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youngminii
Australia7514 Posts
That plan seems great and everything but it forces us into the position of do or die on D3. The original plan would let us potentially find scum and lynch them as we go, and if we don't we'll be on the do or die situation. With your suggestion, there's almost no way of avoiding that scenario. I'd prefer to go with the original plan. | ||
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citi.zen
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L
Canada4732 Posts
By contrast, mafia can also recruit someone who is being roleblocked without the mafia team being locked down, so any information we get is bullshit. I really don't see how TELLING mafia how to psyche us out over by giving them highly exploitable information is going to help us out. | ||
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citi.zen
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rastaban
United States2294 Posts
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L
Canada4732 Posts
On July 03 2010 10:40 citi.zen wrote: The requirement we give up the RB is what I dislike with the modified plan. It could be bad in many cases - we kill a red, block them, etc. I don't buy the "day three or bust" claim. Also, should the rb die or be recruited we learn... nothing at all. Finally, pl,acing three in the "pool" implies we don't lynch them nights one or two - which I would rather not commit to. Sorry for spelling, on phone. Well we sure as hell can't lynch them night 1 as is, and we already committed to not lynching them immediately under the old plan. We aren't giving up the RB at all, either. It just becomes less exploitable. If the RB doesn't pull up a mafia, and chances are it won't, there's no need for the blocker to reveal himself day 3 either. That said, if we don't hit a mafia on or before day 3, run the math. I already did. We're put into a massive hole. | ||
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Divinek
Canada4045 Posts
On July 03 2010 10:45 L wrote: Well we sure as hell can't lynch them night 1 as is, and we already committed to not lynching them immediately under the old plan. We aren't giving up the RB at all, either. It just becomes less exploitable. If the RB doesn't pull up a mafia, and chances are it won't, there's no need for the blocker to reveal himself day 3 either. That said, if we don't hit a mafia on or before day 3, run the math. I already did. We're put into a massive hole. so you're saying that with coroner(s) that we have their best timing would be for one of them to pop on night 2? I'm still confused if it's possible to have multiple of the same role before someone is killed, and if we have two of the same role like a coroner if they both pop it the same night or both roleblockers block the same person or something would one action be wasted? or would they be told to select another person/time or something | ||
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Divinek
Canada4045 Posts
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rastaban
United States2294 Posts
now 17/3 (2 mob + 1 traitor) day 2: 14/4 day 3: 11/5 day 4: 7/6 - if we hang GF this night day 5: 6/5 - we have to be right every night from this point on or lose, I would say though, that we are unlikely to be THAT unlucky so day 4 would be more likely 8/5 which puts us in a bad place but I would say day 4 is most important. Not sure if my day 4 is your day 3, and I am not trying to argue for or against any claims with this just want to put the numbers out there. | ||
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rastaban
United States2294 Posts
Final tally was by my count: citi.zen - 2 (Korynne, BM) Korynne - 1 (Chezinu) YellowInk - 5 (lakrismamma, youngminii, rastaban, Abenson, BrownBear) rastaban - 1 (Hesmyrr) To Roleblocker: If the majority doesn't change, please roleblock YellowInk. | ||
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L
Canada4732 Posts
On July 03 2010 10:53 rastaban wrote: Worse case scenario goes like this now 17/3 (2 mob + 1 traitor) day 2: 14/4 day 3: 11/5 day 4: 7/6 - if we hang GF this night day 5: 6/5 - we have to be right every night from this point on or lose, I would say though, that we are unlikely to be THAT unlucky so day 4 would be more likely 8/5 which puts us in a bad place but I would say day 4 is most important. Not sure if my day 4 is your day 3, and I am not trying to argue for or against any claims with this just want to put the numbers out there. If mafia controls day 3's lynch, what day do we end up at. That's rite. | ||
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L
Canada4732 Posts
On July 03 2010 10:57 rastaban wrote: With so many people unable to vote on Ls new plan I say we go with the old and then modify it for night 2 if needed. Final tally was by my count: citi.zen - 2 (Korynne, BM) Korynne - 1 (Chezinu) YellowInk - 5 (lakrismamma, youngminii, rastaban, Abenson, BrownBear) rastaban - 1 (Hesmyrr) To Roleblocker: If the majority doesn't change, please roleblock YellowInk. Roleblocker acts during the night. We have 24 hours to talk about this. | ||
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youngminii
Australia7514 Posts
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rastaban
United States2294 Posts
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youngminii
Australia7514 Posts
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rastaban
United States2294 Posts
On July 03 2010 10:59 L wrote: Roleblocker acts during the night. We have 24 hours to talk about this. You are right, so I guess I would say if the RB has to leave before it is resolved go with this plan. Otherwise, wait it out until we are sure on what is the best plan. | ||
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L
Canada4732 Posts
On July 03 2010 11:04 youngminii wrote: Mafia doesn't necessarily control day 3's lynch. The plan isn't to put absolute faith in those that are roleblocked, the plan is to check to see if they're scum. If they're not, they're put back in with the rest of us where they may or may not be scum. If they are, it gives us a kill. This is an interesting post. Please elaborate. | ||
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DarthThienAn
United States2734 Posts
On July 03 2010 10:52 Divinek wrote: so you're saying that with coroner(s) that we have their best timing would be for one of them to pop on night 2? I'm still confused if it's possible to have multiple of the same role before someone is killed, and if we have two of the same role like a coroner if they both pop it the same night or both roleblockers block the same person or something would one action be wasted? or would they be told to select another person/time or something Action would be wasted. ElyAs to be lynched. Day 1 is technically over, send me your night actions over the 24 hours. I'll make a pretty post later tonight hopefully, still playing~ | ||
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rastaban
United States2294 Posts
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youngminii
Australia7514 Posts
Unless I'm misunderstanding something, you're suggesting that if we go on with the plan, mafia will control day 3's lynch. The main purpose of the plan is to find people aligned with mafia. The plan is not meant to prove the innocence of anyone. So if we use the plan and we fail to find anyone aligned with mafia, then in the worst case scenario.. On day 3, there will be 11 pro-town and 5 anti-town. 9 to lynch. They wouldn't necessarily 'control' the vote as they would need 4 pro-town to vote with scum. To make things worse for scum, the traitor wouldn't know who's who and the mafia themselves don't know who the GF is. It doesn't seem that hopeless for town. | ||
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