25% role of your choice(not tracker) #12 25% Joat, 25% Defensive role, 25% Doctor, 25% role of your choice(not tracker) #13 25% Bullet Bill, 25% Defensive role, 25% Doctor, 25% role of your choice(not tracker) #14. 50% Tracker, 25% doctor, 25% Copy Cat(recommended) or Other(Alignment Cop, Mason, Martyr, etc.) #15. 50% Tracker, 25% doctor, 25% Copy Cat(recommended) or Other #16. 50% Tracker, 25% doctor, 25% Copy Cat(recommended) or Other #17 50% role cop, 50% other #18 50% Joat, 50% other #19 50% Bullet Bill, 50% other #20 50% tracker, 50% other I had some plans for how we should do role choices but after comparing it to this listing I think this may be the better way to go. My thought was to clump roles into groups and then assign the groups numbers each person would then RNG there group and select from the list based on where in the listing they were at (if you were lower pick the weaker options, higher pick the priority options. I think it would net us les vanilla townies, but it could possibly mean that some of the critical roles got missed. I still think it is viable but losing out on a rolecop might be too big a loss which I feel is why Radfield overemphasized the key roles so much. I think we may get a more vanillas with his plan, but since it is already decided on and it seems like we will be guaranteed to pick up the critical roles we should go with it. | ||
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EBWOP: My thought was to clump roles into groups and then assign the groups numbers. Each person would then RNG a number and select from the group. Based on your location in the picking order you would select the appropriate option. (if you were lower pick the weaker options, higher pick the stronger options.) I think it would net us less vanilla townies, but it could possibly mean that some of the critical roles got missed. I can explain more if anyone would like an alternative to the current plan. There are different benefits based on how the groups are setup and how many options are in each group. I was leaning towards 3 roles a group with checker and defenders in a group to allow for group claiming possibly mafia bating. | ||
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On August 26 2010 00:23 SouthRawrea wrote: One is me :D. I'm quite obviously not going to announce the role. Basically someone picked a role that they were not supposed to pick which I had picked as well. Not a huge deal but possible mafia candidate. So 5 possible people who stole my role D:. I think this actually can help us. It makes the role checker more useful. I think we should have the rolechecker start checking those of us near the top to see who didn't follow the plan and picked roles that they shouldn't have. SR you should have gone with JOAT. I don't know why you are picking something else unless you went with a defensive role, but then there is no reason it wouldn't have been taken before you. The reason I would like those of us in say the top 3-4 checked is that I am worried the mafia may have let a role slip through. And example would be if I took any role other than comp vig. Since I am taking it and no one else is then it would be possible for someone else lower on the ladder to get it. Now the town plan is currently to have a second vote everyday picking who we will vig that night, making it a 2x lynch. or if we abstain then a single lynch. If I don't follow the town vote then you lynch me the next day. If I had let the role drop then all of a sudden the threat of lynching me doesn't stop the mafia from using their KP. The comp vig role would be usable by a hidden mafia. The same hold true for the Prince of Darkness and Bad Santa. The reason they were made to be picked early is that we can lynch them guaranteed if they use there powers. It looks like now that someone let there power slip, and it seems that the most likely reason would be to hide that role with a lower mafia member. Thoughts? The problem I see with this is that maybe a lot more townies didn't follow the plan than we expected. SR already admits to not following the plan, Divinek didn't follow the plan as well. if everyone did there own thing then we may be back at square 1. | ||
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On August 26 2010 00:58 zeks wrote: ^ wasn't that the exact reason why we wanted the 33/33/33 cv/bs/pod for the #4 spot? i'm under the impression most of the top #'s went with the plan with one or two anomalies needless to say those anomalies are likely scum, and i feel strongly that there are scum lurking in the top 8. I agree, but we now have 6 saying he didn't go with the plan and someone else above him didn't go with the plan. so now we know for sure that 1/3 of the people in the top 6 didn't follow then plan. 1 or 2 in 20 might be an anomaly, but now we have 33% of the top 6 players not following the plan. The statement that there is scum in the top 8 though doesn't really mean much since that includes nearly half the players. There is very likely 2 scum in the top 8 and 2 in the bottom 8. Of course scum near the top is most likely more dangerous since better roles are more likely available. Now SR says he took an anti-town role but it was already taken. Obviously it wasn't comp vig, bad santa or PoD. That leaves traitor,Floridian, pardoner, role-blocker, vengeful townie, and maybe a few others I don't remember (KP roles?). why do we have 2 townies trying to grab up these roles? I thought the plan was that we leave them open to make the role cop more useful in finding scum since we lynch those with these roles. It made the town's investigations more powerful. South, mind explaining why you decided to do this? | ||
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Now that we know there is a traitor in the game we know the mafia has 1 more player but there KP doesn't change. Would the town trade a vanilla townie for a mafia on a 1to1 basis? I would say yes definitely. As such if we go with the plan of lynching Hesymer and protecting/checking zeks. If he flips Traitor, we get SR as a confirmed vanilla townie, and we get 1 red (traitor), and we get zeks alignment (possibly 2 confirmed townies day 1 and a red dead) If he flips townie, we then get SR as red (unless the check reveals zeks is traitor then we kill him instead) and we get zeks alignment, and Hesymer being townie also confirms that compvig is in the top 3. We also don't waste a lynch since I can vig him night 2. | ||
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##Vote Hesmyrr | ||
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On August 26 2010 04:04 LSB wrote: (I’ll make a long post on incentives!) So here are the people and their claims so far Chaoser, Subverion Me Hesmyrr: Claims to have RNGed CV and failed Zeks SouthRawrea: Claims to have Picked Traitor and failed Let’s take a look at specific people SouthRawrea Assuming SouthRawrea is town: As town, SouthRawrea would have incentive to immediately tell what happened. It would be perfectly natural. So if he’s town, he’s telling the truth. Assuming SouthRawrea is mafia: This could be a mafia disruption tactic. (see Penalty Mafia, how Bill Murray goes in and acts completely scummy). By sending SouthRawrea, immediately a witchhunt goes on, trying to lynch random people, buying the Mafia valuable time. For example SouthRawrea drafts Prince of Darkness. He’d end up vanilla. He then claims that he drafted traitor but failed. The town would proceed to kill Subverion, Me, Hesmyrr, Chaoser (maybe even Zeks too). And SouthRawrea wouldn’t have trouble persuading the town to kill these “useless anti-town roles”. Boom. That’s a lot of people dead. It would take us 4-5 innocent lynches to take down SouthRawrea, a very good trade off. Like citi.zen said Hesmyrr Out of the top 5, Hesmyrr is the most likely to want to pick Traitor. Because, his role is boring. He is supposed to check to see if Me/Sub/Chao picked the correct role. Probably getting a vanilla role. There is a very small chance that he might make a discovery. On the other hand, he could take traitor, probably won’t be caught, because really, no one will check him. Perfect position. The fact that Hesmyrr could be an undetectable traitor is very troubling. Chaoser, confirmed by Hesmyrr. The chances that Subverion/zeks took his role and Chaoser took traitor is very slim. Subverion: Bad Santa is defiantly an interesting role Zeks: idk Me: PoD ftw! I haz cool role that the mafia wants badly. Muhhahahahaha! What happens if we lynch… SouthRawrea: He flips Mafia, we know that there isn’t a traitor. (Or, there is a traitor, but the mafia doesn’t know about it, and the traitor could be anywhere) Flips town, we know that there is a traitor. Hesmyrr He flips traitor: :D! Flips town: We know that Chaoser is town. Confirming Chaoser: It’s quiet easy to confirm Chaoser, we simply tell the CV “IF you are Chaoser, kill SouthRawrea. IF you are not Chaoser, kill someone else” Confirming Me/Zeks/Subverion. It’s a bad idea to tell us to use our roles. Well, Sub can’t. I’m not dumb, and Zeks should remain hidden. We could have the role cop check on people’s roles. That seems good at a glance, but I don’t know if we want to trade our role cop, for someone that isn’t yet a mafia member and might not count as a mafia member. Good post, but I think you have Chaoser and I mixed up in your list or something. I am comp vig not him. He should have taken bad santa. | ||
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On August 26 2010 04:20 Fishball wrote: Funny Traitor wannabe's, lol. First off, Hesmyrr, we already know that rastaban would choose the CV and should be the CV now. Why would you pick CV in the first place? I don't really get it. As for SouthRawrea, there is always a possibility that he is lying. The only logical motive I could think of if he is either Mafia/SK, is that he is wants to plant a seed of doubt in our top 5 draft picks. However, these roles, if done according to plan, are mainly Mafia aligned roles. Offing these roles doesn't exactly impact town much at all. However if the town pushes hard and goes through that list, then it could work as a decoy and waste our lynches/CV kills. Long shot? Yes. Likeliness? 33% I'd say. Excluding SR himself, and rastaban who should be the CV. These are the people remaining on the list. 2. chaoser 3. LSB 4. Hesmyrr 5. zeks If we are indeed looking to cast a vote among these people, before we make a decision, I suggest everyone should ask themselves a few questions. - Is SR's claim likely to be true? - If yes, is Hesymrr likely to be the Traitor? - If no, who else could likely be the Traitor? Right now, I'm inclined to believe SR's claim, but I'm not entirely sure who could be the Traitor. Although I'm still wanting to hear the reasoning from Hesymrr, why he would pick CV when it was a general consensus that our #1 draft pick should pick it. Here is Hesmyrr's response, the plan was for him to random one of the top 3 roles so it would make sense for him to check that comp vig didn't slip: + Show Spoiler + On August 26 2010 02:43 Hesmyrr wrote: I followed the plan and picked Compulsive Vigilante, it was taken and I am now Vanilla Townie. I am astounded that you quote my post for some completely unknown reason, since I explicitedly said "I picked one of the anti-town roles using RNG generator". I don't know, but I would think one will think I followed my plan and RNG'd for CV/Bad Santa/PoD (anti-town roles) instead of immediately assuming that I took some completely random traitor role. Remember at that junction more than two people were specifically mentioning my name as they stressed the new draft order, that one must alter their role choices accordingly. Therefore I posted for everyone that I did what I needed to do by RNG between the three roles. You immediately follow this statement with assumption about my thinking process that comes out of nowhere, saying "because he would probably believe that his 33% chance of getting a role that's probably already taken is useless"? What benefit does I gain by picking traitor, first, and note that I had consistently agreed about the current town's plan and what I needed to do (#4) was completely necessary for the plan to work. This are the facts: * Someone in #1~3 has taken Compulsive Vigilante. * #4 picked Compulsive Vigilante but it was taken, becomes VT. (in my perspective) * #5 claims to have picked Role Cop/Copycat/Defensive role. * #6 claims to have picked Traitor but it was taken, becomes VT. I see several possibilities here: * A town-aligned player in either #2, 3, or 5 (I don't see much point to mafia picking Traitor) chose to betray the town and picked Traitor. Fortunately if we follow Radfield's plan (medic/rolecop target zeks N1) and no one speaks out tomorrow possibility of #5 will be eliminated since zeks will be confirmed townie. I would actually have Alignment cop investigate zeks also for day 1 for this reason to find out his sanity. * #6 is mafia-aligned or traitor, and is lying. Meh, even to me it seems unlikely. Mislynch d1 for one mafia members is honestly not worth the trade, though if #6 really in fact take traitor role I can see he trying to frame me for 1 vs 1 trade. The thing is I, being #4 spot, am in fact not that good a choice for traitor to emerge yet- to counterclaim town PR role is much better way of utilizing the role, which is why I think above possibility is more likely. | ||
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Also if he flips town he confirms my role as CV. Also to the earlier posts about wasting lynches, I will NK south tomorrow if Hesmyrr isn't traitor so we don't lose anything. | ||
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On August 26 2010 04:38 citi.zen wrote: Here's another thought: the mafia can perhaps find it more advantageous to make some crazy claims if they use the vengeful player. That way there is a chance we mis lynch base on the wrong information, AND when we do catch on they get another kill. I don't actually think SR did this, but I am saying it's a possibility in this set-up. I agree, unlikely but if we let me vig him tomorrow then he can't do this and the worst that could happen is he is a red meth man and town loses the comp vig but kills a red power role. | ||
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On August 26 2010 04:45 bumatlarge wrote: And why would hesmyr being town confirm rastaban as town? Wouldnt that jst be confirming him as comp vig? Maybe im missing a step, I follow the zeks confriming though. Anyway, lynch hesmyrr kill south if not a traitor sounds reasonable. ##unvote divinek ##vote Hesmyrr You are correct, I think the only way that it would slightly confirm me is if Hess was green and sub was red and and I shot him night 2. Even then it would only be partial and not 100%. Lynching Hess only confirms my role, which is actually very important as town since we need to be able to control it. | ||
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On August 26 2010 04:55 Pandain wrote: Only some problems and random speculation, just to make sure we're not doing the wrong thing. Lets go with 2 kills a day from SK and 1 from mafia. Going with 4 mafia and 2 SK's, lets see 13 already We lynch hesmyrr(12) Rasta vigis SR, but he is bulletproof (9) We try to lynch SR, mafia pardons him Night, mafia role blocks vigi (6) We lynch SR(finally) Night, mafia role blocks vigi (4)(to 3 mafia) we lynch someone, mafia wins no matter what(unless SK hits both mafia, which they'll have to guess. They'll try of course.) That's the worst case scenario I could think of. And even that can be settled for example by behind the scenes things such as role cop and joat. add even more uncertainty due to the fact SK could kill mafia. Remember, that's the worst case scenario. As of now, I...I think we should lynch Hesmyrr. The only other thing I'm worried about is that we may have to use bullet bill/rolecop to settle this. We NEED to be using those to figure out who is mafia/sk. I'm just so unsure now... thoughts? WHOA WHOA WHOA, where are you getting 2 SKs?? There is no way this game has 2 SKs, that is way too much night KP on top of comp vig. Also I can't shoot tonight, so my first shot will be tomorrow night after that days lynch. so only 2 people die tonight (mafia SK) unless they are blocked. If mafia pardons him then I sk who ever pardons him and we lynch him the next day. | ||
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If mafia pardons him then I NK who ever pardons him and we lynch him the next day. | ||
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On August 26 2010 05:15 Pandain wrote: Wait... you can't shoot tonight? If so, what does that mean about the next days lynch. We can't just kill SR tonight then. -.- correct, I will NK him tomorrow night if hess is green and we can lynch whoever else we want for that days lynch. | ||
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On August 26 2010 06:00 Radfield wrote: I feel like some people are assuming SR has an equal chance of being mafia or town. In my eyes, SR is far more likely town then mafia, which means there is likely a traitor in the top 5 players. Also, given that we likely have 5 anti-town players in the game, odds are there is also probably either a mafia or SK in those top 5 players as well. Not to mention that there is little risk of players 1-4 being good pro-town roles. Therefore, it seems a no-brainer to lynch one of the first 4 players. Seems highly likely that Rastaban is the CV, unless both him and Hesmyrr are lying(Hesmyrr went for CV). Since CV is not a threat if we know where it is, he's off the list. That leaves picks 2-4. The most dangerous player there right now is pick #3. If LSB is mafia, and took PoD according to the plan(which he likely would if mafia), then chances are he will use it tonight. With all the focus being on picks 2-4, there is a very good chance he will get found out in the next day or so. Hence, if mafia, he will use the power tonight. What I'm saying here, is that if we accept that picks 2-4 are equally likely to be the traitor, then we should lynch pick 3, solely for the additional reason that if mafia, he is extremely dangerous, and will likely use his power tonight(so time is of the essence on the lynch). Thoughts? Well I think at the very least we need a plan for me since we won't get a vote on who I should hit if we don't get another day phase.. hmmm actually if that occurs we can still talk during night phase, I assume, so it won't matter we can vote then and I can just hit #3 with my hit if it happens. | ||
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On August 26 2010 21:22 zeks wrote: I was never sold on the fact that PoD is a pure anti-town role. I mean sure its two night phases we skip a lynch (most of the time we lynch one of our own) and mafia gets 2 kills - but doesn't it also give our town roles more chances to act? (ie. cops get double the checks) We'd also have more information going into the next day to make a more educated lynch. It's just essentially a no lynch don't see how it can give scum a big advantage which is what people have been suggesting. Having said that I am against a no lynch tonight just cause I think its imminent to nab the traitor Well it is a no lynch and 48 hours of discussion lost. At least in a no lynch you learn what wanted the no lynch and get some voting patterns. I don't see how you could not realize that it is incredibly bad. Here is what we have barring medics and extra NKs: 19 - 1 (day vig) 18 - 3 (lynch, SK, Mafia) 15 - 4(lynch, SK, Mafia, Me) 11 - 4(lynch, SK, Mafia, Me) 7 Thats right we have 3 lynches and 2 comp vig kills to nab mafia or SK before we run out of time. That means we have to nab mafia in one of those 5 hits (OR the SKs) or we can't win the vote. Now I agree it is likely we will but, to pretend like a no lynch or Prince of Darkness isn't a pure mafia role is terrible miscalculation. 19 - 1 (day vig) 18 - 6 (lynch, SK, Mafia, SK, Mafia, Me) 12 - 4(lynch, SK, Mafia, Me) 8 See while it seems funny that the day vig killed BM because he tends to spam post or you might find him annoying it, this is why Radfield I believe pushed so hard for town not to take KP roles. That 1 extra KP puts us at instant lose if no mafia die by second lynch if PoD activates. Please stop trying to find ways to use the PoD, its ONLY use is to help mafia. if it activates, we kill them end of story. @Opz, this is also why role cop was considered so good. If town took 0 KP roles then when RC found one we could lynch them, it also made BB able to lynch when he found a gun since it was mafia. Since we now have the day vig claiing to be town, and possibly others this method isn't as sure fire, because BB will find he has a gun just like he finds mafia have a gun. RC sees him with a KP role, that we left to go to mafia. | ||
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On August 26 2010 14:12 Pandain wrote: Ha! You think that's tough? I had all my teeth pulled out while I was still awake. It was all in 10 minutes, one a minute. Then they took out my fingernails and forced all the yanked teeth as replacements. *cue next 1 up* Anyway, I just want everyone to remember that its 10 for majority lynch. So, I think we should think it out before auto-lynching him. Not saying we won't, just have to think about it. That story ain't nothin. EBWOP (for readability): See while it seems funny that the day vig killed BM because he tends to spam post or you might find him annoying it, this is why Radfield pushed so hard for town not to take KP roles. That 1 extra KP puts us in an instant lose if no mafia die by second lynch and the PoD activates. Please stop trying to find ways to use the PoD, its ONLY use is to help mafia. If it activates, we kill whoever it is end of story. | ||
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On August 27 2010 18:05 ~OpZ~ wrote: And no, that wasn't a soft blue/green claim, I followed the plan, I just know someone low on the totem pole had to of picked alignment cop. Makes sense to add as much detective power as possible. It's an important role, as much as radfield tried to diss it. The issue I have with the alignment cop, is that is is a role with only a 33% chance of working when you get it due to the three sanities. Of course if someone already has it then yes, they definitely should be trying to learn their sanities. I would actually recommend checking SR since according to plan he is the next one to be lynched. | ||
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On August 27 2010 22:16 citi.zen wrote: Be careful telling blues what to do, that can easily be used by the mafia using watcher or some other role I haven't thought of. It's important we say who we find suspect, but from there the blues need to draw their own conclusions, not be directed to specific targets this early on. Remember, the watcher is actually a horrible role this game. Even if they watched someone we investigated they would only know how many people visited him. The biggest worry I have is the mafia trying to target people as we investigate them, which would keep us from building up a group of confirmed innocents. On the other hand if you are the alignment cop you don't know what your sanity is so the faster your first target dies and help confirm it the better (the reason why we want them to target someone who will probably die tomorrow). | ||
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On August 27 2010 23:21 ~OpZ~ wrote: I'm not lynching SR, just because he's retarded. Role cop is to check above him, and that should suffice. Comp vig can hit him night 2 if it's gotta be that way. Thats fine, when I say lynch I am actually referring to both the lynch and/or my comp vig kill since both will be voted on by the so it suffices as a second lynch. | ||
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If he is town, then we know we know we have a doctor, and he isn't naive, of course he could be vet/bulletproof but that is kind of unlikely. The other interesting thing is that Subversion flipped Vanilla, This is good news, looking at this list from radfield:
We know he tried to grab a role in the top 6, and mafia can't use Traitor so we can eliminate that 1 which means he went for one of these 4 roles.
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Nice catch on him being serial killer. The earlier he dies the more time we have to catch mafia. Also, I haven't seen any votes yet for who I should hit tonight so Let me know what you all think. Personally I think I should shoot SR, but only if Zeks doesn't flip traitor. | ||
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On August 30 2010 05:21 Divinek wrote: i think it is assumed lsb is the target, but id be more than happy with BB meeting that bullet if he's not getting mod killed This is correct, LSB has the most votes so I sent in the hit, but SR is neck and neck. I will be checking close to daybreak in case there is a voting change for some reason. I still think we should be looking at hitting SR to confirm the there is a traitor. If SR is the traitor I think he will have done his part if we kill this many before hand. That said us lynching the SK is great. It adds time until LYLO and we now no everyone anti-town is a mafia. | ||
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I got a PM stating that I was roleblocked so my hit didn't go through.  Due to a death in the family (not mine) some training that I am required to take was moved to this week and will be taking place at 6:from about 9-6PM (CST) for today and the next 2 days. I won't have access during that time. I will be checking when I get off work, just I won't be able to follow the thread throughout the day. | ||
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I meant day the daybreak that got postponed and not the actual lynch | ||
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##Vote SouthRawrea Glad to see we are finally fulfilling Hesmyrr's dying wish, by lynching him. | ||
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On September 01 2010 08:12 Pandain wrote: Glad to see you back Rastaban. You going to be on so you can follow the plan this time  Sorry about the death btw . So JeeJee you going to vote SR? Sorry I'm getting so spammy here I just want the game to end quicky lol. Yes, is there a question I should be answering? I just read back through but didn't notice anything in particular pointed at me. | ||
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On September 02 2010 10:47 LSB wrote: Okay, I'll claim right now, I am the compulsive vigilntee. I accidentally picked the wrong role. I'm very insecure and I didn't want you guys to think I was not able to read the list correctly. To my suprise, I actually recieved the role! First Night I decided to try to kill Rasta (Since he claimed), it didn't work since he was medic protected. This night I decided to try to kill Rasta again... but my, that little guy, he was medic protected again o.o ##VOTE: Rastaban Cause he's the traitor Ahw, look at how the vermin squirm when caught in a trap. I shot Chaoser last night as requested. | ||
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I am working on a post regarding a Mafia member I have found. I started on it yesterday, so it is pretty long. I also needed to wait until after today since I have been working crazy shift and without Internet access for most of the day, And wanted to be able to answer any questions when I post it. ##Vote LSB | ||
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On August 21 2010 11:58 Divinek wrote: i agree im not claiming my numbers wtf. Besides liking the excitement of the draft it doesnt do anything. Mafia can easily overlap if they want, or have just been the first person to say 1! 2! or 3 etc blah blah. On August 22 2010 08:41 Divinek wrote: the 8 people who havent claimed do not have to be mafia, obviously. The mafia could simply claim in the thread? what's to stopping them, why does it matter. The draft list is going to be made public ffs, it's stupid to just go by our subjective list we've made up ourselves when the mob could be the top 4/3 whatever many of them there are. On August 22 2010 08:48 Divinek wrote: i have a very pro town reason for not announcing my number though, which shall be explained if you guys keep with this silly draft list What is this Reason??? On August 23 2010 11:01 Divinek wrote: MISSION ACCOMPLISHED On August 23 2010 11:05 Divinek wrote: LOL that's exactly what i did, exactly i picked 6,2 as well Hmm Number picks are kept and followed, is this his great reason that he was to reveal for saying his pick??? On August 23 2010 11:07 Divinek wrote: so according to your plan radfield do us guys down here just try to take random ass roles and hope for the best? On August 23 2010 11:14 Divinek wrote: ah silly me i thought sinq was quoting your post and wondered why it didnt go down beyond 13 or whatever, thanks for posting it again On August 23 2010 11:28 Divinek wrote: http://www.randomnumbergenerator.com/ can take like 1-100 or 1-10 and 1-5 is first role, 6-10 is second role, or flip a coin etc etc On August 24 2010 06:21 Divinek wrote: that was my one true hope as well going into this draft On August 24 2010 07:01 Divinek wrote: oh dont worry i stuck to the plan, even after the draft list changed i re RNG'd my role Here he claims he stuck with the plan. This is obviously a lie since he took a role with a gun, so now he shows as having a gun plausibly to the bullet bill and role cop would have seen day vig which meant we were suppose to lynch hum On August 24 2010 08:26 Divinek wrote: oh ffs changed again mentions that the order changed but not that he would no longer be following the plan On August 24 2010 09:22 Divinek wrote: cite penalty mafia last game, jeeeeeeesus i thought we were doomed with him on mafia i would be okay with it too, especially for a day1 Already building cover for a day 1 hit. On August 25 2010 11:39 Divinek wrote: kill: bill murray well now that's out of the way lets get this show on the road He opens the town by killing a townie, and everyone is ok with it.... On August 25 2010 11:53 Divinek wrote: have you ever seen bill play. This is like the most pro town thing possible on day 1, it had to be done Here is his excuse to which I direct you to these insightful words that ver shared with us: " A point that will be emphasized continuously is the necessity to differentiate between mafia and bad townie play. You can't just lynch people and when they pop green excuse yourself by saying 'oh they were anti-town anyways.' The goal is to kill mafia, period. " And that is exactly what Divinek did, in fact it was a lynch for bad play in previous games. Also allow me to share this gem from his previous game: + Show Spoiler + On August 14 2010 08:34 Divinek wrote: yeah seriously, why on earth would you pop a vigi shot without any evidence of someone being scum. Wasting a vig hit is the same as wasting a lynch you don't want to do it. All using a vig hit does, if you miss hit, which is more likely than a hit given no sure fire proof, is confirm someone as town. Confirming one person as town gets us alot less close to a mafia considering missing a vig hit and killing a second townie in one night leads to bad stuffs. At least this is how i feel about it. I would hope that sounds reasonable to at least some of you non reds out there. Especially since it was publicly announced how the vig has to restrict his targets, reds could easily not vote for that person, or if they had already voted for someone else/abstained just keep it that way and then guarantee a double kill Such double play, he calls someone on what he did saying it wasn't worth it just to confirm someone, but then he does it without even that additional benefit. On August 25 2010 11:55 Divinek wrote: i was partly hoping he would have some role that wasnt as dangerous, that the copycat could get. But really i just wanted to kill him. But ill take any bonus we can get. The bonus here he mention could have backfired terribly if instead BM had had a more useful role, there was not planning in this case to specifically remove a weak townie to void the copycat role. On August 25 2010 12:29 Divinek wrote: why was he such a good lynch target? What does he ever do day 1 besides suggest retarded plans that can screw the town over. Why bother wasting a lynch on someone you know we'll have to kill because of his play style. Why risk a repeat performance of pyp On August 25 2010 12:51 Divinek wrote: i think you drastically underestimate how anti town bm can be just by existing On August 25 2010 13:58 Divinek wrote: he was originally supposed to be banned from this game On August 25 2010 15:06 Divinek wrote: yeah lets lynch a townie on day 1! excellent town play bum. I could say anyone who hasn't posted since day began would be a better lynch. Or maybe even you for voting for me because you STILL want to get me wagon'd. I know you're game and i wont let you take me down that easy. If i really wanted to stay alive why on earth would i kill BM, why would i do that as mafia. Hm i could see a case for it as sk, but still it draws too much attention to me and such. This townie will go down fighting. yay , i do it for all the people that this actually made happy. I mean i look out for #1, and it made me most happy, but i like to share.Hero fishball, joy to be playing my first game with you Here we have Fishball, a long time player (who should know better) gladly congratulating Divinek for this play when it was one of the most anti-town moves possible. On August 26 2010 09:24 Divinek wrote: well im getting those vibes from them too. Not just cause bum voted for me either, he just always tries to push for my lynch. But he tries to make the posts he does when he is mafia. He was convinced i was a vanilla townie and still wanted to lynch me, like wtf that is not part of the win condition and does not provide town with any info except i was a wreckless person who wanted to kill bm cmon you're lying if you arent happy he died at least a little. pandain well, pandain is just that way since he's 14 years old. I think he comes off as scummy even when he doesn't mean to. This is not a real reason to dismiss him though since he can of course come off as scummy when he is in fact scum as well! sadly i doubt we could put any real pressure on these two with solid justifcation (as far as votes go, today), but they are good targets for our PR's that can give us info or something. But i do like opz's heart! he always knows what's going on. anyways im definitely behind your idea on using those two roles on those two players what do others think? ill probably hold onto my vote cuz majority, would it be wrong to use bum as a place holder because my net has been dodgy cause im tempted as far as the actual matter at hand, im having a hard time landing on either of our potential targets to be a better choice than the other. Going off reads based more on reason that is at least. Hesmyrr certainly seems more reasonable, but im definitely down for lynching someone from this selection because i have a feeling we'll find out more info as we pick apart these roles from the weird shit that's been going on. at least i hope On August 26 2010 10:47 Divinek wrote: well if it helps i felt you played bad either way On August 26 2010 11:18 SiNiquity wrote: Someone mentioned we could use role cop to check Zeks. How does said role cop exonerate Zeks without giving himself away? On August 26 2010 13:51 Divinek wrote: seriously can we ask for a real explanation or can we put a big radar onto this post wtf On August 27 2010 08:38 Divinek wrote: oh we reached majority right before i got home well then my vote doesnt matter where it goes but i dun wanna be mod killed i wonder how many out of the 6 that didnt vote are scum ##vote hesmyrr Here I am confused, why throw suspicion on those who hadn't voted yet when he was one of them. It seems to me like a red feeling guilty for somewthing none had called them on. It is majority lynch, or course there were people who hadn't voted yet. On August 27 2010 12:26 Divinek wrote: or someone for example, above you, could flip with the traitor role. if you are townie why would you want us to lynch you that's just so bad.... On August 27 2010 13:18 Divinek wrote: you'd know that from experience right lol, gotta learn from our pasts! why? wtf how could you possibly be so sure On August 27 2010 14:19 Divinek wrote: i liked the idea of tracking or bb'ing bum, but id be happy with getting tracked nothing to hide :D On August 28 2010 08:37 Divinek wrote: why would you tell them you're vanilla oh my god jasoifsjeiorjs hey look someone for the mafia NOT TO KILL why did you even sign up for this game if you have no time, you never seem to, it's seriously annoying Another mafia favorite tactic, calling out inactivity in others. This works great since they don't have to actually do any analysis (work) to incriminate people. On August 28 2010 10:12 Divinek wrote: woah lol sick, who can kill night one? and good job medic! or vet or something, who took a hit? Why is he fishing for roles like this, hoping to know who blocked his hit? On August 28 2010 10:13 Divinek wrote: ah it was the joat i think? well done why toss out Joat now... On August 28 2010 10:47 Divinek wrote: of course you wouldn't roleclaim that would be retarded it's perfectly fine to say who took the hit because MAFIA KNOW, so we might as well know too, ya dig? so good on zeks for actually telling us i totally forgot the sk existed, nice sniping by him even though he's the enemy On August 28 2010 10:57 Divinek wrote: who took a hit =/= please role claim who took a hit = who took a hit??? everytime you say fadoodle im regretting choosing bm On August 29 2010 09:31 Divinek wrote: 1. rasta: he cant kill someone to confirm, unless we had a way of notifinh rasta and only rasta. If we tell 'him' who to hit then the other person who might have CV would obviously hit since they'd be scum buddies so no that does not clear him 2. correct cant confirm pod, because it'd be retarded for him to use his ability lol. And you can hardly confirm yourself either, but atleast you can give us rationale and we can pick that apart i got the same feeling actually, not based on his history but just his posting tendancies in general and the point of his posts. Please others keep your eyes on this sneaky scoundrel! what the blue fuck are you talking about there is no way 4 completely unrelated people visited him all on the same night. The only believable scenarios are 4 mafia attacked him and converted him or he blocked or 1 doctor saved him and 3 mafia attacked him cuz 1 rb'er wouldnt bring the rest of the mob with him on a rb I THOUGHT WE AGREED IT'S RETARDED FOR HIM TO CLAIM why in the shit would he claim, that only makes it more obvious to the mafia what he is and what they can avoid what benefit does it give us what role he tells us. He can easily claim protection but it doesnt make sense and there's no way in fuck he's a vet. And it's dumb cuz he's not gonna claim bp if he didnt get it because there's no way no one else didnt try to get that. So what ever he does claim it doesnt matter, all it does is give mafia more info if he's actually telling the truth... gotta go to dinner damn, ill catch up on the rest after ! On August 29 2010 11:01 Divinek wrote: i was quoting as i went faggot said i had to leave mid post had i read the other stuffs i woulda deleted it, or left it to agitate you sadly i must leave again but i must say DONT YOU START SAYING THAT WORD TOO SOUTH, pleaaaaaaase dont seriously what do other people think of fishball On August 29 2010 13:23 Divinek wrote: what the fuck i seriously hope so too, unless pandain is also secretly a detective on top of a pardoner. also yay randy! oh majority then hmm ##vote ace On August 29 2010 16:12 Divinek wrote: i was going to suggest checking our CV/BS maybe but that seems silly, because the only thing it could confirm is that they didnt follow the plan. Cause if they're mafia and passed it down to their buddies, yeah... it really sucks the sk had to get role cop, At least he actually shared with us, im assuming by his list that means he checked bb? But he only had time for one check and has checked fishball, so is that just his opinion then im assuming? because i don't believe bb is town at all. Not that it's exactly easy with his 1 every cycle posts apologizing for why hes' NEVER here On August 29 2010 16:17 Divinek wrote: by bb i mean brown bear lol sorry also pandain why must you lie so much On August 30 2010 05:21 Divinek wrote: i think it is assumed lsb is the target, but id be more than happy with BB meeting that bullet if he's not getting mod killed On August 30 2010 08:53 Divinek wrote: im all for extending so i can actually try to contribute before night ends. I keep wanting to make witty 1 liners on the few minutes of a time that i have but i do so enjoy big posts On August 31 2010 08:23 Divinek wrote: can you tell me why im setting off bells for you, instead of just throwing around random suspicion. You can't have some cookie cutter mold of what a mafia player is supposed to be like, every person is different and does different things for different reasons. I feel like im being too quiet but i really have nothing to contribute, i totally agree with who you have chosen for the following actions bar something crazy happening. I'm glad at least darth and radfield have an accurate read on me. But this could naturally be because one of them has too much information! It's hard to get motivated to look into people too heavily when it's practically already decided on who is to die. At least for now that is. too much drama here, but it does certainly set off some bells of mine. Drama seems to lead to one of the dramees being on the wrong side, at least most of the time On August 31 2010 08:39 Divinek wrote: i think it's safe to assume there is no roleblocker since no one has claimed to have been roleblocked? Or did i some how miss something like that.. On August 31 2010 10:41 Divinek wrote: well the idea of the game is to give your own original input! where do you think we should go! i really just wanna see what rasta has to say first On August 31 2010 11:42 Divinek wrote: now im just excited to hear from rasta, hoping he's not red by some freak accident On September 01 2010 08:38 Divinek wrote: even though we've practically assured our lynch, im gonna write ya'll a small novel today On September 01 2010 08:42 Divinek wrote: woah i just was starting up and saw this "#2 Chaoser --- Likely Bad Santa, list of Elfs: Radfield, Sinliquidy, Citi.zen, Opz, Bumatlarge" does that mean he 'confirmed' those people, under the assumption that he's town aligned? On September 01 2010 09:32 Divinek wrote: i never like ending someone's life without fully understanding why but if you wanna be on my balls about it ##vote SR He admits that he doesn't have a reason to lynch SR, but he is going to anyway because of town pressure. This sounds like a mafia how is trying to find a reason to cast a vote so they can point to it later and say, Hey look I voted because you all wanted me to. Townplayers tend to stick to their convictions since they don't have as much to lose. On September 01 2010 10:01 Divinek wrote: well if you believe south you surely believe that one of the top 3 is a traitor, can we lynch chaoser to confirm his list? that would be sooooooo helpful to my shizz going on right now, because im working under the assumption he's green + all his elfs, which is too large of the portion of the game to trust on assumption alone On September 01 2010 10:20 Divinek wrote: Well you must remember the goal of this game is to lynch mafia. NOT townies, we do not lynch for information, we lynch to kill mafia. If you are not mafia you should not be lynched. Needlessly killing a townie ends the game 1 day sooner if we're fucking up. Besides the way you're acting in certain death certainly damn near clears you! I'd be fine with you dying but i really would rather kill a mafia, damn do i want chaoser to die to confirm that list. That would be niiiiiiice. " Well you must remember the goal of this game is to lynch mafia. NOT townies, we do not lynch for information, we lynch to kill mafia. If you are not mafia you should not be lynched. Needlessly killing a townie ends the game 1 day sooner if we're fucking up. " LOL, what is up with this, he is the one who randomly killed a townie day one, who is he to spout platitudes on who to hit. This post is such a 180 from his play it is laughable. On September 01 2010 10:25 Divinek wrote: it's hardly good information, it confirms a traitor in the top 3. It doesnt really lead us to any mafia, what if you guys are working together? It wouldn't make sense if you were. Your reasoning makes no sense at all for a mob member, you can't be mafia or you're brain dead. We aim to lynch mafia, not fucking townies. " We aim to lynch mafia, not fucking townies. " so very true and here it is repeated again. Sounds like Tree.hugger upbraiding the town for lynching pandain when he was really red. Mafia love to use these little catch phrases to seem more town. On September 01 2010 10:49 Divinek wrote: i dont let wifom arguments circle overhead, i go with what rationale makes the most sense and always go with the idea that someone isnt going deeply into some preconceived meta that might be anticipated, it's less convoluted that way. like i said im cool with you dying, but if you're a townie id much rather kill a mafia dude. Sure you might be 'useless' now, but we still have your vote! Hell man im useless now that i used my power, but im writing a novel to hopefully contribute something to town. im gonna keep mentioning how i want to kill chaoser to confirm his list " im gonna keep mentioning how i want to kill chaoser to confirm his list " Here is where we get into such a blatant difference from his actual play and what he says. The last three posts are calling out for lynching on reason, and only lynching mafia. And those things are great and correct, but his very next post is, him saying lets lynch Chaoser for information. No reasons on why he thinks he is red, but just so he can confirm the list. This is perhaps the biggest slip up he makes continually saying one thing while pushing for another. On September 01 2010 11:06 Divinek wrote: it'd be great if someone could just pop him tonight CV, joat, whatever else can kill something Here he still pushes for something 180 degrees opposite of what he has been saying. On September 01 2010 11:13 Divinek wrote: they could try but if this is our plan surely we'll be trying to protect someone from that list, and there's probably a meth man and maybe other defensive roles in there. If we kill chaoser we basically confirm like 1/4 to 1/3 of the remaining players, id say that's useful it's better than going oh well we lynch a guy so we know there's a traitor in the top 3, now we KNOW these people are 100% on our side so we can believe all they say, all their claims, THIS IS SO USEFUL, and we'll obviously protect our most powerful roles from that list. They can pop vanillas all they want rofl still continuing to push for lynching for information, rather than who is most likely scum. On September 01 2010 11:43 Divinek wrote: rofl looks like we caught ourselves a mafia! im still posting my novel of analysis On September 01 2010 13:57 Divinek wrote: hey speaking of useless fucks ill take out an exert from my novel on you Basically im going through suspicious people and trying to rate them on their contribution to town, now while scum could have contributed heavily to town this is a fun place to start. And brown bear was in easy in this category rofl Brown Bear: Should be: Vanilla, #11 25% Role Cop, 25% Defensive role, 25% Doctor, 25% role of your choice(not tracker) doesn't say why it's not smart, just doesn't wanna say ya know. I think it didnt really matter but whatever. This post didnt help town AT ALL. So he's honest here if he really did pick 20,20. seems likely, guess this helps town sorta? not really meaningful blah blah blah blah wow spam HEY LETS MENTION SHIT FROM LAST GAME lets seeee what happens, lets not do anything productive lets seeee what happens. This isnt productive this is anti town. He just said he read the thread, nothing good came from that though just a feeling with no evidence. blah blah more bullshit apologizing, wow that's helpful interesting how this isnt how things turned out at all, and opz is fairly green in the eyes of our so sayer pandain. And our fellow logicians. This is the first post he's made that really says anything, and it doesnt say much. He doesnt share his feelings he's like OKAY LETS DO THIS, im gonna copy what other people say and say it like that's my idea, isnt that great! Pro town factor: 0, CAN WE KILL THIS JOKER YET? Here is the thing I want you to look at this post from an earlier game. + Show Spoiler + On August 12 2010 17:29 Divinek wrote: ok so i am extremely inebriated, but i wont be on until just after dead line, or maybe just before if i drive fast cause of work so this will be my vote/justification until then lets look at young's amazing contribution to the game thus far woooooooooooooooooooo spam states what happened, asks a question, answers question. HI-larious enablers exist in mafia, and they seem somewhat reasonable in this set up as long as you dont publicly admit you are an enabler as such, because how else would anyone ever know. I dont see how it fucks with the balance anymore than something like a tree stump. It does seem like kind of a weird thing to go with a vigi, but not unreasonable? I dunno i think he might be lying bout vigi tos ave his own ass WAIT, im digressing! This post REEKS of confusion. Just asks 2 questions, without really putting anything forward, typical fanning flames play. Typical mafia not wanting to put anything forward but suspicion on someone else well that is what it is, could have gotten that from his mafia pm or something policy lynch wooooooooooooo, nothing to tie him to the person if that person should flip anything but red. It has also been justified that lynching bm is stupid because he'll die to delicious JUSTICE if he is lying about his role, and if he's not we need to let him live to use it SHIZA, so to sumarrize this, that doesnt look right, summarize YOUNGMINII hasnt contributed ANYTHING since the game started so that scum fuck is getting my vote because that's the best case i can come up with, im pretty sure this would be my vote even if i was not under the influence of substances so my fellow citizens, and even my fellow citi.zens. I URGE you to consider the case I have presented you, if you believe play like this doesnt deserve a lynch, or at least intense scrutiny, then what the fuck is wrong with you. cheers ##vote youngminii i hope i spelled his name right because i ilke spelling names right, but im sure our host will know good night gahh In the spoilered post DivineK was red. Both rely on the key factor of claiming the other person spams a lot or their posts have no content, while he himself is not providing any content on why they should be lynched. Here is the current game summary: + Show Spoiler + This is the first post he's made that really says anything, and it doesnt say much. He doesnt share his feelings he's like OKAY LETS DO THIS, im gonna copy what other people say and say it like that's my idea, isnt that great! Pro town factor: 0, CAN WE KILL THIS JOKER YET? And his Mafia game summary: + Show Spoiler + YOUNGMINII hasnt contributed ANYTHING since the game started so that scum fuck is getting my vote because that's the best case i can come up with, im pretty sure this would be my vote even if i was not under the influence of substances so my fellow citizens, and even my fellow citi.zens. I URGE you to consider the case I have presented you, if you believe play like this doesnt deserve a lynch, or at least intense scrutiny, then what the fuck is wrong with you. cheers ##vote youngminii i hope i spelled his name right because i ilke spelling names right, but im sure our host will know good night gahh Both of these urge for us to kill someone for lack of contribution. The problem is this isn't when we are early game looking for in actives, but later when every vote counts. On September 02 2010 08:41 Divinek wrote: OH SURE YOU GO WITH THAT but you dont even acknowledge the analysis i did on how fucking useless and not helping town this scum bastard has been all game. Yes we should lynch him What analysis, all he did was call him out for inactivity. Do some real analysis so we have a reason to believe it. On September 02 2010 11:55 Divinek wrote: Radfield, Sinliquidy, Citi.zen, Opz, Bumatlarge are the confirmed people now so i trust you entirely, what is it we are going to think about? I'm all for thinking though! On September 02 2010 13:29 Divinek wrote: well i think bb is pretty much a shoe in and since ill eliminate myself but even if you dont wanna believe that then it's what Darth, fish/pandain? im confused with pandain because he's lied alot lol, which makes no sense for a townie to do in his position. But why would a mafia lie about something so silly as well, doing dumb shit like pardoning when he knows it wont work then lying about how it didnt go through blah blah This is where we were when I started writing this last night. I think it is fairly obvious that his play style this game matches his game where he was mafia. He has been playing with what seems to be a hidden agenda, spouting verbally the right things but in practice pushing for the opposite. Only scum have a reason to try and make people think they believe one thing while they act in another method. While townies might make mistakes and do moves that are not pro-town at times they will act in unison with their thoughts since they aren't playing from a deception point of view. I Leave you with these quotes here from his previous game as Mafia: On August 19 2010 09:13 Divinek wrote:..."was good fun watching the town kill itself though. God the amount of times i chainsaw, well not even chainsaw as much as just deflecting the flames, defended bm this game was ridiculous, though i tried real hard to be indirect about it. Thank god no one points that kind of stuff out."... AND Look at the hits night 1 hit, they went for RoleCop by using the plan put forward. I will also List the previous game posts in case you would like to confirm what I am saying. | ||
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I don't want you to take my word for it as only my role, not alignment, so far has been confirmed. I want you to make your own decision on this. I didn't want to post this last lynch either (also because it wasn't done) because we had an obvious scum and I didn't want the waters muddied and him to slip away. I might be wrong about him, so this will help all of us understand his motives and possibly find something I missed. I want to hear from DivineK on this, it would be nice to see his reasoning behind some of the instances where he is clearly saying one thing but doing another. + Show Spoiler + On August 08 2010 10:52 Divinek wrote: im confused as to what a safe penalty claim is even supposed to be. A safe penalty almost sounds like an oxymoron to me but i guess we dont get alot of info, this is the first like uh not standard game ive played since starting here so i hope it shall be fun and this is me saying hi ----------------------- On August 08 2010 12:18 Divinek wrote: i was expecting more spam than that from bm --------------------------- On August 08 2010 15:34 Divinek wrote: oh god this is the best penalty ever rofl you're such a saint hesmyrr -------------------------------------- On August 08 2010 15:40 Divinek wrote: i think it would be far too broken if he had even one of the mafia members given to him maybe he has a partial list of confirmed townies or something and he's voting for ace since he's not on that list? or maybe he's just being a dick since he cant talk ------------------------------ On August 08 2010 16:16 Divinek wrote: it's so hard to speculate things because bm is always weird and there's like an infinite possibility for things you can or cannot do based on what could be given out isnt there ------------------------- On August 09 2010 01:21 Divinek wrote: i think both are equally as likely, if not the second being more likely than the first option it's really all whether you believe him or not, because that's what it is going to come down to. You can't really rely on someone like Ace slipping up, and he's a very persuasive player so he could easily talk himself out of something I'm sure. But something like this doesnt entirely convince me of ace or bm's alignment. Since bm can act like a retard regardless of his role as we've seen and well uh i could see him doing this just as a way to get ace killed to piss him off. ill wait for more actual talking to go on before being convinced of something so easily though i guess bm can't do alot of that at the moment lol -------------------------------------------- On August 09 2010 06:51 Divinek wrote: yeah given what you've said so far you might as well tell us then lol --------------------------------- On August 09 2010 07:05 Divinek wrote: sounds like quite the dangerous role to have if you're gonna bring up it's importance and then just not say why it's so bad? im curious how the ace/bm thing interferes with us knowing your 'role' and how 5 more people would make that situation any different. ill show you mine if you show me yours wink wink --------------------------------- On August 09 2010 07:39 Divinek wrote: hmm you would think he wouldnt be retarded enough to do something so poor so obviously, at least if he was red since this play puts him right in the spot light, but i dont put it past him. I dont wanna hop on the wagon just yet because he's done dumb shit as town but after hearing him speak i can be more than happy killing him if he's screwing with and confusing the town even if he is green the mass penalty claim, hm i dont see how it could be bad for town? Unless perhaps there are penalties that relate to death like mine, which could have negative side effects if the mafia kill that person or something? it seems like it is far more beneficial for us to be aware of each other's restrictions so we dont paint them in a poor light for something they're unable to do, or perhaps behaving in a strange way because they have to. Could we reason out the scum from having the penalties? I dont know... maybe the scum might make up one that doesnt make any sense and we could try to catch them that way? it's hard because you have to think like how the host would think more so than just a general idea, though im sure there are some impossibilities we could eliminate based on claims in instances where something would break the game i guess. ------------------------------- On August 09 2010 07:41 chaoser wrote: ## vote Pyrr for now...it's kinda weird that you fed BM both "post such and such if you mean this" and then he followed suit. Seems like he's following the tune of your flute --------------------------- On August 09 2010 07:55 Divinek wrote: that's unless he's trying to get an early wagon started on you lol wouldnt that be an ideal first day lynch for the mafia, towns most experienced/recognized name... i dont like it at all hm ##vote pyrr ---------------------------------------- On August 09 2010 07:56 Divinek wrote: also where the fuck has pandain been it's not like him to be inactive ------------------------------- On August 09 2010 08:56 Divinek wrote: so i saw you posted something and then voted, but can you justify your vote plz or say why you're doing it etc do you have your own line of reasoning or are you just wagoning cause you hate bm, cause i can totally understand that man ------------------------------ On August 09 2010 09:09 Divinek wrote: why is the logic that way? why cant it be the other way around, i was going to go into some big thing of explaining propositional calculus to you and other people but im sure that would just confuse people more. infact why does it have to go either way at all for sure. Surely there can be reasons for them both being mafia, or one and not the other...or even oddly enough neither i suppose --------------------------------- On August 09 2010 10:04 Divinek wrote: you dont need to tell me to brush up on anything believe me! i know what the basic idea you're getting into was but you dont really understand the fundamental underlying principals and i was going to explain them to you (to demonstrate instances where your reasoning could be faulty since you didnt explain your assumptions), but i realized after reading it over you and most other people probably wouldnt be able to make sense of it and it wouldnt matter anyways, because now that ace has actually explained the assumptions i agree with what he is saying that and we practically get to policy lynch someone like bm for lying, if it cant happen in XXX at least it happens here to the badie ##unvote ##vote bill murray ------------------------------ On August 09 2010 10:13 Divinek wrote: rofl i just vote for bm based on something logical and then you say that and it brings me to this whole big circle again is bm actually saying something useful against ace? maybe is pyrr mafia and trying to use his luck to push us to lynch ace when he knows bms info must be incomplete and incorrect? is pyrr actually right because what he just said made alot of sense fuck this game man im asking more questions than im able to answer and i dont like that at all --------------------------- On August 09 2010 10:16 Divinek wrote: um ace i think only yours out of that list is a penalty because the op says if you violate your penalty 3 timse you get mod killed and the latter 2 are one use abilities and have no way of being violated ----------------------------------- On August 09 2010 10:19 Divinek wrote: i just found a hilariously interesting post on page 3 before the game even started -------------------------------------- On August 09 2010 10:20 Divinek wrote: what are you saying it's impossible to not telegraph a move before doing it ---------------------------------- On August 09 2010 10:26 Divinek wrote: ah you're right, my penalty is one use as well i simply misinterpreted the wording of the OP as well as my own pm lol however i feel that revealing it would be very not good for town, it is a very anti town thing that has a specific condition ------------------------------ On August 09 2010 10:35 Divinek wrote: why is it that you are certain? it seems as soon as a game comes up with all these new rules i cant seem to understand what is going on (i mean i do have reasons formulating in my head like perhaps demonstrating a bit too much knowledge of certain things, or an attempt to split us up and re direct us from any plan trying to help us like with your penalty plan) i agree that i get a bad feeling based on what's happened, and i dont like flopping my vote around too much, but i would rather have my vote on scum than on an idiot. and i just like to see where other people are coming from in order to solidly incorporate things they see that i might have missed ------------------------------------- ------------------------------------- On August 09 2010 11:02 Divinek wrote: ace i was just asking for like a formal presentation of your reasoning against pyrr ------------------------------------ On August 09 2010 11:04 Divinek wrote: mmm i dont like this way people's reasoning is going that if your penalty is such and such like 'you can only use your ability every other night' then all penalties should accurately describe the nature of the person sure that SPECIFIC example does make the person look awfully blue but i can assure not all penalties do, as mine makes me look just the opposite of what i am, if you're following that line of reasoning --------------------------------------- On August 09 2010 11:07 Divinek wrote: lol well more stuff can be more to digest, so i prefer simpler as im a fan of occams razor i really just want your reasonings, all of them, for believing he is scum as you obviously demonstrate a better grasp as to wtf is going on in this game with rules/roles/other stuffs that are confusing me and i dont like a confused town/townie --------------------------------- ------------------------------ On August 09 2010 11:47 Divinek wrote: well to be fair it was a random vote that only meant something because someone made something out of it. People do place holders or random votes all the time in periods such as the RVS and such. But it is possible that he knows something we dont isnt it, with all the weird roles out there. Like maybe his final votes have to always be on the person with a first letter closest to the start of the alphabet..the possibilities are infinite and he really should try to explain himself. But BM always does things at the risk of screwing the town over this is not new. Perhaps we should always kill him day 1 or get him vigi popped otherwise if he doesnt stop acting so retarded. It really is annoying ------------------------------------ On August 09 2010 14:03 Divinek wrote: thank you bill for actually making a real post and trying to help the town out, it feels like ages since ive seen that lol and now that i got what i wanted from ace, his post seems to confirm his aligntment for me for now and thus it seems perfectly right to believe him so im definitely believing my original intentions, now that the votes on bm actually pressured him into talking, and getting this wagon starter on ace lynched ##unvote ##vote pyrr ------------------------------------------- On August 09 2010 14:20 Divinek wrote: my penalty is roughly if a mafia is lynched it negatively impacts on me for the following night ------------------------------------ On August 10 2010 10:58 Divinek wrote: surely you mean 2 of the best players. I dont think BM is banned from ace's games because his play is so good it breaks the balance factor ------------------------------------------- On August 10 2010 12:24 Divinek wrote: well if you did use it then you really would be a god in this game wouldnt you or at least an immortal! that's quite the one up --------------------------------- On August 10 2010 12:53 Divinek wrote: well i think the only thing we gain from it is a confirmed townie. But in a game with such a small number of players, shifting the balance by TWO people, 1 for each side is down right ridiculous and i dont think you could ever justify using it. Like seriously even if you were to be lynched it'd be better to give town -1, than -1 and +1 mafia, unless you knew for sure someone else was scum or something. Because a confirmed townie isnt really much to go off of what with us not being allowed to pm and stuff this game, that and probably our only dt is dead anyway. ------------------------------ On August 11 2010 08:51 Divinek wrote: hmm that would make sense with the telegraphing thing then wouldnt it ------------------------------ On August 11 2010 09:45 Divinek wrote: policy lynching always seems to be what gets bm. I'm kind of interested in the people who were going balls out at arguing against ace, because obviously if they knew he was going to die at night it would make them look pretty good. Not that their arguments weren't justified, they certainly seemed very solid. It just makes it that much easier to come off clean. Without a vigi claiming it would be silly to assume that's how ace died, because a vigi has little reason not to claim now after doing that. But someone like lsb assuming he did to possibly draw suspicion off him self for reasons stated above it quite interesting. I'm curious if we had any other blue roles with powers like maybe a watcher or something that found anything out. But unless a vigi claims im very weary of at least one of the people pushing for ace to die. ----------------------------------- On August 11 2010 11:02 Divinek wrote: It's pretty fucked up that that might make the most sense if we didnt have a vigi shot ---------------------------------------- On August 11 2010 13:50 Divinek wrote: well the enabler is a real thing in the parts of mafia land. But why on earth would you publicly admit that was your role is beyond me. Unless he's lying, which it wouldnt be the first time for bm. So he's either lying about his role, and he's town Or he's lying about his role and he's mafia either way he's lying...unless somehow ace protected him last night and ended up dying from it? But that doesnt make any sense from an enabler, or i can hardly see ace wanting to protect bm based on what happened yesterday so wtf ----------------------------------- On August 12 2010 08:30 Divinek wrote: fuck yeah i am! so ill be on in spurts tonight cause my bday! anyways my adjective is Unwary, and ive mentioned my penalty before, but i cant get specific cause that'd out my role ------------------------------------------- On August 12 2010 17:29 Divinek wrote: ok so i am extremely inebriated, but i wont be on until just after dead line, or maybe just before if i drive fast cause of work so this will be my vote/justification until then lets look at young's amazing contribution to the game thus far woooooooooooooooooooo spam states what happened, asks a question, answers question. HI-larious enablers exist in mafia, and they seem somewhat reasonable in this set up as long as you dont publicly admit you are an enabler as such, because how else would anyone ever know. I dont see how it fucks with the balance anymore than something like a tree stump. It does seem like kind of a weird thing to go with a vigi, but not unreasonable? I dunno i think he might be lying bout vigi tos ave his own ass WAIT, im digressing! This post REEKS of confusion. Just asks 2 questions, without really putting anything forward, typical fanning flames play. Typical mafia not wanting to put anything forward but suspicion on someone else well that is what it is, could have gotten that from his mafia pm or something policy lynch wooooooooooooo, nothing to tie him to the person if that person should flip anything but red. It has also been justified that lynching bm is stupid because he'll die to delicious JUSTICE if he is lying about his role, and if he's not we need to let him live to use it SHIZA, so to sumarrize this, that doesnt look right, summarize YOUNGMINII hasnt contributed ANYTHING since the game started so that scum fuck is getting my vote because that's the best case i can come up with, im pretty sure this would be my vote even if i was not under the influence of substances so my fellow citizens, and even my fellow citi.zens. I URGE you to consider the case I have presented you, if you believe play like this doesnt deserve a lynch, or at least intense scrutiny, then what the fuck is wrong with you. cheers ##vote youngminii i hope i spelled his name right because i ilke spelling names right, but im sure our host will know good night gahh --------------------------------------------- On August 13 2010 08:36 Divinek wrote: hi just got back from work before the deadline :D crazy driving yay also he's not going to get mod killed Bill Murray (1) youngminii from the vote totals on page 1, and those are quite up to date. And uh i like my vote where it is based on the few things that have been said. No lynch would be silly. -------------------------------------------------- On August 13 2010 12:34 Divinek wrote: lol i guess you played your role out quite well, all game then. i suppose there's not much to do but wait to see what happens with bm's claim and see who goes down from his shot or if he gets shot, and stuffs though the late, last minute votes were kind of interesting. God im still feeling hung over --------------------------------------- On August 14 2010 08:34 Divinek wrote: yeah seriously, why on earth would you pop a vigi shot without any evidence of someone being scum. Wasting a vig hit is the same as wasting a lynch you don't want to do it. All using a vig hit does, if you miss hit, which is more likely than a hit given no sure fire proof, is confirm someone as town. Confirming one person as town gets us alot less close to a mafia considering missing a vig hit and killing a second townie in one night leads to bad stuffs. At least this is how i feel about it. I would hope that sounds reasonable to at least some of you non reds out there. Especially since it was publicly announced how the vig has to restrict his targets, reds could easily not vote for that person, or if they had already voted for someone else/abstained just keep it that way and then guarantee a double kill ------------------------------------- On August 14 2010 12:50 Divinek wrote: hm you present an interesting candidate i will be sure to do a full analysis when i get back from getting smashed out of my mind. I feel that this is when i think with the most clarity -------------------------------------- On August 15 2010 03:25 Divinek wrote: ok so i didnt even make it to my room last night LOL anyways as promised woo go anti town plan! Not lynching gives the mafia a whole extra night to kill someone. While the town potentially only gains the the death of a townie really pushing the hit huh, it's almost like you know no scum are gonna get hit. You know ive had my suspicions about citizen but when you seem so adamant on getting someone on the young wagon killed i start to not be so worried about him and be more worried about your god damn anti town ideas. Yeah lets kill 2 towns in one night! why would mafia want him dead so badly? If they know the mechanic behind his shot restriction they can avoid it somewhat easily, and get 2 kills a night instead of one rofl. HOW DO PEOPLE NOt SEE YOU AS RED what the fuck is your argument? Surely the same thing, so by this very merit your argument is poor and we should lynch you. Which by god we will do you scum bastard i have a very hard time ever telling wtf bm is because his play is so retarded regardless of his alignment. But think about it, town REALLY has to have some sort of KP role this game and if there was another vig bm would be 100% dead by now. ROFL a restriction that he cant kill bm? please get your head out of your ass, that would be the worst restriction on a vig possible. That's like one of the few ways he can guarantee hit a red is a fake claim. Yes EVERYONE ELSE is like dont waste a shot, yet you're so intent on him wasting a shot and potentially killing a townie, which would damn near end the game for us. I would like to lynch at least one mafia this game, so I'm not going to continue to breeze over your empty anti town logic anymore If you're done giving him chances why isnt your vote on him? I know you can't change it but that sounds like a pretty absolute statement. OH THE FANNING OF THE FLAMES i agree that it is pretty ludicrous that no reds would vote for majority. It is possible but i believe it to be unlikely, naturally though they would limit their numbers on that wagon as much as possible. I suppose you can only trust me based on your own nose, though if you really wanted i could role claim and you could discern the legitimacy of it based on what has happened. As for scamp..i dunno. I haven't gone through his post history much because such obvious targets as yourself present themselves note the bolded part, im quite certain bm did give a logical explanation for not wanting to mindlessly waste a vig hit, so now you're just LYING. And yet you kept pushing for him to hit someone on that wagon almost like you KNEW he would hit whom you wanted to hit you're going down today you scum fuck, i know you're a good player and can talk your way out of things but not this time ##vote korynne -------------------------------------------- On August 16 2010 08:29 Divinek wrote: yeah lets ignore all the other people in the game then D: if you want to do a real analysis about any of those people then that'd be great, rather than piecing together circumstantial evidence. you can do that have of the player list and i can do the rest if you want! I really do feel like i need to be taking a look at chaoser, and anything jayme actually said before he died lol. Inactive people coasting by that urgently needed to avoid mod kills. -------------------------------------- On August 16 2010 08:33 Divinek wrote: lame jayme didnt contribute anything but fanning a few flames early on before he went quiet, makes me need to put FoS on him/darth whatever darrrrrrrth where are you -------------------------------------- On August 16 2010 12:15 Divinek wrote: i cant say exactly what it is, because if i say exactly what it is i will surely be killed by it if the condition is met ------------------------------------------- On August 16 2010 12:15 Divinek wrote: i cant say exactly what it is, because if i say exactly what it is i will surely be killed by it if the condition is met ------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------- On August 17 2010 05:01 Divinek wrote: im fairly sure it just changes the overall count, so mafia can only win quicker and dont actually get an extra member. Because if someone got converted that'd be ridiculous. Though i wouldn't put that past this set up --------------------------------------------- On August 17 2010 06:31 Divinek wrote: seriously where the hell has chaoser been his last few posts have just been his votes -------------------------------------------- On August 17 2010 07:09 Divinek wrote: okay i dont really have any good reads on him but he's been way too quiet and this does help things along if bm fucking decides to actually pop you or whatever ##unvote ##vote chaoser ------------------------------------------ On August 17 2010 08:01 Divinek wrote: man i totally didnt realize we could lose from this rofl, cause townie plus nk plus vigi is 3 and i thought mafia had to out number town not equal them. However say we lynch anyone today that is town and then it's 5-3, and then say bm announces his hit and they stack with bm's hit or just dont do a hit then it's 4-3, and then if you lynch him because only one person died we lose... or they could obviously just hit someone else and out right end the game if bm follows through with his vigi hit. but obviously if we hit a mob with our lynch it'll be alot better cause then it's like 6-2 and bm can hit anyone and mafia couldnt stack their hit with his because that'd be senseless so it'd probably go to 4-2 or if we get lucky 5-1, which the latter would certainly be winning for us. So i think if we lynch whoever we lynch today if they flip town then BM CAN'T shoot, but if they flip red the hoorah, do people think that korynee seems like a much more compelling case than chaoser at this point? (because we dont have to worry about her not begin on the wagon if we lynch her, in order to be shot) i mean yeah no one is defending him but maybe that's so they dont look bad? gah there's too much god damn wifom shit in this game ---------------------------------------------- On August 17 2010 08:54 Divinek wrote: if she stays quiet until too close the deadline then you have my vote ----------------------------------------- On August 17 2010 08:59 Divinek wrote: ah nvm i have to leave for a few hours, gotta help my brother organize all his fancy wedding gifts ##unvote ##vote korynne ------------------------------------------ On August 17 2010 12:08 Divinek wrote: like i said chaoser/lsb/scamp well i didnt actually say that but words can hurt man -------------------------------------------- On August 17 2010 12:48 Divinek wrote: i think it's pretty well given that you can't shoot unless you're 100% gonna hit a mafia, and since we have no where near that amount of certainty shooting is out of the question ---------------------------------------- On August 18 2010 14:59 Divinek wrote: NO NEED since it looks like citi.zen is going to die i might as well confirm your suspicions and guarantee us a sure hit, so he can't sway your heart with his devilish tongue, because i will surely be the night kill as a result first of all my role is Unwary Tracker My visit list goes like this Night1: Ace :/, i coulda confirmed him the day after if he hadn't been hit Night 2: Bum he didnt visit anyone so he is cleared Night 3: citi.zen my message read loud and clear that he killed/visited (the message reads killed) LSB this very night now you ask, wtf divine are you stupid why would you claim when he's probably gonna die anyways and you could keep tracking! well let me tell you my unfortunate penalty when we lynch a mafia, they get my fucking role that very night, because i was too unwary or whatever and revealed my identity when following them. Pretty harsh i know, but it seems reasonable given there's only 3 reds and we seemed to already have 2 fucking dts rofl. (well i guess pyrr was reasonably only gonna get 1 check in, maybe two, and lsb just turned dt or something?) oh ill justify my tracking targets ace: good player should be self explanatory bum: bum is my brosif and id have loved if he flipped red and i could nail him, sadly he didnt you might ask why not bm divine he was so obvious!!! well this is my first time playing a role like this, and i felt he was surely going to get himself fucking killed some how whether by lynch or vigi role (that and im partly beleived alot of his insanity because im an idiot), because we HAD to have a vigi, and surely enough we did thx chaoser. and citi.zen check? i dunno enough people were suspicious of him that i looked at him a little more and noticed he tended to show just too much information hopefully this has helped enough to give you another confirmed townie, (who would doubt bum anyways right rofl) a guarantee kill today brings us to 4v1 and then i die most likely so 3v1, YOU GOT THIS TOWN also holy shit at the amount of blues this game, even though lsb was green for the most part tl;dr citizen is mafia vote for him or im going to fucking hate you forever :/ thank god my net came back up it was down for nearly a god damn day ##vote citi.zen ---------------------------------------- On August 18 2010 15:24 Divinek wrote: hopefully i just saved scamp one of his precious votes ---------------------------------- On August 19 2010 09:10 Divinek wrote: my initial reaction was not to kill him but the more i thought about it the more i realized how good of an idea it was. night 1 was perrrrrrfect ---------------------------------- On August 19 2010 09:13 Divinek wrote: lsb died in the night though i didnt trust people not to swing on to me some how so i just thought i would blow off the doors by fingering you as mafia. I initially wanted it to do it to bum for hilarity factor, but no one would believe that. Then i wanted to do it on chaoser but he confirmed himself at the start of the day , saved my life!Then i figured you fit so well as red why not convince everyone they were right, people looooooove being right was good fun watching the town kill itself though. God the amount of times i chainsaw, well not even chainsaw as much as just deflecting the flames, defended bm this game was ridiculous, though i tried real hard to be indirect about it. Thank god no one points that kind of stuff out. totally forgot we can edit now lol, bad habit ------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------- Also I didn't color my comments in these posts and am wondering if you find it easier to read or do you prefer that they are blue so they can be distinguished easier. Being PSA Last game he apparently quoted some posts that had a bad ending bold tag a few times hence the trailing ones here. Everyone please be respectful of your posting and properly open and close your tags, there are too many orphans crowding up the digital highway as it is. End PSA | ||
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On September 03 2010 23:26 Divinek wrote: i always play suspicious even as town sorry to burst your bubble and all your hard worked time dude, i can be tracked to clear my name easily. Oh wow I am so glad you were able to clear your self with "I always play suspicious even as town", clearly there is no reason to ever suspect you from this point on out. Also the second part about being tracked, is a lie. Now did you know this or not is th real question. This is the reason I suspect you so much, You have 100% perfect cover, unless we have a legit alignment cop. DO I need to go over this individually. Role Cop: he gets that you are a KP role (Reserved acording to the plan you yourself said you were following) for only mafia. Bullet BIll: Sees you with a gun (Once again reserved for mafia so we could lynch on this) And now for the one you quickly jump to. Tracker: He will always see you staying at hope because your Day Vig role takes precedent. Here is the quote from ace that you seem to have glossed over: On August 31 2010 12:03 Ace wrote: Yes. @citizen: Remember Tracker watches roles based on precedence. So a bullletproof Scum for instance will show up as not moving. Watcher on the other hand bypasses this, and so does Bullet Bill Once again I ask for you to answer to what I have said about you. Also read through all that I have said, I never once call your play scummy, I know that is your so called "Style" but I am arguing that you are playing from a position of deception. The crux of my argument isn't anti-town plays or that your posts lack content, but that you are speaking as one alignment and playing as another. A player may have a bad understanding of the game, say thinking lynching for information is good and will push for it. They are not helping town and they are wrong but they can still be town, that is why this argument can fail against players who are new or don't know what is the best course of action. What I am accusing you of is having that knowledge and admitting to it but then playing against it. See all the examples I cite above. Don't give me a 2 sentences and claiming you are clear when the method of clearing you we already know doesn't work. Don't you think you would have been tracked and cleared or confirmed already if it was that easy. | ||
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On September 05 2010 06:45 ~OpZ~ wrote: Pandain. You are working under this assumption you are some how confirmed? =/ And lynching fishball at any situation right now, stupid as hell. Lynch for information, nah. We don't need to lynch him to confirm his checks? Why? Most of his checks are confirmed via Chaoser. I'm with Rastaban on Divinek, but I think Rastaban should CV him. This seems like the wisest course of action. We lynch BrownBear now, and I shoot Divinek tonight. That means even in a worst case scenario, we start tomorrow with half the town confirmed | ||
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Also I didn't realize the power of certain roles, and how important just having a night action is. If I has had DTA take role blocker instead of copy cat, I think we would have fared better, an extra check would have helped a lot. Also we had a great plan but when jspazz quit us and the roles changed 3 hours before the deadline we ended up confused. The extension helped, but subversion only had 20 minutes to try and grab something. It didn't help that I had training all of a sudden at work so I couldn't coordinate with Fish very well. It was fun though, good job town. | ||
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I CompViged Chaoser because I was pretty much locked into following what the town requested for hits. This was probably an error on the CV part as I didn't have time to think the hit through as i was getting home just before the deadlines every night. As mafia we never would have went for him and that is also why the kill was never talked about. I was trying to play the role of an obedient townie, and wanted to sway the votes for comp vig more but sadly my training schedule was forced to move so I ended up being absent a large part of the week as Fish mentioned. Knowing what I do now the Roleblocker is a very strong mafia role. I had thought it kind of week when we were picking. If we had taken it then we would have RBed the SK night 1, while he would not have died subversion would have lived. We could also hit methman etc by roleblocking and then hitting them. It would have given us someone to fish around the top roles with to pickup the traitor so I wouldn't shoot and convert them. | ||
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