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On August 29 2010 02:52 Radfield wrote:
Bum's story changes nothing about my above post. All it means is that 4 people targeted zeks. It does not mean he isn't the traitor.
Bumatlarge is one of the people who targeted him I would guess(Are you able to confirm that Ace? Whether or not the watcher is included in the number)
If that's the case, then a doctor or 2, and the mafia or mafia +roleblocker visited zeks last night. Outside shot that a doctor, mafia and rolecop visited.
lol no the Watcher is not counted as one of the people in the results.
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So ALL mafia get seen visiting. Now, assuming we had 4 mafia in the game to start, would a watcher see 4 or 3 mafia last night given that a mafia died during the night.
Which is resolved first, mafia dying, or mafia killing?
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Okay guys I need to know something very important: Was anyone roleblocked?
Also, Ace, does the person find out if they are roleblocked?
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@Radfield: All scum are present for any action. Whether one dies or not is irrelevant for game purposes of reporting information to most roles.
@Pandain: If someone is roleblocked they will always be notified.
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On August 29 2010 02:59 Radfield wrote:
So ALL mafia get seen visiting. Now, assuming we had 4 mafia in the game to start, would a watcher see 4 or 3 mafia last night given that a mafia died during the night.
Which is resolved first, mafia dying, or mafia killing?
Well time for Zeks to role claim. xD
He's either BP, or Vet.
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If you don't mind, Radfield. Sir, I would like your opinion also.
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On August 29 2010 03:04 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2010 02:59 Radfield wrote:
So ALL mafia get seen visiting. Now, assuming we had 4 mafia in the game to start, would a watcher see 4 or 3 mafia last night given that a mafia died during the night.
Which is resolved first, mafia dying, or mafia killing? Well time for Zeks to role claim. xD He's either BP, or Vet.
Yup, because there are very likely 4 mafia to start, which means no medic visited zeks last night. The watcher role actually comes in handy! I wouldn't have though it possible 
I can't believe picks 5 and 6 might have both picked traitor.... so sad. I have a feeling we have very few investigative roles.
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On August 29 2010 03:11 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2010 03:04 ~OpZ~ wrote:On August 29 2010 02:59 Radfield wrote:
So ALL mafia get seen visiting. Now, assuming we had 4 mafia in the game to start, would a watcher see 4 or 3 mafia last night given that a mafia died during the night.
Which is resolved first, mafia dying, or mafia killing? Well time for Zeks to role claim. xD He's either BP, or Vet. Yup, because there are very likely 4 mafia to start, which means no medic visited zeks last night. The watcher role actually comes in handy! I wouldn't have though it possible I can't believe picks 5 and 6 might have both picked traitor.... so sad. I have a feeling we have very few investigative roles.
Speaking of which, I feel like it's time to say something. This either gives town more information, or more importantly leaves scum unsure who is who.
I did not pick mason, even though I did originally.
I changed it n.n
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On August 29 2010 03:11 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2010 03:04 ~OpZ~ wrote:On August 29 2010 02:59 Radfield wrote:
So ALL mafia get seen visiting. Now, assuming we had 4 mafia in the game to start, would a watcher see 4 or 3 mafia last night given that a mafia died during the night.
Which is resolved first, mafia dying, or mafia killing? Well time for Zeks to role claim. xD He's either BP, or Vet. Yup, because there are very likely 4 mafia to start, which means no medic visited zeks last night. The watcher role actually comes in handy! I wouldn't have though it possible I can't believe picks 5 and 6 might have both picked traitor.... so sad. I have a feeling we have very few investigative roles.
Yeah fuck the haters! I figured as #18 it was a free role. And if im high on any 'to-kill' list because of this one instance, fine by me.
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Is the watcher included in the count of 4 people they see during the night, or is it 4 people excluding the watcher?
Also, does a role take precedence over the mafia hit from the watcher's perspective? Ex: is a mafia doctor protects someone other than Zeks, would that medic not be counted in as a visitor to Zeks?
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On August 29 2010 03:10 ~OpZ~ wrote:If you don't mind, Radfield. Sir, I would like your opinion also.
Yeah, I'm not 100% sure what you're asking me. Going through 7 games is a bit daunting, especially without the 'All' function. However, I'll certainly take your word that he's posting more than normal.
As far as my opinion on his play this game, he was basically off my radar until your post. I didn't have him down as scummy, nor as pro-town. I had looked through his posts once before, but had mostly skim read them. Looking through his posts again though changes my mind slightly. He has posted content, but also a lot of small one-two liners. His content also mainly consists of talk about the traitor, or other minor theorycrafting/questioning.
His large posts focus on the traitor scenario(laying out options), the CompVig(clarifying why hesmyrr picked CV), a vote on Hesmyrr, another post about the traitor.
He hasn't seriously fingered anyone as scummy, in fact has gone out of his way not to. He also hasn't really contributed anything as far as opinions or specific thoughts.
My read on him is certainly more scummy than before. Enough to recommend investigation, but not yet a lynch.
What are your thoughts?
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On August 29 2010 03:23 citi.zen wrote:
Is the watcher included in the count of 4 people they see during the night, or is it 4 people excluding the watcher?
Also, does a role take precedence over the mafia hit from the watcher's perspective? Ex: is a mafia doctor protects someone other than Zeks, would that medic not be counted in as a visitor to Zeks?
No, all of that is irrelevant to the Watcher role.
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On August 29 2010 03:23 citi.zen wrote:
Is the watcher included in the count of 4 people they see during the night, or is it 4 people excluding the watcher?
Also, does a role take precedence over the mafia hit from the watcher's perspective? Ex: is a mafia doctor protects someone other than Zeks, would that medic not be counted in as a visitor to Zeks?
From what Ace stated above. No the watcher is not included in the number, and ALL mafia are included in the hit.
By the way, thanks for the prompt responses Ace.
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On August 29 2010 03:23 citi.zen wrote:
Is the watcher included in the count of 4 people they see during the night, or is it 4 people excluding the watcher?
Also, does a role take precedence over the mafia hit from the watcher's perspective? Ex: is a mafia doctor protects someone other than Zeks, would that medic not be counted in as a visitor to Zeks?
ace said the watchers follow standard procedure
killing is usually one of the last things to get resolved (cops/cop-like stuff being the last), otherwise you get some bullshit like killing a medic before his protection goes through, correct me if i'm wrong ace
all this means is zeks is a defensive role if there are 4 mafia
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On August 29 2010 01:12 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2010 00:30 LSB wrote:On August 28 2010 14:44 SiNiquity wrote:On August 28 2010 12:18 citi.zen wrote:
Also, given how fast he claimed, I doubt he is the traitor - too little time to come up with such a plan. I disagree with this as well. Suppose you're traitor, and the town's on to you (i.e. you're in the top 5). It's night, you have a chance to be recruited, and you know Night ends at 9 PM EST. You check the thread, refreshing every few minutes to see what happened. Night post goes up and you see the following things: - Only kill was on a scum (clearly not the mafia hit)
- You've received a PM that you've been recruited
It's very easy to put two and two together and realize what happened (you took the hit and got recruited). Night post was at 10:06, Zeks claimed at 10:17. 11 minutes (+/- 1 minute). Heck, even a Mafia watching the events unfold could've PM'ed to Zeks to claim the hit. Plenty of time. Don't mistake this for me saying that Zeks is absolutely the traitor -- I just don't agree with the conclusion you've reached (i.e. that he's most likely not the traitor) based on the fact that he claimed quickly. Bed for real now  11 minutes actually is quite a long time if you think about it. In other games where I F5F5F5F5, I'd check my pms, and get a post in by a minute. Sure you can 'discuss stuff'. But discussion should take pretty long. Disclosing info on the other hand is a pretty spurr of the moment decision. If you played Mafia XXVIII (I think? The last one) BC claimed he got hit like RIGHT after the night post and he was GF so...yeah.
But BC actually got hit that game and got protected. So...
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On August 29 2010 03:20 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2010 03:11 Radfield wrote:On August 29 2010 03:04 ~OpZ~ wrote:On August 29 2010 02:59 Radfield wrote:
So ALL mafia get seen visiting. Now, assuming we had 4 mafia in the game to start, would a watcher see 4 or 3 mafia last night given that a mafia died during the night.
Which is resolved first, mafia dying, or mafia killing? Well time for Zeks to role claim. xD He's either BP, or Vet. Yup, because there are very likely 4 mafia to start, which means no medic visited zeks last night. The watcher role actually comes in handy! I wouldn't have though it possible I can't believe picks 5 and 6 might have both picked traitor.... so sad. I have a feeling we have very few investigative roles. Speaking of which, I feel like it's time to say something. This either gives town more information, or more importantly leaves scum unsure who is who. I did not pick mason, even though I did originally. I changed it n.n
That's great news, and a good move whether you are lying or not. I would say this actually gives both town and mafia less information and also means you may have a role instead of being vanilla. It also means you're more likely to draw a hit, given that if you followed the plan you have a decent shot at Bullet Bill/Alignment Cop/Medic.
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Indeed, thanks Ace.
So we had 4 mafia, one died but there is a traitor somewhere.+ Show Spoiler + I don't think the game would have one 3 mafia, at the end of last PYP Ace said he would give the mafia another KP in the future, but instead put in more mafia-friendly roles. I don't see him taking their number down to 3.
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On August 29 2010 03:29 JeeJee wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2010 03:23 citi.zen wrote:
Is the watcher included in the count of 4 people they see during the night, or is it 4 people excluding the watcher?
Also, does a role take precedence over the mafia hit from the watcher's perspective? Ex: is a mafia doctor protects someone other than Zeks, would that medic not be counted in as a visitor to Zeks? ace said the watchers follow standard procedure
killing is usually one of the last things to get resolved (cops/cop-like stuff being the last), otherwise you get some bullshit like killing a medic before his protection goes through, correct me if i'm wrong ace all this means is zeks is a defensive role if there are 4 mafia
Yes exactly ^_^
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A note for Chaoser on when to reveal your 5 names:
If someone gets killed on your list and you have the option to take a shot, you should inform the town. It may be advantageous to use your shot if there is someone particularly scummy on that list, but we would need to discuss it as a town.
Once two people on your list are NKed, I think you should inform the town. Not sure of this, but the idea would be to somewhat clear peoples names.
If the Serial Killer is killed, then you should reveal your list as soon as someone on it is NKed, because if you are not given the option to kill, it means that everyone else on your list is not mafia. Does that make sense?
Likewise, if all the mafia are killed, and someone on your list is NKed, you should reveal your list. Once again because anyone on your list would not be the SK.
There may be other scenarios here as well, so use your judgement. But remember, never ever take the shot without consulting town, as firing on your own and missing might lead to us lynching you, thus royally screwing ourselves over.
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I love PYP Mafia, it's just so much fun
Citizen, I'm interested to hear your thoughts. Anyone seem particularly pro- or anti- town. If you had to make a list of people to be investigated, who would be on it?
Also, can someone please comment on the case I made for Zeks being traitor.
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