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On August 28 2010 10:55 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2010 10:47 Divinek wrote:On August 28 2010 10:14 Pandain wrote:On August 28 2010 10:12 Divinek wrote:
woah
lol sick, who can kill night one?
and good job medic! or vet or something, who took a hit? Don't roleclaim. It makes mafia unable to tell whether they actually hit a good role or the target just got medic protection. And roleclaiming won't help us anyway since no pms. Only thing it does is make them confirmed, but even then that isn't that helpful. If really need be he can say he got hit if he's going to die. Also, the serial killer did. of course you wouldn't roleclaim that would be retarded it's perfectly fine to say who took the hit because MAFIA KNOW, so we might as well know too, ya dig? so good on zeks for actually telling us i totally forgot the sk existed, nice sniping by him even though he's the enemy  Forgive me, it seemed like you wanted him to roleclaim(since yousaid "and good job medic! or vet or something, who took a hit?" it had seemed like you wanted to find out if it was a vet or protection) My bad.
who took a hit =/= please role claim
who took a hit = who took a hit???
everytime you say fadoodle im regretting choosing bm
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On August 28 2010 07:48 BrownBear wrote:
I'll claim. I missed the rolepicking deadline, so I'm vanilla.
And I know I've been inactive, I'm sorry. It's about to be orientation week and I'm working my ass off.
High five for believing this.
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If Zeks lied there would presumably be another person out there who took a mafia hit, unless the mafia made the nonsensical decision not to hit anyone. Also, given how fast he claimed, I doubt he is the traitor - too little time to come up with such a plan.
If Zeks told the truth, either Southrawarea lied, or there is a traitor in the top 3.
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On August 28 2010 12:18 citi.zen wrote:
If Zeks lied there would presumably be another person out there who took a mafia hit, unless the mafia made the nonsensical decision not to hit anyone. Also, given how fast he claimed, I doubt he is the traitor - too little time to come up with such a plan.
If Zeks told the truth, either Southrawarea lied, or there is a traitor in the top 3.
or zeks is telling the truth, he got hit, and he's traitor so he got recruited isntead of killed
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On August 28 2010 12:18 citi.zen wrote:
If Zeks lied there would presumably be another person out there who took a mafia hit, unless the mafia made the nonsensical decision not to hit anyone. Also, given how fast he claimed, I doubt he is the traitor - too little time to come up with such a plan.
If Zeks told the truth, either Southrawarea lied, or there is a traitor in the top 3.
Good call. But South is constantly saying lynch him. So I'm kind of confused. Playing on towns sympathy?
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Once we find out for sure Zeks alignment we will also have some great information as well.
If he is town, then we know we know we have a doctor, and he isn't naive, of course he could be vet/bulletproof but that is kind of unlikely.
The other interesting thing is that Subversion flipped Vanilla, This is good news, looking at this list from radfield:
- rastaban---- Comp Vig
- Chaoser ---- Bad Santa
- LSB ---- Prince of Darkness
- Hesmyrr ---- Vanilla
- Zeks ---- Role Cop, Defensive role or Copy Cat(??)
- Southrawrea ---- Traitor ------> Vanilla
- Subversion --- Picked whatever, Did not follow the plan
- Fishball
- Opz ---- Followed the plan --> Joat or Defensive role
- Citizen
- BrownBear
- JeeJee
- DarthThienAn
- siNiquity
- Divinek ----- Day Vig
- Radfield
- Bill Murray ---- Mason
- Bumatlarge
- Pandain ---- Mason
We know he tried to grab a role in the top 6, and mafia can't use Traitor so we can eliminate that 1 which means he went for one of these 4 roles.
- rastaban---- Comp Vig
- Chaoser ---- Bad Santa
- LSB ---- Prince of Darkness
- Zeks ---- Role Cop, Defensive role or Copy Cat(??)
It is possible we might have more vanilla red since they probably tried to grab the top 3 power roles hoping people didn't follow the plan.
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On August 28 2010 12:18 citi.zen wrote:If Zeks told the truth, either Southrawarea lied, or there is a traitor in the top 3.
You cannot rule out the possibility of Zeks being a traitor in either case.
Traitor - You hold no allegiance to the town. If you are targeted by Scum at night with any action, instead of that action happening you'll be recruited by them instead. You lose if the Mafia lose. However you are part of the town count before recruitment. This role is nullified for the Serial Killer(s) since it may be too broken if they have it.
As Zeks even admitted, he made a juicy target (win/win from Mafia perspective - gain a recruit or kill someone with a #5 pick). So even if he's telling the truth about taking a hit he could still be a traitor, as any night action could recruit him.
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On August 28 2010 12:30 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2010 12:18 citi.zen wrote:
If Zeks lied there would presumably be another person out there who took a mafia hit, unless the mafia made the nonsensical decision not to hit anyone. Also, given how fast he claimed, I doubt he is the traitor - too little time to come up with such a plan.
If Zeks told the truth, either Southrawarea lied, or there is a traitor in the top 3. or zeks is telling the truth, he got hit, and he's traitor so he got recruited isntead of killed
-_- I somehow completely missed this post. Sorry, bed it is.
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On August 28 2010 12:18 citi.zen wrote:
Also, given how fast he claimed, I doubt he is the traitor - too little time to come up with such a plan.
I disagree with this as well. Suppose you're traitor, and the town's on to you (i.e. you're in the top 5). It's night, you have a chance to be recruited, and you know Night ends at 9 PM EST. You check the thread, refreshing every few minutes to see what happened. Night post goes up and you see the following things:
- Only kill was on a scum (clearly not the mafia hit)
- You've received a PM that you've been recruited
It's very easy to put two and two together and realize what happened (you took the hit and got recruited). Night post was at 10:06, Zeks claimed at 10:17. 11 minutes (+/- 1 minute). Heck, even a Mafia watching the events unfold could've PM'ed to Zeks to claim the hit. Plenty of time.
Don't mistake this for me saying that Zeks is absolutely the traitor -- I just don't agree with the conclusion you've reached (i.e. that he's most likely not the traitor) based on the fact that he claimed quickly.
Bed for real now 
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Hmm.
Let's assume zeks is traitor and was recruited by a mafia night action. Assuming no one counterclaims taking a hit later today, mafia targeted him with their night kill - like someone said, win/win in regard to zeks being #5 and possible traitor.
What are the advantages of him coming forward about being hit? Well, it buys him credibility (posting almost immediately), and it's a pro-town thing to claim after being hit by mafia (it was obviously a mafia hit, unless, again, a counterclaim later today).
What are the disadvantages? People know he took a hit, and therefore, he's thrust into the spotlight. Why would he claim if he could've just slipped by while the town raged about someone not coming forward? Stay in the shadows, etc. To me, it makes a lot more sense for him not to say anything, and to stay under the radar and all that. So I really doubt that he's the traitor.
Another thing I'd like to point out is that mafia most likely don't have roleblocker - zeks would've claimed "roleblocked" as well if that was the case, correct? It makes the most sense for mafia to roleblock + night hit the same person, just in case of bulletproof. Especially with only 1 KP, it makes missing a hit/failing a hit extremely costly for them. This is assuming that zeks isn't a traitor lying to us of course.
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
Nice to have you back Darth. Who do you think is scummy? Who do you think we should lynch today?
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On August 28 2010 16:53 DarthThienAn wrote:
Hmm.
Let's assume zeks is traitor and was recruited by a mafia night action. Assuming no one counterclaims taking a hit later today, mafia targeted him with their night kill - like someone said, win/win in regard to zeks being #5 and possible traitor.
What are the advantages of him coming forward about being hit? Well, it buys him credibility (posting almost immediately), and it's a pro-town thing to claim after being hit by mafia (it was obviously a mafia hit, unless, again, a counterclaim later today).
What are the disadvantages? People know he took a hit, and therefore, he's thrust into the spotlight. Why would he claim if he could've just slipped by while the town raged about someone not coming forward? Stay in the shadows, etc. To me, it makes a lot more sense for him not to say anything, and to stay under the radar and all that. So I really doubt that he's the traitor.
Another thing I'd like to point out is that mafia most likely don't have roleblocker - zeks would've claimed "roleblocked" as well if that was the case, correct? It makes the most sense for mafia to roleblock + night hit the same person, just in case of bulletproof. Especially with only 1 KP, it makes missing a hit/failing a hit extremely costly for them. This is assuming that zeks isn't a traitor lying to us of course.
This.
Subversion flipped Vanilla. Scum has a maximum of 4? actions given all scum drafted something. I think it would make sense to throw all their actions out to fish out the traitor now that the top 6 is heavily under suspicion. However, instead of using a role-action to try to recruit me they decided to use their hit.
Like DTA said what advantages would I have from claiming a hit? Obviously I don't expect to suddenly be the center of the town circle free of all innoncence, I just think it's a pro-town move on my part and it doesn't get us finger pointing everywhere.
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The only thing I can think of that would motivate zeks to come forward if he is traitor is fear he was watched or the mafia was tracked to him. Seems unlikely and at any rate confirmable with an alignment check, so risky to lie and draw attention to himself. So as I said above, I think it likely SR lied or a top 3 pick lied.
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On August 28 2010 16:53 DarthThienAn wrote:
Hmm.
Let's assume zeks is traitor and was recruited by a mafia night action. Assuming no one counterclaims taking a hit later today, mafia targeted him with their night kill - like someone said, win/win in regard to zeks being #5 and possible traitor.
What are the advantages of him coming forward about being hit? Well, it buys him credibility (posting almost immediately), and it's a pro-town thing to claim after being hit by mafia (it was obviously a mafia hit, unless, again, a counterclaim later today).
What are the disadvantages? People know he took a hit, and therefore, he's thrust into the spotlight. Why would he claim if he could've just slipped by while the town raged about someone not coming forward? Stay in the shadows, etc. To me, it makes a lot more sense for him not to say anything, and to stay under the radar and all that. So I really doubt that he's the traitor.
Another thing I'd like to point out is that mafia most likely don't have roleblocker - zeks would've claimed "roleblocked" as well if that was the case, correct? It makes the most sense for mafia to roleblock + night hit the same person, just in case of bulletproof. Especially with only 1 KP, it makes missing a hit/failing a hit extremely costly for them. This is assuming that zeks isn't a traitor lying to us of course.
Interesting point about the roleblock. If anyone was roleblocked, please say so now. You do find out that you were roleblocked, correct? This will help us pin down mafia roles.
Also, please comment on JeeJee and your perspective on him from previous games/this one.
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On August 28 2010 14:44 SiNiquity wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2010 12:18 citi.zen wrote:
Also, given how fast he claimed, I doubt he is the traitor - too little time to come up with such a plan. I disagree with this as well. Suppose you're traitor, and the town's on to you (i.e. you're in the top 5). It's night, you have a chance to be recruited, and you know Night ends at 9 PM EST. You check the thread, refreshing every few minutes to see what happened. Night post goes up and you see the following things: - Only kill was on a scum (clearly not the mafia hit)
- You've received a PM that you've been recruited
It's very easy to put two and two together and realize what happened (you took the hit and got recruited). Night post was at 10:06, Zeks claimed at 10:17. 11 minutes (+/- 1 minute). Heck, even a Mafia watching the events unfold could've PM'ed to Zeks to claim the hit. Plenty of time. Don't mistake this for me saying that Zeks is absolutely the traitor -- I just don't agree with the conclusion you've reached (i.e. that he's most likely not the traitor) based on the fact that he claimed quickly. Bed for real now
11 minutes actually is quite a long time if you think about it. In other games where I F5F5F5F5, I'd check my pms, and get a post in by a minute.
Sure you can 'discuss stuff'. But discussion should take pretty long. Disclosing info on the other hand is a pretty spurr of the moment decision.
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On August 28 2010 23:47 citi.zen wrote:
The only thing I can think of that would motivate zeks to come forward if he is traitor is fear he was watched or the mafia was tracked to him. Seems unlikely and at any rate confirmable with an alignment check, so risky to lie and draw attention to himself. So as I said above, I think it likely SR lied or a top 3 pick lied.
This is real weak defense you're putting forward. The only reason you can think of? Of course there is pressure on him! There's slight pressure on everyone in the top 6 and zeks's name has come up as the next likely candidate or I'm lying. You and I very well know that alignment checks mean nothing until we know the sanity of the cop. Not to mention the cop has to out themselves which would be a foolish idea early on. Even a role cop would get just vanilla. Even if I'm not in much of a situation to be trusted ENTIRELY, for future purposes, FOS for mafia-like quick, pointless defense.
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Subversion Post analysis
He barely posted anything, all he has is a Post about Pandain and a post about SR
(Pandian) + Show Spoiler +On August 26 2010 09:28 Subversion wrote:
shame, pandain always has suspicion thrown on him.
last game i played with him he was also suspected quite a lot, but he was in fact town. not that he's above suspicion, just take ur feelings towards him with a pinch of salt.
(SR) + Show Spoiler +On August 27 2010 13:02 Subversion wrote:
does he actually REALLY want to be lynched tho? (lol frank pearce joke not intended)
or is he just saying "ahhh wow i suck i failed might as well lynch me" while knowing we probably won't do that at all.
i dont know, for me personally his post didnt actually make me consider lynching him.
Conclusion, we cannot figure out anything, Subversion acted like a Mafia lurking. Still, a scum dead is always a good thing!
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On August 29 2010 00:44 LSB wrote:Subversion Post analysis He barely posted anything, all he has is a Post about Pandain and a post about SR (Pandian) + Show Spoiler +On August 26 2010 09:28 Subversion wrote:
shame, pandain always has suspicion thrown on him.
last game i played with him he was also suspected quite a lot, but he was in fact town. not that he's above suspicion, just take ur feelings towards him with a pinch of salt.
(SR) + Show Spoiler +On August 27 2010 13:02 Subversion wrote:
does he actually REALLY want to be lynched tho? (lol frank pearce joke not intended)
or is he just saying "ahhh wow i suck i failed might as well lynch me" while knowing we probably won't do that at all.
i dont know, for me personally his post didnt actually make me consider lynching him. Conclusion, we cannot figure out anything, Subversion acted like a Mafia lurking. Still, a scum dead is always a good thing!
He has alot more posts you left out(prob 16 in all). Half of them were irrelevant of course, but do note he was against lynching south, stating so in 2 or so posts.
could be trying to regain cred of course, but given this and the fact we were supposed to lynch south, shouldn't we be doing that? Unless someone wants to offer a new lynch target...
##Vote Southrablahblah
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On August 29 2010 00:30 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2010 14:44 SiNiquity wrote:On August 28 2010 12:18 citi.zen wrote:
Also, given how fast he claimed, I doubt he is the traitor - too little time to come up with such a plan. I disagree with this as well. Suppose you're traitor, and the town's on to you (i.e. you're in the top 5). It's night, you have a chance to be recruited, and you know Night ends at 9 PM EST. You check the thread, refreshing every few minutes to see what happened. Night post goes up and you see the following things: - Only kill was on a scum (clearly not the mafia hit)
- You've received a PM that you've been recruited
It's very easy to put two and two together and realize what happened (you took the hit and got recruited). Night post was at 10:06, Zeks claimed at 10:17. 11 minutes (+/- 1 minute). Heck, even a Mafia watching the events unfold could've PM'ed to Zeks to claim the hit. Plenty of time. Don't mistake this for me saying that Zeks is absolutely the traitor -- I just don't agree with the conclusion you've reached (i.e. that he's most likely not the traitor) based on the fact that he claimed quickly. Bed for real now 11 minutes actually is quite a long time if you think about it. In other games where I F5F5F5F5, I'd check my pms, and get a post in by a minute. Sure you can 'discuss stuff'. But discussion should take pretty long. Disclosing info on the other hand is a pretty spurr of the moment decision.
If you played Mafia XXVIII (I think? The last one) BC claimed he got hit like RIGHT after the night post and he was GF so...yeah.
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