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We can talk during night, wut?
That plan seems great and everything but it forces us into the position of do or die on D3. The original plan would let us potentially find scum and lynch them as we go, and if we don't we'll be on the do or die situation. With your suggestion, there's almost no way of avoiding that scenario.
I'd prefer to go with the original plan.
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The requirement we give up the RB is what I dislike with the modified plan. It could be bad in many cases - we kill a red, block them, etc. I don't buy the "day three or bust" claim. Also, should the rb die or be recruited we learn... nothing at all. Finally, pl,acing three in the "pool" implies we don't lynch them nights one or two - which I would rather not commit to. Sorry for spelling, on phone.
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Because you don't know who was and wasn't scum that night with the current plan either. You know whether or not mafia hit someone. According to the op the KP is one. If mafia give up 2 kp total over 2 nights to get someone framed, they essentially control our day 3 lynch, which puts us into a horrendous situation. Even if we do hit a mafia member with the roleblock assignment, we won't even know we've lynched one of them until coroner pops his ability.
By contrast, mafia can also recruit someone who is being roleblocked without the mafia team being locked down, so any information we get is bullshit.
I really don't see how TELLING mafia how to psyche us out over by giving them highly exploitable information is going to help us out.
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I really don't buy it. Korynne?
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our 3rd day lynch for 2 mafia KP is worth it because we will also get to lynches in between to target the GF, that is something the mafia can't wait for.
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On July 03 2010 10:40 citi.zen wrote: The requirement we give up the RB is what I dislike with the modified plan. It could be bad in many cases - we kill a red, block them, etc. I don't buy the "day three or bust" claim. Also, should the rb die or be recruited we learn... nothing at all. Finally, pl,acing three in the "pool" implies we don't lynch them nights one or two - which I would rather not commit to. Sorry for spelling, on phone.
Well we sure as hell can't lynch them night 1 as is, and we already committed to not lynching them immediately under the old plan.
We aren't giving up the RB at all, either. It just becomes less exploitable.
If the RB doesn't pull up a mafia, and chances are it won't, there's no need for the blocker to reveal himself day 3 either. That said, if we don't hit a mafia on or before day 3, run the math. I already did. We're put into a massive hole.
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On July 03 2010 10:45 L wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2010 10:40 citi.zen wrote: The requirement we give up the RB is what I dislike with the modified plan. It could be bad in many cases - we kill a red, block them, etc. I don't buy the "day three or bust" claim. Also, should the rb die or be recruited we learn... nothing at all. Finally, pl,acing three in the "pool" implies we don't lynch them nights one or two - which I would rather not commit to. Sorry for spelling, on phone. Well we sure as hell can't lynch them night 1 as is, and we already committed to not lynching them immediately under the old plan. We aren't giving up the RB at all, either. It just becomes less exploitable. If the RB doesn't pull up a mafia, and chances are it won't, there's no need for the blocker to reveal himself day 3 either. That said, if we don't hit a mafia on or before day 3, run the math. I already did. We're put into a massive hole.
so you're saying that with coroner(s) that we have their best timing would be for one of them to pop on night 2?
I'm still confused if it's possible to have multiple of the same role before someone is killed, and if we have two of the same role like a coroner if they both pop it the same night or both roleblockers block the same person or something would one action be wasted? or would they be told to select another person/time or something
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oh i should include darth darth darth for my above post just incase
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Worse case scenario goes like this
now 17/3 (2 mob + 1 traitor) day 2: 14/4 day 3: 11/5 day 4: 7/6 - if we hang GF this night day 5: 6/5 - we have to be right every night from this point on or lose,
I would say though, that we are unlikely to be THAT unlucky so day 4 would be more likely 8/5 which puts us in a bad place but I would say day 4 is most important.
Not sure if my day 4 is your day 3, and I am not trying to argue for or against any claims with this just want to put the numbers out there.
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With so many people unable to vote on Ls new plan I say we go with the old and then modify it for night 2 if needed.
Final tally was by my count:
citi.zen - 2 (Korynne, BM) Korynne - 1 (Chezinu) YellowInk - 5 (lakrismamma, youngminii, rastaban, Abenson, BrownBear) rastaban - 1 (Hesmyrr) To Roleblocker: If the majority doesn't change, please roleblock YellowInk.
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On July 03 2010 10:53 rastaban wrote: Worse case scenario goes like this
now 17/3 (2 mob + 1 traitor) day 2: 14/4 day 3: 11/5 day 4: 7/6 - if we hang GF this night day 5: 6/5 - we have to be right every night from this point on or lose,
I would say though, that we are unlikely to be THAT unlucky so day 4 would be more likely 8/5 which puts us in a bad place but I would say day 4 is most important.
Not sure if my day 4 is your day 3, and I am not trying to argue for or against any claims with this just want to put the numbers out there. If mafia controls day 3's lynch, what day do we end up at.
That's rite.
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On July 03 2010 10:57 rastaban wrote: With so many people unable to vote on Ls new plan I say we go with the old and then modify it for night 2 if needed.
Final tally was by my count:
citi.zen - 2 (Korynne, BM) Korynne - 1 (Chezinu) YellowInk - 5 (lakrismamma, youngminii, rastaban, Abenson, BrownBear) rastaban - 1 (Hesmyrr) To Roleblocker: If the majority doesn't change, please roleblock YellowInk.
Roleblocker acts during the night. We have 24 hours to talk about this.
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Well since we're allowed to talk at night, we can delay the roleblock so that people can read over L's plan. Although the roleblocker's plans might get in the way of his business.
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yeah, but we would be at 9/6 at worst and I think 9/5 is more likely.
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Mafia doesn't necessarily control day 3's lynch. The plan isn't to put absolute faith in those that are roleblocked, the plan is to check to see if they're scum. If they're not, they're put back in with the rest of us where they may or may not be scum. If they are, it gives us a kill.
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On July 03 2010 10:59 L wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2010 10:57 rastaban wrote: With so many people unable to vote on Ls new plan I say we go with the old and then modify it for night 2 if needed.
Final tally was by my count:
citi.zen - 2 (Korynne, BM) Korynne - 1 (Chezinu) YellowInk - 5 (lakrismamma, youngminii, rastaban, Abenson, BrownBear) rastaban - 1 (Hesmyrr) To Roleblocker: If the majority doesn't change, please roleblock YellowInk.
Roleblocker acts during the night. We have 24 hours to talk about this.
You are right, so I guess I would say if the RB has to leave before it is resolved go with this plan. Otherwise, wait it out until we are sure on what is the best plan.
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On July 03 2010 11:04 youngminii wrote: Mafia doesn't necessarily control day 3's lynch. The plan isn't to put absolute faith in those that are roleblocked, the plan is to check to see if they're scum. If they're not, they're put back in with the rest of us where they may or may not be scum. If they are, it gives us a kill. This is an interesting post. Please elaborate.
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On July 03 2010 10:52 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2010 10:45 L wrote:On July 03 2010 10:40 citi.zen wrote: The requirement we give up the RB is what I dislike with the modified plan. It could be bad in many cases - we kill a red, block them, etc. I don't buy the "day three or bust" claim. Also, should the rb die or be recruited we learn... nothing at all. Finally, pl,acing three in the "pool" implies we don't lynch them nights one or two - which I would rather not commit to. Sorry for spelling, on phone. Well we sure as hell can't lynch them night 1 as is, and we already committed to not lynching them immediately under the old plan. We aren't giving up the RB at all, either. It just becomes less exploitable. If the RB doesn't pull up a mafia, and chances are it won't, there's no need for the blocker to reveal himself day 3 either. That said, if we don't hit a mafia on or before day 3, run the math. I already did. We're put into a massive hole. so you're saying that with coroner(s) that we have their best timing would be for one of them to pop on night 2? I'm still confused if it's possible to have multiple of the same role before someone is killed, and if we have two of the same role like a coroner if they both pop it the same night or both roleblockers block the same person or something would one action be wasted? or would they be told to select another person/time or something
Action would be wasted. ElyAs to be lynched. Day 1 is technically over, send me your night actions over the 24 hours. I'll make a pretty post later tonight hopefully, still playing~
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Going to watch the Day[9] daily I missed earlier this week, check back in an hour.
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On July 03 2010 11:07 L wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2010 11:04 youngminii wrote: Mafia doesn't necessarily control day 3's lynch. The plan isn't to put absolute faith in those that are roleblocked, the plan is to check to see if they're scum. If they're not, they're put back in with the rest of us where they may or may not be scum. If they are, it gives us a kill. This is an interesting post. Please elaborate. Unless I'm misunderstanding something, you're suggesting that if we go on with the plan, mafia will control day 3's lynch.
The main purpose of the plan is to find people aligned with mafia. The plan is not meant to prove the innocence of anyone.
So if we use the plan and we fail to find anyone aligned with mafia, then in the worst case scenario..
On day 3, there will be 11 pro-town and 5 anti-town.
9 to lynch. They wouldn't necessarily 'control' the vote as they would need 4 pro-town to vote with scum. To make things worse for scum, the traitor wouldn't know who's who and the mafia themselves don't know who the GF is.
It doesn't seem that hopeless for town.
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