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[QUOTE]On August 07 2010 08:03 Bill Murray wrote:
[QUOTE]On August 07 2010 06:43 Incognito wrote:
[QUOTE]On August 06 2010 22:29 citi.zen wrote:
[QUOTE]On August 06 2010 22:14 zeks wrote:
As much as this game is about analyzing and question everything
Its also about trust - laying out possibilities and probabilities. Townies ain't going to be able to win without communication and teamwork. Not everyones going to be a DT and have rolechecks to 100% confirm someone - for those that aren't DT you have to draw the line on who's reliable and who's not. I think eventually everyone should be reaching out to someone during the duration of the game.[/QUOTE]
Right. Not even "trust", it's "calculated risk". This is what everyone does in every single mafia game, Incognito included.[/QUOTE]
In this case, your calculations were wrong, primarily based on the assumptions of what other people would/should do. Also, there are different degrees to calculated risk. Plans like the one you came up with are huge and can swing the game in either direction. When the range of results is that huge, there will be people who will oppose you.[/QUOTE]
All of this is applicable to what I'm trying to do here
Benefits of my plan:
a confirmed townie
Detriments of my plan:
having our tracker potentially killed, or us being confused if he is bus driven
[QUOTE]On August 07 2010 08:05 Pandain wrote:
How about we in the thread just say "okay, now all you people visit THIS GUY's" house. the people don't even have to claim. Than the watcher can meet up with the tracker and we have a town circle already. With no suicide bomber, we have no risk either.
OMFG WAS THIS AN ACTUAL IDEA!?!? That might be good??????
I know, I'm scared too O.o
Comments?
To clarify, we in the thread just decide for the watcher and tracker to visit ???. The watcher and Tracker DOES NOT CLAIM TO ANYONE. The watcher will then be like "hey, i saw you visited this guy." and pm him. Then we already have two blues in a town circle. Yay for townnnnnnnnnn
IS this a good idea? Oh my goodness I'm so excited. [/QUOTE]
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see the 8:03 on mine and the 8:05 on pandains?
thanks, but his "idea" is stolen from me.
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On August 07 2010 18:57 youngminii wrote:
Anyone get the feeling these guys are scum and are arguing with each other to distract town from any real progress?
Just sayin, 'cause when I opened this thread I felt like I had stepped into a clusterfuck of a warzone.
your hesitance makes you feel like mafia, youngminii. i'm going to take note of this, so minor fos, but not a vote.
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Also, it is irrelevant who came up with the idea, but I really wish the tracker would realize that it is less risky for us as a town to use my variant
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It was BM's Idea, I just modified it. Don't think I've denied that. Even stated it was a modification of your idea.
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ok, but since you "modified" my idea, you've ruined it.
you are letting a roleblocker ruin a circle potentially
the way i am doing it limits it to 1 person who needs to be pmed, the way you all have modified it makes it to where multiple people have to do multiple things. you all are also indicating to him where to go, which doesn't confirm shit.
it needs to be called BEFORE and BY the person. We can't say "Go to house A" or we won't know who the fucking tracker is in the first place. Your "idea" which suspiciously came RIGHT after mine is like the mafia-influenced variant of my idea. It enables multiple people to know where to go.
What I want the tracker to do is to roleclaim and to call his shot. Mafia won't do this unless they want to trade a roleblocker or framer for a tracker, which they won't want to. I'd take that trade. I really don't believe a ninja would want to get mixed up in that shit, either.
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by telling the mafia roles where to go, you taint the idea. by the tracker "calling his shot" we can not watch the house he's going to, but him. We can see if he's a liar. There's a big difference, bro. Your plan sucks.
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On August 07 2010 18:57 youngminii wrote:
Anyone get the feeling these guys are scum and are arguing with each other to distract town from any real progress?
Just sayin, 'cause when I opened this thread I felt like I had stepped into a clusterfuck of a warzone.
Change your vote to BM and see if I complain.
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On August 07 2010 19:08 Bill Murray wrote:
ok, but since you "modified" my idea, you've ruined it.
you are letting a roleblocker ruin a circle potentially
the way i am doing it limits it to 1 person who needs to be pmed, the way you all have modified it makes it to where multiple people have to do multiple things. you all are also indicating to him where to go, which doesn't confirm shit.
it needs to be called BEFORE and BY the person. We can't say "Go to house A" or we won't know who the fucking tracker is in the first place. Your "idea" which suspiciously came RIGHT after mine is like the mafia-influenced variant of my idea. It enables multiple people to know where to go.
What I want the tracker to do is to roleclaim and to call his shot. Mafia won't do this unless they want to trade a roleblocker or framer for a tracker, which they won't want to. I'd take that trade. I really don't believe a ninja would want to get mixed up in that shit, either.
wtf... you pm me saying you'd be alright with my plan if I gave you credit for the original, and then this? You confuse me so much. Instead of saying "it lets the mafia know stuff" say why that's bad. Yeah, the mafia knows we're checking. It's up to them to make their move. Either way, we've got them up against a wall.
Your plan might work, but I said this and I will say this again:
MY PLAN WILL FIGURE OUT YOUR ROLE AS WELL! So my plan is in effect, a better variation than yours.
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On August 07 2010 19:08 Bill Murray wrote:
ok, but since you "modified" my idea, you've ruined it.
you are letting a roleblocker ruin a circle potentially
the way i am doing it limits it to 1 person who needs to be pmed, the way you all have modified it makes it to where multiple people have to do multiple things. you all are also indicating to him where to go, which doesn't confirm shit.
it needs to be called BEFORE and BY the person. We can't say "Go to house A" or we won't know who the fucking tracker is in the first place. Your "idea" which suspiciously came RIGHT after mine is like the mafia-influenced variant of my idea. It enables multiple people to know where to go.
What I want the tracker to do is to roleclaim and to call his shot. Mafia won't do this unless they want to trade a roleblocker or framer for a tracker, which they won't want to. I'd take that trade. I really don't believe a ninja would want to get mixed up in that shit, either.
We made a plan to confirm the watcher. If the tracker calls it in the thread, the mafia can role block him. It's sorta like your idea is like your mafia-influenced idea for everyone to claim to you, except slightly less suspicious.
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your plan isn't good.
let me explain this in language even a 14 year old would understand:
watcher watches player a
tracker tracks player a
framer frames player a
roleblocker blocks player a
watcher sees tracker, framer, roleblocker, but doesn't know who is who
This is my plan:
watcher watches the claimed tracker who says he's visiting player a
tracker visits player a = we trust him
tracker doesn't visit player a = we discuss lynching him
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On August 07 2010 19:15 Bill Murray wrote:
your plan isn't good.
let me explain this in language even a 14 year old would understand:
watcher watches player a
tracker tracks player a
framer frames player a
roleblocker blocks player a
watcher sees tracker, framer, roleblocker, but doesn't know who is who
This is my plan:
watcher watches the claimed tracker who says he's visiting player a
tracker visits player a = we trust him
tracker doesn't visit player a = we discuss lynching him
ahaha, if that happens, that's the best thing ever. We get BOTH of the special roles for mafia. The watcher will know everyone, and basically we can medic protect the watcher and then lynch the other 3. Sure, we might lose a tracker but we'll get a framer and a roleblocker. Better evidence please.
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On August 07 2010 19:15 Bill Murray wrote:
your plan isn't good.
let me explain this in language even a 14 year old would understand:
watcher watches player a
tracker tracks player a
framer frames player a
roleblocker blocks player a
watcher sees tracker, framer, roleblocker, but doesn't know who is who
This is my plan:
watcher watches the claimed tracker who says he's visiting player a
tracker visits player a = we trust him
tracker doesn't visit player a = we discuss lynching him
This is our plan: blues don't have to claim to anyone unconfirmed.
This is your plan: blues get completely exposed.
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On August 07 2010 19:13 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2010 19:08 Bill Murray wrote:
ok, but since you "modified" my idea, you've ruined it.
you are letting a roleblocker ruin a circle potentially
the way i am doing it limits it to 1 person who needs to be pmed, the way you all have modified it makes it to where multiple people have to do multiple things. you all are also indicating to him where to go, which doesn't confirm shit.
it needs to be called BEFORE and BY the person. We can't say "Go to house A" or we won't know who the fucking tracker is in the first place. Your "idea" which suspiciously came RIGHT after mine is like the mafia-influenced variant of my idea. It enables multiple people to know where to go.
What I want the tracker to do is to roleclaim and to call his shot. Mafia won't do this unless they want to trade a roleblocker or framer for a tracker, which they won't want to. I'd take that trade. I really don't believe a ninja would want to get mixed up in that shit, either. We made a plan to confirm the watcher. If the tracker calls it in the thread, the mafia can role block him. It's sorta like your idea is like your mafia-influenced idea for everyone to claim to you, except slightly less suspicious.
ok, i honestly didn't think of this when i proposed it, but i did just a second ago. must have been ESP when i typed "we discuss lynching him". I honestly feel you are town, and you are behaving exactly like everyone else I've ever played with does when I am town. I know you're a power role by the way you're acting. You are likely a veteran, or a genius medic acting like a veteran would.
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On August 07 2010 19:16 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2010 19:15 Bill Murray wrote:
your plan isn't good.
let me explain this in language even a 14 year old would understand:
watcher watches player a
tracker tracks player a
framer frames player a
roleblocker blocks player a
watcher sees tracker, framer, roleblocker, but doesn't know who is who
This is my plan:
watcher watches the claimed tracker who says he's visiting player a
tracker visits player a = we trust him
tracker doesn't visit player a = we discuss lynching him ahaha, if that happens, that's the best thing ever. We get BOTH of the special roles for mafia. The watcher will know everyone, and basically we can medic protect the watcher and then lynch the other 3. Sure, we might lose a tracker but we'll get a framer and a roleblocker. Better evidence please.
Exactly. List of 3 with 2 mafia on it? We don't want that?
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On August 07 2010 19:16 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2010 19:15 Bill Murray wrote:
your plan isn't good.
let me explain this in language even a 14 year old would understand:
watcher watches player a
tracker tracks player a
framer frames player a
roleblocker blocks player a
watcher sees tracker, framer, roleblocker, but doesn't know who is who
This is my plan:
watcher watches the claimed tracker who says he's visiting player a
tracker visits player a = we trust him
tracker doesn't visit player a = we discuss lynching him ahaha, if that happens, that's the best thing ever. We get BOTH of the special roles for mafia. The watcher will know everyone, and basically we can medic protect the watcher and then lynch the other 3. Sure, we might lose a tracker but we'll get a framer and a roleblocker. Better evidence please.
it's not that easy, bro.
if it's like 7 people that visit me tonight, how does he know who is who? he just knows who visited, not what roles they are.
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On August 07 2010 19:17 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2010 19:16 Pandain wrote:On August 07 2010 19:15 Bill Murray wrote:
your plan isn't good.
let me explain this in language even a 14 year old would understand:
watcher watches player a
tracker tracks player a
framer frames player a
roleblocker blocks player a
watcher sees tracker, framer, roleblocker, but doesn't know who is who
This is my plan:
watcher watches the claimed tracker who says he's visiting player a
tracker visits player a = we trust him
tracker doesn't visit player a = we discuss lynching him ahaha, if that happens, that's the best thing ever. We get BOTH of the special roles for mafia. The watcher will know everyone, and basically we can medic protect the watcher and then lynch the other 3. Sure, we might lose a tracker but we'll get a framer and a roleblocker. Better evidence please. Exactly. List of 3 with 2 mafia on it? We don't want that?
you act like we'll KNOW they're mafia. We won't.
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On August 07 2010 19:19 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2010 19:17 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:On August 07 2010 19:16 Pandain wrote:On August 07 2010 19:15 Bill Murray wrote:
your plan isn't good.
let me explain this in language even a 14 year old would understand:
watcher watches player a
tracker tracks player a
framer frames player a
roleblocker blocks player a
watcher sees tracker, framer, roleblocker, but doesn't know who is who
This is my plan:
watcher watches the claimed tracker who says he's visiting player a
tracker visits player a = we trust him
tracker doesn't visit player a = we discuss lynching him ahaha, if that happens, that's the best thing ever. We get BOTH of the special roles for mafia. The watcher will know everyone, and basically we can medic protect the watcher and then lynch the other 3. Sure, we might lose a tracker but we'll get a framer and a roleblocker. Better evidence please. Exactly. List of 3 with 2 mafia on it? We don't want that? you act like we'll KNOW they're mafia. We won't.
you're right. ??% risk of wandering townie. Or blues ignoring plan but that's a risk with any plan.
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blues ignoring plan but reds not ignoring it, fakeclaiming blue, and raping us....
not like that ever happens....
or happened last game....
na,
no way, jose
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