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On August 29 2010 03:32 citi.zen wrote:Indeed, thanks Ace. So we had 4 mafia, one died but there is a traitor somewhere. + Show Spoiler + I don't think the game would have one 3 mafia, at the end of last PYP Ace said he would give the mafia another KP in the future, but instead put in more mafia-friendly roles. I don't see him taking their number down to 3.
how did you draw the conclusion that there is a traitor somewhere?
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On August 29 2010 03:53 Radfield wrote:
I love PYP Mafia, it's just so much fun
Citizen, I'm interested to hear your thoughts. Anyone seem particularly pro- or anti- town. If you had to make a list of people to be investigated, who would be on it?
Also, can someone please comment on the case I made for Zeks being traitor.
I want Zeks to claim first, this could shed a lot of light.
Reasons why Zeks could have survived the night:
1) He is the SK
2) He is Bulletproof
3) He is the Traitor
4) Doctor protected him (highly unlikely)
Zeks probably will claim Bulletproof. Once he claims bulletproof, we can watch to see if someone else claims bulletproof, or if someone claims they drafted bulletproof and didn't get it.
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Here's an up to date list of roles:
- rastaban - Compulsive Vig. (supported by Hesmyrr's confirmed town role)
- chaoser - Bad Santa or Traitor
- LSB - Prince of Darkness or Traitor
Hesmyrr - Vanilla (tried to grab C.V.)
- zeks - Bullet Bill, Veteran, Serial Killer (roles that can take a Mafia hit and survive), or Traitor
- SouthRawrea - Vanilla (tried to grab Traitor)
Subversion - Vanilla
- Fishball
- ~Opz~
- citi.zen
- BrownBear
- JeeJee
- DarthThienAn
- siNiquity
- Divinek - Day Vigilante
- Radfield
Bill Murray - Mason
- bumatlarge - Watcher
- Pandain - Not Mason
It occurred to me earlier there's a possibility for Zeks that AFAIK hasn't been mentioned -- that being that he's the Serial Killer.
You are a Vanilla Serial Killer!
Every night you can choose to kill 1 player. You show up Innocent to alignment checks and are bulletproof at night. Role checks reveal whatever role you picked in your draft, if you don't get a role you show up as Vanilla SK. Your kills also go through bulletproof vests.
You win by killing everyone else and being the last surviving player.
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Pfft LSB beat me to the punch 
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Except replace Veteran w/ Doctor and we agree.
Assumptions:
- Bum is not lying, meaning exactly 4 people visited Zeks last night
- There are at least 4 Mafia in the game.
- Confirmed by Ace: All of the Mafia visit when they kill a target (makes sense - this is Mafia, not Assassin).
- Confirmed by Ace: Watcher count takes precedence over Mafia member dying (Subversion)
Conclusion: Only Mafia visited Zeks last night.
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I didn't really consider Vet, because Bulletproof is so much more attractive at a role than Vet.
Vet has +1 life, but Bulletproof is invincible! (somewhat at least).
But that does complicate what Zeks will have to claim, increasing his chances of messing up if he is SK/Traitor.
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On August 29 2010 04:04 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2010 03:53 Radfield wrote:
I love PYP Mafia, it's just so much fun
Citizen, I'm interested to hear your thoughts. Anyone seem particularly pro- or anti- town. If you had to make a list of people to be investigated, who would be on it?
Also, can someone please comment on the case I made for Zeks being traitor. I want Zeks to claim first, this could shed a lot of light. Reasons why Zeks could have survived the night: 1) He is the SK 2) He is Bulletproof 3) He is the Traitor 4) Doctor protected him (highly unlikely) Zeks probably will claim Bulletproof. Once he claims bulletproof, we can watch to see if someone else claims bulletproof, or if someone claims they drafted bulletproof and didn't get it.
Why is doctor highly unlikely? 4 people visited him, Id put a lot of money into one of those being a doctor. Hes a good target to be hit, as a chief power blue pick, and now he could be traitor. Im thinking mafia have a roleblocker, hit him with the roleblock, and in case he wasnt traitor, nailed him with the hit to bypass the defense chances.
Also, Ace, what happens if SK gets roleblocked? That would give zeks exemption from the SK role, if he wouldnt have been able to hit anyone, or be bulletproof.
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Confirmed by Ace: All of the Mafia visit when they kill a target (makes sense - this is Mafia, not Assassin).
Oh I had no clue :X nevermind me lol
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Radfield: I went with the 33/33/33 role cop / copy cat / defensive role because there was mention that copycat should be picked earlier. I truthfully randomed my role.
Something that I've discovered
SR #6 below me is assumed vanilla town, Subversion at #7 was vanilla mafia
Which means Subversion could've overlaped with
1. rastaban CV
2. chaoser Bad Santa/traitor
3. LSB PoD/traitor
5. me RC/CC/Defensive role/traitor
Likelihood of Subversion picking
CV
next to nothing
Bad Santa or PoD
Don't see why Subversion will pick those either.
Traitor:
He's scum so he wouldn't pick traitor.
me: RC/CC/Defensive Role
Subversion likely overlapped with me and since Subversion is dead then it is likely that scum would know what my role is...
Unless Subversion overlapped with SouthRawrea, then that means South never picked traitor in the beginning - which doesn't make sense because South would be a townie with a role but lied about being a traitor
Thus conclusion: mafia knows my role and wants me dead by lynch since they couldn't finish the job last night
Which is why I'm not claiming because they will call me out on it.
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On August 29 2010 03:54 JeeJee wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2010 03:32 citi.zen wrote:Indeed, thanks Ace. So we had 4 mafia, one died but there is a traitor somewhere. + Show Spoiler + I don't think the game would have one 3 mafia, at the end of last PYP Ace said he would give the mafia another KP in the future, but instead put in more mafia-friendly roles. I don't see him taking their number down to 3. how did you draw the conclusion that there is a traitor somewhere?
I guess there doesn't have to be if SR lied. I'd still think it unlikely, but who knows.
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On August 29 2010 04:41 zeks wrote:
Radfield: I went with the 33/33/33 role cop / copy cat / defensive role because there was mention that copycat should be picked earlier. I truthfully randomed my role.
Something that I've discovered
SR #6 below me is assumed vanilla town, Subversion at #7 was vanilla mafia
Which means Subversion could've overlaped with
1. rastaban CV
2. chaoser Bad Santa/traitor
3. LSB PoD/traitor
5. me RC/CC/Defensive role/traitor
Likelihood of Subversion picking
CV
next to nothing
Bad Santa or PoD
Don't see why Subversion will pick those either.
Traitor:
He's scum so he wouldn't pick traitor.
me: RC/CC/Defensive Role
Subversion likely overlapped with me and since Subversion is dead then it is likely that scum would know what my role is...
Unless Subversion overlapped with SouthRawrea, then that means South never picked traitor in the beginning - which doesn't make sense because South would be a townie with a role but lied about being a traitor
Thus conclusion: mafia knows my role and wants me dead by lynch since they couldn't finish the job last night
Which is why I'm not claiming because they will call me out on it.
Okay, so the Mafia already knows your role.
Why aren't you telling us?
Are you worried the Mafia is going to fake claim? If that happens, we can easily kill the Mafia.
Are you hiding something?
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On August 29 2010 04:41 zeks wrote:
Radfield: I went with the 33/33/33 role cop / copy cat / defensive role because there was mention that copycat should be picked earlier. I truthfully randomed my role.
Something that I've discovered
SR #6 below me is assumed vanilla town, Subversion at #7 was vanilla mafia
Which means Subversion could've overlaped with
1. rastaban CV
2. chaoser Bad Santa/traitor
3. LSB PoD/traitor
5. me RC/CC/Defensive role/traitor
Likelihood of Subversion picking
CV
next to nothing
Bad Santa or PoD
Don't see why Subversion will pick those either.
Traitor:
He's scum so he wouldn't pick traitor.
me: RC/CC/Defensive Role
Subversion likely overlapped with me and since Subversion is dead then it is likely that scum would know what my role is...
Unless Subversion overlapped with SouthRawrea, then that means South never picked traitor in the beginning - which doesn't make sense because South would be a townie with a role but lied about being a traitor
Thus conclusion: mafia knows my role and wants me dead by lynch since they couldn't finish the job last night
Which is why I'm not claiming because they will call me out on it.
Very interesting post, I need to think about this more. You're saying the mafia knew your (defensive) role, but still chose to hit you, right?
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On August 29 2010 04:41 zeks wrote:
Radfield: I went with the 33/33/33 role cop / copy cat / defensive role because there was mention that copycat should be picked earlier. I truthfully randomed my role.
Something that I've discovered
SR #6 below me is assumed vanilla town, Subversion at #7 was vanilla mafia
Which means Subversion could've overlaped with
1. rastaban CV
2. chaoser Bad Santa/traitor
3. LSB PoD/traitor
5. me RC/CC/Defensive role/traitor
Likelihood of Subversion picking
CV
next to nothing
Bad Santa or PoD
Don't see why Subversion will pick those either.
Traitor:
He's scum so he wouldn't pick traitor.
me: RC/CC/Defensive Role
Subversion likely overlapped with me and since Subversion is dead then it is likely that scum would know what my role is...
Unless Subversion overlapped with SouthRawrea, then that means South never picked traitor in the beginning - which doesn't make sense because South would be a townie with a role but lied about being a traitor
Thus conclusion: mafia knows my role and wants me dead by lynch since they couldn't finish the job last night
Which is why I'm not claiming because they will call me out on it.
You're claiming rolecop?
mafia knows me role and wants me dead by lynch since they couldn't finish the job last night.
O.o. What other role could it be.
Also again, WAS ANYONE ROLEBLOCKED! It won't hurt you to tell(right?)
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I think what I said proves I'm not the traitor and in fact the traitor is either #2 chaoser or #3 LSB.
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On August 29 2010 04:41 zeks wrote:
Radfield: I went with the 33/33/33 role cop / copy cat / defensive role because there was mention that copycat should be picked earlier. I truthfully randomed my role.
Something that I've discovered
SR #6 below me is assumed vanilla town, Subversion at #7 was vanilla mafia
Which means Subversion could've overlaped with
1. rastaban CV
2. chaoser Bad Santa/traitor
3. LSB PoD/traitor
5. me RC/CC/Defensive role/traitor
Likelihood of Subversion picking
CV
next to nothing
Bad Santa or PoD
Don't see why Subversion will pick those either.
Traitor:
He's scum so he wouldn't pick traitor.
me: RC/CC/Defensive Role
Subversion likely overlapped with me and since Subversion is dead then it is likely that scum would know what my role is...
Unless Subversion overlapped with SouthRawrea, then that means South never picked traitor in the beginning - which doesn't make sense because South would be a townie with a role but lied about being a traitor
Thus conclusion: mafia knows my role and wants me dead by lynch since they couldn't finish the job last night
Which is why I'm not claiming because they will call me out on it.
Please roleclaim ASAP. Subversion came in late and claimed he did not read the plan. This could be BS, but either way there is a decent chance he chose PoD or BadSanta.
Please roleclaim
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Here's what I think. It seems so Obvious, I'm facepalming myself for not noticing it.
Subversion Picked Rolecop. I am 100% certain, he is mafia, Rolecop is THE town role here.
We should have already figured that out
This is confirmed because Zeks claims that he has a role that the mafia wants dead.
But was blocked, so mafia knows that Zeks is Rolecop
Mafia tries to kill Zeks
But! Zeks is actually Serial Killer. So it doesn't work!!
Zeks CANNOT claim, because we know that a doctor couldn't have protected him.
##VOTE: Zeks Because he is Serial Killer.
Note, SK will not work for us, he is decidedly anti town
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On August 29 2010 04:44 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2010 04:41 zeks wrote:
Radfield: I went with the 33/33/33 role cop / copy cat / defensive role because there was mention that copycat should be picked earlier. I truthfully randomed my role.
Something that I've discovered
SR #6 below me is assumed vanilla town, Subversion at #7 was vanilla mafia
Which means Subversion could've overlaped with
1. rastaban CV
2. chaoser Bad Santa/traitor
3. LSB PoD/traitor
5. me RC/CC/Defensive role/traitor
Likelihood of Subversion picking
CV
next to nothing
Bad Santa or PoD
Don't see why Subversion will pick those either.
Traitor:
He's scum so he wouldn't pick traitor.
me: RC/CC/Defensive Role
Subversion likely overlapped with me and since Subversion is dead then it is likely that scum would know what my role is...
Unless Subversion overlapped with SouthRawrea, then that means South never picked traitor in the beginning - which doesn't make sense because South would be a townie with a role but lied about being a traitor
Thus conclusion: mafia knows my role and wants me dead by lynch since they couldn't finish the job last night
Which is why I'm not claiming because they will call me out on it.
Okay, so the Mafia already knows your role. Why aren't you telling us? Are you worried the Mafia is going to fake claim? If that happens, we can easily kill the Mafia. Are you hiding something?
Assuming mafia knows my role - then they already know how I survived last night.
I'm not going to get into a 1v1 role claim / counter claim scenario - look what happened to the citi.zen vs. SouthRawrea mad hatter counter claim. I don't think that would be in town's best interest.
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On August 29 2010 04:51 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2010 04:41 zeks wrote:
Radfield: I went with the 33/33/33 role cop / copy cat / defensive role because there was mention that copycat should be picked earlier. I truthfully randomed my role.
Something that I've discovered
SR #6 below me is assumed vanilla town, Subversion at #7 was vanilla mafia
Which means Subversion could've overlaped with
1. rastaban CV
2. chaoser Bad Santa/traitor
3. LSB PoD/traitor
5. me RC/CC/Defensive role/traitor
Likelihood of Subversion picking
CV
next to nothing
Bad Santa or PoD
Don't see why Subversion will pick those either.
Traitor:
He's scum so he wouldn't pick traitor.
me: RC/CC/Defensive Role
Subversion likely overlapped with me and since Subversion is dead then it is likely that scum would know what my role is...
Unless Subversion overlapped with SouthRawrea, then that means South never picked traitor in the beginning - which doesn't make sense because South would be a townie with a role but lied about being a traitor
Thus conclusion: mafia knows my role and wants me dead by lynch since they couldn't finish the job last night
Which is why I'm not claiming because they will call me out on it.
Please roleclaim ASAP. Subversion came in late and claimed he did not read the plan. This could be BS, but either way there is a decent chance he chose PoD or BadSanta. Please roleclaim
Zeks is Rolecop.
Think, subversion must have picked rolecop, but is vanilla
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Why would mafia hit zeks if they knew his role? I guess I kinda confirmed hes a defense role, since he survived after 4 people visited, and now that seems unlikely its anything but a red visit.
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On August 29 2010 04:55 bumatlarge wrote:
Why would mafia hit zeks if they knew his role? I guess I kinda confirmed hes a defense role, since he survived after 4 people visited, and now that seems unlikely its anything but a red visit.
Exactly! Mafia would only hit zeks if they knew he was the rolecop!
But then why did he survive?
Because he's the serial killer
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