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is there an explanation of this sanity stuff anywhere first time ive seen it | ||
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On August 21 2010 10:32 citi.zen wrote: This from Ace at the end of last game: I also urge you not to tell the mafia the numbers you are picking: it does not help the town in the least bit; if we overlap the draft order changes but we can stick to the same plan. I am not sure I see how it 100% helps the mafia or sk, but it might, so just don't do it. Pick randomly and privately, then we decide where we go from there. i agree im not claiming my numbers wtf. Besides liking the excitement of the draft it doesnt do anything. Mafia can easily overlap if they want, or have just been the first person to say 1! 2! or 3 etc blah blah. | ||
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On August 22 2010 05:52 Bill Murray wrote: the 8 people who haven't claimed have mafia in there, obviously. Radfield is worried about how mafia can double up with town, but the people who are doubling up with people are obviously going to be our lynch candidates (after someone who lied to us about what numbers theyre picking) the reason for this plan was simple: last game the mafia were in doubled up numbers singularly. They weren't going to be picking the same numbers as a teammate. If the only doubled up numbers have people who claimed they were picking that number and one person who did it without claiming anything and without working with the town whatsoever, who are we going to lynch? the uncooperative person. If you're in the 8 people and you want to be in the top 12, challenge someone for their number or something. A good old fashioned game of rock, paper, scissors could do the trick. We really need you 8 to claim, and act like you want to help the town. the 8 people who havent claimed do not have to be mafia, obviously. The mafia could simply claim in the thread? what's to stopping them, why does it matter. The draft list is going to be made public ffs, it's stupid to just go by our subjective list we've made up ourselves when the mob could be the top 4/3 whatever many of them there are. | ||
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On August 23 2010 11:03 Radfield wrote: Well BM, I suppose I should fess up. I picked 6 specifically to double up with you  I just don't trust you to follow the plan if you land in a top spot, and you played really poorly last PYP. Anyways, hopefully you enjoy it down here with me  Also, I picked 6,2. So if you picked 6,1 it means that bumatlarge also doubled up with you. LOL that's exactly what i did, exactly i picked 6,2 as well | ||
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can take like 1-100 or 1-10 and 1-5 is first role, 6-10 is second role, or flip a coin etc etc | ||
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On August 24 2010 05:42 ~OpZ~ wrote: Who said I didn't follow the plan? I just would of Day Vig'd BM had I been at slot ten. And sheep my way into a plan? Pshhaa... PYP Pick Your Power Winning =/= Fun Picking what role I am is the point of PYP in my eyes, and attempting to win. That's the fun in this game to me. I didn't say I disregarded the plan, and would not tell anyone else to, but had I been at spot ten, I would have picked Day Vig and killed Bill Murray. that was my one true hope as well going into this draft | ||
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On August 24 2010 07:00 citi.zen wrote: At this point you might as well stick to the list. Also, take the RNG part seriously - we need doctors and the meth man threat. oh dont worry i stuck to the plan, even after the draft list changed i re RNG'd my role | ||
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On August 24 2010 08:51 citi.zen wrote: Bm is only ok as Mafia, otherwise he's disruptive or worse. Would be ok lynching him... why not :-) cite penalty mafia last game, jeeeeeeesus i thought we were doomed with him on mafia i would be okay with it too, especially for a day1 | ||
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well now that's out of the way lets get this show on the road | ||
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On August 25 2010 11:50 Subversion wrote: rofl omg, seriously? isnt this like, a bad idea? lol have you ever seen bill play. This is like the most pro town thing possible on day 1, it had to be done | ||
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On August 25 2010 11:53 Pandain wrote: Ahahahaha.. thats right. This may actually be semi good. Yo mason... mason with me bro. n.n this actually helps solve the dillema of mafia killing CV to let them get copycat i was partly hoping he would have some role that wasnt as dangerous, that the copycat could get. But really i just wanted to kill him. But ill take any bonus we can get. | ||
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On August 25 2010 12:25 citi.zen wrote: Nice, it only took a few minutes for us to shoot ourselves in the foot. More than we already had, that is. BM made a great day 1 LYNCHING target. To vigi him was... not very pro-town at all. why was he such a good lynch target? What does he ever do day 1 besides suggest retarded plans that can screw the town over. Why bother wasting a lynch on someone you know we'll have to kill because of his play style. Why risk a repeat performance of pyp | ||
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On August 25 2010 12:47 citi.zen wrote: The faster we die/use KPs, the happier the mafia is. One person already got mod killed - chances are it was a townie. Now another townie died in Bill. So it's probably 18v4v1 now. We will probably mis-lynch (day 1 lynches are very rarely successful). There will be 2 KPs night 1, making it a probable 15v4v1 at the start of day 2. From night 2 onwards there should be 3 KP each night... this could unravel fast. i think you drastically underestimate how anti town bm can be just by existing | ||
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On August 25 2010 13:35 Subversion wrote: lol if hes so awful why is he allowed to play ^^ he was originally supposed to be banned from this game | ||
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On August 25 2010 14:50 bumatlarge wrote: And we all know divine would be chainsaw defending BM in games if he were on the same team. Yeah right. ##Divinek No reason to keep him alive, he's now a useless blue and what he did confirms nothing. It may be slight FoS depending how you look at it, but it's day 1. Point out a better lynch and I will eat my hat. Not that I dont like having BM dead. yeah lets lynch a townie on day 1! excellent town play bum. I could say anyone who hasn't posted since day began would be a better lynch. Or maybe even you for voting for me because you STILL want to get me wagon'd. I know you're game and i wont let you take me down that easy. If i really wanted to stay alive why on earth would i kill BM, why would i do that as mafia. Hm i could see a case for it as sk, but still it draws too much attention to me and such. This townie will go down fighting. On August 25 2010 15:02 Fishball wrote: So the game starts... and BM dies. I think I'm gaining some motivation back to actually play the game now. Hero Divinek! yay , i do it for all the people that this actually made happy. I mean i look out for #1, and it made me most happy, but i like to share.Hero fishball, joy to be playing my first game with you | ||
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On August 26 2010 08:35 Radfield wrote: Bullet Bill should check Pandain Tracker should check Bumatlarge I pick up scummy vibes from both these players. If people disagree that's fine, needs to be discussed. well im getting those vibes from them too. Not just cause bum voted for me either, he just always tries to push for my lynch. But he tries to make the posts he does when he is mafia. He was convinced i was a vanilla townie and still wanted to lynch me, like wtf that is not part of the win condition and does not provide town with any info except i was a wreckless person who wanted to kill bm cmon you're lying if you arent happy he died at least a little. pandain well, pandain is just that way since he's 14 years old. I think he comes off as scummy even when he doesn't mean to. This is not a real reason to dismiss him though since he can of course come off as scummy when he is in fact scum as well! sadly i doubt we could put any real pressure on these two with solid justifcation (as far as votes go, today), but they are good targets for our PR's that can give us info or something. But i do like opz's heart! he always knows what's going on. anyways im definitely behind your idea on using those two roles on those two players what do others think? ill probably hold onto my vote cuz majority, would it be wrong to use bum as a place holder because my net has been dodgy cause im tempted as far as the actual matter at hand, im having a hard time landing on either of our potential targets to be a better choice than the other. Going off reads based more on reason that is at least. Hesmyrr certainly seems more reasonable, but im definitely down for lynching someone from this selection because i have a feeling we'll find out more info as we pick apart these roles from the weird shit that's been going on. at least i hope | ||
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On August 26 2010 10:21 Pandain wrote: "Hey Pandain, you don't have to respond, but I just wanted to say you played a great red game. Talk to me after the game. I don't know how much of a role you played behind the scenes but you were textbook red..." n.n well if it helps i felt you played bad either way | ||
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On August 26 2010 11:03 Subversion wrote: oh ok good what happens if someone gets majority before i get voted? do i need a vote placeholder while im still thinking? if you read the thread! it says that after majority is hit, twilight will take up the remainder of the day so i guess you'd just have to cast a meaningless vote, which is kinda silly and doesnt make you look very good but i suppose that's what would go down i imagine people will do their best to hold off on majority so meaningful discussion can continue for as long as possible about the lynch candidates etc | ||
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seriously can we ask for a real explanation or can we put a big radar onto this post wtf | ||
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i wonder how many out of the 6 that didnt vote are scum ##vote hesmyrr | ||
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On August 27 2010 12:12 SouthRawrea wrote: Only way to prove I was telling the truth. or someone for example, above you, could flip with the traitor role. if you are townie why would you want us to lynch you that's just so bad.... | ||
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On August 27 2010 13:13 Subversion wrote: i think it would be silly at this point to all just climb on a south bandwagon for no reason other than his uber fail "i suck guys, just lynch me" you'd know that from experience right lol, gotta learn from our pasts! On August 27 2010 12:35 Pandain wrote: I also think its a surefire bet that mafia have roleblocker as well. why? wtf how could you possibly be so sure | ||
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On August 27 2010 13:55 ~OpZ~ wrote: so who are we having cops check? role cop should definitely hit whoever was to pick someone low on the list. more likely to hit a vanilla, and get a decent role...or check radfield even...or the last person in the draft. as for roleblocker if there is one, should block a vet player. tracker should probably follow divinek. if he visits anyone at night he is mafia. 100%. if not he is confirmed. medics should cover someone below 5. if there was a copy cat he should team with rastaban. or someone who could possibly of chosen tracker. so below role 10. althiygh people may of picked it sooner. who knows. bulletbill, look at the pod....those are arguably my best ideas i liked the idea of tracking or bb'ing bum, but id be happy with getting tracked nothing to hide :D | ||
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On August 28 2010 07:48 BrownBear wrote: I'll claim. I missed the rolepicking deadline, so I'm vanilla. And I know I've been inactive, I'm sorry. It's about to be orientation week and I'm working my ass off. why would you tell them you're vanilla oh my god jasoifsjeiorjs hey look someone for the mafia NOT TO KILL why did you even sign up for this game if you have no time, you never seem to, it's seriously annoying | ||
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lol sick, who can kill night one? and good job medic! or vet or something, who took a hit? | ||
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On August 28 2010 10:14 Pandain wrote: Don't roleclaim. It makes mafia unable to tell whether they actually hit a good role or the target just got medic protection. And roleclaiming won't help us anyway since no pms. Only thing it does is make them confirmed, but even then that isn't that helpful. If really need be he can say he got hit if he's going to die. Also, the serial killer did. of course you wouldn't roleclaim that would be retarded it's perfectly fine to say who took the hit because MAFIA KNOW, so we might as well know too, ya dig? so good on zeks for actually telling us i totally forgot the sk existed, nice sniping by him even though he's the enemy | ||
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On August 28 2010 10:55 Pandain wrote: Forgive me, it seemed like you wanted him to roleclaim(since yousaid "and good job medic! or vet or something, who took a hit?" it had seemed like you wanted to find out if it was a vet or protection) My bad. who took a hit =/= please role claim who took a hit = who took a hit??? everytime you say fadoodle im regretting choosing bm | ||
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On August 29 2010 01:28 chaoser wrote: rastaban <- can be asked to kill someone to confirm (if he confirmed already?) chaoser <-Saying I'm Bad Santa him out, will give out my list and reasoning behind it all if asked LSB <- No real way to confirm he's PoD in a pro-town fashion Hesmyrr <-vanilla townie (Was suppose to try to pick PoD, CV, or BS) zeks <-Very possible is traitor. Either he needs to claim role and we test him while protecting him or we lynch him outright. SouthRawrea <--says someone above him took traitor 1. rasta: he cant kill someone to confirm, unless we had a way of notifinh rasta and only rasta. If we tell 'him' who to hit then the other person who might have CV would obviously hit since they'd be scum buddies so no that does not clear him 2. correct cant confirm pod, because it'd be retarded for him to use his ability lol. And you can hardly confirm yourself either, but atleast you can give us rationale and we can pick that apart On August 29 2010 02:42 ~OpZ~ wrote: Hey Radfield....Give a look at fishball in comparison to: Green http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=119497 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=98457 Miller http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=111913 Blue http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=93286 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=110325 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=116703 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=91680 Long story short, I think Fishball's posting a lot more than average. i got the same feeling actually, not based on his history but just his posting tendancies in general and the point of his posts. Please others keep your eyes on this sneaky scoundrel! On August 29 2010 04:18 bumatlarge wrote: Why is doctor highly unlikely? 4 people visited him, Id put a lot of money into one of those being a doctor. Hes a good target to be hit, as a chief power blue pick, and now he could be traitor. Im thinking mafia have a roleblocker, hit him with the roleblock, and in case he wasnt traitor, nailed him with the hit to bypass the defense chances. Also, Ace, what happens if SK gets roleblocked? That would give zeks exemption from the SK role, if he wouldnt have been able to hit anyone, or be bulletproof. what the blue fuck are you talking about there is no way 4 completely unrelated people visited him all on the same night. The only believable scenarios are 4 mafia attacked him and converted him or he blocked or 1 doctor saved him and 3 mafia attacked him cuz 1 rb'er wouldnt bring the rest of the mob with him on a rb On August 29 2010 04:04 LSB wrote: I want Zeks to claim first, this could shed a lot of light. Reasons why Zeks could have survived the night: 1) He is the SK 2) He is Bulletproof 3) He is the Traitor 4) Doctor protected him (highly unlikely) Zeks probably will claim Bulletproof. Once he claims bulletproof, we can watch to see if someone else claims bulletproof, or if someone claims they drafted bulletproof and didn't get it. I THOUGHT WE AGREED IT'S RETARDED FOR HIM TO CLAIM why in the shit would he claim, that only makes it more obvious to the mafia what he is and what they can avoid what benefit does it give us what role he tells us. He can easily claim protection but it doesnt make sense and there's no way in fuck he's a vet. And it's dumb cuz he's not gonna claim bp if he didnt get it because there's no way no one else didnt try to get that. So what ever he does claim it doesnt matter, all it does is give mafia more info if he's actually telling the truth... gotta go to dinner damn, ill catch up on the rest after ! | ||
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On August 29 2010 09:50 bumatlarge wrote: Look at divine with his half assed post, i corrected myself the post below that, and zeks clearly stated that sub was vanilla because he tried for his role, so scum knew he was role cop. They know hes SK, or protected. Maybe yo should read through before you post instigative shit butt munch. i was quoting as i went faggot said i had to leave mid post had i read the other stuffs i woulda deleted it, or left it to agitate you sadly i must leave again but i must say DONT YOU START SAYING THAT WORD TOO SOUTH, pleaaaaaaase dont seriously what do other people think of fishball | ||
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what the fuck i seriously hope so too, unless pandain is also secretly a detective on top of a pardoner. also yay randy! oh majority then hmm ##vote ace | ||
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On August 29 2010 15:54 Fishball wrote: No matter what has been said, even Zeks claims he is SK, I'm not taking any chances until Ace confirms. Also, revealing my check results means Mafia will get it too. SK aside, Mafia already know who "should" have guns. If I checked someone with guns and is not one of their own, who wold that be? The JOAT. Things get a lot more complicated from there. i was going to suggest checking our CV/BS maybe but that seems silly, because the only thing it could confirm is that they didnt follow the plan. Cause if they're mafia and passed it down to their buddies, yeah... it really sucks the sk had to get role cop, At least he actually shared with us, im assuming by his list that means he checked bb? But he only had time for one check and has checked fishball, so is that just his opinion then im assuming? because i don't believe bb is town at all. Not that it's exactly easy with his 1 every cycle posts apologizing for why hes' NEVER here | ||
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also pandain why must you lie so much | ||
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On August 30 2010 04:51 SiNiquity wrote: + Show Spoiler [Roles] +
So with 5 hours left (or possibly 29 hours), where are all the # # CV: votes? Or is it just assumed that SR is the target? i think it is assumed lsb is the target, but id be more than happy with BB meeting that bullet if he's not getting mod killed | ||
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On August 31 2010 01:15 bumatlarge wrote: Rofl at all these ego trips Ive got nothing better planned so ill follow up on that pandian. Indeed JeeJee seems the last person we can hope to be joat, and while its an important role, it isnt our last hope. We already have a bunch of blues running around, we just need to protect them. There is a good chance that those middle people are scum/defensive roles, so I doubt we will see a hit on them. If joat is here, he should probably protect a claimed blue tonight. In fact joat should protect fishball, and a doc should protect opz, unless we plan on hitting one. I feel like I get less priority then the other 2. So if you wanna take a chance, a doc can protect me Again, darth and divine set off bells for me. Fish opz and rad seem like bickering blues trying to get info, but grabbing the wrong roles is fishy. can you tell me why im setting off bells for you, instead of just throwing around random suspicion. You can't have some cookie cutter mold of what a mafia player is supposed to be like, every person is different and does different things for different reasons. I feel like im being too quiet but i really have nothing to contribute, i totally agree with who you have chosen for the following actions bar something crazy happening. I'm glad at least darth and radfield have an accurate read on me. But this could naturally be because one of them has too much information! It's hard to get motivated to look into people too heavily when it's practically already decided on who is to die. At least for now that is. too much drama here, but it does certainly set off some bells of mine. Drama seems to lead to one of the dramees being on the wrong side, at least most of the time | ||
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On August 31 2010 08:31 Pandain wrote: Actually now that I think about it, we need to know theres a medic on fishball. Because if not the mafia can just roleblock me and hit him. If he is town, then we just lost an extremely valuable asset. Me thinks medics should protect Fishball. But at the same time this leaves Opz and Radfield open, both valuable players(whether for experience or in game events.) i think it's safe to assume there is no roleblocker since no one has claimed to have been roleblocked? Or did i some how miss something like that.. | ||
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On August 31 2010 10:37 SiNiquity wrote: Yeah, TL isn't ever going to be my top priority over the weekend. Popped in when I could, but thread always exploded over some stupid bullshit (like arguing about someone could have affirmatively known that Zeks was SK prior to the lynch). Also, f u citizen for stalking me this entire game, inactive or not. + Show Spoiler + So, where to now? well the idea of the game is to give your own original input! where do you think we should go! i really just wanna see what rasta has to say first | ||
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"#2 Chaoser --- Likely Bad Santa, list of Elfs: Radfield, Sinliquidy, Citi.zen, Opz, Bumatlarge" does that mean he 'confirmed' those people, under the assumption that he's town aligned? | ||
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On September 01 2010 09:07 Pandain wrote: ???. Story? <--- confused Btw can you just vote SR or give a reason why not? i never like ending someone's life without fully understanding why but if you wanna be on my balls about it ##vote SR | ||
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On September 01 2010 10:12 SouthRawrea wrote: Pandain.. you're just wasting a lynch. I've already outlived my role's usefulness anyhow and it was only actually useful to #1 Hide the blue townies from mafia (Kinda failed from claiming green on day 1) so as an alternative #2 Revealing crucial information to town about the location of the traitor. Now the only way to ensure that I was actually helping the town is to verify the information I've given out in #2 which I have failed twice now (Despite being able to help get the SK which= awesome). The only way to verify that I haven't been trying to screw over town after getting my role (as opposed to before  ) is to either kill me or kill the traitor. 33% chance of verifying and killing traitor or 100% chance of verifying and undetermined chance of getting mafia/traitor. From town's standpoint the latter option is better and I have no way to deter them or even deter them the next day from lynching me unless I claim VP and then threaten to get rid of one of their key members. They'll be happy to make the trade if I do so as 1 townie for 1 mafia = an amazing trade. You're only delaying the inevitable and in essence you're acting as the POD. You're nullifying all daytime lynching and having double nights. So Pandain, REDACT IT.Well you must remember the goal of this game is to lynch mafia. NOT townies, we do not lynch for information, we lynch to kill mafia. If you are not mafia you should not be lynched. Needlessly killing a townie ends the game 1 day sooner if we're fucking up. Besides the way you're acting in certain death certainly damn near clears you! I'd be fine with you dying but i really would rather kill a mafia, damn do i want chaoser to die to confirm that list. That would be niiiiiiice. | ||
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On September 01 2010 10:23 SouthRawrea wrote: A green for good information= good and NO IT DOES NOT DIVINEK. Stop being so naive. What if I'm manipulating all of you and Pandain and I are both mafia? What if it wasn't certain death at all because I knew he was going to pardon me. So just leave me behind. Go on without me! it's hardly good information, it confirms a traitor in the top 3. It doesnt really lead us to any mafia, what if you guys are working together? It wouldn't make sense if you were. Your reasoning makes no sense at all for a mob member, you can't be mafia or you're brain dead. We aim to lynch mafia, not fucking townies. | ||
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On September 01 2010 10:32 SouthRawrea wrote: Well how do you know I'm making no sense on purpose? i dont let wifom arguments circle overhead, i go with what rationale makes the most sense and always go with the idea that someone isnt going deeply into some preconceived meta that might be anticipated, it's less convoluted that way. like i said im cool with you dying, but if you're a townie id much rather kill a mafia dude. Sure you might be 'useless' now, but we still have your vote! Hell man im useless now that i used my power, but im writing a novel to hopefully contribute something to town. im gonna keep mentioning how i want to kill chaoser to confirm his list | ||
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On September 01 2010 10:54 SiNiquity wrote: It's actually a great idea. If Chaoser is indeed red (and not even necessarily Bad Santa, could be any role with a made up list) then confirming a bunch of people who were pro-town (bum via very helpful watcher info, myself via fishball whose role was confirmed via zeks, radfield by dying) and slipping a mafia or 2 on the list is the best play possible.. Which is why lynching Chaoser, not SR was the move to make tonight. Confirming the list is way more imperative than this traitor bullshit, but it even has the benefit of removing a top 3 role should SR be telling the truth. But the town had to rush off and majority lynch. -_- gj. it'd be great if someone could just pop him tonight CV, joat, whatever else can kill something | ||
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On September 01 2010 11:09 citi.zen wrote: Chaoser offered this very plan for today. Perhaps we should have gone with it. At this point in time I am not convinced it's a great idea because of simple arithmetics: we just (tried to) lynch SR. It's mafia time - they can kill one of the elfs, leaving 3 on the "confirmed" list. Then we lynch Chaoser. The mafia get to kill again, possibly leaving 2 "confirmed" people up there. We're trading 3 people for 2 "confirmed" names and no new information on the mafia. they could try but if this is our plan surely we'll be trying to protect someone from that list, and there's probably a meth man and maybe other defensive roles in there. If we kill chaoser we basically confirm like 1/4 to 1/3 of the remaining players, id say that's useful it's better than going oh well we lynch a guy so we know there's a traitor in the top 3, now we KNOW these people are 100% on our side so we can believe all they say, all their claims, THIS IS SO USEFUL, and we'll obviously protect our most powerful roles from that list. They can pop vanillas all they want rofl | ||
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On September 01 2010 11:41 citi.zen wrote: This is a confirmed lie then. Hi Pandain! rofl looks like we caught ourselves a mafia! im still posting my novel of analysis | ||
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On September 01 2010 13:45 BrownBear wrote: Notice how he doesn't explicitly say no. Just saying. hey speaking of useless fucks ill take out an exert from my novel on you Basically im going through suspicious people and trying to rate them on their contribution to town, now while scum could have contributed heavily to town this is a fun place to start. And brown bear was in easy in this category rofl Brown Bear: Should be: Vanilla, #11 25% Role Cop, 25% Defensive role, 25% Doctor, 25% role of your choice(not tracker) On August 21 2010 14:57 BrownBear wrote: I'm not telling y'all my numbers, sorry. Just doesn't seem like smart play to let scum know what I'm picking. doesn't say why it's not smart, just doesn't wanna say ya know. I think it didnt really matter but whatever. This post didnt help town AT ALL. On August 21 2010 16:34 BrownBear wrote: Don't worry, I didn't pick a number someone else has publically picked. I just don't feel like revealing it. I fail to see how this warrants a FoS, but whatever. So he's honest here if he really did pick 20,20. seems likely, guess this helps town sorta? not really meaningful On August 21 2010 16:35 BrownBear wrote: Also, tomorrow I will not be on the internet likely, as I will be travelling back home. Peace out, y'all. blah blah blah blah On August 25 2010 11:52 BrownBear wrote: lolololololololololol awesome. But what. wow spam On August 26 2010 10:07 BrownBear wrote: To be fair, he was not town, he was ninja (3rd party role). He was just playing more town-aligned. HEY LETS MENTION SHIT FROM LAST GAME On August 27 2010 13:04 BrownBear wrote: Having read the thread, I'm voting we don't lynch South yet. Let's see what happens as a result of the night first, then let's see if we can't find a better target than South. lets seeee what happens, lets not do anything productive lets seeee what happens. This isnt productive this is anti town. He just said he read the thread, nothing good came from that though just a feeling with no evidence. On August 29 2010 08:54 BrownBear wrote: I really want to hear zeks defend himself before I slap a vote on him, however I do want him to post - and soon - or else I'll join in the party. blah blah more bullshit On August 30 2010 09:40 BrownBear wrote: I have posted... or do I need to vote? If so, ##vote: BrownBear And yes, I've been gone. My bad. apologizing, wow that's helpful On August 31 2010 11:45 BrownBear wrote: citi's post makes sense, at least to me. I think our plan for today: Lynch Opz Depending on what Opz flips: -if mafia, CV fishball, or if that fails lynch him -if not mafia, lynch citi. Either way we bag 1 (maybe 2!) mafia. ##Vote: Opz interesting how this isnt how things turned out at all, and opz is fairly green in the eyes of our so sayer pandain. And our fellow logicians. This is the first post he's made that really says anything, and it doesnt say much. He doesnt share his feelings he's like OKAY LETS DO THIS, im gonna copy what other people say and say it like that's my idea, isnt that great! Pro town factor: 0, CAN WE KILL THIS JOKER YET? | ||
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On September 02 2010 08:04 Pandain wrote: Opz I <3 you. New change: Tracker tracks Darth. We lynch Brownbear tommorow. Amazing catch opz OH SURE YOU GO WITH THAT but you dont even acknowledge the analysis i did on how fucking useless and not helping town this scum bastard has been all game. Yes we should lynch him | ||
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On September 02 2010 10:53 citi.zen wrote: I survived a hit last night. Also, I tracked lsb to myself. ##vote LSB Radfield, Sinliquidy, Citi.zen, Opz, Bumatlarge are the confirmed people now so i trust you entirely, what is it we are going to think about? I'm all for thinking though! | ||
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On September 02 2010 12:26 citi.zen wrote: Updated info sheet: #1 rastaban--- Comp Vig (role confirmed by Hesmyrr), claims he got RB-ed night 2 #2 #3 LSB --- Traitor, recruited night 2 #4 #5 #6 #7 #8 Fishball --- Claimed Bullet Bill, checked Opz night one and Sinliquidy night 2 #9 Opz --- Claimed Meth Man after claiming Tracker, ELF, no gun according to Fishball #10 Citizen --- Tracker, ELF, JeeJee to DTA night one, saw Chaoser stand still night 2 #11 BrownBear --- caught lying about what he tried to draft #12 JeeJee - Can travel, visited DTA night 1, DTA said he did not get role blocked #13 DarthThienAn - Claimed JeeJee is not RB #14 siNiquity --- ELF, no gun according to Fishball #15 Divinek --- Day Vig, killed BM day 1 #16 #17 #18 Bumatlarge --- Watcher, ELF, saw 4 people visit Zeks night 1and one visit LSB night 2 #19 Pandain --- Claimed Pardoner, then Martyr, then pardoner again, then said it was all a joke In addition to LSB we have the medic or JOAT who saved me (thanks) and 3 reds in here: Fishball Brownbear JeeJee DarthThienAn Divinek Pandain There is role-blocker and at least another mafia traveling role. well i think bb is pretty much a shoe in and since ill eliminate myself but even if you dont wanna believe that then it's what Darth, fish/pandain? im confused with pandain because he's lied alot lol, which makes no sense for a townie to do in his position. But why would a mafia lie about something so silly as well, doing dumb shit like pardoning when he knows it wont work then lying about how it didnt go through blah blah | ||
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On September 02 2010 15:29 BrownBear wrote: ... You know what, since people are ignoring me, fuck it. Go ahead and lynch me. You'll be wrong, and you'll all feel really stupid. you've been 100% useless this whole game, why do you think we shouldn't lynch you? Other than some wifom argument | ||
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should for sure for sure protect a confirmed townie because mob will have to be gunning for them! | ||
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yes we should for sure lynch lsb cause #1 rastaban--- Comp Vig (role confirmed by Hesmyrr), claims he got RB-ed night 2 #3 LSB --- Traitor, recruited night 2 #8 Fishball --- Claimed Bullet Bill, checked Opz night one and Sinliquidy night 2 #11 BrownBear --- caught lying about what he tried to draft #12 JeeJee - Can travel, visited DTA night 1, DTA said he did not get role blocked #13 DarthThienAn - Claimed JeeJee is not RB #15 Divinek --- Day Vig, killed BM day 1 #19 Pandain --- Claimed Pardoner, then Martyr, then pardoner again, then said it was all a joke that's the list of unconfirmed people, 8 out of 12. Thus 4 confirmed townies, thus there are 3 mafia remaining, thus we should kill the traitor and our comp vig asap, because he could be mob and that'd be reaaaaaaal bad but with 4 confirmed outnumbering the mob, and they know we'll be protecting those people, and one is a meth man, i think the mob is in a real bad situation right now so what do people think of killing lsb then rasta, or the other way is fine too whatever, cause they arent confirmed and they make excellent lycnhes at this point, getting rid of potential CV in mafia hands, and a traitor sorry for spam but after now ill be afk for 16 hours | ||
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On September 03 2010 07:24 citi.zen wrote: Very special. Thanks for be ing more active. Even if it's still not useful. that's why i almost dont care if we kill him immediately, unless he's roleblocker. Even if he's dead weight for town without a useful role he's dead weight for mafia, though if he's mafia and being this quiet im sure he would have a role. But id be game for getting darth popped tonight via some town kp. The thing is it's kind of silly to announce who is going to be hit because mafia are going to rb the hit if it's on mafia for sure, and maybe if it's on town. Soo yeah. ##vote lsb | ||
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On September 04 2010 00:20 rastaban wrote: Oh wow I am so glad you were able to clear your self with "I always play suspicious even as town", clearly there is no reason to ever suspect you from this point on out. Also the second part about being tracked, is a lie. Now did you know this or not is th real question. This is the reason I suspect you so much, You have 100% perfect cover, unless we have a legit alignment cop. DO I need to go over this individually. Role Cop: he gets that you are a KP role (Reserved acording to the plan you yourself said you were following) for only mafia. Bullet BIll: Sees you with a gun (Once again reserved for mafia so we could lynch on this) And now for the one you quickly jump to. Tracker: He will always see you staying at hope because your Day Vig role takes precedent. Here is the quote from ace that you seem to have glossed over: Once again I ask for you to answer to what I have said about you. Also read through all that I have said, I never once call your play scummy, I know that is your so called "Style" but I am arguing that you are playing from a position of deception. The crux of my argument isn't anti-town plays or that your posts lack content, but that you are speaking as one alignment and playing as another. A player may have a bad understanding of the game, say thinking lynching for information is good and will push for it. They are not helping town and they are wrong but they can still be town, that is why this argument can fail against players who are new or don't know what is the best course of action. What I am accusing you of is having that knowledge and admitting to it but then playing against it. See all the examples I cite above. Don't give me a 2 sentences and claiming you are clear when the method of clearing you we already know doesn't work. Don't you think you would have been tracked and cleared or confirmed already if it was that easy. sorry for the short reply i just skimmed it in the morning before i went to work ill actually read over it now! | ||
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On August 22 2010 08:48 Divinek wrote: i have a very pro town reason for not announcing my number though, which shall be explained if you guys keep with this silly draft list What is this Reason??? The reason is because i wanted to hit the same numbers as BM, because bm as a being is anti town so i wanted to make sure he was low on draft. Radfield had same plan! On August 24 2010 07:01 Divinek wrote: Show nested quote + oh dont worry i stuck to the plan, even after the draft list changed i re RNG'd my role Here he claims he stuck with the plan. This is obviously a lie since he took a role with a gun, so now he shows as having a gun plausibly to the bullet bill and role cop would have seen day vig which meant we were suppose to lynch hum i had stuck with the plan at this point, me switching to day vig was pretty last minute you can get ace to confirm this after the game ends if you want lol. Yes, i killed a townie, but this was no ordinary townie, this was bm, he might as well be a traitor every game he plays. On August 25 2010 11:53 Divinek wrote: Show nested quote + have you ever seen bill play. This is like the most pro town thing possible on day 1, it had to be done Here is his excuse to which I direct you to these insightful words that ver shared with us: " A point that will be emphasized continuously is the necessity to differentiate between mafia and bad townie play. You can't just lynch people and when they pop green excuse yourself by saying 'oh they were anti-town anyways.' The goal is to kill mafia, period. " Well i honestly didnt care if bm was red or not, yeah the goal is to kill mafia but on day 1 we dont have much of a chance at anything and really i just wanted to kill him because i thought it would be useful and FUNNY, god damn it did i enjoy it, if you want to lynch me for this go right the fuck ahead lol On August 25 2010 11:55 Divinek wrote: Show nested quote + i was partly hoping he would have some role that wasnt as dangerous, that the copycat could get. But really i just wanted to kill him. But ill take any bonus we can get. The bonus here he mention could have backfired terribly if instead BM had had a more useful role, there was not planning in this case to specifically remove a weak townie to void the copycat role. i realllly didnt care what role he had, but he was low on the draft list so it was safe to assume he didnt have anythign very good "Here we have Fishball, a long time player (who should know better) gladly congratulating Divinek for this play when it was one of the most anti-town moves possible." WHY WAS IT SO ANTI TOWN IT'S BM MAN On August 27 2010 08:38 Divinek wrote: oh we reached majority right before i got home well then my vote doesnt matter where it goes but i dun wanna be mod killed i wonder how many out of the 6 that didnt vote are scum ##vote hesmyrr Here I am confused, why throw suspicion on those who hadn't voted yet when he was one of them. It seems to me like a red feeling guilty for somewthing none had called them on. It is majority lynch, or course there were people who hadn't voted yet. it just seems that scum would hold off on voting if they can, you know, they dont often like to lead the charge! On August 28 2010 08:37 Divinek wrote: Show nested quote + why would you tell them you're vanilla oh my god jasoifsjeiorjs hey look someone for the mafia NOT TO KILL why did you even sign up for this game if you have no time, you never seem to, it's seriously annoying Another mafia favorite tactic, calling out inactivity in others. This works great since they don't have to actually do any analysis (work) to incriminate people. brown bear is an inactive piece of shit, he always is and it irritates me. It's not just a fucking mafia tacitc it's a good one, you can't let these fucking people coast by cause one of them is allllways mafia. On August 28 2010 10:12 Divinek wrote: woah lol sick, who can kill night one? and good job medic! or vet or something, who took a hit? Why is he fishing for roles like this, hoping to know who blocked his hit? i explained this one to pandain, i wasnt fishing for a role i was asking WHO took the hit, jeebus On September 01 2010 09:32 Divinek wrote: Show nested quote + i never like ending someone's life without fully understanding why but if you wanna be on my balls about it ##vote SR He admits that he doesn't have a reason to lynch SR, but he is going to anyway because of town pressure. This sounds like a mafia how is trying to find a reason to cast a vote so they can point to it later and say, Hey look I voted because you all wanted me to. Townplayers tend to stick to their convictions since they don't have as much to lose. actually i think we call this being a SHEEEEEP, and that i actually believed town "" LOL, what is up with this, he is the one who randomly killed a townie day one, who is he to spout platitudes on who to hit. This post is such a 180 from his play it is laughable. blah blah i already said why i shot bm "" im gonna keep mentioning how i want to kill chaoser to confirm his list " Here is where we get into such a blatant difference from his actual play and what he says. The last three posts are calling out for lynching on reason, and only lynching mafia. And those things are great and correct, but his very next post is, him saying lets lynch Chaoser for information. No reasons on why he thinks he is red, but just so he can confirm the list. This is perhaps the biggest slip up he makes continually saying one thing while pushing for another." yeahh i contradict myself, but i figured confirming a quarter of the game was pretty good imo. "This is where we were when I started writing this last night. I think it is fairly obvious that his play style this game matches his game where he was mafia. He has been playing with what seems to be a hidden agenda, spouting verbally the right things but in practice pushing for the opposite. Only scum have a reason to try and make people think they believe one thing while they act in another method. While townies might make mistakes and do moves that are not pro-town at times they will act in unison with their thoughts since they aren't playing from a deception point of view." my play style this game also matches up with games i played as TOWN, im consistent homes id like to give you a big thanks for only pointing out the negatives in everything i said! If you'd like me to elaborate on anything, or feel i left too much out please feel free. Maybe you'll realize i play the same as scum or town if i die! | ||
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Really though i just felt like it wasnt going anywhere, so instead of making a mountain out of a molehill i just left it for now | ||
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On September 04 2010 08:53 Pandain wrote: In the end, it doesn't really matter. As I said, here's the plan. The basis of this strategy is just ensuring that we find the roleblocker fast, and then we just protect confirmed townies and lynch the unconfirmed. We can go via a personal preference. Sure, after we hit BB and Darth we should go after Divinek. Everyone follow the above plan. Town's got this, let's not go and fadoodle it up. yeah i mean even if you guys see me as mafia no matter what i say, you could probably leave me until you find the roleblocker, because you know i cant be rb! But i really am town! (good argument right) Also i honestly didnt know i couldn't be tracked properly, this makes me sad . I thought there might be a chance BB could clear me cause i dont really have my gun any more since i shot it but i doubt it'll work like that, right ACE.Also i remember a few games ago where mr rasta did a nice little analysis of chaoser like that to get him killed when rasta was mob himself and then they won cause of it lol. | ||
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On September 04 2010 12:06 Pandain wrote: IF brownbear is town, we should lynch me(as I could be rightly roleblocker.) Forgive me, I said we should do it in the paragraph but then forgot to put it in the plan. Thank you. But then after doing that, we should lynch Rastaban. Because me and Brownbear are the only ones who could be mafia. Oh yeah, frick. Hmm... we may have to waste a lynch on him then. True beans, true beans. In fact, perhaps we should have the CV kill Fishball IF fishball was able to succesfully check me. Then he could confirm me, and we'd have both one less unconfirmed and one more confirmed. So the plan: We lynch Brownbear a.If mafia i.If roleblocker, then we have CV kill Divinek, fishball check me, and then lynch Fishball in the mroning. Medics can protect confirmed throughout that. ii.If not, then we have the CV kill me, and in the morning lynch rastaban once you find out im innocent. If in the chance that the CV is roleblocked, then you can lynch me right away. Because everyone else must be another role, and I must be mafia(because Fishball and Divinek and Rastaban are all confirmed roles, none of which are roleblockers.) Okay, I'm working on the part where if he is town(which I think unlikely anyway.) But I need to know some stuff: 1. Is there a town roleblocker 2. Citizen, did you track brownbear. Was it succesful? 3.Ace, if BM masoned up with Darth, will darth show up as mason. i think that sounds most reasonable. I'm willing to die if brown bear is role blocker, im also cool with you dying because of all your lying if he's RB'er. But i do think that after brownbear the next lynch should be rasta for sure. I dont see how it changes much if he's town. I still think you or me should be cv'ed and then rasta lynched the next day. | ||
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Unconfirmed: Pandain(unless fishball succesfully checked me), Divinek, Brownbear(will be lynched today), Rastaban, Fishball. as pandain said. so should i be the last one to die since you know i dont have a role that could be hurting town? (since we dont even know wtf pandain is) Or should my death be more pertinent because of my suspicious behaviour? Even though you know my only harm could be being a vanilla mafia at this point. Though would it be better to kill me because you know then you're not killing a potential blue role? But are blues even needed at this point, when we dont know if those are just mafia with roles? help me out objective confirmed townies Of course this is me wanting to live, but i'm also trying to look at it in a best way to help town. | ||
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On September 05 2010 06:45 ~OpZ~ wrote: Pandain. You are working under this assumption you are some how confirmed? =/ And lynching fishball at any situation right now, stupid as hell. Lynch for information, nah. We don't need to lynch him to confirm his checks? Why? Most of his checks are confirmed via Chaoser. I'm with Rastaban on Divinek, but I think Rastaban should CV him. ill gladly die for the team if you think it's necessary, but id much rather we hit a mafia first. Especially if they're controlling a useful role like CV or something. I think there can't be that many threatening roles left other than that can there? But pandain looks so juicy with his trail of lies. It's just like real life when you call someone on their bullshit and you corner then and they're 'OH DUDE I WAS JUST JOKING HOW COULD YOU NOT TELL'. Then again padain is 12 years old so maybe that is his idea of humour. And he has made all these big long posts that do look all townie like, maybe he's trying reeeeal hard. Almost the opposite of what I'm doing. I really feel like pandain is mafia, im sad that im too lazy to back this up with analysis, but it really is what i feel. Oh look im fanning flames by letting you know my opinion. Whatever use your own brain too! And though rastas analysis of me looks genuine, it still reminds me of that game he got chaoser killed where chaoser was a townie as i am, and he himself was mafia. But that reason alone really doesnt convince me of him, but we really should be taking a closer look at our CV and not be giving mafia 2KP at a near end to our game. Did rasta ever reply to my reply of his analysis? You shouldn't have some cookie cutter mold for what people have to act like to be of another alignment. Also opz why did you quote my post and then just talk about how bb voted for himself? Was that a mistake or were you gonna reply to it cause i really do want some real thoughts on that! | ||
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On September 05 2010 01:17 Pandain wrote: *sigh* Stick with the plan, guys. There are a number of flaws in your argument. For example, you say that if Divinek was mafia than he would have certainly used his day vig on Rastaban. But doing that would be certain death for divinek, so I highly doubt even a 1-1 trade would be good. Add to that the fact that the mafia has roleblocker and you can tell they wouldn't even need to worry that much about him. In addition, you yourself say that they can both be town. What are you doing then? You're getting rid of a sure fire lynch we have right now(Brownbear) for a maybe, just maybe lynch. Furthormore, add what I have said above about Rastaban to the fact that Rastaban started the whole suscipsion of Divinek(which Mafia would NEVER do at this late in the game.) Change back to Brownbear Sinq. But just to clarify, you are not town roleblocker correct? Just have to make sure. WRONG he's even done it before like two games ago as mafia lol, ive said this like 3 times. Why will no one acknowledge the benefits of killing the CV today. I think the risk of him being mafia is great and dangerous enough in itself. Though i suppose it'd be fine to kill him tomorrow too when it will be uh hm 7-2? or something. But if you do it that day it leads to 5-2 the next day worse case, but realistically you're gonna hit a mafia somewhere and it'll go 5-1 or something. That is unless pandain and rasta are mafia, and i really feel like at least one of those bastards is. Especially if BB flips town. | ||
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I still think it's funny that people think id pick day vig and pop BM as mafia, it's a wifom thing but you guys need to get to know me better oh and ##unvote ##vote rastaban i wholly support this plan | ||
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On September 06 2010 04:51 SiNiquity wrote: SiNiquity's Almost Guaranteed Plan to Win Does not rely on special powers (Bullet Bill, Tracker, Meth Head, etc). Does rely on Rasta ==> Divinek Lynch Rastaban
Now about Rasta ==> Divinek. I think it highly unlikely that Divinek would waste an opportunity to grab CV for the Mafia. Granted he did shoot BM, #18, who according to the plan had a 50% chance of being JOAT supposing it had slipped through #6 (50%), #9 (50%) and #12 (25%). It's very much a WIFOM argument - shoot low on the list, avoid suspicion, but pass up a chance at the CV role for Mafia. Anyway, mull it over. i think your argument is pretty air tight. Except for me being mafia makes rasta mafia, my shooting bm had nothing to do with anything really. I mean there are good bonuses that go along with it, but i just wanted bm to die. I'm sure you people are never going to believe me. But if i was red i doubt i would have used my day vig like i did on day 1 anyways. I shot bm cause i thought it was hilarious and would actually be beneficial to town (but 99% cause it made me laugh). i agree that if i was red and rasta was green i surely would have shot him with darth having cc, im not that blind with the idea of hilarity. to really get beyond the whole wifom of my day vig actions being just for fun you'd have to know how i think, not just any person, or anyone of a particular alignment but meeeeee. Bum probably knows me best and he still has me pegged for mafia , but i still think he's just maddddd.I'm actually going to be quite surprised if rasta flips town. Seems like there's so much bad stuff against him. But maybe im incorrectly pegging him as mafia, just as he did to me. My vote has to stay with him though | ||
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On September 06 2010 06:11 SiNiquity wrote: Also, while we're at it: would you like to roleclaim BrownBear? he said ages ago he's vanilla and tried to pick methman. Ez track | ||
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On September 06 2010 06:36 Pandain wrote: Actually now I'm thinking there has to be a roleblocker and Brownbear most likely is one(as Rastaban HAS to have been roleblocked or he would have been modkilled night two.) Should we take this into consideration? i think it was already also said that he could have stacked with mafia kill, and claimed rb | ||
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On September 06 2010 22:44 zeks wrote: why did both south and lsb pick traitor (same reason i picked day vig, to have fun | ||
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On August 05 2010 12:22 youngminii wrote: /in Sanity is pretty much a balancing tool. There's 4/5 sanities for Cop/Doc Sane Cop: All checks are accurate (bar certain role qualities ie. GF) Insane Cop: All checks are the opposite of what they should be Naive Cop: All checks are innocent Paranoid Cop: All checks are guilty For Docs it's similar Sane Doc: All protections are normal Insane Doc: 50% chance of killing the target Naive Doc: All protections do nothing Weak Doc: Doc dies if protecting a non-townie And there's one I've seen used but it's quite rare... I think it was in a bastard mod marathon game CPR Doc: Doc kills target if target is not attacked | ||
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On September 07 2010 13:26 Fishball wrote: Just to elaborate a bit here, I didn't really want to claim to be Role Blocked. I actually put in "orders" to hit myself and call it a day (plus I knew I would be busy during this long weekend), but Rastaban changed it to JeeJee. Me asking to die in the thread was actually sincere. This was on Friday night, where I knew the game was already lost. For the record, I did not hit Chaoser, and I still don't know why the guys did it... Anyways, after that long post from Rastaban on Divenek, I thought it wouldn't be too nice to put his efforts to "waste", so I just played along, despite the inevitable. see now everytime rasta comes out of no where with an end game analysis on someone, im going to push for his lynch soooooooooooo hard. I was hoping he was being mindlessly consistent like before, and indeed he was. I mean i knew i was town, and the way he posted i felt like he knew too lol. wait what in the world. Why would you guys ever hit chaoser?(er those guys i suppose since you didnt) lol if you know none of you are on the list and it confirms all those people....im so confused. | ||
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