EPTOf course my post about Citi.zen was just being nitpicky. In any case, I was advocating my own lynch as a way to stay true to the promises I made in day 1. I thought it was what you guys wanted :/. You guys can throw WIFOM at me all day but let two things be known clear: 1) I am okay with my own lynch. 2) I'll still be scum searching even if I am being lynched.
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SouthRawrea
Canada608 Posts
Of course my post about Citi.zen was just being nitpicky. In any case, I was advocating my own lynch as a way to stay true to the promises I made in day 1. I thought it was what you guys wanted :/. You guys can throw WIFOM at me all day but let two things be known clear: 1) I am okay with my own lynch. 2) I'll still be scum searching even if I am being lynched. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
chaoser <-Saying I'm Bad Santa him out, will give out my list and reasoning behind it all if asked LSB <- No real way to confirm he's PoD in a pro-town fashion Hesmyrr <-vanilla townie (Was suppose to try to pick PoD, CV, or BS) zeks <-Very possible is traitor. Either he needs to claim role and we test him while protecting him or we lynch him outright. SouthRawrea <--says someone above him took traitor | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
errr chaoser <-Saying I'm Bad Santa I hate that I can't edit out my grammar/spelling errors, does anyone else feel that way? x_x I keep staring at it and it bugs me to death. Also, fadoodles. | ||
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
BumAtLarge was less tipsy then he wanted to be that night, stumbling around people's backyards. He had his favorite batman mask on of course. He found himself in a bush, right next to zeks' backdoor! What a nice gentleman, always giving bum change. Before bum had the chance to leave the kind man's abode, a spiffy looking fellow came through the backway (only zeks' closest friends came that way). Bum's vision was wiggty-wack, so he couldnt recognize him. Zeks greeted the man late at night with open arms. Soon after a scruffy man with blood in his eyes, looking for answers cam crashing over the fence. he almost ran right into bum, but he was to preoccupied with his mission (whatever that was. Immediately two other men broke from hiding paces, ignoring each other and heading straight through the backdoor. A large tussel took place, and bum was too drunk to actually help (HE WASNT SCARED, HES THE GODDAMN BATMAN) Moments later, all 4 men left chasing one another into the night. Zeks, alive thank heavens, stared out at them a few seconds with a wide open mouth, that turned into determination rather quickly. He phoned the police, and bum knew better then to loiter much longer. The next day, zeks stood in trial to decide the truth to his story. It turns out he was a suspect in the mishandling of some docuements, leading people to doubt him. Bum came up as his alter ego, Brum Warge, homeless philosopher extraordinaire. He verified zeks tune, and gave zeks a wink, but zeks was glaring intently ahead, that determined look again. Bum couldn't really sort out zeks motives, as he never finished 3rd grade, but he was willing to put his life in the hands of the town with zeks to authenticate what happened that night. THE GOD DAMN BATMAN | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On August 29 2010 02:18 bumatlarge wrote: Time to be useful. I am the god damn batman BumAtLarge was less tipsy then he wanted to be that night, stumbling around people's backyards. He had his favorite batman mask on of course. He found himself in a bush, right next to zeks' backdoor! What a nice gentleman, always giving bum change. Before bum had the chance to leave the kind man's abode, a spiffy looking fellow came through the backway (only zeks' closest friends came that way). Bum's vision was wiggty-wack, so he couldnt recognize him. Zeks greeted the man late at night with open arms. Soon after a scruffy man with blood in his eyes, looking for answers cam crashing over the fence. he almost ran right into bum, but he was to preoccupied with his mission (whatever that was. Immediately two other men broke from hiding paces, ignoring each other and heading straight through the backdoor. A large tussel took place, and bum was too drunk to actually help (HE WASNT SCARED, HES THE GODDAMN BATMAN) Moments later, all 4 men left chasing one another into the night. Zeks, alive thank heavens, stared out at them a few seconds with a wide open mouth, that turned into determination rather quickly. He phoned the police, and bum knew better then to loiter much longer. The next day, zeks stood in trial to decide the truth to his story. It turns out he was a suspect in the mishandling of some docuements, leading people to doubt him. Bum came up as his alter ego, Brum Warge, homeless philosopher extraordinaire. He verified zeks tune, and gave zeks a wink, but zeks was glaring intently ahead, that determined look again. Bum couldn't really sort out zeks motives, as he never finished 3rd grade, but he was willing to put his life in the hands of the town with zeks to authenticate what happened that night. THE GOD DAMN BATMAN What are you trying to say? Is this anything meaningful or just useless jibber-jabberooni | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On August 29 2010 02:22 Pandain wrote: What are you trying to say? Is this anything meaningful or just useless jibber-jabberooni He just claimed watcher and said 4 people visited zeks last night. Also, He's fucking bat man....or bat shit insane....but atleast he is drunk.....and at large | ||
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
Going into last night, mafia had a few options. Obviously they want to use their abilities to try and pick up the potential traitor. The traitor is in one of 4 spots. 2,3,5,6. If we assume that the mafia only picked up red roles, and didn't risk getting vanilla by going after townie roles, then the only role they have with a night action is roleblocker. If I'm mafia, I would roleblock zeks, and target someone else. I wouldn't roleblock zeks, and then try to NK him. Roleblocking zeks is great, because if he's traitor you pick him up, if he's town(50% role cop) then you block his power. Also, you avoid the potential of him being the meth man and blowing yourself up. The only real reason I can see the mafia targeting zeks with a NK, is if they don't have the roleblocker. Just to be clear here zeks, you were not roleblocked, correct? My guess is, if the mafia don't have the roleblocker, the SK does, which is a scary thought, but means that a mafia likely got vanilla trying for it. Or the mafia avoided the red roles to try and blend in against the role cop. All that aside, who is our likely traitor/red in the top 6. I'm inclined to believe Southrawrea at the moment. He looks bad for going after the traitor role, but after he tried for it and failed, it makes total sense that he would claim it in the thread. That story makes more sense to me, and is more believable, than him being a mafia and playing the way he has, with some grand scheme to delay us or use vengeful player etc. Personally, I think zeks is likely the traitor, and I think it likely that he got picked up last night. More likely than the others at least. I believe there is an easy way to mainly clear zeks in my eyes. He roleclaims. At pick #5, zeks would risk a lot by lying about his roleclaim. He stated he followed the plan, although he actually contradicted himself: First he very clearly states what he did On August 25 2010 10:42 zeks wrote: i used random.org went exactly with this: #5 50% Role Cop, 50% Defensive role(Vet, Meth Man, or Bulletproof. 33% chance of each) 1-50 rolecop 50-67 vet 67-83 bulletproof 83-100 methman just sayin, i'm hoping everyone below me follows the plan as well. Then 12 hours later, he states that he actually went with a different set-up?? On August 26 2010 00:33 zeks wrote: you did go with radfield's list? if everything went according to that then the people who picked before you: rastaban - CV chaoser - Bad Santa LSB - PoD Hesmyrr - said he was picking anti-town role (if i remember correctly) Me - role cop / copy cat / defensive role (33/33/33) i know u shouldn't be announcing the role but this could be a place to start Oops. That's a bit odd. Care to clear up for us which one you actually went with Zeks? Even if that was an honest mistake(uh huh), lets look at what a roleclaim would mean. Zeks is either a role cop, a defensive role, or maybe the copy cat(?). Anything he claims is at a risk to double with someone below him. Fishball is a 50% role cop. 3 players below zeks are 50% defensive role, and another 2 are 25% defensive role. Copy Cat is testable since presumably he had to mason up with someone, so that person could vouch for him(with no risk to the other person). Either way, it forces zeks(who I believe to be the traitor) to take a risk, where we could immediately pin him. There is potential that a mafia member has the role cop or defensive role, which would allow zeks to make an uncontested role claim, but at least this gives us a chance.
Thoughts? Please keep in mind that the top three players all would run a 33% risk of immediately being found out by hesmyrr if they chose traitor. Also note that in my eyes Occam's Razor would lean towards Southrawrea telling the truth(it's less risky and less complicated). Zeks is also in the position where him taking traitor hurts the town and helps the mafia at the same time, making it extra advantageous to take traitor. I would like to hear everyone's thoughts on this. Personally, I think we should lynch zeks. Zeks flipping traitor gives us an excellent paper trail as well, and I have what I think is a great CV suggestion if he does indeed flip red. | ||
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
I hope one was a rolecop, as that would clear things up. | ||
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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
Green http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=119497 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=98457 Miller http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=111913 Blue http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=93286 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=110325 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=116703 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=91680 Long story short, I think Fishball's posting a lot more than average. | ||
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SiNiquity
United States734 Posts
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On August 29 2010 02:43 SiNiquity wrote: So bum watches zeks, 4 people (presumably all mafia) visit zeks in the night (i.e. target to kill). Is this number the pre- or post-SK kill? Depending on the answer there's either 4 or 3 mafia members remaining (5 or 4 if zeks was recruited). I think that is wrong. I think a watcher would only see 1 person visit if only the mafia targeted him. Ace, care to confirm? | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On August 29 2010 02:44 Radfield wrote: ACE, if a traitor is targeted by a weak medic, and a mafia on the same night, which would get resolved first? Would the medic die because he protected a scum player? Or would the protection go through, and then the traitor get turned? Weak Doctor would die. It's because a Cop would get a guilty result on a Traitor the Night he/she is recruited. So a Weak Doctor also needs to the "scum" trait to trigger or else we could have a situation where a Cop would and a Weak doc would have actions on the same player with 2 diff alignments confusing everyone. Note that for some roles this does not hold true. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
Why didn't mafia just use each of their roles to target #'s 1,2,3, and 5? three roles and one kill. I mean, even if the somehow got the worst of luck and only managed to get two roles, that's still a 3/4 chance. But according to bum zeks was visited by four people. If 4 people visited him: I can most likely seeing it be this 1.Mafia targets him to kill 2.Mafia roleblocks him(via defensive role) 3. Medic 4.Other role, Joat, tracker, actually would bum count as one of the numbers? Do you find out if your targeted with roleblock? If so, we need to know. Also, FoS on zeks for not saying so. Zeks says he was hit. I can't see mafia doing that unless he was roleblocked as well. That, or they don't have a roleblocker. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On August 29 2010 02:47 Radfield wrote: I think that is wrong. I think a watcher would only see 1 person visit if only the mafia targeted him. Ace, care to confirm? This game follows standard Watcher and Tracker powers. So if a Watcher sees someone targeted by Mafia they will see all the of them even if just 1 Scum does the killing. This is so that the Watcher role isn't too luck based. | ||
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
Bumatlarge is one of the people who targeted him I would guess(Are you able to confirm that Ace? Whether or not the watcher is included in the number) If that's the case, then a doctor or 2, and the mafia or mafia +roleblocker visited zeks last night. Outside shot that a doctor, mafia and rolecop visited. | ||
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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On August 29 2010 02:43 SiNiquity wrote: So bum watches zeks, 4 people (presumably all mafia) visit zeks in the night (i.e. target to kill). Is this number the pre- or post-SK kill? Depending on the answer there's either 4 or 3 mafia members remaining (5 or 4 if zeks was recruited). ...No...4 independent people visited him. Not all mafia. Clearly not because one got merc'd. A medic visited Zeks (or zeks is BP, Vet). A mafia must have visited him. And two to three other unaccounted for roles. | ||
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