|
On August 07 2010 08:12 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:BM: "that's not what i was trying to do here, though, amber. i was trying to create confusion and get information out of the people who would be against roleclaiming (mafia and ninjas)." Show nested quote +You get no info out of that because no one should trust you. Townies should shoot this down because it is hella far from safe. Mafia should shoot this down if you aren't mafia. The only ones who should shoot this down are mafia members if you aren't mafia.
I am honestly not mafia. I am pro-town, bro.BM: "Do you honestly believe I expected a single person to actually roleclaim to me?" Show nested quote +Yes, because you admit so in the next sentence and conclude this post asking for more roleclaims. Also, if you are red even one claim is helpful. If you are blue, then you would have had to get all of the claims, which it should be obvious beforehand you would never get. Excuse me, but you are assuming that asking for them in the thread and expecting to get them out of the thread are the same thing. They're not. Sorry.
If I ever really wanted a claim, I would make it public, so we could lynch someone who is lying.BM: " I did, but it was through a PM, not in the thread. Why would I ever do that in the thread?" Show nested quote +PM is even less safe if you are mafia because then only mafia gets the info. Plus, you conclude this post saying tracker can claim in thread. Exactly, so I sort of give myself away that I would want it public if anything. If everyone honestly roleclaimed to me as a blue, though, we would win the game. Do I expect people to believe me? No. I would find them idiots for doing that. I am not mafia, so I don't really care, but I was just going over possibilities and trying to get a reaction out of people by posting some sort of content on a mediocre day 1.BM: "I'm willing to back off of this, because it was a ploy, and now i'm going to help the town in more traditional ways." All for the information. It generates discussion. I actually like confirming a townie, so I disagree with you, but the fact that I'm exploring possibilities instead of being negative and a policy driven nazi that stifles discussion and creativity...  BM: "Anyways, my plan is this: Have the tracker claim in the thread, to me, or to someone we as a collective agree upon. Have him call his shot. Afterwards, the watcher will watch the tracker and see who he visited. Bam. We have a confirmed slot." Show nested quote +We won't have confirmed shit. Assuming the claims are real (and we can't even be sure we have one of each of these roles) we will have a role blocked tracker and no progress. Maybe if it was claimed to someone trust worthy but I don't have any 100% trustworthy candidates yet. But they sure as hell can't claim in the thread. Also, it will be so easy for someone to fake claim watcher and just say yes he saw him, or no he didn't depending on what mafia want to do, because either one is plausible. And if we have multiple claims for tracker or watcher, how would we decide to go from there? There won't be multiple trackers, I disagree.
Show nested quote +Also, if it is so smart for blues to claim in thread, and you are blue, why aren't you claiming? Maybe you could've started a bandwagon onto your plan if you showed your commitment to it. If you are blue, I hope you don't claim. But it's just another inconsistency in your logic. There is no inconsistency depending on my role.Good for you, man, you might be smarter than me. I'm glad your IQ is that high. Since it is that high, are you in MENSA? If you are not, why not? That is above a 140, which should enable you to be in that.
|
On August 07 2010 09:05 BrownBear wrote:
lajarse could possibly be scum, but let's get everyone talking before we make a concrete decision. We still need to hear from Roffles and a couple others.
This post is scummy as fuck.
I am keeping it separate from my other posts to make it be read again
|
FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
On August 07 2010 13:40 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2010 13:39 larjarse wrote:
Divinek, I have PMed flamewheel several times with questions so callate la voca. Yeah flamewheel has been on MSN all night but still hasn't answered my question about whether a watcher can see a tracker attempting to track a ninja.
? Uhhh I have no logs on my MSN today.
If Watcher is watching ninja he/she sees nothing.
|
On August 07 2010 12:07 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2010 12:03 Pandain wrote:On August 07 2010 11:59 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:On August 07 2010 11:55 Divinek wrote:On August 07 2010 11:48 chaoser wrote:On August 07 2010 11:46 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:On August 07 2010 11:42 Pandain wrote:On August 07 2010 11:41 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:On August 07 2010 11:37 Pandain wrote:On August 07 2010 11:36 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
[quote]
Because I think he's red and if he flips red we can try the same thing with someone else. If he survives this lynch he can take the GF role and claim vet and put himself on vet and your plan can't help us determine whether he is a real vet or fake vet. just because you THINK he's red doesn't mean that's good enough of a reason to jeopardize a plan which could result in possibly two red's being captured or a 3way blue circle. Please, unvote him right now. ? I just explained how if he is red than your plan is useless. This also means that if he is a blue role that doesn't visit, your plan is useless. Your plan can be done with a lot of different people; it doesn't have to be BM. Your plan made sense till LSB pointed out that Godfather cannot be tracked. Then it got a lot more iffy and I want to go after the highly likely red as fast as possible. If godfather cannot be tracked, than we know he is GF and lynch him. WE got a certain GF than. Otherwise, without that knowledge there is just as great a chance you are lynching a blue. Plus, my plan revolves around BM claiming blue. Without him, than we still won't have a circle if mafia fakes as a tracker. GF cannot be tracked. Townie cannot be tracked. Veteran cannot be tracked. GF can appear as veteran or townie if desired. BM has already lied a few times this game. If he changes his claim to townie, would anyone care? He can also say he is a vigi and didn't want to waste his hit during the first night and use a real hit or mafia kp hit to claim later. even if they can't be tracked, watcher still sees tracker and if it's just the two then it's all gravy the thing is i think pyrr wants to push for bm's lynch and if he's our target for this then he cant really do that. which is understandable so it'd be perfectly reasonable to switch it to someone who we know we dont really want to lynch on day 1. Because while i doubt bm is going to get lynched it'd still be nice to leave him open to the possibility i mean we could like do it on someone like me or pandain, or uh i dunno you? someone who probably would never get GF because then we KNOW that person isnt mafia because the only way a tracked person isnt mafia is if they are the GF because even if you track a mafia member and they hit a medic or something "If you track Mafia, then you will be led to the scene of the first target on the Mafia hitlist." you're still led to a scene so you know exactly what happened and what the person you are tracking is this all depends on the fact that mafia havent already chosen their gf and if there is any cut off for doing so, other wise bm is as good as anyone else really unless we really want him to die Rules say mafia don't have to decide GF until end of day 1. I think we should wait until Day 1 ends and choose a target right at the start of Night 1, so blue roles have time to see and follow the plan. And we should just choose one of the inactive peeps at random, since the chance of them being GF is awful low. A tracker looking at a low-level player will probably see them go after someone on the hitlist if they are mafia since such a player would probably not be GF. This seems a much more safe use of Pandain's plan than BM. If he can't be tracked, than we go after vets and we get a GF. Everyone will mass roleclaim to watcher and tracker and from there we can find out who's who hopefully. Also, I think in nearly every one of my scenarios we either get 1. Two confirmed reds 2. One confirmed 3. Hidden GF in vets Either way, we will need a double lynch. I am voting for double lynch and urge others to do so. In which case Everyone can claim to watcher and tracker if the plan goes well regardless of whether or not BM is involved. Choosing someone high-profile like BM just makes it more likely that it will get fucked with. If BM is GF, Your plan is to kill off everyone that claims vet, after forcing all vets to claim? Whether BM is GF or real vet that plan sucks. I'll vote double lynch tomorrow if BM flips red. Otherwise I don't know who to go after and I don't think we will tomorrow. Day 2 double lynch is usually bad for town - I don't think this game is different. If I knew BM would be lynched today I'd vote double lynch but this is still up in the air.
how the fuck am i not involved
it was my idea in the first place to utilize these 2 roles
which is totally pro town
but ok
you're not a good lynch
keep convincing everyone of that, pyrrhuloxia
|
On August 07 2010 12:47 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2010 12:44 Pandain wrote:On August 07 2010 12:40 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:On August 07 2010 12:35 Divinek wrote:
it's still quite unlikely a noisy neighbour is going to visit bm that night
we can easily just get every townie that gets a pm from the 'watcher' to say he did and if it's more than say 1 or 2 , two would easily be even pushing it, then all the blues can know the watcher is a bullshitter.
and besides like said the mafia would have to for sure hit every blue on that list accurately and there's just no way mafia could come even close to doing this
because all the people that visit him KNOW they did it Yeah. There are a few fake claim opportunities I listed to watch out for, but I find this to be the best plan yet. Don't think we should use BM, though. It would probably be best to pick someone we are most sure is not a ninja, or someone from the PL Finals list. BM is NOT a ninja. I can guarantee you that 99.99%. His play has been WAY too active, too risky, too lynch-inducing to be a a ninja. Yeah, I can guarantee you 99.99% he's red and so I'd rather just see him go today *shrug*. Can't be too lynch-inducing when he's already out of the noose thanks to SouthRawrea's change (not necessarily fosing SR btw).
im not fucking red, stfu
|
On August 07 2010 08:13 rastaban wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2010 08:05 Pandain wrote:
How about we in the thread just say "okay, now all you people visit THIS GUY's" house. the people don't even have to claim. Than the watcher can meet up with the tracker and we have a town circle already. With no suicide bomber, we have no risk either.
OMFG WAS THIS AN ACTUAL IDEA!?!? That might be good??????
I know, I'm scared too O.o
Comments? Hmm it almost might would work... What the watcher though doesn't know who is who... the mafia can send their roleblocker or framer that night and now they are listed as verified. at first I thought mafia could hit him but the watcher would get the name of one of the mafia so it wouldn't be beneficial. Hmm I don't straight up disagree it might be an option but needs thought out a little more... Anyone else have any thoughts on this?
lol i like this idea, but i don't know if it will work.
On August 07 2010 08:33 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
KT 4-0 4-1 4-2 4-3 3-4 2-4 1-4 0-4
My unbiased and fun-inducing plan for determining THIS GUY:
Roffles (4-2 Either Team)
Hesmyrr (KT 4-3 SKT1) (KT 4-1 SKT1)
Artanis[xp] (KT 3-4 SKT1) (KT 1-4 SKT1)
They posted at least a bit so less likey ones here:
Laaan (KT 4-0 SKT1)
Love1Another (KT 0-4 SKT1) (If love1another gets lynched, put this on Laaan)
I guess it's not too guaranteed they will die for being THIS GUY since mafia can just send roleblocker or framer so we don't need to pick from inactives but I think this will work anyway.
by saying this guy and not that guy, are you implying you're kicking it as his place?
On August 07 2010 08:41 Pandain wrote:Some new things I've thought about since the power went out for like 5 minutes: 1.If we do get this circle going, shoudl the tracker/watcher claim publically? Then we could get people to even possibly roleclaim to them. And get medics protecting them and the such. The only problem I see with this is if they then get shot or the such, but with medics idk. Or if the mafia false claims, but then both the watcher and tracker can go together and say "No, we both agree we're blue." The mafia could risk 2 red, but I would view that as a reasonable trade and even a dt check or so could straighten things out. 2. Don't really see the need to pick a specific person, just anyone imo. But yeah, let's do it for the Proleague finals. >
I'm all for this too. SKT hwaiting? Where's my SKiTten flamewheel?
REALLY liking the discussion between Foolishness and Pyrrhuloxia at the end of page 23 and the beginning of page 24. One of them is mafia, I guarantee it. I'd go all in on that.
On August 07 2010 09:28 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2010 09:22 Foolishness wrote:On August 07 2010 09:21 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:On August 07 2010 09:16 Foolishness wrote:
I for god hope Pyrry is going to post his "list" of the 6 mafia (or 4 or 5 or whatever number you're sure on).
And to let you know I have a bunch of posts from mafia of previous games (not necessarily you) who all say something like "I got this mafia list figured out" or "I think I know who's mafia but I'm not going to say unless I really have to". It's pretty common to see mafia members do this.
I look really forward to hearing your response when I post good information about how you're mafia. I also look forward to you getting people to spam away my good post when I do post it (assuming you don't post your list, which, let's face it, you know you won't).
If you're pro-town, you'll post your list and give your reasons. There's no reason to wait. The more information in the open the better we are. I'll post when BM flips. What if BM doesn't get lynched (for whatever reason)? Well you will probably kill me tonight, so I will post all my info anyway, mafia number 2. You are my favorite player in all of TL Mafia, at least when you are town-aligned, so I am disappointed to see your red play be so obvious. You've now chainsaw defended Bill Murray against both Divinek and myself. Now, if Bill Murray flips blue, I will certainly not run roughshod after you and the rest of his sketchy defenders and defendees. But if he flips red, which seems EXTREMELY likely to me at this point, your ass is grass and killing me won't save you.
This is an old as play, and it only works when Foolishness is town-aligned, which he is not. He or you are red. I'm not sure which. I'm staying out of your little sissy argument, Pyrrhuloxia. I'll watch you guys fight, sorry, don't try to bring me into this.
On August 07 2010 12:53 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2010 12:51 bumatlarge wrote:
Ok ignore the fact that i stated pandains plan was in action 10 pages before he brought it up. I adapted mine from BM's plan where he said both watcher and tracker can RC to him. Than I said what if they just both track an anonymous person. Don't see what it would mean anyway :/
I wanted the tracker to claim in thread, honestly, regardless of what I said. He could call his shot, and watch who he said he was going to watch. Vigilantes and Ninjas wouldn't want to be outed day one. He could then get medic protected, and the watcher could watch him.
On August 07 2010 13:18 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2010 13:13 Pandain wrote:
How bout, with my plan, we add a DT checking BM. IF he turns out Vet, and DT can PM watcher, than we lynch him, because it's hella unlikely that he just HAPPENS to be those vets. Also, watcher can also ask for other vets to PM him counterclaiming just in case. Would be nice if BM could tell us what he is or comment on the plan.
I can tell you what i'm not! --- Red.
More than you can say.
On August 07 2010 13:20 Divinek wrote:Heyy Pyrr! Pandain! since you're among the two dudes actually reading the thread whaddya think? it's an UPDATE on my larjarse + Show Spoiler +hey lets look at larjarse's latest posts! On August 07 2010 01:54 larjarse wrote:
TBH rastaban is also looking quite suspicious. He is trying to do so much planning as a townie. I WANT THE MAN DEAD retarded spam On August 07 2010 02:11 larjarse wrote:
Valid point, rastaban. I am just G checking you to get some text.. As you can see, I haven't change my vote. retarded spam On August 07 2010 01:50 larjarse wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2010 23:18 love1another wrote:I'm a confirmed townie please. Don't kill me plz LOLing that noone said anything about this. And once he proclaimed that he is a townie, he was voted by rastaban and chaoser. Suspiciousssoo blah blah blah it's been said before On August 06 2010 15:04 larjarse wrote:
Can you stop talking about previous games? It kind of ruins the fun. spammmmm On August 06 2010 14:57 larjarse wrote:
I would say BillMurray's concern about not being randomly voted to be killed justifies that he probably isn't a Townie. what the fuck does this even mean? lol it loosk like a reason without a reason On August 06 2010 14:44 larjarse wrote:
BTW this leaves BillMurray and divinek tied at 3 votes each. blah blah we can all read dude ok you're getting my vote until you actually fucking post some content On August 07 2010 12:00 larjarse wrote:Divinek saying I spam spam spam on pg 23: This is my first game. You also excluded my posts that had content. So vote me if you please and calm down your e rage, bro. I voted BM becauese I instinctively feel like he's up to no good. If he's actually good, then oh well, it was a 1/6 chance anyways and it's only the first day. Many can sit here and theroize why people posted what and everthing, but you probably aren't going to know who anyone is today. Pyrrhuloxia United States. August 07 2010 10:12. I think we should be suspicious of people who defend others so early.. I agree! Divinek again targeting me on pg 25: speaking of which lets have a look at some inactive or people that have posted basically nothing thus far 1)lasjarles(or whatever) !!! Show nested quote +On August 07 2010 11:20 Divinek wrote:
also remember if tracker doesnt get anything from bm that either means he's town, gf, or ninja. But we should know the ninja thing cause no one will get anything, though the only way we know if these people got nothing is if they publically claim, so maybe we should have someone to do this for on day 2 as well so they dont have to publically tell us? Even though the odds are low
(at least i think if you track gf you dont get the info tracker normally would get)
so he doesnt have to be cleared, i think And the roleblocker/framer can change the entire story. Divinek seems sure that BM is going to be watched tonight and is posting his expected results to further defend BM and thus fuck over the town if he is actually scum. Show nested quote +On August 07 2010 11:46 Divinek wrote:On August 07 2010 11:42 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Maybe your plan isn't useless in the previous mentioned situations; it would be more accurate to say that it doesn't get any better by using BM and it could get much worse by using BM. i agree id much rather lynch him or one of the inactives and use the watcher/tracker thing on someone else So lets lynch him, and see what happens. Reading more bickering yadda yadda.. Okay lets just lynch BM and see what happens. Okey? Ok. Then maybe DivineK. since he posted a big post ill summarize my feelings of what he said here 1)he said i neglected his content posts, i quoted ALL of his posts (well okay not all i skipped two at the start that were one liners of stupid spam that everyone was doing at the time since the game JUST started so i figured they just fit in so they didnt count, but i assure you they are spam!), so he's lying LoL lets get to that later though 2) he says something we have already discussed at lenght long after that post was made, so his post is pointless rehashing of what we've covered 3) He really wants to lynch bm just to see what happens? Thanks for not helping town! Not, you look reaaaaaaaaaaaaaal bad buddy i dare someone to say he's been useful to town in anyway so far, can someone give me a reason not to vote for him? other people should read it too but i just wanted their attention extra special
The attention seeking Divinek does in this post comes across as very pro-town to me.
Also, why are we lynching someone who is going to be town and modkilled anyways? Let's just lynch Pyrrhuloxia or Foolishness because of pages 23/24... at least we get information that way as to which of them was mafia.
|
On August 07 2010 16:17 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2010 09:05 BrownBear wrote:
lajarse could possibly be scum, but let's get everyone talking before we make a concrete decision. We still need to hear from Roffles and a couple others. This post is scummy as fuck.I am keeping it separate from my other posts to make it be read again
Awww, Bill Murray chose to quote one of my posts and call it out as scummy while providing no reasoning why, at all, while being (if my counting is correct) the person with the most votes on him? I feel so special.
|
On August 07 2010 16:53 flamewheel wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2010 13:40 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:On August 07 2010 13:39 larjarse wrote:
Divinek, I have PMed flamewheel several times with questions so callate la voca. Yeah flamewheel has been on MSN all night but still hasn't answered my question about whether a watcher can see a tracker attempting to track a ninja. ? Uhhh I have no logs on my MSN today. If Watcher is watching ninja he/she sees nothing.
Wellllll that was unexpected and makes our plans potentially harder.
|
On August 07 2010 17:31 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2010 16:53 flamewheel wrote:On August 07 2010 13:40 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:On August 07 2010 13:39 larjarse wrote:
Divinek, I have PMed flamewheel several times with questions so callate la voca. Yeah flamewheel has been on MSN all night but still hasn't answered my question about whether a watcher can see a tracker attempting to track a ninja. ? Uhhh I have no logs on my MSN today. If Watcher is watching ninja he/she sees nothing. Wellllll that was unexpected and makes our plans potentially harder.
Doesn't matter, BM's not ninja. And as long as we stick with BM, we will have a non ninja, a potential blue, and a potential GF. I say we get watcher to watch him, than get dt to check him. If he's vet, we lynch him. If he's not, we go with your plan. That sounds reasonable to me.
|
Dude, Bill Murray. I underestimated you, man. Well, my biggest fuck up was thinking I could lynch you on day 1. I should have realized town will never try to lynch a mafia on day 1 because they'd rather go after townies that are goofing a bit or don't know what the hell they are doing. You're so fucking obvious and no one gives a shit. I'm so depressed over this. 
|
i'm not red bro
you need to drop that
|
On August 07 2010 17:40 Bill Murray wrote:
i'm not red bro
you need to drop that
so persuasive
|
|
|
On August 07 2010 17:38 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:Dude, Bill Murray. I underestimated you, man. Well, my biggest fuck up was thinking I could lynch you on day 1. I should have realized town will never try to lynch a mafia on day 1 because they'd rather go after townies that are goofing a bit or don't know what the hell they are doing. You're so fucking obvious and no one gives a shit. I'm so depressed over this.
If we get DT to check him, than if he's not vet tracker can tell whether he's mafia or not. Because the only blue role that cannot be tracked is vet, therefore if he's not vet, we can trust him. If he's vet, than we lynch him because he's too dangerous.
In addition, if he's not vet, we go ahead with your plan as well. Well maybe... still. I think the DT checking him is a nice addition.
Thoughts?
|
+ Show Spoiler +Pandain had found it! He had found the secret list, detailing everyone who was mafia. In addition, it was signed by flamewheel himself! He picked it up, and started typing it into his computer...when suddenly he noticed.
"Grand Finals"
Pandain threw the paper into the fire, and began to prepare collecting the tears of KT fanboys.
|
no
what we need is the tracker to claim, in thread, who they are going to track.
|
On August 07 2010 17:55 Bill Murray wrote:
no
what we need is the tracker to claim, in thread, who they are going to track.
Why do that? That only reveals who the tracker is to mafia. Much better imo just for town to publicly select one. I would prefer a townie actually coming up and saying "Hey pick me, a regular townie with no special abilities." But int he end, it doesn't really matter as the chances of said person getting shot by mafia is low.
|
the medics would know who to protect, then. the watcher watches him, and confirms whether or not he's lying. if he isn't lying, the watcher doesn't even need to claim. he can pm him if he wants, or not. i'd prefer if he didn't pm him, and didn't say anything, unless the tracker is lying.
|
On August 07 2010 18:01 Bill Murray wrote:
the medics would know who to protect, then. the watcher watches him, and confirms whether or not he's lying. if he isn't lying, the watcher doesn't even need to claim. he can pm him if he wants, or not. i'd prefer if he didn't pm him, and didn't say anything, unless the tracker is lying.
As of now and during this night the tracker will have no fear of being shot. The watcher won't reveal who he is/ tracker is until at least the day. All it does right now is invite the mafia to shoot him. I have already detailed how we will find a false claimer in the case a special mafia tries to fake as tracker.
|
your plan turns into an unorganized clusterfuck in which we will not be able to get any information at all. my plan turns into 1 confirmed townie and outs only 1 person who can be double medic protected. Does the mafia really want to triplestack on a double-protected tracker? I don't think they would.
Anyone who is against this is probably mafia
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT
