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On August 08 2010 08:40 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: Soo I guess we don't know what roles are out there. Super mysterious. Anyone have any ideas for how to proceed? Anyone play in a game like this before? No PM's gets rid of a few things I think of. Can someone link me to a good example of a No PM game? But I think we should proceed with lynching the inactives Day 1. It puts pressure on the mafia and the town gets rid of someone that might just be playing lurker. With the penalties, everyone's abilities are dimminished, so I'm guessing we can't rely on circles and stuff (then again, that thought was kind of dead by the time PM were gone) | ||
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On August 08 2010 10:14 chaoser wrote: what's the difference between all the doctors? http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Doctor#Sanities | ||
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On August 08 2010 10:17 citi.zen wrote: I think everyone but the mafia has a penalty: On July 22 2010 23:22 Hesmyrr wrote: 3. Mafia will be provided with safe penalty claims to make early mass claim detrimental. Whatever that means. Probably I'm guessing that Mafia penalties aren't hurtful penalties, so what you were thinking | ||
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 I can't think of any plans that work. Is there a good game that I can read that's similar? | ||
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On August 08 2010 10:52 Divinek wrote: im confused as to what a safe penalty claim is even supposed to be. A safe penalty almost sounds like an oxymoron to me but i guess we dont get alot of info, this is the first like uh not standard game ive played since starting here so i hope it shall be fun and this is me saying hi Maybe a safe penalty claim would be like "You are bulletproof, but only if sometime in your post you say the word 'penalty' " Something that can't really be checked | ||
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Oh yeah that. Thanks! | ||
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On August 08 2010 18:56 Scamp wrote: And other than people who haven't posted yet, I currently have my eye on LSB and bumatlarge. LSB is acting super noobish, while bumatlarge has unhelpfully offered himself as a vigilante target for no good reason, though he claims his power sucks. Scamp, if your wondering why I'm noobish, look over my post history to see how many game I've played. As for BM. I'm wondering, if we lynch someone, would we see their role PM? Or just if someone dies would we see their role PM? Secondly, why are we assuming BM is a silent oracle? He could be a silent assassin. | ||
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On August 09 2010 00:11 citi.zen wrote: Bill, do just know Ace, or all the reds? Change vote to them sequentially if you know them, otherwise vote me then go back to w/e. Pyrr asked that question On August 08 2010 15:37 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: Hey Bill Murray. I think your role might be that you get a list of the mafia, or at least a partial list of the mafia, but you aren't allowed to talk. You are only allowed to make votes. If this is true, change your vote to scamp again and then to a mafia member that is not ace (if you have more than him) and then back to ace. Or just from scamp to ace if you only know Ace. Just ignore this if it isn't true. BM responded On August 08 2010 16:03 Bill Murray wrote: unvote vote scamp unvote vote ace | ||
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On August 09 2010 07:12 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: Lol "No post restriction bs though." Why didn't you post that earlier, Ace? ##abstain Talk ##vote BillMurray Other Issues -If BM actually has a weird post restriction stuff. Well after he's lynched we'll find out his role. That would be pretty helpful Why BM would do this, assuming he's mafia: Immediately, town got in a huge disarray. A split was made. BM was counting on this working so that Ace would die the first day. We then see that Ace is clean, and day 2 we would lynch BM and his best supporter, who would happen to be green. Bill's death buys 2 days and 2 innocents. However, looks like he made a small mistake :D As for lynching Pyrr. I would advise AGAINST lynching Pyrr now. The logic works like this Premise 1) If Bill Murry is Mafia, Pyrr is mafia Premise 2) Bill Murry is Mafia Therefore Pyrr is mafia. However, we should first confirm premise #2. We do that by lynching BM. We're going to lynch BM anyways, so why not now? Lynching Pyrr first could lead to a dead townie. And Pyrr being green does not tell us anything about BM | ||
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On August 09 2010 08:32 LSB wrote: Why BM would do this, assuming he's mafia: Immediately, town got in a huge disarray. A split was made. BM was counting on this working so that Ace would die the first day. We then see that Ace is clean, and day 2 we would lynch BM and his best supporter, who would happen to be green. Bill's death buys 2 days and 2 innocents. However, looks like he made a small mistake :D Oops I can't read either, there isn't any double lynch. In instead of 2 days, Bill's death buys 3 days. As day 3 we lynch his 'right hand man'. Assuming no vigis act, that would leave the town with 4 townies vrs. 2 mafia at the start of day 4. | ||
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On August 09 2010 08:48 bumatlarge wrote: Alright basically, I am a tree stump. If I use my power, I cannot die, and cannot vote. BUT if I use it, town pop goes down 1, and mafia pop goes up by 1. I.E. if i used it right now, town population would be 9 and mafia count would be 4. Im assuming that, if all the mafia are lynched out, then town wins regardless. There are no PMs allowed, so I cant accept mass roleclaim, so I dont really see a reason for me to use it anyway. ##Vote Bill Murray Don't use it!!!!! | ||
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On August 09 2010 09:08 chaoser wrote: I don't understand, what would mafia count becoming 4 mean? they have more KP? You become mafia? where's the 4th mafia? The count would matter for Lynch or Lose situations. The mafia automatically wins if they outnumber the town. | ||
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On August 09 2010 09:16 Scamp wrote: LSB your last few posts have been much better and as a result I'm less suspicious of you now. Keep playing like that. Maybe I should ask my questions in PM form to the mod then :S On August 09 2010 09:09 Divinek wrote: why is the logic that way? why cant it be the other way around, i was going to go into some big thing of explaining propositional calculus to you and other people but im sure that would just confuse people more. infact why does it have to go either way at all for sure. Surely there can be reasons for them both being mafia, or one and not the other...or even oddly enough neither i suppose http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirming_the_consequent Go brush up on your Propositional Calculus. And Ace's post seems like complete BS. BM does a vote post. We all go wtf? Pyrr was the first one to think that BM might have some post restriction thingy, and so he tests it out. That's being smart. Not manipulative. | ||
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On August 09 2010 07:07 Ace wrote: The problem here is that Pyrr made up Bill Murray's penalty for him, and BM being who he is ran with it. Really? | ||
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There are blue roles out there. Maybe a medic that can only work every other day or something. The moment the medic reveals, the medic has until daybreak till she* dies. *Just played BW, medics are shes. So blue roles wouldn't penalty post. But the people with anti-town/quirky stuff will penalty post. Mafia can narrow down their hit list. | ||
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On August 09 2010 09:44 Ace wrote: Yes really. Remember Bill Murray voted for me without any explanation, and then Pyrr came up with the idea that Bill Murray's penalty might be he can get results of scum without talking about it. Then he asked Bill Murray twice to prove it through vote switches and then switching back on to me. Bill Murray did it and hence we had Bill Murray's penalty. Did I misread some posts or get the order of events wrong? You're misplacing cause and effect. Bill Murry votes for you. This causes Pyrr to joke, and then suspect a voting penalty. Put yourself in Pyrr's shoes. On August 08 2010 12:07 Bill Murray wrote: ##Vote Ace I immediately think placeholder. Divinek thinks the same thing that I do On August 08 2010 12:18 Divinek wrote: i was expecting more spam than that from bm Pyrr, who is playing penalty mafia, gets an idea it's a penalty. Perfectly reasonable. Because really, why would BM do that? I haven't played with BM much, but from what I've read, BM doesn't seem like pop in, vote, afk. Kind of person Pyrr tries to confirm, and BM obliges him. This does not show that Pyrr is mafia. It shows that Pyrr is playing logically | ||
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On August 09 2010 09:45 Ace wrote: Everyone should penalty post. Blue/Green it doesn't matter because all of us have roles. Penalties are NOT tied to roles. If you think Mafia is going to just start sniping everyone based off of penalties then I'll ask you the same thing I asked Pyrr - what do you want the town to do instead? Looks like your making the same mistake that BM did On July 22 2010 23:22 Hesmyrr wrote: This setup also has another twist in it; all Townies (not mafia) will have specific penalties that either diminish strength of one's ability or simply anti-town. No post restriction bs though. I want the town to lynch BM, and work from there. | ||
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On August 09 2010 10:16 Ace wrote: Not at all. Reading the OP: If you are town you have a penalty. Doesn't matter if you are blue or green. Scum have fake penalties. # vote Pyrr Bill Murray may be an idiot, but I'm pretty certain you're scum. STOP PICKING AND READING This setup also has another twist in it; all Townies (not mafia) will have specific penalties that either diminish strength of one's ability or simply anti-town. No post restriction bs though. | ||
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On August 09 2010 10:23 Ace wrote: Does bumatlarge's penalty DIMINISH his tree stump ability? It doesn't. It's simply ANTI-TOWN. Highlight the entire quote and READ. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Converse_accident This is the mistake you are making. You can't take a few penalties and generalize them to all 13 Let's say there is a medic, her penalty is that she only works on even numbered days. Under rules this is possible. | ||
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On August 09 2010 10:31 Ace wrote: And if that's the penalty then the medic simply says my penalty is that I can only act on certain days. That doesn't tell you or anyone else that the role is medic. Did you READ when I first proposed this plan? We'll get your role later on in the game or upon death and then match it up with everything else we know. I know what I'm talking about and my logic is 100% on point, get off of wikipedia and use your head. What that tells the mafia is that the medic has an ability that can be used at night. The mafia won't know if the medic is a DT, or a Bus Driver, or a Vig, or a Medic. But all they will know is that they should kill the medic before night 2. It sounds like your part of the mafia, trying to get a nice hit list. | ||
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On August 09 2010 10:38 citi.zen wrote: I am stuck in "regular" mafia land, but to me this translates into: Ace: weak blue bumatlarge: strong blue zeks: vanilla townie Do we want this info out there? Na, bumatlarge is just the tree stump. http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Tree_Stump | ||
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On August 09 2010 10:41 Ace wrote: wrong. You don't know it's a medic. You've only seen the penalty. How does telling the town you can act on certain nights imply you're a medic? Explain, especially since any sane person's first thought would be Vigilante. What that tells the mafia is that the person has an ability that can be used at night. The mafia won't know if the person is a DT, or a Bus Driver, or a Vig, or a Medic. But all they will know is that they should kill the medic before night 2. | ||
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The mafia won't know if the blue is a DT, or a Bus Driver, or a Vig, or a Medic. But all they will know is that they should kill the blue before night 2. Whoops, left out a word in the previous copy paste | ||
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On August 09 2010 10:48 Ace wrote: ACTION can my anything, NOT Blue. Stop thinking like that. I've outlined it like 50 times. If you only know the penalty has the word action in it that does not imply a typical blue role. Look at the penalties we've got so far and tell me who's blue! I'm not going to help you think scum Scum, your lucky that I'm set on killing BM today | ||
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I am guilty of this myself, letting my personal feelings get in the way. But we right now can't afford to start diverting votes from BM in order to start bashing Ace or Pyrr. We've determined that BM is either A) Mafia, or B) a townie that just wants to make our lives difficult. Either way, this is Anti-Town. As for Ace's plan On August 09 2010 14:19 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: You wanna know my penalty? I can perform a certain action but it doesn't go through until two mornings later. Pyrr obviously has a blue action. Looks like this plan made blue sniping a lot easier for the scum | ||
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Of course. So lets see what penalty claiming has done for the town The Town knows that Pyrr is either Blue or Red. (Assuming Pyrr isn't in the mafia) The Mafia knows that Pyrr is Blue, because they have a PM of who is red. Target #1 on the hitlist So all we're doing is giving the mafia more information Lets say BM flips red. Ace would then be our next lynch. Ace was the one who figured out BM was just messing with us. After a bandwagon was formed. Ace responced by chainsaw defending BM. Very scummy | ||
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On August 10 2010 07:29 Ace wrote: Keep trying to scare people into penalties = blue sniping bullshit LSB. I also never said I don't want to take care of BM, I just find Pyrr far more scummy. Like I said this is very simple If your assumption is true then tell me what everyone's role is right now. None of you can because you don't know. I've asked this a good what, 7 times now? Okay scum, I'm doing this for the town Ace: BS penalty cause he's scum Bumatlarge: Tree stump Zeks: Townie Bill Murray: Townie or Red Korynne: He thankfully made his penalty really general, and he hasn't posted much so I can't tell. I think green, but I haven't found his 'penalty claim' post yet. Give me more penalties, I give you more answers There you go scum. Let's keep this straight, your plan Sucks. If I can figure roles out, a complete noob who hasn't survived the first night yet. The mafia can do it All you say is "LOL People are dumb! They can't figure it out! lol" Then the mafia can crack it. To me it sounds like a mafia honeypot I also don't care about Pyrr's claim because I think he's scummy. If Pyrr wants to save himself he can just role claim before the lynch if shit gets that bad. Otherwise my vote stays - he's made way too many mistakes on Day 1 to be playing this bad. Let's talk about our feelings I feel a bit queasy, cause I ate some fried stuff for dinner. I also feel a bit tired. Talking about feeling is really fun :D! Pyrr is offering himself as a sacrifice so we can take down BM. You didn't take it. Also I did not chainsaw defend Bill Murray, get your terms straight if you want to be taken seriously and not looked at as scum. Definition of Chainsaw defense. Scum defending their own by attacking someone else. I want to congratulate you scum. You pulled it off well. We know BM is scum, and you've successfully starved off his lynch in favor of Pyrr. kkthxbai LSB when are you actually going to contribute anything to the town instead of trying to attack me? You want to know what I'm contributing to the town? I'm trying to take down a known scum. Bill Murry. Your kill our DT. Congratulations. | ||
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I'm going after you because of the honeypot you created, not because of BM, and especially not because of Pyrr. | ||
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Let's say we have two people. Let's call them Bill Murry, and Ace. Bill Murry is mafia, he gets attacked. Ace is mafia, he starts attacking the DT. The town gets distracted and doesn't lynch BM and instead lynches the DT. That is the chainsaw defence | ||
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Look where our votes went. 3 votes went to BM, and Ace recieved 2 votes. If we all had focused on BM, he would be lynched. Instead, we broke up our votes and we got screwed over. Remember, there are 3 mafia. So all it takes is one of us to go after the wrong person, the three mafia members then jump on, bringing it to a total of 4 votes. Boom, Pyrr is dead | ||
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On August 10 2010 09:04 Ace wrote: Wrong. If that's the case then why I would call Bill Murray out and then defend him. Derp Derp? As soon as Hessmyrr answers my PM I'll know if I can role claim or not. This game is over. Offering one of your own as sacrifice? Look at my earlier post to see why On August 09 2010 08:36 LSB wrote: Oops I can't read either, there isn't any double lynch. In instead of 2 days, Bill's death buys 3 days. As day 3 we lynch his 'right hand man'. Assuming no vigis act, that would leave the town with 4 townies vrs. 2 mafia at the start of day 4. I have already answered these questions. What you are doing is asking me these things, trying to get me distracted. I'm pretty sure you'll roleclaim mafia. | ||
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You sound like the People in battle.net forums. OMG this game is unbalanced QQ. I will offer an alternate theory. This game is balanced by 1) Reversal of expectations. Mafia will expect things, things won't turn out right. 2) Large amounts of blue roles. Given that lots of people haven't role claimed yet, and our first lynch hits a blue, it's pretty likely that a lot of people are blue. What your theory sounds like is "Vigi! Please don't kill me tonight" | ||
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On August 10 2010 09:35 Ace wrote: false citizen. I only did that in like 4 out of 15 or so mafia games. That doesn't mean I like to do it ^_^ Thanks for taking responsibility of the vote switch though. It almost makes you innocent in my blood stained eyes. He admits to being awake up all night doing bloody work! :O | ||
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We were going to use the guillotine, but the ghost of Marie Antoinette is kindof scary. | ||
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On August 10 2010 23:22 chaoser wrote: jesus, i'm gone for a night and shit goes down -_-. Why didn't people get off Pyrr when he claimed DT? I guess it was too late at that point? Ace, you got some explaining to do...what is this "hidden ability" stuff about? A bunch of BS that Ace made up. | ||
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On August 11 2010 00:59 chaoser wrote: mm, are you sure it's bs? I want him to talk about it first/how he came tot he conclusion that he has a hidden ability before I decide On August 11 2010 00:27 citi.zen wrote: He didn't make it up, he logically deduced, based on the few penalties people posted so far, and without knowledge of the blue roles included in the game. I mean... the town was at -3 versus the "baseline" - what else could be going on besides hidden abilities?? Theirs quite a few completely wrong assumptions. Firstly, lets go over his logic again. EVERYONE in the town has a penalty. Not just the 4 people he used his 'data' from. So in reality, it should be far below -3. Okay, so lets pretend the town is really behind and we all have hidden roles. That doesn't sound like too much of a jump. So how in the world does Ace know he's going to die if he misses scum? Ace just pulls a role out of a hat and pretends it fits. Who knows, maybe if Ace visits a scum, the scum dies? That would be another penalty Faults with Aces logic 1) Assumption of population data with the penalties. But in reality, Ace just has a Green/Red Biased sample. Ace can't just say the score is -3:0 when 9 people haven't responded. 2) Assumption that there is 'nothing going for the town' and nothing wrong with the mafia Ace said At this point since the Mafia have no penalties the game would be highly unbalanced in their favor. This is flat out wrong. In this game, there is 1) Lots of blue roles. 2) Changing of expectations. Mafia will find that their ability is hindered. Ace can't assume their is hidden roles just because he QQs over the apparent imbalance in this game 3) Random role out of the hat. Ace can't just pick a random role out of the hat and pray it's the same one Hesmyrr chose. It's akain to me saying "I feel if I die on night one, I have a hidden role called 'death-curse' that kills all mafia members". Okay. Now I will show you why Ace is not town Lets check out this topic of Aces How Ace Plays as sucm On June 28 2010 13:33 Ace wrote: [*]The Art of Arguing:
Note the things I've bolded. Ace has made many logical fallacies and still tries to pull it through. When questioned about these problems, he just asks his own questions in return, ignoring the severe flaws in his plan. Conclusion: Ace is Scum | ||
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It seems more likely that Ace was killed by a Vigi, and then the Mafia's kill got blocked | ||
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On August 11 2010 09:47 citi.zen wrote: This makes no sense - ace was going to get lynched next anyway. That's what I was thinking | ||
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On August 11 2010 23:22 citi.zen wrote: OK... not talking will get us stuck. It's now 8v3, with a dead detective and medic. We need some activity here... Maybe proding the lurkers? Because really, all our plans are now killed. I'm even wondering if lynching BM is such a good idea anymore. | ||
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On August 12 2010 05:39 Bill Murray wrote: If noone says anything about it, I'm going to hit LSB, as I found the argument between him and ace to now be townie on townie. Ace who took us all by surprise when he flipped town. Maybe not you What I don't get is why you're so bloodthirsty. It's the second day in the row where you are the first to vote for lynch. I'm trying to see your motives, first day you send the town into disarray and jump onto the bandwagon on our DT. Second day your attacking me, cause I was trying to get rid of the most likely mafia member at the moment. I'll spend some time reviewing your posts. | ||
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Adjective Claims:: Penalty Claim. Role Ace: Nytophobic Must telegraph moves to the town before acting. Pyrr: Cautious Detective: Can't get results back until later Korynne: Dogmatic: Can't change actions. zeks: Pitiful: If lynched, random person on the wagon gets permanent +1 voting power LSB: citi.zen: Suicidal youngminii: Selfish Scamp: Lazy bumatlarge: Equivocating Treestump: Epic fail treestump. Basically becomes a mafia treestump if used Bill Murray: Wrathful Vigilante: If he dies, a town power role dies. Divinek: Unwary Jayme: Goth chaoser: Obvious If he votes majority, he cannot vote the next day. Okay, I don't get Chaoser's penalty connection with his adjective. @Bill Murry. Okay, I can confirm that there are NO more DTs. I don't know if it will help you On August 12 2010 10:42 bumatlarge wrote: Oh, how exactly did LSB go from Ambitious to vanilla? Lets just say after a certain event my abilities were diminished. | ||
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Adjective Claims:: Penalty Claim. Role Ace: Nytophobic Must telegraph moves to the town before acting. Pyrr: Cautious Detective: Can't get results back until later Korynne: Dogmatic: Can't change actions. zeks: Pitiful: If lynched, random person on the wagon gets permanent +1 voting power LSB: citi.zen: Suicidal youngminii: Selfish Scamp: Lazy bumatlarge: Equivocating Treestump: Epic fail treestump. Basically becomes a mafia treestump if used Bill Murray: Wrathful Vigilante: If he dies, a town power role dies. Divinek: Unwary Jayme: Goth chaoser: Obvious If he votes majority, he cannot vote the next day. Okay, I don't get Chaoser's penalty connection with his adjective. @Bill Murry. Okay, I can confirm that there are NO more DTs. I don't know if it will help you On August 12 2010 10:42 bumatlarge wrote: Oh, how exactly did LSB go from Ambitious to vanilla? Lets just say after a certain event my abilities were diminished. | ||
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On August 12 2010 10:56 citi.zen wrote: Great. So a mass claim was designed to be detrimental, the DT and medic had pretty big penalties and, if we believe BM, the vigi can only hit people from the bandwagon. WTF is going on here... is there a DT+vigi role or some overpowered crap? Wait... BM has 2 penalties? o.o BTW, we don't have a DT any more. | ||
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On August 12 2010 11:03 citi.zen wrote: Good question about BM! How do you know about DTs? My role had changes when all the DTs in the town were killed | ||
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On August 12 2010 11:01 Hesmyrr wrote: I did put some counter-measures to improve success of town when I changed the setup from 17 player to 13 player, yes, so at the START of the game I believe setup to be not too imbalanced. WIll reveal my thought process post-game. tl;dr -> My setup was designed to make scum analysis solely based on via claims crap (special rule 3). I felt this interruption was necessary because it seemed my initial message wasn't clear enough for anyone. [examples] * LSB is mafia because "obvious" seem too obvious. (meaningless) * LSB is town because his claim seems too risky. (meaningless) A few things to note: Mafia has incentive to make claims, claims make them look good, and it's not like it's bad for them. Mafia knows that mass claiming is detrimental (this is because Hesmyrr probably sent them a second part of a PM giving them fake claims). This means that: Mafia knows they can get away with fake penalties Lastly, Hesmyrr expects there to be some way we utilize our roles without mass claims. | ||
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On August 12 2010 12:05 Scamp wrote: Whoever makes the next list please add that I have a limited number of votes. This is the third time that I've had to say it. Whoops sorry, I thought you were korynne (The hydras threw me off) I added Divinek. Adjective Claims:: Penalty Claim. Ace: Nytophobic Must telegraph moves to the town before acting. Pyrr: Cautious Detective: Can't get results back until later Korynne: Dogmatic: Can't change actions. zeks: Pitiful: If lynched, random person on the wagon gets permanent +1 voting power LSB: citi.zen: Suicidal youngminii: Selfish Scamp: Lazy: Limited amount of votes bumatlarge: Equivocating Treestump: Epic fail treestump. Basically becomes a mafia treestump if used Bill Murray: Wrathful Vigilante: If he dies, a town power role dies. Divinek: Unwary: If a mafia is lynched it negatively impacts on him for the following night Jayme: Goth chaoser: Obvious If he votes majority, he cannot vote the next day. | ||
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On August 12 2010 23:09 Korynne wrote: LSB, you should vote for youngminii unless you have great reason not to, we want to make sure BM isn't lynched so he can have the chance to vigi someone if he is not mafia. The question is who BM will hit. He's already stated he's going to hit me. Although I can see why youngminii can be a threat, a plan for today would be a vote for No Lynch, and have BM kill youngminii | ||
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On August 13 2010 07:45 zeks wrote: ##unvote ##Vote Chaoser The little resistance from the youngminii stacking worries me Youngminii said he couldn't devote that much time in the other game. Youngminii would be modkilled anyways, for not voting. | ||
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On August 13 2010 08:36 Divinek wrote: hi just got back from work before the deadline :D crazy driving yay also he's not going to get mod killed Bill Murray (1) youngminii from the vote totals on page 1, and those are quite up to date. And uh i like my vote where it is based on the few things that have been said. No lynch would be silly. I'd give Youngminii the benefit of the doubt because he said he could not be as active. The 'perfect plan' would be for BM to kill Youngminii tonight, but obviously it won't be happening. | ||
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On August 13 2010 09:10 bumatlarge wrote: Read that. No wait hold your face palm. He died. And the only two people who I think actually understood what he was saying was citizen and LSB. By understand, you mean call out his BS, sure. I don't get why you are suddenly accepting Ace logic. Please explain. It's strange how you suddenly think that Ace was acting in the interest of the town. Is it just me, do did you say that Aces idea was correct? I have a detailed post here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=137823¤tpage=22#439 Before you go a step in the direction of Aces logic, please answer the faults Dead men do tell lies He says he would tell us the name of the person he visits, but he never mentions ANYONE's name after that post. The last person he was arguing with citizen, myself and LSB. He knew he was not getting lynched, I suppose, because he knew who he was protecting was red? The obvious person would be bill I guess, but we three were the last to argue with him. The last person he mentions who is alive by name is LSB. Why didnt he just come out and say he was visiting the person he thought? I dont know, but I can guarantee it was one of the 4 of us. He calls LSB scum at one point though after a long argument on who should be lynched -_- Ace was unoriginal, I called him scum first, and he just stole it from me. I actually take pride in the fact that Ace called me scum. He called two people in the game scum. Me and Pyrr Let's look at the world your proposing. Your proposing that Ace, protecting me, got killed because I was 'scum'. Big problem. Okay, you missed some key points. Who did the Mafia kill? No one has claimed a vigi hit, and the doctor was protecting me. As unbelievable as it seems, I believe the Mafia killed Ace, hoping to send the town into disarray. I need everyone to read the whole thread over, There is alot of stuff I could have missed. Now the interesting part, how do we know it was not me? Well lets find out, assuming those 3 vote me, and i vote one of them, it will be for the rest to decide. If I get the majority, I will treestump before the day is over. The population will then be 7-4. But we will lynch one of these 3, and sorry korynne, bill is the most obvious. The population will then be 7-3, exactly the same as if I was lynched anyway. Dont care about his little vig stories. So go ahead guys, convince them to lynch me. I dare you. I'll be happy to answer any questions. Don't kill yourself, I know your town. | ||
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He died. I dont care about the logic part, I care that he knew his role would get him killed that night if he visited scum.[quote] He also 'knew' his plan would work and help the town. You cannot ignore what is true and what is false [quote] You did this before. Completely ignored his claim and focused on his line of reasoning. He said he confirmed something about his role, and it happened. Im not saying I agree with his logic about penalties. Im saying he was right about something with his plan, since he did indeed die at night. [/quote] I'm sorry, but how else am I suppose to respond. "OMG IZ SO ANGRY!" There are two ways to respond. Calmly and focusing and the argument presented. And Completely ignoring the argument and saying "I don't care about logic". [quote] Well then you need to clarify on people, do you think citizen and BM are mafia? I only choose you because of Ace took his visit to the grave. There could still be a vet, but I guess they would have claimed immediately, unless there role prevents them. Jayme for instance seems a like that with Goth, but not sure why he would get hit. We only have a slice of the penalty pie.[/quote] I was so sure BM was mafia Day one, but after Ace fliped blue, I realized I needed to take time to think things through. As for Citi.zen, I did not notice what you pointed out. I can understand citi.zen's point of view, at times during day 1 I was tempted to switch my vote to Ace. But at the same time, it does pose interesting questions. From what I gathered, Citi.zen has been asking questions and probing everyone. I don't know what that means, maybe I should look at some of his old games | ||
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He 'deduced it' by making critical assumptions. Ace sounded surprised when he died On August 11 2010 09:29 Ace wrote: oh are you fucking serious? :/ | ||
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On August 13 2010 21:59 Korynne wrote: BM you shoud hit tonight, otherwise you are not "confirmed" and will very likely be lynched tomorrow given the amount of people suspecting you. So even if just by self-preservation, pick someone and go. I'm assuming you are not a one-shot vigi and can shoot as many times as you want? If so mafia would most likely want you dead tonight otherwise we have a confirmed vigilante... Also don't stump bum... >_> Agreed. BM you have a lot of suspicion on you, and if two people don't die tonight, you're probably going to be lynched tomorrow. | ||
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Where are we now.: Numbers + Show Spoiler + Now:: 6v3 a) 6v2 if we correct lynch. Day 4 is 5v2 b) 5v3 if we Mislynch, Day 4 Lylo (4v3) Tomorrow! (If we correct lynch): 5v2 a) 5v1 if we correct lynch. Day 5 is 4v1. b) 4v2 if we mislynch. Day 5 Lylo What this means:
Where are we now.: Votes + Show Spoiler + Korynne (3) citi.zen Bill Murray Divinek Bill Murray (2) bumatlarge chaoser Not voted yet (4): Korynne, Scamp, Darththienan, Yours Truely What this means
Things we found out night 2 + Show Spoiler + Bill Murray did not hit anyone. LSB, Bum, and Kor wanted BM to hit someone so he confirms himself. Bill Murray doesn't want to send us into Lylo due to a mishit. Understandable, but at the same time, we still are at a problem, we can't tell if BM is town or not, drawing up more confusion. Zeks Died. Zeks had a role that could either make Lylo come a day earlier or a day late. Zeks was not very active Zeks voted. Day 1: BM. Wanted Penalty posting Day 2: BM, then Abstain, then Chaoser | ||
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Divinek makes a drunk post. Wants to kill Yongminii because he hasn't contributed anything to the town. Mentions one kindof scummy post citi.zen pops up and agrees with Divinek Bill Murray wants to kill someone Scamp randomly appears and kills Youngminii Scamp. Why did you want to kill Youngminii? I think this is very suspicious. BM wants to kill someone instead of nolynch, understandable. Citi.zen, idk, it seems a bit too early to bandwagon, but if the mafia is Citi.zen/BM/Scamp it would be understandable as an easy diversion from BM. It seems like Citi.zen wants to defend BM. Citi.zen has been defending BM a lot, now that I think about it Another group I am very suspicious about. DDivinek/BM/Citi.zen Look back at Day 1. Divinek/BM voted for Pyrr, and Citi.zen switched his vote off BIll Murray, killing Pyrr. Divinek/BM/Citi.zen got Yongminii killed. And now Divinek/BM/Citi.zen is trying to get Koryane killed, say wut? They all have a 0/2 record for voting. I'd be wary about following them | ||
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Day 1 part 1 + Show Spoiler + On August 08 2010 12:07 Bill Murray wrote: ##Vote Ace On August 08 2010 15:16 Bill Murray wrote: unvote vote: scamp On August 08 2010 15:16 Bill Murray wrote: unvote vote: ace On August 08 2010 16:03 Bill Murray wrote: unvote vote scamp unvote vote ace On August 08 2010 19:09 Bill Murray wrote: unvote ##vote: lsb unvote ##vote: ace Well all remember this incident. Bill Murray sends the town into a disarray, no one knows what’s going on. Very un townlike, trying to mess everyone up, breaking up town unity. Casting suspicion on a random player?? Why did he do that? + Show Spoiler + On August 09 2010 12:37 Bill Murray wrote: i'm going to be honest, i was really just hoping to lynch ace, lol unvote On August 09 2010 12:43 Bill Murray wrote: I am in like five games, so I figured a joke like that wouldn't hurt while I caught up on the 2 games I just replaced into. I'm going to analyze the first 15 pages of this now. Or? On August 09 2010 17:11 Bill Murray wrote: it was a ploy to out you and it worked so quit flailing and take it like a man Hmmm something completely changed. Bill flat out lied in order to help support getting Pyrr killed. Day 1 part 2. + Show Spoiler + On August 09 2010 13:28 Bill Murray wrote: I've been a treestump. I hated using it, but when you're near a lynch, it is a good ability. Wouldn't you rather be able to continue talking than have to sit on the sidelines watching? you can still do behavioral analysis and catch scum as a treestump. I'm going to have to agree with Ace here, although I'm assuming he is a town aligned power role at this point. If he doesn't help out we can hold him accountable. I took his arguing with Pyrrhuloxia as Pyrry trying to get a scum driven wagon going on day 1. I wanted to see who would be apt to get rid of our best player (if ace is town, he is our best asset, regardless of his role) I completely disagree with you. I have not taken Pyrrhuloxia as town whatsoever yet this game. I am getting a negative read from him, and if he flips red, I bet you will too. Because I have learned ways to get information flowing which I can analyze and find scum, like Pyrrhuloxia and Scamp, who we as a town probably need to lynch. See how he "isn't worried about me", because he is wanting this wagon to go on Ace. I really wouldn't be surprised if Pyrrhuloxia was the Godfather. You really are a good player, and you know it. I'm jealous. At least we have suspicions of the same person. Why are you thinking like mafia at all? This feels like a scum slip to me. I feel like your play this game fits with your scum meta, especially with the way you jumped on the first opportunity presented to you for a wagon. No, I was just jumping at the opportunity to piss Ace off day 1. Whenever people started talking about "play to win", I realized that I was betraying the town by not scumhunting. I hadn't originally intended to use my ploy for information, but since it DID get a lot of information, I'm going to use it. That's why I'm going to Vote: Pyrrhuloxia Don't try to blame me for your scumminess showing when you were arguing with Ace. It was my fault that the town was in chaos at the time, but a lot of information came from it that is going to be pro-town when we lynch you (because you are going to flip red). I thought I wanted to kill ace... I always want to pressure him first, because he's the best player, but there is no way in hell I'm voting for Ace right now or willing to endorse his lynch. I am pretty sure that you have dug yourself a hole, and when I flip, you will definitely get killed. You are scum trying to go against a plan that puts pressure on you. So you're implying that he caught you on your scum slip? I wouldn't say you've been playing like crap if you're red, you have a wagon going on me, and you almost had a townie with a vendetta lynch a town aligned power role, which would have been some absolute awesomeness for you. The only crappy part about your play is that you were too willing to bandwagon and have little slipups about the amount of information you have. Do you remember when L spent 2 weeks trying to get me lynched? It happens. I'm sorry, but I've dropped it, and am not trying to push it. @Scamp: what players are you referring to? @Ace: What should we do going forward as a town? I'm going to Vote: Pyrrhuloxia Fairly certain he's scum. On August 09 2010 13:51 Bill Murray wrote: Don't act like i'm the only one who is calling you out on your scumminess, pyrry BM bandwagons someone else inorder to draw heat off of himself. BM almost died there On August 09 2010 14:09 Bill Murray wrote: your wanting to wagon is noted, divinek @ace: if i die, a specific power role loses their power, but i don't want to say which He even accuses of wagoning when he is doing it himself On August 10 2010 08:17 Bill Murray wrote: @ Ace: mass roleblock? @ citi.zen: who are your top 3 suspects, and why? Immediately he starts working with citi.zen EPILOUGE On August 13 2010 05:57 Bill Murray wrote: unvote vote: youngminii A lynch is better than a no lynch from a town perspective. Why should we skimp on using our kp? We don't happen to have any roles like trackers/watchers do we? We could use these to confirm me. Oh look! Another Wagon! Bill saves himself! Day two part 1. Bill the vig + Show Spoiler + On August 11 2010 19:39 Bill Murray wrote: ok, you all want a real claim? i'm the vigilante. On August 11 2010 19:43 Bill Murray wrote: i can only vig someone who was on the lynch wagon in the previous day Bill is going to kill someone On August 12 2010 21:10 Bill Murray wrote: who do you all want me to use my vig hit on tonight? On August 12 2010 21:10 Bill Murray wrote: who do you all want me to use my vig hit on tonight? On August 13 2010 13:12 Bill Murray wrote: i'm going to hit citi.zen On August 13 2010 14:06 Bill Murray wrote: Now: 7v3... mafia will probably hit me and we'll be at 6 people. Tonight: a.) 6v3 if i don't waste my vig hit b.) 5v3 if i waste my hit c.) 7v3 if we have a role that can hide in the night which is unlikely and ill die where I can't hide. Tomorrow Night: a.) 1) 5v3 if I don't hit again 2) 4v3 if I mishit 3) 5v2 if I hit (similar to c9 I believe?) b.) 4v3 and we're in lylo which sucks nuts c.) i'm not exploring craziness The next night would be lylo if I mishit tomorrow night, so I can wait a day, or not use it at all tomorrow night either if we get no info. If by some odd chance we have a bodyguard role, please for the love of God protect me tonight. If there is a tracker who can track a mafia to a kill tonight, that would be GREAT. If not, I might not hit tomorrow, as 5v3 is better than 4v3. I don't want to be in lylo. Bill has second thoughts On August 14 2010 08:15 Bill Murray wrote: If I mishit someone we will have lylo a day earlier. Are you dumb? If someone can give me information on who a red is I will use my hit. I do not want us to lose a day early due to incompetance. We have already lost 1 informative town role and our medic, we do not need to lose our vig. Your play right now is screaming red to me, trying to get me lynched, since I'm a confirmable town member who is using his head and that threatens your little mafia. Bill immediately goes from “Let’s kill someone!” To. “WTF you tried to get me to kill someone? youre scum FUFUFUFUFU” On August 14 2010 17:50 Bill Murray wrote: I'm also going to ##vote for Korynne. My reasoning is that she is trying to force an earlier LyLo situation which is scummy and improper play as town. If she is not red, I have no good reads, as I've red the slot as red. Korynne has really been laying under the radar in terms of voting, too, which is suspicious to me. It feels like they don't want their vote analyzed. Korynne is also trying to push a lynch on me which would put the town at 5v3 and then how can i vig her scummy ass when I'm dead? On August 15 2010 04:56 Bill Murray wrote: @Korynne: I disagree with you on this. 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On August 16 2010 08:19 Bill Murray wrote: you can't even spell korynne, how can you make a valid case? you are just defending your scumbuddy with useless speculation the only reason i wanted this night extended is to get information on jayme's slot darth is inheriting Firstly, I haven't defended her yet. I'm just saying I'm not going to trust you guys. On August 16 2010 08:19 Bill Murray wrote: day* you can't even tell the difference between night and day, how can you make a valid case? you are only attacking me with useless speculation the only reason i wanted this day extended is to attack you On August 16 2010 08:29 Divinek wrote: if you want to do a real analysis about any of those people then that'd be great, rather than piecing together circumstantial evidence. you can do that have of the player list and i can do the rest if you want! I really do feel like i need to be taking a look at chaoser, and anything jayme actually said before he died lol. Inactive people coasting by that urgently needed to avoid mod kills. Yeah, I was doing that while you were typing this. Check it out! | ||
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On August 16 2010 09:16 Scamp wrote: I felt that Youngminii was suspicious and at the time I voted I thought I was the difference between a lynch an a no-lynch. The deadlines are not very clear. Had I known that there were actually several more hours left in the day and my vote was not needed then I wouldn't have voted. It stinks that I wasted one of my votes when it didn't make a difference. Why did you feel Youngminii was suspicious? | ||
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On August 16 2010 10:07 citi.zen wrote: Have you ever played with him? He had 6 posts this entire game. That + no better candidate at that time made him a good lynching choice. He certainly did try to help. Normally I post a lot, I'm up all throughout the day, rarely one liners. Then suddenly I go to chicago. I don't post for a while. My habits changed. Is it because I'm mafia? NO. It is because I was busy. Youngminii himself posted that he was busy. And even, as mafia, wouldn't he want to try to play the same as normal? | ||
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On August 16 2010 10:19 citi.zen wrote: LSB: thoughts on whether or not it made sense for BM to claim vigi if he is red? Yeah, all he has to do is say "oh! If I kill someone it goes to Lylo, so I'm not going to kill someone" and he's safe. On August 16 2010 10:25 citi.zen wrote: I never once said I had proof he was red. I said he was not being helpful and there was no better lynch target. kk, so you killed Youngminii cause he wasn't active enough. But that still doesn't answer the question, I don't get why people thought Youngminii was mafia. | ||
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On August 16 2010 10:38 citi.zen wrote: If he's red it's a gamble: if there is a vigi he's dead; if not, it's a very good cover (as Korynne and LSB repeatedly point out). This small chance at a good wifom alibi seems like a bad gamble to me vs. the reality of getting shot at night. It sucks having to stake the game on BM making a "rational decision", but Korynne and the other suspects have in the meantime made me feel better about my choice. I'm with you on that, I see why bluffing vigi is a bad idea. But at the same time, BM has not acted rational at all this game. Day 1, his little mess up the town. That was not rational. It is unforgivable that he then twists his words to say it was a way to attack Pyrr I'm more willing to buy the story that the medic protected BM from the Vigi hit because he was begging for protection | ||
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On August 17 2010 07:04 Korynne wrote: Everyone on BM's wagon should get on chaoser, especially since this whole plan can possibly confirm BM. Then we don't have to potentially waste a lynch on BM if he's innocent. The plan sounds good. ##Vote: Chaoser But why would Korynne be advocating this plan? If Chaoser is townie, and Korynne is townie, isn't it gg? | ||
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On August 17 2010 07:16 DarthThienAn wrote: If chaoser is townie, we're at 5-3 tonight. ...hmm. If both BM and Korynne are townie, mafia hit someone else, we're at 3-3... Wait, really? Exactly. Let's check out Korynne's motives. Townie Motives: She thinks BM is mafia, and so BM won't be able to shoot her. Next day is Lylo, but BM gets killed Mafia Motives: Kor is mafia: She knows she's going to die, so she tries her best to get another townie lynched. The mafia gets one extra kill essentially. Kor/BM working together: If kor/bm are both in the mafia (very unlikely), this would delay the lynching by one day. BM would probably end up lynched though. So there is not much difference | ||
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##Vote: Abstain I'm suspicious why suddenly Divinek/Citi.zen/DarthThienAn accepted this plan. I'd like a bit more thinking time. The main problem is looking at Divinek/Citi.zen/DarthThieAn as the three group mafia. They know that if this plan goes through, it's gg. | ||
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On August 17 2010 12:21 bumatlarge wrote: Ofc BM isnt going to hit someone tonight so he never confirmed this whole game, Id swap out divine for DTA maybe. Divienk and Citi.zen has never seriously accused someone (well out of day 1) in the Citi.zen/BM/Divienk/DTA group. I am not so sure about BM and DTA BM: He gets ganked, and then calls out for lane mates. Citi.zen/Divienk magically show up day 2. His working with them could be more sticking to people that helps him DTA: We don't have enough info on DTA, DTA just joined in, and natrually he could trust the more active veterans of the game. The problem is, the more active members of the game are the mafia. Then again, maybe swap out BM for DTA? Bill Murray On August 17 2010 12:08 Divinek wrote: like i said chaoser/lsb/scamp well i didnt actually say that but words can hurt man I'm touched. On the other hand, chaoser/lsb/scamp didn't push for 3 mislynches... Hmm | ||
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Citi.zen actively went after Ace, Youngminii, Korynne, and Choaser Citi.zen day 1 accused Bill Murray, but afterwards, he became Bill's biggest defender. Otherwise, he doesn't seem to be making any new attacks DarthThienAn On August 16 2010 10:19 DarthThienAn wrote: + Show Spoiler + On August 14 2010 12:38 citi.zen wrote: Look at this vote list: The reds are most likely three of: Korynne, LSB, bumatlarge, chaoser or jayme. Bum has an absurd claim, but let's cross him off for now. Meaning: * Korynne is red. It's not just the vote, it's repeated misstatements (Ace played "normal", Pyrr was "scummy" for saying the penalty claims were bad; BM NEEDS to kill someone to be "confirmed"). * Two of LSB, chaoser or jayme are red. I used to think Scamp could be red as well, but I now doubt it. That's my input, I will keep my vote on Korynne. The weekend is here! When I was reading, I leaned Korynne + bumatlarge as red. LSB/chaoser is sort of suspicious as well. + Show Spoiler + On August 14 2010 13:16 Korynne wrote: Why are we assuming there is a vigi? And who's to say the vigi doesn't have some kind of restriction and can't kill BM? Also if BM was red claiming vigi...and I'm red... then like, what? Obviously BM can't vigi you if he's mafia, so then I'm pushing to make BM take a shot and then like omg BM didn't take a shot let's kill him? When everyone else is like, pfft, don't waste a shot guys. FoS on BM, cuz I can't vote change. >_> I guess secondary FoS on citi.zen. Like, if no one suspected BM, then I would go with the maybe wasting a vigi shot, but considering like a lot of people were suspicious of BM on day one, and then like more people suspicious of BM on day 2 but then me arguing for keeping BM around for the night for the purpose of confirming him, and him not taking the shot, then like, yeah, I'm done giving BM chances. I think Ace was right before. Also, when is there NOT a kp role? No vigilante would mean that we have several detectives or something. And balance wise, it only makes sense to have one doctor (1 mafia kp). Based on that, we either have a vigilante or LSB is lying. + Show Spoiler + On August 15 2010 01:20 Korynne wrote: Why didn't he claim he wasn't hitting someone before the night ended? Like if citi.zen and BM are mafia they can just run on the oh hey let's not waste our vigi hit guys! How are you so sure citi.zen, scamp and divinek are not mafia? Nobody did any substantial analysis, and citi.zen sure didn't bother to do any substantial analysis and just was like oh hey, divinek and scamp look innocent, let's not used the vigi hit tonight. Usually vigi hit is like a double lynch, the only thing is this time it's kinda like, well, it's like a double lynch where your second hit has limited choices. So the reason we would not want to use it is because we are so totally sure that those guys are not mafia, which we're certainly not. Also BM what do you mean I'm lying low on the radar for voting? I can't switch my vote! That's why I FoS'd you. Consider those "votes." So how about this, I'll vote for majority at the end of the day. If BM feels like I'm totally scummy he can vigi my ass. And if BM is mafia as I suspect then my ass will not be vigi'd. And then of course there's the option of both me and BM are town and like, falcepalm. Also like, lots of inactivity going on while me, BM, and citi.zen bicker. With other people inserting like, a line or two in places. This post deflects a little bit o.O. I kind of like the plan though. Where he shoots you, I mean :D. Minus the part where we leave you alive :D. That post DarthThienAn accuses Me/Korynne/bumatlarge/Chaoser. I know that I, Korynne, and Bum are all green. Chaoser is the wildcard in the list, but with 3/4 already wrong, I'm more inclined to believe that Choaser is green | ||
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On August 18 2010 06:49 Bill Murray wrote: I just don't see who could be the godfather with the remaining people left maybe citi.zen, but his play has been different than his play as red to me, which makes me suspect a newer player like LSB or DarthThienAn who is "up and coming" for godfather... well, not DTA, actually, because Jayme isn't that type of player. When I die, don't let me death go unpunished guys Well... there is no godfather. I'll explain tomorrow morning (if I'm still alive). Basically my role revolved on taking out the godfather, however, there was no godfather, so I got a bastard role. | ||
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On August 18 2010 10:16 Bill Murray wrote: if only LSB was on the korynne wagon There was a good reason why I wasn't on the korynne wagon. She didn't seem like scum, the reason why people killed her was for saying things that many people believed. | ||
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On August 18 2010 23:20 citi.zen wrote: Hmmm... I guess then the doctor role was just really weakened - the mafia can choose to hit a non-protected person every time. Since there are no clear ways to confirm people in this set-up (other than the day-vigi), was this nerf necessary? I must be missing some possibilities here... I think the doctor is more for protection. He're what I think Hesmyrr was thinking. Day 1, random person gets killed Day 2, Pyrr goes check someone, finds if they are green or red. Claims DT. Ace's role was to protect Pyrr. If the mafia decided to hit Pyrr, they'd have to waste the next nights role. Either way, that should create at 2 confirmed townies. Confirmed Townie 1: Ace, Hesmyrr's post in the night automatically gets him confirmed When Pyrr dies, whoever he checks will be confirmed, so that would leave 2 Confirmed Townies | ||
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On August 18 2010 23:32 Hesmyrr wrote: I mentioned the hypothetical Ace/chaoser/LSB/bumatlarge group in the above post of mine. That's exactly how it should have worked. Had Ace survived, chaoser claims and reveal his intent to shoot Ace, and Ace subsequently fully claims also (or vice versa). Because both are mod-verifiable, their lynch should be delayed and chaoser would vote for someone in the "unconfirmed" pool while Ace protect him. Because two clear town roles are in open, LSB would also claim and reveal his bumatlarge investigation. Ah! I see. As for Bum, I didn't bother claiming because he was never under much suspicion, and I didn't want him to get nightkilled, since I liked knowing who one of the townies was. I was planning on claiming and explaining everything day 4, but I got killed so that's that. | ||
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United States5171 Posts
On August 18 2010 23:39 Hesmyrr wrote: Anyway thanks to everyone for playing my first modded game in TeamLiquid! It could have been far better - especially disappointed about my inability to produce flavour text in time, wireless internet getting kaputt every night did not help matters either - but it was valuable experience for me. Thanks for hosting! It was a fun concept that everyone got some sort of power, good or bad. | ||
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On August 06 2010 10:59 LSB wrote: Jw, why are people voting on Bill Murray? Did I miss something? | ||
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