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Rawr. I arrive. Been busy. I’ll do this in my usual style, everything chronologically, replying to posts as I read them in order, skipping over things that I think are irrelevant, already answered, or not significant enough to reply to. Sorry if I repeat what other people say.
+ Show Spoiler +Page 1: nothing of significance, except a review of the setup. Day 1 Post – 10/10 flamewheel ^_^ On June 22 2010 11:59 johnnyspazz wrote: I voted for L because I think he will probably make the town lose eventually. Might as well get rid of him now. This post is absolutely retarded. I don’t believe in killing solely based on past games. Furthermore, the blatant aggressiveness and “I attracted too much attention to be mafia” doesn’t hold here, simple because I think 40-60% of the players here would actually go along with that, which means it could be a mafia plot to get rid of L/Caller early. Red flag for johnnyspazz. + Show Spoiler +On June 22 2010 12:35 L wrote:Show nested quote +1. Radfield and Korynne 2. Bill Murray and Chezinu 3. LaXerCannon and bumatlarge 4. Ace and DarthThienAn 5. Durak and YellowInk 6. L and Caller 7. Nikon, Zyrre, and meeple 8. Stormtemplar, johnnyspazz, and BrownBear 9. DCLXVI, MooCow and Divinek On a more serious note, teams 2, 3, 5 and 8 (until BB returns) have a high chance of inactivity or feigning inactivity. Out of these teams if we're going to pick the standard shoot someone on day 1 if they're quiet or are normally quiet route, we should probably shoot 2 or 8. 2. because retard super armor is really hard to break. 8. because spazz obviously mafia for trying to shoot me. That said, inactivity should be less of an issue with teams having 2 players per unit, so we might want to use another barometer to determine who we're going to shoot. We could go after lowest aggregate post quality or something similar. In terms of team balancing, most of the teams are roughly equivalent in terms of skill, with at least 1 decent to good player per team. Because of that I don't think we can make very many mafia team composition judgments just yet. The following are players I'm not 100% sure about, style and skillwise. 3. LaXerCannon, bumatlarge 5. Durak 7. Zyrre 8. Stormtemplar, BrownBear 9. DCLXVI, Divinek The rest I know pretty well from reading prior games and such. Since I've got work tomorrow and won't be able to devote 4 hours to readin' stuff, if anyone can write a short summary of these players (if you've played w/ them before) in terms of skill level + playstyle, that would be tits. Hmmm. If Team 2 is inactive, then I won’t buy it. From what I know of BM, he’s spammy. Him being inactive makes no sense to me. And from what I’ve seen of Chez, he’s hardly inactive, he’s just obscure with his posting (in a brilliant way of course). So if they are inactive, then they’ll have explaining to do. Team 5, I don’t know anything about Durak – is he new? – but YellowInk should not be inactive. Based on last game, he has a lot of time on his hands. So he has no excuse to be inactive. Team 8, with BB gone, I’ll agree to that. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a game where johnnyspazz has contributed all that much, and stormtemplar is new? For your barometer, post length is always key. Once we come down to it, it’ll just be post analysis. No/bad content = lynch. Disclaimer: no offense meant in the following interpretations of these people. LaXerCannon is relatively new, one game under his belt I think? He almost got modkilled day 1 because he didn’t show up, but from then on his activity level was… decent. A 5/10 maybe. I say decent, because the majority of the players in that game hardly posted, lol. bumatlarge was a pretty mafia for a new player (as far as I know). Had some good ideas, but he was pretty passive about them. I don’t expect to see much aggression from him, I think he’s someone who likes be sure about what he’s doing before he does it. In terms of activity, so-so? Similar to LaXer? Can’t say too well since he was also mafia, so his posting would have been affected. Zyrre: a pretty good player, analysis-wise. With a little more activity than last game, he could have been extremely dangerous to the mafia. He’ll probably start off slow, and then pick up the posting a day or two in. BrownBear: he was pretty active in 3 Kingdom’s. Maybe it’s cuz he had the night KP lol. A 7/10 I think. But in the last game, he went away for a couple days unannounced and didn’t really make up for it afterward, I don’t think. Really disappointing there. So in terms of activity I can’t say. He’s an alright player overall though. DCLXVI: uhhh. He was a DT last game, and didn’t post much. Not sure if he would have posted more if he was townie though. Relatively low activity as far as I know, although he had the sense to check bumatlarge last game. Others: dunno, new? On June 22 2010 14:16 Caller wrote: holy crap L is on my team what the hell
it's like someone surgically attached a girl from my university to me.
Not only am I unable to remove a festering parasite without killing myself, but it has decided to monopolize my life in the process. Uhh… do you guys go to the same school? + Show Spoiler +On June 22 2010 14:24 YellowInk wrote: Greetings everyone! At least this one didn't start on the holiday.
So day 1 lynch. We're in the random voting stage I guess. I don't know most of you guys yet - just what the rumor mill churns up. I'm not about to read 20 games to try to get backstory. I have read a couple though just to get my feet wet.
First, just a note about activity. It's probably fair to expect every individual player to have some threshold of posting else the team should be put under scrutiny for inactivity. If we see particular players going inactive, we should not allow it and hold the team accountable. If one player is quiet and the other player just kind of scrapes by, it's an easy way for mafia to try to duck under the radar or otherwise not provide much info for us to get reads on.
And now for some ideas on where to throw our day 1 lynch:
Seems a bad idea to lynch Radfield since he gets killed night 1 or lynched day 2 (since obv mafia). Though I wouldn't autolynch Radfield on day 2 either because I think Radfield makes an excellent medic target. Lets let the mafia play the guessing game with this one as to whether we have a medic and whether that medic will choose to protect this target.
Since Chezinu seems to love the PM game, he may be easier to read when forced to play an entirely in thread game. So I'd be leaning against lynching him.
I could be swayed to lynch LaXer since as a townie he did hurt the town pretty badly by roleclaiming as a bodyguard. Not much of a reason, but it's the best I've got on a clean slate board. If he's town he can't PM anyone anyhow and Bum would be able to help ensure that if they are medic or DT that they use it effectively. I guess this will be ok.
I know Ace always gets the detective role. Unless I missed it somewhere, roles are not necessarily random (please correct this point if it was stated they would be random somewhere). They may have been assigned 'for entertainment value'. Not something I'd put too much stock into, but I know I'd find it amusing if Ace were DT after posting in my (first) game that he hates DT. So I'm inclined to not pick him for day 1 either.
I'd be against lynching L because the one game I read with him in it where he was a godfather calling for people to roleclaim I thought it was super obvious that he was mafia. Not to say that he's always super obvious about being mafia, but I definitely would rather be trying to read someone that I thought couldn't hide it as well than someone random.
We probably shouldn't lynch teams 7. 8, or 9 on day 1 (unless they are inactive) since we can hold them to a higher threshold of activity. With three players on each team, we should expect them to produce more posts. Since these three teams will be forced to produce more posts, it'll be easier to get mafia reads on them.
I'd like to target a team with an inactive player (surely no entire team will be inactive, right?). If we have every player active, then I guess LaXer would be my vote, but I don't think this will happen. We need to ensure that we don't let a mafia team skate by with an inactive player keeping their team's post count down.
So lets start hearing what people have to say! My stance on the Day 1 Lynch – I’m going to stick with “lynch an inactive” for now, but I don’t expect it to come into use. I expect all of the teams to have at least one player who’s posted at least 2-3 times, so I’ll actually be voting (most likely) based on post analysis today. Lol, Radfield lived in his last game to the end – the day 1 curse has been lifted off of him for now, I think. No PMs in this game. Except for Mafia of course. I can’t see the DT/Medic be allowed PMing abilities to anyone. Again, why are we all trying to lynch based on previous games? It’s true that LaXer’s move last game wasn’t the best, but that gives no indication toward his play/role this game. Lynch based on this game, not others. You’re as bad as johnnyspazz to me right now. Another “read” based on past games. I don’t know if the roles were random, but just because Ace is usually detective, doesn’t mean he’s a detective now. Personally, I am going to be looking at activity on a team-basis. No reason to lynch a team if they have 1 players who’s dominating the thread with his posting. But again, I’m hoping that inactivity isn’t even a problem in this game. @Chezinu: to be honest, those posts are the kind of posts that make me want to lynch someone. To me, they say nothing. And since you took advantage of your style last game to hide as a mafia, I’m not going to let you slip by this game. So I expect to see some good posts from you =p. All this talk about inactivity levels is silly. Everyone post, and we won’t have to worry about it. Welcome, Durak =] now, post more. + Show Spoiler +On June 23 2010 01:22 bumatlarge wrote:Im offended by your statement! We should really get this show on the road as to who are candidates for lynching. I dont feel comfortable just resting my vote on someone who Im not even 50/50 on. But we cant just let ourselves get swayed so we should start deciding soon. Im not sure whether having alot of different people under two red roles is good or bad, as they can spread enough while still stacking a bit with not mch consequence, but then again, we can take the direction a team is going and question them. I'd think teammates would be fine disagreing on points and not hinder the town in certain places, but we should be wary of a DT team trying to play off a rolecheck without getting mafia suspicion. If we even have one So this doesn't happen I'd suggest a DT team to gather two rolechecks and publicly post the info on the third day, or as soon as they find red. The medic would protect the proclaimed DT baring a roleblocker for as long as possible. I dont think mafia can chance publicly faking DT with only 2 reds in the game, so trading a DT for 1 red would help alot. I think checking a town would be relatively useless as PMs are banned, so try to check legitimately suspicious teams. Id think this game will be very down to the wire if there are no blues and a half decent mafia squad. Otherwise we have have a really good chance with proper analysis. Hmm.. I’m not sure what he just said, but yes, DTs go for actually suspicious people. No town circles in this game. + Show Spoiler +On June 23 2010 02:06 YellowInk wrote: If you get a read on one player as mafia and their teammate as town, do you accuse them? Would you hang them for it? My answer to this question would be 'yes'. Remember that if we all appear to be town, the mafia wins most games, so the generic strategy for mafia is to appear to be town - preferably without helping them too much. If you get a read on someone as mafia you need to put it to good use.
Now extrapolate to a semi or even fully active team member and an inactive teammate. We have an inactive 'read' on one player and a whatever (lets assume town for sake of argument) read on the active player. Is this someone to consider hanging? I again say 'yes'. Of course we go after the red as a priority, so like in any other game, targeting an inactive is something you do when you don't feel sufficiently confident about a read on anyone else.
Now if the one person is posting so much that the activity basically makes up for the other player being inactive, I'd give them consideration for a pass on this. The point is that we need every player to be active so that we have as many different reads on as many different teams as possible allowing us to root out the red. Allowing one player to be inactive (or even just semi-inactive / laying low) could allow their potentially skilled mafia teammate to be more elaborate in their lies or deception without worry of cross team tripups. This is why I think a hard stance against inactivity is appropriate even here in this team game. I’ll agree to this. Priority for lynch list: team read red, one read red, inactive. Any red reads on one player >> green reads on their teammate unless for some reason we know it’s POSITIVE that they are green. This is a priority list, ofc. On June 23 2010 02:13 Bill Murray wrote:since i view you as red, we should lynch your entire team? if I feel like you are posting like you did when you were a yellow turban, i shouldn't sit idly while you try to ruin my game? such wise words from someone who is likely to be scum. perhaps you are doing the exact thing you're saying scum will do: Show nested quote +so the generic strategy for mafia is to appear to be town - preferably without helping them too much. ? I am going to assume we are out of the RVS, and use this hypocrisy as the basis for my voting you. You are doing exactly what you'd advocate red to do - appearing town without helping all that much. Instead of discussing what someone would do... why are you even thinking of that, by the way?... you should be scumhunting but are not. Even L's obvious OMGUS is a lot less suspicious to me than this. BM, what? Why are you referring to Yellow Turbans? YellowInk wasn’t in that game. I don’t even understand your post o.O. On June 23 2010 02:20 Divinek wrote: well hopefully if im to up my activity ill spam so much ill confuse myself
nothing like colour coding dah posts too
omg the spoilers Divinek (and all newbies), this is an example of a useless post. Don’t do it.On June 23 2010 02:21 Korynne wrote: BM and Chez... you can PM each other. >.> So like, stop spamming up the thread... *goes to look up the morse code stuff* Lol. It’s morse code? Meh, still not going to bother translating it. On June 23 2010 02:26 Divinek wrote: Also i tend to really agree with bm's line of reasoning here.
'hey guys this is what we should do to catch dem red fellars.. right?' seems quite suspicious enough to cast my random vote Hmm. His reasoning that YellowInk is red based on his attempt to seem green doesn’t fly with me. Personally, I think that BM’s just trying to get a reaction. On June 23 2010 02:28 bumatlarge wrote: God damn phone. The anal spamming doesnt help us :/ Another example of a useless post. On June 23 2010 03:14 Bill Murray wrote: Newer players, notice how YellowInk has no logical argument towards me so he has to use colors with his posts to back up his weakness? Did YellowInk accuse you at some point? Did I miss that? O_O. @DT strategy: I think a good time for the DT to come out is Day 3 (Day 2 if mafia found first night). 2 solid town reads = plenty, and it keeps the mafia in the dark for a little longer regarding blue roles. + Show Spoiler +On June 23 2010 03:20 Bill Murray wrote: Your play in this and xxvii or whichever one it was in have been differing. I do not take it as being evolution of your meta-game either. The way I am taking it is that you have a power role. Being fairly unfamiliar with your play, I am going to take my vote off of you for now, as you did seem to take the spotlight in the other game you were in (I had you confused with another player, Trezeguet23). I do note some differences in your play, though, as in the other game you seem to be a lot more joking while taking the spotlight.
On June 23 2010 03:24 Bill Murray wrote: Wow. Lynch this guy. First, the mafia won't know shit if they have a roleblocker They can have a roleblocker while we have 7 townies, they don't know anything WE can also not be sure to have a detective at all I was about to take my vote off of you, but the way you are acting, it is staying there for the rest of the game.
Also, advising DT not to go to lategame is ill informed in my opinion as well. Every DT messup i've ever really seen has occurred by the DT revealing too early
I also dislike the negative near-omgus you are directing towards bumatlarge. While his play may be scummy scummy play doesn't always = scum. I am not saying carry him into a lynch or lose scenario, but that he is not acting nearly as scummy as other people, namely you.
Durr.. what o_o. Hey, what’s an omgus? You’ve referred to it twice now.. I didn’t really read YellowInk’s thoughts on DT strategy, because it was a in a fairly dense paragraph and my brain got tired =]. So I just decided to put up my own thoughts. I agree with a later DT reveal, like I said before, though. On June 23 2010 03:24 Korynne wrote: BM, how is talking in morse code helpful in the thread? Anyone can put it into a morse code translator.
If you wish to speak in code in hopes that somehow magically other townies but not mafia will be able to decipher it, be my guest. But I find the whole addition of morse code or binary or any other simple translatable using google form of cryptic communication useless and disruptive to people when they want to analyze the thread. How to decipher? Decipher for me please. On June 23 2010 03:25 Bill Murray wrote:+ Show Spoiler +[Setup 2] -
1 Mafia Goon 1 Mafia Roleblocker 7 Townies Why’d you just quote that? On June 23 2010 03:26 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 03:24 Korynne wrote: BM, how is talking in morse code helpful in the thread? Anyone can put it into a morse code translator.
If you wish to speak in code in hopes that somehow magically other townies but not mafia will be able to decipher it, be my guest. But I find the whole addition of morse code or binary or any other simple translatable using google form of cryptic communication useless and disruptive to people when they want to analyze the thread. you mean to say that it is unfair to you because you and your scumbuddy team #5 are the only ones who are capable of using IRC to coordinate with other teams? lol… someone needs to chill out? And stop wasting my time with his spammy posts? On June 23 2010 03:28 YellowInk wrote: Wow this forum is annoying to use when the post speed goes up. Why don't we get a warning or something that more people have posted since you started typing? More posting to follow. Learn to F5 and use tabs, n00b. On June 23 2010 03:53 Korynne wrote:OMGUS Ah, Korynne, you’re an angel, you are. On June 23 2010 03:59 Chezinu wrote: The OTHER HALF DISAGREES!!! DT should role check a mafia tonight and yell and scream mafia all night long so that in the morning we can lynch the mafia. Then when day comes you should yell and scream and taunt mafia not to kill you out of spite. Then rolecheck the next mafia while pming the vigi to kill the last mafia. then lol all night long and say gg and exclaim that the person you rolechecked is mafia all the while quoting random quotes in the thread produced by mafia saying that is what gave them away and calling yourself a mad detective. But then again, achieving near impossible odds although is fun and rewarding could be too risky for the cowardly. So as bumatlarge pointed out, if you are mafia or DT YOU MUST NOT FEAR DEATH! That is the way of the townie and the way to disguise as a townie... not that I'm doing that right now... hehe Chez, there’s no vigi =[. But yes, a DT with a red read should yell and scream all they want come morning. Radfield, there’s also a 50% chance that the DT kills any roleblocker (if there is one) ^_^. If he dies the next night, we know which set up we’re in, and then it’s… 4 town vs 1 mafia (teams)? Decent odds there, though not a for sure win. Durak, don’t edit your posts. On June 23 2010 05:38 Korynne wrote:Wow Chez, that is possibly the worst analysis I have ever seen... I'll post my comments in green so it's easier to see. + Show Spoiler +On June 23 2010 05:24 Chezinu wrote:I guess I should post what I know: Radynee/Koryfield anaylsis: Awww, I like the name change, it's cute. xP Shouldn't it be Radynne and Korfield or something though? xD+ Show Spoiler +On June 22 2010 07:09 Radfield wrote: Get your game on mafia. Inactivity will not be tolerated. Giggidy Giggidy. On June 22 2010 07:28 Korynne wrote: Yay so excited. <3
So yeah, time to get stuff rolling. First day's lynch is pretty randoms, so I will vote for inactives. Gogogo!
In terms of strategy, I don't think there's much for us to do other than just talk a lot. xD DT should probably let town know once they find 2 townies or 1 mafia. Medic should not claim anytime soon. Giggdy and excited about their roles... Well I don't know why Radfield is excited, but I created this game so I'm personally very excited to see how it goes.On June 22 2010 08:38 Korynne wrote: Yeah, the whole point is that mafia can narrow it down to 2 setups, and blue roles can narrow it down to 2 setups. On June 22 2010 09:26 Korynne wrote: I picked the classic f11 setup because I figured it would be hard to get twice as many people than we usually do.. On June 22 2010 10:50 Korynne wrote: Did you want to play Incog? Maybe ask flamewheel if he'll stick you into a random team. xP or is Kory excited about the f11 setup? I prefer smaller games in general, it makes it easier for me to get a read on everyone. This is like, a big small game because there's 9 teams but like 20 people... so like, I'm excited, basically. xP On June 22 2010 22:32 Korynne wrote: It appears that Chezinu has voted for me and Radfield, without the requisite "aka abstaining for now.. because no one else would dare vote for him, right?"
We note that he is mafia that game he voted for Radfield, however this time he just said a bunch of di-dah-di-dits instead of the previous statement.
For the sake of generating some content on day 1, care to clarify this Chezinu? xD Kory underestimates how random my behavior can be though some aspects remain the same... I don't believe I understand you very well yet Chezinu, that I agree with. xDOn June 23 2010 00:34 Korynne wrote: Hmmm... I am trying to decide if Chill would be offended by that statement...
He's really more like Light than L most of the time. Did you decide yet? No, I don't think I know Chill or L enough to make a statement. I will consult more veteran members of the community to find an answer.On June 23 2010 02:21 Korynne wrote: BM and Chez... you can PM each other. >.> So like, stop spamming up the thread... *goes to look up the morse code stuff* What is the fun in that? I don't suppose this is something I can argue against... though it does make quite a few of us feel less fun because we have to click spoilers and find morse code translators on google.On June 23 2010 02:35 Korynne wrote:YellowInk, I believe BM is referring to a game Caller ran, called the Three Kingdoms Mafia where there was Yellow Turban as a 4th party. I believe he must be mistaking you for someone else because your name is not on the player list. How many games have you researched in the past? That way I can consider killing you or not if I'm mafia. If you know too much... I have read very little of games prior to my existence on the mafia forum. But pretty much followed every game since (though I don't follow the games I don't play in as much). I've also read/watched RoTK so I know what Yellow Turbans are... On June 23 2010 03:48 Korynne wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 03:26 Bill Murray wrote:On June 23 2010 03:24 Korynne wrote: BM, how is talking in morse code helpful in the thread? Anyone can put it into a morse code translator.
If you wish to speak in code in hopes that somehow magically other townies but not mafia will be able to decipher it, be my guest. But I find the whole addition of morse code or binary or any other simple translatable using google form of cryptic communication useless and disruptive to people when they want to analyze the thread. you mean to say that it is unfair to you because you and your scumbuddy team #5 are the only ones who are capable of using IRC to coordinate with other teams? Uh, how does this post make any sense? a) If I was mafia, like YellowInk pointed out, I would have twice as many people on my team, making analysis much faster. b) If you're trying to say that as mafia I am crying unfair because mafia is supposed to be the only ones able to communicate to other teams then first of all, you still can't use IRC to coordinate with other teams, and second of all, I don't see how talking in code allows you to coordinate with other teams. Even if you set up an elaborate system with someone ahead of time, how are you sure they are not mafia? Like, it's good that you're putting pressure on YellowInk (I haven't decided if he's scummy yet, he doesn't quite have the green glow from the game he was pardoner but I don't know if that's because he's blue, red, or just being less aggressive because he doesn't have clues) but making stupid accusations is like...wut? (read: being Bill Murray?) Interesting, posts have to make sense... I guess that's not a very good assumption I made there...On June 23 2010 03:53 Korynne wrote:OMGUS Why didn't you vote for me then? That was in response to YellowInk asking what OMGUS meant.On June 23 2010 04:24 Radfield wrote:Oh Chez.... Anyways, I agree, despite our lack of a vig, that the dt should claim once he pegs a mafia. There's no millers, so it's a for sure thing. Trading our DT for half of the mafia is a good trade, assuming we are decent players and can do some decent post analysis. The downside of this, is that once the mafia find out there is a DT, they will KNOW if there is a medic or not, and if there IS a medic, they will have a roleblocker, and roleblock the dt for the rest of the game(setup 1). So a dt claiming is either certain death, or certain roleblocking, unless we get lucky and it's the roleblocker who gets lynched(50-50 shot). So a dt who claims has a 50% chance of dying the next night(setup 3) and a 25% chance of getting roleblocked for the rest of the game (setup 1, with roleblocker alive) and a 25% chance of having medic protection for the rest of the game (setup 1, with roleblocker dead) Again, I think it's worth it for the dt to claim once he finds a red(or 2 greens as korynne stated) As for PMing your partners, I have assumed that this is allowed. We need a mod ruling on this ASAP however. I assumed this because Korynne designed the set-up, and I assumed she knew the rules For me the whole fun of this setup is that you get to make decisions as a team, and get to bounce your ideas off of each other about who you think is scummy, or who you think might be blue, etc. This guy actually reads my posts. He is cool. Radfield's pretty cool, that's why I asked him to join my team. =DOn June 23 2010 04:29 Korynne wrote: Gee Radfield, read the rules, it makes me look bad if you keep making mistakes like that. D= However, he didn't read the rules.. I do not speak for Sir Radfield, but it disappoints me to see that he has not read the rules, and I have expressed this in a previous post.Conclusion: Either Mafia or DT Wait...what? How does that end up as mafia or DT? Would someone smarter than me enlighten me on how this makes us mafia or dt? >_> Hmmm. I think it’s because you guys were excited about your roles (though, I don’t give much credit to this) and show some competence. I don’t see how else Chez got that conclusion. On June 23 2010 05:39 YellowInk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 05:27 Chezinu wrote:On June 23 2010 05:26 Ace wrote:On June 23 2010 05:24 Chezinu wrote:I guess I should post what I know: Radynee/Koryfield anaylsis: + Show Spoiler +On June 22 2010 07:09 Radfield wrote: Get your game on mafia. Inactivity will not be tolerated. Giggidy Giggidy. On June 22 2010 07:28 Korynne wrote: Yay so excited. <3
So yeah, time to get stuff rolling. First day's lynch is pretty randoms, so I will vote for inactives. Gogogo!
In terms of strategy, I don't think there's much for us to do other than just talk a lot. xD DT should probably let town know once they find 2 townies or 1 mafia. Medic should not claim anytime soon. Giggdy and excited about their roles... On June 22 2010 08:38 Korynne wrote: Yeah, the whole point is that mafia can narrow it down to 2 setups, and blue roles can narrow it down to 2 setups. On June 22 2010 09:26 Korynne wrote: I picked the classic f11 setup because I figured it would be hard to get twice as many people than we usually do.. On June 22 2010 10:50 Korynne wrote: Did you want to play Incog? Maybe ask flamewheel if he'll stick you into a random team. xP or is Kory excited about the f11 setup? On June 22 2010 22:32 Korynne wrote: It appears that Chezinu has voted for me and Radfield, without the requisite "aka abstaining for now.. because no one else would dare vote for him, right?"
We note that he is mafia that game he voted for Radfield, however this time he just said a bunch of di-dah-di-dits instead of the previous statement.
For the sake of generating some content on day 1, care to clarify this Chezinu? xD Kory underestimates how random my behavior can be though some aspects remain the same... On June 23 2010 00:34 Korynne wrote: Hmmm... I am trying to decide if Chill would be offended by that statement...
He's really more like Light than L most of the time. Did you decide yet? On June 23 2010 02:21 Korynne wrote: BM and Chez... you can PM each other. >.> So like, stop spamming up the thread... *goes to look up the morse code stuff* What is the fun in that? On June 23 2010 02:35 Korynne wrote:YellowInk, I believe BM is referring to a game Caller ran, called the Three Kingdoms Mafia where there was Yellow Turban as a 4th party. I believe he must be mistaking you for someone else because your name is not on the player list. How many games have you researched in the past? That way I can consider killing you or not if I'm mafia. If you know too much... On June 23 2010 03:48 Korynne wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 03:26 Bill Murray wrote:On June 23 2010 03:24 Korynne wrote: BM, how is talking in morse code helpful in the thread? Anyone can put it into a morse code translator.
If you wish to speak in code in hopes that somehow magically other townies but not mafia will be able to decipher it, be my guest. But I find the whole addition of morse code or binary or any other simple translatable using google form of cryptic communication useless and disruptive to people when they want to analyze the thread. you mean to say that it is unfair to you because you and your scumbuddy team #5 are the only ones who are capable of using IRC to coordinate with other teams? Uh, how does this post make any sense? a) If I was mafia, like YellowInk pointed out, I would have twice as many people on my team, making analysis much faster. b) If you're trying to say that as mafia I am crying unfair because mafia is supposed to be the only ones able to communicate to other teams then first of all, you still can't use IRC to coordinate with other teams, and second of all, I don't see how talking in code allows you to coordinate with other teams. Even if you set up an elaborate system with someone ahead of time, how are you sure they are not mafia? Like, it's good that you're putting pressure on YellowInk (I haven't decided if he's scummy yet, he doesn't quite have the green glow from the game he was pardoner but I don't know if that's because he's blue, red, or just being less aggressive because he doesn't have clues) but making stupid accusations is like...wut? (read: being Bill Murray?) Interesting, posts have to make sense... On June 23 2010 03:53 Korynne wrote:OMGUS Why didn't you vote for me then? On June 23 2010 04:24 Radfield wrote:Oh Chez.... Anyways, I agree, despite our lack of a vig, that the dt should claim once he pegs a mafia. There's no millers, so it's a for sure thing. Trading our DT for half of the mafia is a good trade, assuming we are decent players and can do some decent post analysis. The downside of this, is that once the mafia find out there is a DT, they will KNOW if there is a medic or not, and if there IS a medic, they will have a roleblocker, and roleblock the dt for the rest of the game(setup 1). So a dt claiming is either certain death, or certain roleblocking, unless we get lucky and it's the roleblocker who gets lynched(50-50 shot). So a dt who claims has a 50% chance of dying the next night(setup 3) and a 25% chance of getting roleblocked for the rest of the game (setup 1, with roleblocker alive) and a 25% chance of having medic protection for the rest of the game (setup 1, with roleblocker dead) Again, I think it's worth it for the dt to claim once he finds a red(or 2 greens as korynne stated) As for PMing your partners, I have assumed that this is allowed. We need a mod ruling on this ASAP however. I assumed this because Korynne designed the set-up, and I assumed she knew the rules For me the whole fun of this setup is that you get to make decisions as a team, and get to bounce your ideas off of each other about who you think is scummy, or who you think might be blue, etc. This guy actually reads my posts. He is cool. On June 23 2010 04:29 Korynne wrote: Gee Radfield, read the rules, it makes me look bad if you keep making mistakes like that. D= However, he didn't read the rules.. Conclusion: Either Mafia or DT How so. Please give us an actual logical breakdown of how you arrived at this conclusion. Every game you and your ally post nonsense and get away with it because everyone thinks you are useless, ignoring the fact you may be scum. and the fact that I could be a blue role Are you saying posting nonsense is an effective way to play a blue role? How about green? If so, I am sorely disappointed. I don't think it makes you scum - I know you've been in enough games to have your own opinions about such. However it does may make you a useless town aligned role if you're NOT scum. Fortunately BM is posting a great deal of content. Unfortunately it is mostly wharrgarbl as well. If you're blue and playing this way, well that really sucks. At any rate, I'm still undecided on the BM/Chez team. They do make me laugh, but that's probably because it's the first game I've played with them. On June 23 2010 05:39 YellowInk wrote: Are you saying posting nonsense is an effective way to play a blue role? How about green?
If so, I am sorely disappointed. I don't think it makes you scum - I know you've been in enough games to have your own opinions about such. However it does may make you a useless town aligned role if you're NOT scum. Fortunately BM is posting a great deal of content. Unfortunately it is mostly wharrgarbl as well. If you're blue and playing this way, well that really sucks.
At any rate, I'm still undecided on the BM/Chez team. They do make me laugh, but that's probably because it's the first game I've played with them. Huh? BM posted content? All I remember is him fishing a little bit about you. On June 23 2010 05:43 LaXerCannon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 05:22 Ace wrote:On June 23 2010 04:56 Korynne wrote: So there seems to be a bandwagon starting on YellowInk. I don't like it very much... Mainly because I believe that YellowInk is relatively easy to read, so I don't think we'll have a lot of trouble dealing with him in the later days as we would some other people *cough*L*cough*Chezinu*cough*. So I would definitely favour lynching a group of inactives or someone hard to read over lynching YellowInk.
Those are my two cents on the matter. I don't even mind seeing bandwagons this early since if YellowInk gets lynched and flips town the DT know exactly where to look. However I do have a problem with bandwagons formed off of stupid logic. Looking at Bill's arguments against YI they are pretty terrible. Saying that since we are out of the RVS (blatantly false), him voting for bumatlarge makes no sense. Doesn't help that him and Chezinu are typing in morse code in the thread when there isn't anything to breadcrumb on Day 1 of this setup. To kick things off I'm voting for them. I want everyone's opinion on this: - Are we voting on the most useless people? Imo we should because inactivity should not be a problem. With the 2 worst players on the same team I view it as getting rid of distractions early. I believe we shouldn't vote off useless people unless it's to the point that it hinders the town's progress. That being said, they're next to go if we can't get any good behavioral analysis. To the possible Medic/DT: My advice is to stay unpredictable. Don't do too much analysis to the point where you're a threat and don't lay too low that you get killed. For the possible DT: I think checking the teams of three would be a good start as one of them flipping red would mean the rest of the team flipping red (unless I've misinterpreted the rules) Eh? Aside from the first, obvious piece of advice, what is your logic on that? If anything, check a team of two, as three people should be easier to read than two (generally). On June 23 2010 06:14 MooCow wrote: I haven't had a chance to analyse any of the posters so far but I see that YI thinks bumatlarge is mafia and BM is accusing YI of being mafia.
I agree with others that BM/Chez posts a lot of random and a weak argument for lynching YI but the band wagon seems to be either lynch YI or BM.
If either or flips green we check the other party if they turn red we can trust that they are pro town.
@Jspazz can you post what you translated that made you believe that BM/chez is blue? You are too pro at stating/summarizing the obvious. On June 23 2010 06:20 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 06:18 YellowInk wrote: So I was trying to put together a list of how many posts people made and I'm having trouble with the search function. For instance I do a search on LaXerCannon and it shows the last post he made in this thread as #38. I don't remember having a problem with this before. Anyone have any ideas?
At any rate, I want to start fingering people who havn't been talking. I agree with this action. You are seeming more and more town to me. BM never told me that he thought you were mafia, btw. I think he was just accusing to get reactions, unless I'm wrong. BM please PM me, thanks. Yea, I think BM was just fishing… I hope he was, cuz if he wasn’t then he’s either really bad, really unnecessary, or really red. On June 23 2010 06:38 johnnyspazz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 01:25 Bill Murray wrote:chez: + Show Spoiler +-.-. .... . --.. .. -. ..- --..-- / .-- .... --- / .- .-. . / .-- . / --. --- .. -. --. / - --- / .--. .-. --- - . -.-. - ..--.. Chezinu, who are we going to protect? Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 01:39 Chezinu wrote:Bill: + Show Spoiler +.. / .... . .- .-. -.. / - .... .- - / - .... . / .--. . .-. ... --- -. / .-- .... --- / .--. --- ... - . -.. / .- ..-. - . .-. / -- -.-- / .-.. .- ... - / .--. --- ... - / .-- .- ... / -- .- ..-. .. .- .-.-.- / .. / - .... .. -. -.- / .. .----. -- / --. --- .. -. --. / - --- / .--. .-. --- - . -.-. - / .- / - --- .-- -. .. . .-.-.- / .. / .- .-.. ... --- / -... . .-.. .. . ...- . / - .... .- - / .-- . / -- .- -.-- / .... .- ...- . / .- / -.. - .-.-.- I heard that the person who posted after my last post was mafia. i think i'm going to protect a townie. i also believe that we may have a dt. Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 01:49 Bill Murray wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Di-dit, Di-dah-dah Dah-dah-dah Di-di-dah Di-dah-di-dit Dah-di-dit, Di-di-dit Di-dah Dah-di-dah-dah, Di-dah-dah-dit Di-dah-dit Dah-dah-dah Dah Dit Dah-di-dah-dit Dah, Di-dah Dah-di-dah-dit Dit, Di-dah-di-dah-di-dah Di-dah-di-dah-di-dah Di-dah-di-dah-di-dah Di-dah-di-dah-di-dah , Dah-di-dah Dah-dah-dah Di-dah-dit Dah-di-dah-dah Dah-dit Dah-dit Dit, Di-dit Di-di-dit, Di-dah-di-dit Di-dit Dah-di-dah Dit Di-dah-di-dit Dah-di-dah-dah, Di-di-dit Dah-di-dah-dit Di-di-dah Dah-dah, Dah-dah Di-dah Di-dah-dah-dah Dah-dah-dah Di-dah-dit, Di-di-dah-dit Di-dah-di-dah-di-dah Dah-dah-dah Di-dah-di-dah-di-dah Di-di-dit Di-dah-di-dah-di-dah I , would , say , protect , ace , .... , korynne , is , likely , scum , major , f.o.s. Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 01:57 Bill Murray wrote:+ Show Spoiler +--. . - / --- -. / .. .-.-.- .-. .-.-.- -.-. .-.-.- / ... --- / .-- . / -.-. .- -. / -.. .. ... -.-. ..- ... ... / .-- .... --- / .-- . / ... .... --- ..- .-.. -.. / .--. .-. --- - . -.-. - Get on i.r.c. so we can discuss who we should protect oh man i feel like a detective! Thanks for that. Unfortunately, I’m not sure what to make of it since it’d be retarded to post that in thread. On June 23 2010 06:57 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 06:49 YellowInk wrote:On June 23 2010 06:43 Divinek wrote: hm well the chez/bill team seems to be the most active team overall so far so maybe that's an indication of a role outside dah greeeeeeeeeen, especially all of the emotionally fueled responses and random picking aparts of other people. Unless that's some weird townee level which would be stupid Define active? You think this posting in code in thread is helpful to the town? They could just be PMing to each other. Clearly they intend for it to be read, they're just making it difficult for every town team to pick it apart. It muddies the waters. I'm not saying it makes them scum, but I surely don't count this sort of posting as making them active. BM coming after me, Chez's question for me, Chez posting resulting opinion of me, etc - this is substance. The codes are trash. So I agree with you that they're being active, you should be careful to observe for the correct reasons. Use similar reasoning when you look at others - find posts that have merit and only consider them. well im just saying it makes it far less likely they're townees, they could be blue or red, but why would townees be so self destructive as to make wild baseless allegations and hinder the team by causing too much confusion. Obvisouly attacking someone can draw out reactions but yeah, it just leans me more to thinking they're not green and being mindful for that That’s just their style. To post crazy/random anyway.
Nice to know I didn’t miss much. -____-.
Summary of my ideas on the plans:
+ Show Spoiler + Regarding inactivity: Based on the activity levels so far, it seems like lynching an inactive might actually be a viable option. I was hoping that no one would be inactive, but as of now, Teams 7 and 8 seem to be, for the most part, missing. BrownBear is of course excused, but meeple should still be here until tomorrow, and both Nikon and stormtemplar are MIA. Zyrre and johnnyspazz with only a couple posts so far? L and Caller seem to be MIA as well? L had that one post and then went to work or whatever but I don’t remember Caller posting?
I really don’t want to lynch based on inactivity (in that I don’t want it to be a problem), but if it comes down to it, these teams are the candidates, as far as I can tell.
Like I said before though, reads > inactivity for lynch targets. If we can get a red read on anyone with sound logic, I’d be open to that.
Other Lynch Candidates: I’d like to remind everyone of one of the first posts I looked at – johnnyspazz’s accusation of L. Completely uncalled for, and a very aggressive move, with potential of drawing even some “veterans” into the bait. Keep an eye on him.
Another target is Bill Murray/Chezinu because of their generally poor/confusing style of play, but I’d lean toward no, and look for more before lynching them (they have a few good posts every so often. I think Chezinu’s a good poster when he’s not messing around).
Thoughts on YellowInk: I don’t really understand the pressure BM was putting on him. I do disagree with an early DT claim and all that, but it didn’t scream mafia to me. Maybe I wasn’t looking closely enough, but so far, he’s only as suspicious as BM/Chez.
bumatlarge – has had some pretty poor suggestions I think. Another person to watch out for.
Blue Strategy First off, I’d like to remind everyone that we can’t be sure of whether we have a DT, a medic, or both. So post analysis is even more important this game.
BUT! If we do have them. Regarding activity: I’d favor not making yourself look too pro-town, or look like too good of a townie. Mafia want to eliminate either possible blues or people who contribute to the thread. If you look like the town’s leader, you’re in danger of being hit. Laying low might make you look scummy and may be a traditional blue move, but it’s easier to blend in, especially considering the posting levels so far. It’s harder to hit a blue out of a crowd of 3 or 4 than a crowd of 2 or 3.
Detective: Night 1, check someone suspicious who you think is mafia. Don’t aim to confirm greens. If you catch a mafia, I still say claim Day 2 and out that person. If it’s setup 1, you’ll probably be protected and roleblocked/hit the next night. Setup 3, you’ll probably die that night, but it leaves the rest of us in a 4v1 assuming mislynch day 1 at the beginning of day 3, or else insta-victory.
Medic: Like I said, mafia want to kill the best posters in the town. So protect them. Duh xD. If you think someone might be the Detective, you can protect them as well. Uhh… I don’t think there’s ever a time you should claim, unless you protect someone that gets hit. And even then, you might consider laying low.
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On June 23 2010 10:13 L wrote: Now, looking at team 5, if they're mafia, Ace or Korynne's team is probably mafia too. Why? Team strength + argument patterns.
Hey L, what do you mean by team strength?
But I'll agree that, so far, I lean more toward YI than BM, simply because at the time, I didn't think BM's arguments for calling YI mafia so strongly had a strong enough basis. I'll take a look at their argument again if he says it's actually what he was thinking, but honestly, I just saw it as fishing. The fact that he's persisting means nothing to me because he's BM.
Also, let's throw team 7 into consideration as well. They don't have the suspiciousness that johnnyspazz offered, but their inactivity is inexcusable as well.
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On June 23 2010 10:58 L wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 10:38 DarthThienAn wrote:On June 23 2010 10:13 L wrote: Now, looking at team 5, if they're mafia, Ace or Korynne's team is probably mafia too. Why? Team strength + argument patterns.
Hey L, what do you mean by team strength? But I'll agree that, so far, I lean more toward YI than BM, simply because at the time, I didn't think BM's arguments for calling YI mafia so strongly had a strong enough basis. I'll take a look at their argument again if he says it's actually what he was thinking, but honestly, I just saw it as fishing. The fact that he's persisting means nothing to me because he's BM. Also, let's throw team 7 into consideration as well. They don't have the suspiciousness that johnnyspazz offered, but their inactivity is inexcusable as well. I mean that team 5 is probably the weakest team in the game. Which is good, because the thusfar quiet durak decided to speak up and prove me right. Since that's the case it follows that they'd be paired with a strong team, and since i know that caller and I are green, that leaves Ace and Korynne's groups as counterbalances. Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 10:47 BrownBear wrote:On June 23 2010 10:45 Durak wrote:On June 23 2010 10:13 L wrote: So, here are our main options being discussed:
1. Radfield and Korynne 2. Bill Murray and Chezinu 3. LaXerCannon and bumatlarge 4. Ace and DarthThienAn 5. Durak and YellowInk 6. L and Caller 7. Nikon, Zyrre, and meeple 8. Stormtemplar, johnnyspazz, and BrownBear 9. DCLXVI, MooCow and Divinek Who is this clown? You go afk all day, come back, and make some ridiculously biased "summary" post. First of all, you say "our main options" as if you're some authority. You haven't said anything in this thread to separate you from anyone else. In fact, you've just kept under the radar. Second of all, your bolded choices are biased. Your first post in this thread, before anything began, accuses 2 and 8. You repeated the same people in this post even though they have been discussed relatively little. Rather, people have pointed their fingers at you. Give me some analysis or I don't see any reason to listen to you. You're talking bigger than you have shown. Agreed, nicely done new guy! L, can I see some reasons for FOSing me/my team, please? Brownie B: You mean apart from johnny starting day 1 with a "lets kill L lol" post, stormtemplar saying next to nothing besides 1-2 line me-too and you showing up going "lol gj allies for making me look bad" and then a wagon vote on the frontrunners as protection. Pretty contentless garbage from your team in general. Next post: we get into interesting stuff.
Ah, okay. I'm not sure about that though. YellowInk's a pretty strong player, albeit new. I'd put Team 5 above Teams 7, 8, and 9 for that reason, although I don't really remember how good meeple is. Zyrre's like half a YellowInk because of a similar quality of posting, he's less active, and Nikon and Durak are both newbies so nothing there. DCLXVI and MooCow are both so-so, and Divinek I don't know. Neither of the first two are all that great for posting content / being active. This is all based on my playing XXVII.
But, to be honest, I don't care about a 'balanced mafia group' team-strength wise. Didn't someone say flamewheel usually goes random?
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On June 23 2010 11:05 johnnyspazz wrote:darth why you be hating on me? am i really THAT suspicious? Show nested quote +I’d like to remind everyone of one of the first posts I looked at – johnnyspazz’s accusation of L. Completely uncalled for, and a very aggressive move, with potential of drawing even some “veterans” into the bait. Keep an eye on him. i think this is called RVS, someone correct me if i'm wrong.
How is that random? It's based on the fact that you voted to lynch L straight off with absolutely no possible evidence or logical reasoning, other than the idea that L has the potential to lead us to our death. So does Bill Murray. So does Chezinu, to some extent. Other people might - but why not those other two, for example? Why L?
On June 23 2010 11:06 L wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 11:03 DarthThienAn wrote:On June 23 2010 10:58 L wrote:On June 23 2010 10:38 DarthThienAn wrote:On June 23 2010 10:13 L wrote: Now, looking at team 5, if they're mafia, Ace or Korynne's team is probably mafia too. Why? Team strength + argument patterns.
Hey L, what do you mean by team strength? But I'll agree that, so far, I lean more toward YI than BM, simply because at the time, I didn't think BM's arguments for calling YI mafia so strongly had a strong enough basis. I'll take a look at their argument again if he says it's actually what he was thinking, but honestly, I just saw it as fishing. The fact that he's persisting means nothing to me because he's BM. Also, let's throw team 7 into consideration as well. They don't have the suspiciousness that johnnyspazz offered, but their inactivity is inexcusable as well. I mean that team 5 is probably the weakest team in the game. Which is good, because the thusfar quiet durak decided to speak up and prove me right. Since that's the case it follows that they'd be paired with a strong team, and since i know that caller and I are green, that leaves Ace and Korynne's groups as counterbalances. On June 23 2010 10:47 BrownBear wrote:On June 23 2010 10:45 Durak wrote:On June 23 2010 10:13 L wrote: So, here are our main options being discussed:
1. Radfield and Korynne 2. Bill Murray and Chezinu 3. LaXerCannon and bumatlarge 4. Ace and DarthThienAn 5. Durak and YellowInk 6. L and Caller 7. Nikon, Zyrre, and meeple 8. Stormtemplar, johnnyspazz, and BrownBear 9. DCLXVI, MooCow and Divinek Who is this clown? You go afk all day, come back, and make some ridiculously biased "summary" post. First of all, you say "our main options" as if you're some authority. You haven't said anything in this thread to separate you from anyone else. In fact, you've just kept under the radar. Second of all, your bolded choices are biased. Your first post in this thread, before anything began, accuses 2 and 8. You repeated the same people in this post even though they have been discussed relatively little. Rather, people have pointed their fingers at you. Give me some analysis or I don't see any reason to listen to you. You're talking bigger than you have shown. Agreed, nicely done new guy! L, can I see some reasons for FOSing me/my team, please? Brownie B: You mean apart from johnny starting day 1 with a "lets kill L lol" post, stormtemplar saying next to nothing besides 1-2 line me-too and you showing up going "lol gj allies for making me look bad" and then a wagon vote on the frontrunners as protection. Pretty contentless garbage from your team in general. Next post: we get into interesting stuff. Ah, okay. I'm not sure about that though. YellowInk's a pretty strong player, albeit new. I'd put Team 5 above Teams 7, 8, and 9 for that reason, although I don't really remember how good meeple is. Zyrre's like half a YellowInk because of a similar quality of posting, he's less active, and Nikon and Durak are both newbies so nothing there. DCLXVI and MooCow are both so-so, and Divinek I don't know. Neither of the first two are all that great for posting content / being active. This is all based on my playing XXVII. But, to be honest, I don't care about a 'balanced mafia group' team-strength wise. Didn't someone say flamewheel usually goes random? Nikon is not even remotely new, nor is MooCow. Meeple is relatively strong either way. I'd be very surprised if flamewheel would admit to fixing the teams, but f11 setups are normally jiggled around after the rng to make things a bit less dumb.
Eh, I don't know who Nikon is at all, my bad xD. MooCow is pretty new isn't he? I thought XXVII was his first game, making two games total. But okay, fair enough.
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On June 23 2010 11:33 johnnyspazz wrote:Show nested quote +How is that random? It's based on the fact that you voted to lynch L straight off with absolutely no possible evidence or logical reasoning, other than the idea that L has the potential to lead us to our death. So does Bill Murray. So does Chezinu, to some extent. Other people might - but why not those other two, for example? Why L?
stop getting your panties in a bunch, it was JUST a random vote to start things off. Sure L might have the potential to lead the town to victory, he has also shown in the past that he is very detrimental to the town. are we supposed to worship such veterans every game just because they have more experience than everyone else?
? I said potential to lead us to death. And I said, that's the only possible reason you had for voting for him.
Also, if your vote was random, why bother making it? You could just wait 24 hours and make an actual vote.
I'm not saying you should worship them, but being a veteran isn't something that you KILL them for...
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On June 23 2010 11:45 L wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 11:30 Ace wrote:On June 23 2010 11:26 L wrote:On June 23 2010 11:16 Ace wrote:On June 23 2010 11:08 Bill Murray wrote:On June 23 2010 11:06 Ace wrote: L and BM: an OMGUS vote doesn't mean someone is scum. Newbie townies do it a lot. I agree with you on this depending on the person. L casting an OMGUS makes me view him as town moreso. I do the same thing. It is scummy until I am sure that the person does it as town imo. I'm at a loss in this game, but there is more information flowing around than you would expect zyrre for instance is drawing my fos well yes if someone is always known for revenge voting it may be a null tell but it also means they should probably be at the top of the suspect list. Also it depends on the nature of the vote: If you're doing it while building a case then it's fine. If you do it just because you have nothing else to do and crap reasoning then you come off looking squirmish and guilty. Also there isn't that much information flowing around. A lot of it is people poking holes around to see what people say. Like L claiming my team or Radfield's team must be Mafia because his top target sucks: thats ridiculous logic. I'm not sure if it's obnoxious L being sincere or he's faking it but either way it's dumb. They're not my top target at all. I didn't even post a target. I summarized what was going on in the thread. Yellow/Durak jumped out at me because I read Yellow's previous game and he seemed relatively 'in the game' and active, but his partner is a self admitted zero. Compare that to some of our other teams. We have literally zero teams at that level besides that one, which means that a host would likely have compensated. But seeing as you, durak and YI have all come out swinging against a post which is largely examining a random potential out of a much larger post, I think I got something right. So you accuse people of possibly being scum, they address your argument so therefore something must be fishy? Explain this more. Also you can't assume the host balanced teams. If that's the case then you and Caller would just as likely be Scum if we're going by experience and some level of skill here. It also hinges on the fact that YI/Durak have to flip red. If they don't then your entire argument falls to shambles and we've seen that happen before. If people actually addressed the argument, maybe you'd be right. Darth didn't try to address his culpability; he played up team 5's strength. You didn't address the argument. You dismissed it. Durak didn't address the argument. He launched into a "YOU DONT KNOW ME NUH UH" tirade. Only Yellow really bothered to take the time, and given his post's location after mine it seems like he's more trying to patch up an obviously over-inflammatory push from his ally. And no, silly, Caller/Me aren't 'just as likely' when I talk because I have a PM in my inbox telling me I'm green. What you seem to be forgetting is that I'm not calling YI/Durak/You/Darth scum. I looked at the 3 people being discussed and said: "Wow, that team 5 is pretty weak. They'd probably have needed a strong team to balance them out. If they flip red, the other team is likely one of these two." Does that logic tell me whether or not team 5 is red ab initio? No. If I had a massive day 1 eureka and I knew if a team was red, I wouldn't be summarizing what had happened in the prior 3 pages. I would have been pushing for my own target because I DO THAT ALL THE GODDAM TIME. It draws a link in the case that they are. Seriously horrendous deconstruction of what I've said. The 4 people coming out swinging on a very light suspicion, however, seems to be a bit more credible. Rad/Korynne haven't even bothered talking. If you were worried about scum hunting their silence probably would have jumped out at you. The very odd defensive posture you've taken reminds me far more of your low-key mafia play than your green play. For your team? Given Darth's tone and your posts here, I'd say Red or Blue.
Hum? I don't find anything wrong with you using team strength as a basis for your ideas. I personally just don't like that argument, because as far as I know, the setup's random, so I personally will refuse to use that as a source of my reasoning ^^.
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On June 23 2010 11:47 L wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 11:28 DarthThienAn wrote:On June 23 2010 11:05 johnnyspazz wrote:darth why you be hating on me? am i really THAT suspicious? I’d like to remind everyone of one of the first posts I looked at – johnnyspazz’s accusation of L. Completely uncalled for, and a very aggressive move, with potential of drawing even some “veterans” into the bait. Keep an eye on him. i think this is called RVS, someone correct me if i'm wrong. How is that random? It's based on the fact that you voted to lynch L straight off with absolutely no possible evidence or logical reasoning, other than the idea that L has the potential to lead us to our death. So does Bill Murray. So does Chezinu, to some extent. Other people might - but why not those other two, for example? Why L? On June 23 2010 11:06 L wrote:On June 23 2010 11:03 DarthThienAn wrote:On June 23 2010 10:58 L wrote:On June 23 2010 10:38 DarthThienAn wrote:On June 23 2010 10:13 L wrote: Now, looking at team 5, if they're mafia, Ace or Korynne's team is probably mafia too. Why? Team strength + argument patterns.
Hey L, what do you mean by team strength? But I'll agree that, so far, I lean more toward YI than BM, simply because at the time, I didn't think BM's arguments for calling YI mafia so strongly had a strong enough basis. I'll take a look at their argument again if he says it's actually what he was thinking, but honestly, I just saw it as fishing. The fact that he's persisting means nothing to me because he's BM. Also, let's throw team 7 into consideration as well. They don't have the suspiciousness that johnnyspazz offered, but their inactivity is inexcusable as well. I mean that team 5 is probably the weakest team in the game. Which is good, because the thusfar quiet durak decided to speak up and prove me right. Since that's the case it follows that they'd be paired with a strong team, and since i know that caller and I are green, that leaves Ace and Korynne's groups as counterbalances. On June 23 2010 10:47 BrownBear wrote:On June 23 2010 10:45 Durak wrote:On June 23 2010 10:13 L wrote: So, here are our main options being discussed:
1. Radfield and Korynne 2. Bill Murray and Chezinu 3. LaXerCannon and bumatlarge 4. Ace and DarthThienAn 5. Durak and YellowInk 6. L and Caller 7. Nikon, Zyrre, and meeple 8. Stormtemplar, johnnyspazz, and BrownBear 9. DCLXVI, MooCow and Divinek Who is this clown? You go afk all day, come back, and make some ridiculously biased "summary" post. First of all, you say "our main options" as if you're some authority. You haven't said anything in this thread to separate you from anyone else. In fact, you've just kept under the radar. Second of all, your bolded choices are biased. Your first post in this thread, before anything began, accuses 2 and 8. You repeated the same people in this post even though they have been discussed relatively little. Rather, people have pointed their fingers at you. Give me some analysis or I don't see any reason to listen to you. You're talking bigger than you have shown. Agreed, nicely done new guy! L, can I see some reasons for FOSing me/my team, please? Brownie B: You mean apart from johnny starting day 1 with a "lets kill L lol" post, stormtemplar saying next to nothing besides 1-2 line me-too and you showing up going "lol gj allies for making me look bad" and then a wagon vote on the frontrunners as protection. Pretty contentless garbage from your team in general. Next post: we get into interesting stuff. Ah, okay. I'm not sure about that though. YellowInk's a pretty strong player, albeit new. I'd put Team 5 above Teams 7, 8, and 9 for that reason, although I don't really remember how good meeple is. Zyrre's like half a YellowInk because of a similar quality of posting, he's less active, and Nikon and Durak are both newbies so nothing there. DCLXVI and MooCow are both so-so, and Divinek I don't know. Neither of the first two are all that great for posting content / being active. This is all based on my playing XXVII. But, to be honest, I don't care about a 'balanced mafia group' team-strength wise. Didn't someone say flamewheel usually goes random? Nikon is not even remotely new, nor is MooCow. Meeple is relatively strong either way. I'd be very surprised if flamewheel would admit to fixing the teams, but f11 setups are normally jiggled around after the rng to make things a bit less dumb. Eh, I don't know who Nikon is at all, my bad xD. MooCow is pretty new isn't he? I thought XXVII was his first game, making two games total. But okay, fair enough. Nikon changed his name from Nikoner. Maybe you remember him playing under that name.
lol. I had to look him up, couldn't remember him for the life of me :D
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On June 23 2010 12:00 L wrote:Show nested quote +Hum? I don't find anything wrong with you using team strength as a basis for your ideas. I personally just don't like that argument, because as far as I know, the setup's random, so I personally will refuse to use that as a source of my reasoning ^^. I have a few pre-game pms from certain people that make me believe otherwise, but I might be inferring a bit too much out of a bit too little. Either way, seems like a relatively prudent point to make. Unless I'm just trying to pressure your team into posting more, amirite? Then I'm all kinds of ballsy.
You do it your way, I'll do it mine =P.
And I don't mind that. I'm here anyway zz. On another note, I don't think anyone's responded to my first post directly -_-.
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rawr teammate! I almost forgot Ace was on my team.
=D. L, if you want more information on anything specific, just ask imo.
ie. [Your argument] [My response]
[Your explanation of how I sidestepped]
And believe it or not, I forgot what culpability meant earlier and looking it up didn't help so I completely misinterpreted what you meant until now. By culpability you meant how you were connecting Team 5 to Ace and myself? I addressed that pretty early, didn't I? I thought I said something along the lines of "I agree" (assuming your logic), but also that "I disagree and think YellowInk makes his team stronger than teams XXX" which makes your logic meh-ish? I still think YellowInk's team is not the weakest in the game, and so, even taking into account manual team balancing, he wouldn't necessarily be paired up with Korynne/Radfield, Ace/myself, or you/Caller. Well, I mean, the chances are high because that's 1/3 of the teams, lol, but I could just as easily see another middle-ish team being mafia. ie. teams 2, 3, or, based on your account of meeple, team 7, even.
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+ Show Spoiler +On June 23 2010 12:10 Bill Murray wrote: I'll keep that in mind, as I didn't ever understand why people would vote for me when acting like an idiot in this way. I figured that AtE wasn't really a bad thing if used properly, but you make me see the broader picture here tbh.
I would say that it's just him analyzing things from his perspective. Noone really know what is going through L's head...
I personally would vote for someone acting like an idiot because they're hurting the town by doing so and therefore mafia or a bad townie. AtE? You're wrong! I wasn't fishing at all. ...then you were serious? o_o. This says much about either your role, or your skill level. I will admit that the last time I played in a setup like this I disrailed the thread by pushing the lynches of two town-on-town argumentees i was going up against (flamewheel and kf91). If you'll notice, though, I have learned from my bad-play and am not pushing further for YellowInk's head to be hung (because I realize I am not the one who should be deciding anymore, and that there is a likelihood of it being town on town....)
THAT being said, we need to lynch someone. I know that you all are going to look down upon this, but to me i have a 25% chance to lynch another team and have them turn up scum...
some town on town action never hurt anyone :D my team to me isnt scum unless chezinu got the role pm that he was brown and didn't tell me... otherwise we are definitely with the town/townies. in that case, 1/4 of you other teams are mafia, which is where we get the 25% chance of a random hit on mafia... we cannot risk not lynching SOMEONE right now. If we hit that 25% chance and it's 7/8 people town-aligned then we nearly have the game won already. We can't afford to not have that and have a no-lynch or whatever. I don't expect that, nor do I have that good of targets other than that Zyrre guy.. but he may just be bad.
what do you better players think of who we should lynch?
That logic doesn't help anyone. We all think we're town, and we all know there are 2 mafia teams out there. And there's no chance that no one will be lynched, as long as 1 vote is cast, which it has been. There's no such thing as a no-lynch in this setup. Why Zyrre? I don't remember anything about what he's posted this game.
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On June 23 2010 12:29 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 12:05 DarthThienAn wrote:On June 23 2010 12:00 L wrote:Hum? I don't find anything wrong with you using team strength as a basis for your ideas. I personally just don't like that argument, because as far as I know, the setup's random, so I personally will refuse to use that as a source of my reasoning ^^. I have a few pre-game pms from certain people that make me believe otherwise, but I might be inferring a bit too much out of a bit too little. Either way, seems like a relatively prudent point to make. Unless I'm just trying to pressure your team into posting more, amirite? Then I'm all kinds of ballsy. You do it your way, I'll do it mine =P. And I don't mind that. I'm here anyway zz. On another note, I don't think anyone's responded to my first post directly -_-. If I may say so, it was very incriminating But a nice chocolate sundae of what people are doing so far since the day dawned.
It was? I don't even remember what I posted except for the summary. I know you were in there =P. And I know you still aren't posting anything =P.
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On June 23 2010 12:32 L wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 12:26 Ace wrote:On June 23 2010 12:21 L wrote:On June 23 2010 12:07 Ace wrote:On June 23 2010 11:45 L wrote:On June 23 2010 11:30 Ace wrote:On June 23 2010 11:26 L wrote:On June 23 2010 11:16 Ace wrote:On June 23 2010 11:08 Bill Murray wrote:On June 23 2010 11:06 Ace wrote: L and BM: an OMGUS vote doesn't mean someone is scum. Newbie townies do it a lot. I agree with you on this depending on the person. L casting an OMGUS makes me view him as town moreso. I do the same thing. It is scummy until I am sure that the person does it as town imo. I'm at a loss in this game, but there is more information flowing around than you would expect zyrre for instance is drawing my fos well yes if someone is always known for revenge voting it may be a null tell but it also means they should probably be at the top of the suspect list. Also it depends on the nature of the vote: If you're doing it while building a case then it's fine. If you do it just because you have nothing else to do and crap reasoning then you come off looking squirmish and guilty. Also there isn't that much information flowing around. A lot of it is people poking holes around to see what people say. Like L claiming my team or Radfield's team must be Mafia because his top target sucks: thats ridiculous logic. I'm not sure if it's obnoxious L being sincere or he's faking it but either way it's dumb. They're not my top target at all. I didn't even post a target. I summarized what was going on in the thread. Yellow/Durak jumped out at me because I read Yellow's previous game and he seemed relatively 'in the game' and active, but his partner is a self admitted zero. Compare that to some of our other teams. We have literally zero teams at that level besides that one, which means that a host would likely have compensated. But seeing as you, durak and YI have all come out swinging against a post which is largely examining a random potential out of a much larger post, I think I got something right. So you accuse people of possibly being scum, they address your argument so therefore something must be fishy? Explain this more. Also you can't assume the host balanced teams. If that's the case then you and Caller would just as likely be Scum if we're going by experience and some level of skill here. It also hinges on the fact that YI/Durak have to flip red. If they don't then your entire argument falls to shambles and we've seen that happen before. If people actually addressed the argument, maybe you'd be right. Darth didn't try to address his culpability; he played up team 5's strength. You didn't address the argument. You dismissed it. Durak didn't address the argument. He launched into a "YOU DONT KNOW ME NUH UH" tirade. Only Yellow really bothered to take the time, and given his post's location after mine it seems like he's more trying to patch up an obviously over-inflammatory push from his ally. And no, silly, Caller/Me aren't 'just as likely' when I talk because I have a PM in my inbox telling me I'm green. What you seem to be forgetting is that I'm not calling YI/Durak/You/Darth scum. I looked at the 3 people being discussed and said: "Wow, that team 5 is pretty weak. They'd probably have needed a strong team to balance them out. If they flip red, the other team is likely one of these two." Does that logic tell me whether or not team 5 is red ab initio? No. If I had a massive day 1 eureka and I knew if a team was red, I wouldn't be summarizing what had happened in the prior 3 pages. I would have been pushing for my own target because I DO THAT ALL THE GODDAM TIME. It draws a link in the case that they are. Seriously horrendous deconstruction of what I've said. The 4 people coming out swinging on a very light suspicion, however, seems to be a bit more credible. Rad/Korynne haven't even bothered talking. If you were worried about scum hunting their silence probably would have jumped out at you. The very odd defensive posture you've taken reminds me far more of your low-key mafia play than your green play. For your team? Given Darth's tone and your posts here, I'd say Red or Blue. We do not know you are green. Everyone is going to claim green. That's irrelevant. I addressed your argument. I said you suspecting the host of balancing teams is a fallacy, especially when the host claimed to use a RNG. If you still do then your entire argument hinges on the host lying right? Your argument was that Yi/Durak are a weak team. If they are red, then the other mafia team must be a strong team. You then say it's up to my team or Radfield's team. I told you that IF you argument was sound then you'd also have to include yourself. The rest of the town has no idea about your alignment and saying "my PM says I'm green" doesn't make it any clearer. This is what I keep bringing up : the LOGIC in your arguments don't add up. Also what does Radfield/Korynne being silent have to do with my stance on them? Them not responding to you doesn't make them scummy. Once again your saying I'm taking an odd defensive stance when all I've done is address why your logic doesn't add up. Seems more to me that you are trying to forcefully characterize my stance on your argument into a position which doesn't exist. Why would I include myself from my own point of view when I know I'm not red? Me being in such a position lets me narrow down the possibilities as much as possible. You can't be certain I'm not lying, but then again that's kinda the entire point of the game, no? If you want to use the logic but don't trust me, feel free to put my name in and take yours out from your analysis' pov. That's kinda how it works. This seriously has to be the most truistic and circular objection to an argument I've ever seen. Why do you consistently waste time on such stupid shit? I can't believe you of all people are accusing someone of circular logic. I'm trying to illustrate to you that saying "I'm green" doesn't remove you from the pool of "strong teams" in your own argument. I know you'll claim green, no shit. I'm telling you it isn't convincing anyone that you aren't scum and repeating it doesn't help either. Derp, and I'm telling you that's irrelevant because I am not 'anyone'. I'm a person privy to the private information contained in my role pm. Whether or not your believe me is kinda irrelevant to me because its very unlikely given the rolecounts that this'll become the basis of a kill from our team. In general, however, this has been a fantastic way to make you talk more than you would have otherwise, so thank you for taking part on that fishing expedition.
How big was the fish?
From what I can tell, this argument is completely silly, and I think you can both agree that any one person/team can say "I know I am green, therefore..."
And then you (L) are saying, "Yeah, I'm excluding that option in my posts cuz I know I'm green"
whereas Ace is saying, "Why are you excluding yourself? We don't know that you're green."
which means, it really comes down to a matter of posting style / thought process. In general, I include myself in the equation (in thread) if I might be mafia in other people's eyes, because then, it's applicable to everyone, and everyone can agree with my logic. Leaving that out only works for me / my team only, which makes it less helpful / clear to everyone else.
But really, this all seems silly to me, and I think we should move on to bigger and better things.
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On June 23 2010 12:35 Divinek wrote: ##vote: Team 7
Hey, man. Sup? ^^
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BrownBear, I'm not sure getting on L's case for his list is going to help anyone. Continue to do so if you're mafia though, it's a good way to distract the thread.
When I saw that list, I immediately interpreted it as a summary of the last few pages, possibly because I had recently read all of the posts and knew it was along those lines, but still, I didn't see it as a random "L's lynch list" kind of deal or anything like that at all.
Divinek, that's all I wanted to know =p.
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On June 23 2010 13:22 johnnyspazz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 13:12 DarthThienAn wrote: BrownBear, I'm not sure getting on L's case for his list is going to help anyone. Continue to do so if you're mafia though, it's a good way to distract the thread.
what the heck? he's just defending himself from accusations that he thought were directed at him... if anything L is already doing a superb job at distracting the thread.
Perhaps, but why perpetuate that distracting if you don't need to? And defending yourself doesn't necessary have to include accusations against other people and the instinct to accuse whoever accused you. He could easily have explained himself.
Aside from that, L wasn't even really pointing the finger at him. No one was calling him out based on his inactivity, until he made a big deal out of it. I called his TEAM out on it, because stormtemplar's posted like twice, and terribly iirc, and you... well, you know what I think about you
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L, it's in sixths bro. Chez's got it straight.
Anyway.
Since he claims he wasn’t fishing…
Bill Murray
Current Vote: Team 7 (along with his partner, Chezinu), changed from Team 5 (more specifically, YellowInk) Posts: 22, but he’s a fan of double-posting and triple-posting and all that.
+ Show Spoiler +Any posts that I skip should be considered useless. On June 22 2010 15:07 Bill Murray wrote: putting pressure on a 3 man team would therefore put more pressure on them as it would give us information from 3 people. for that reasoning, considering it is the RV stage, we should probably be more apt to randomly vote for a 3 person team to create 33% more pressure hmm, not a bad idea (who cares about the math – 50% more pressure isn’t it?). Surprising that he started on YellowInk then, rather than a 3 person team?
From johnnyspazz: On June 23 2010 01:25 Bill Murray wrote: Chezinu, who are we going to protect? On June 23 2010 01:39 Chezinu wrote: I heard that the person who posted after my last post was mafia. i think i'm going to protect a townie. i also believe that we may have a dt. On June 23 2010 01:49 Bill Murray wrote: I would say protect ace, korynne is likely scum major f.o.s. On June 23 2010 01:57 Bill Murray wrote: Get on i.r.c. so we can discuss who we should protect
Hmm… they know that it’s possible for this to be read. So they are either making themselves targets, legitimately don’t think they’re allowed to PM, or are trying to screw up the town. I lean toward the last one because that’s what they always do. On June 23 2010 02:13 Bill Murray wrote:since i view you as red, we should lynch your entire team? if I feel like you are posting like you did when you were a yellow turban, i shouldn't sit idly while you try to ruin my game? such wise words from someone who is likely to be scum. perhaps you are doing the exact thing you're saying scum will do: Show nested quote +so the generic strategy for mafia is to appear to be town - preferably without helping them too much. ? I am going to assume we are out of the RVS, and use this hypocrisy as the basis for my voting you. You are doing exactly what you'd advocate red to do - appearing town without helping all that much. Instead of discussing what someone would do... why are you even thinking of that, by the way?... you should be scumhunting but are not. Even L's obvious OMGUS is a lot less suspicious to me than this. All that’s saying here is that he thinks YellowInk is scum, based on the fact that YellowInk appears to be town. … I think I’ve said before that I don’t see the logic there. On June 23 2010 03:14 Bill Murray wrote: Nice try at trying to shake your mud off and put it on me -- it's not going to work. You are in line with your scum meta this game, and since you've come into the spotlight, i will not let you out of it or you are gone, lynched, donzo. period.
by taking the spotlight like you did you are either anti town who will not stay in the spotlight and are going to be lynched or you are going to help the town by staying in the spotlight you have created for yourself.
as to people who dislike encoding messages, i do not specifically see where we cannot communicate with other pro town members in the thread. i'm sure the people who are complaining (radfield and korynnes team, and team 5) are actually the teams likely to be mafia from my perspective, which is why they're complaining.
Newer players, notice how YellowInk has no logical argument towards me so he has to use colors with his posts to back up his weakness? So all you’re saying is that if YellowInk continues to stay in the spotlight, he’s town? Terrible logic. YellowInk stayed in the spotlight, but that doesn’t make him town. He just loves the spotlight. There’s no reason for him to jump into the spotlight if he’s mafia, but like you say later, he did this last game too, so this says nothing about him. And again, I don’t see a logical argument from you either… and YellowInk only accused you as a response, which is as typical of a townie as it is of a mafia player. On June 23 2010 03:20 Bill Murray wrote: Your play in this and xxvii or whichever one it was in have been differing. I do not take it as being evolution of your meta-game either. The way I am taking it is that you have a power role. Being fairly unfamiliar with your play, I am going to take my vote off of you for now, as you did seem to take the spotlight in the other game you were in (I had you confused with another player, Trezeguet23). I do note some differences in your play, though, as in the other game you seem to be a lot more joking while taking the spotlight.
Hmm. Clarify by what you mean by “the way you are taking it”? He responded to you… he did that last game too, he responded directly to anyone who ever said anything about him. On June 23 2010 03:24 Bill Murray wrote: Wow. Lynch this guy. First, the mafia won't know shit if they have a roleblocker They can have a roleblocker while we have 7 townies, they don't know anything WE can also not be sure to have a detective at all I was about to take my vote off of you, but the way you are acting, it is staying there for the rest of the game.
Also, advising DT not to go to lategame is ill informed in my opinion as well. Every DT messup i've ever really seen has occurred by the DT revealing too early
I also dislike the negative near-omgus you are directing towards bumatlarge. While his play may be scummy scummy play doesn't always = scum. I am not saying carry him into a lynch or lose scenario, but that he is not acting nearly as scummy as other people, namely you.
humm... again, I agree with a later claim in general for this setup. Not sure if the intensity you put into this is appropriate though... I don't think his roleblocker analysis is off though. In that paragraph, he's assuming we have a DT, and therefore the mafia would know if there's a medic or not based on whether or not they have a roleblocker. And it seems logical to me for the mafia to do such a thing, assuming roleblocker, medic, and DT are all in play (hit someone else, roleblock the DT). Otherwise, they straight up hit the DT. His accusation on bumatlarge is the same one that you make on him... zzz. On June 23 2010 03:25 Bill Murray wrote:+ Show Spoiler +[Setup 2] -
1 Mafia Goon 1 Mafia Roleblocker 7 Townies I see why you posted this now… but it wasn’t really necessary. =P On June 23 2010 03:26 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 03:24 Korynne wrote: BM, how is talking in morse code helpful in the thread? Anyone can put it into a morse code translator.
If you wish to speak in code in hopes that somehow magically other townies but not mafia will be able to decipher it, be my guest. But I find the whole addition of morse code or binary or any other simple translatable using google form of cryptic communication useless and disruptive to people when they want to analyze the thread. you mean to say that it is unfair to you because you and your scumbuddy team #5 are the only ones who are capable of using IRC to coordinate with other teams? lol. Accusations ftw? On June 23 2010 03:31 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 03:27 YellowInk wrote: I am fine with being in the spotlight. Whether I am lynched is always up to the town. Honestly, if I weren't me, I'd be suspect of myself if I were quiet, where being loud gives no credit either for or against me. Your contrived explanations to turn up the heat on me where it's not due is kind of silly, though.
Is my last post logical enough for your tastes? Show nested quote +@BM I think I was pretty clear that I wasn't shaking mud on you. I'm not sure why you continue to place heat on me unreasonably. That you persist in this fashion is sketchy, but I've known players with your style before and it's fine. The fact that you are continuously getting heat from me is because your play is deteriorating are you are completely misinterpreting the setup and passing along heinously wrong information to the players who are uninformed. Show nested quote +I am fine with being in the spotlight. Whether I am lynched is always up to the town. Honestly, if I weren't me, I'd be suspect of myself if I were quiet, where being loud gives no credit either for or against me. Your contrived explanations to turn up the heat on me where it's not due is kind of silly, though. How is you misinterpreting the thread and trying to push forward anti-town and negative ideas CONTRIVED? It isn't. You are my #1 scum candidate. A second reason is your OMGUS vote of Bumatlarge after the RVS in which this shit shouldn't be allowed to happen. You are approaching the point where you will be lynched by the better players for sheer policy. Either way you look at it, if you back off the spotlight, or continue to make mistakes, you will go from FoS to being hammered by someone. Misinterpreting setup ~ possible intentional scum move. More often newbie move, nothing to lynch on. Hmm.. it’s interesting that he “OMGUS”’d bumatlarge. But he didn’t really do so without reason. So it’s not really OMGUS is it? I’ll buy that as a pink flag though. I don’t quite understand your plan here, BM. If you weren’t fishing, then what were you doing? You’re forcing YellowInk to post more, but also telling him that he needs to post more pro-town, which is what I think he was doing/trying to do. If you really think he’s mafia, why are you warning him? If you think he’s town, why are you still on his case? On June 23 2010 09:40 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 04:56 Korynne wrote: So there seems to be a bandwagon starting on YellowInk. I don't like it very much... Mainly because I believe that YellowInk is relatively easy to read, so I don't think we'll have a lot of trouble dealing with him in the later days as we would some other people *cough*L*cough*Chezinu*cough*. So I would definitely favour lynching a group of inactives or someone hard to read over lynching YellowInk.
Those are my two cents on the matter. I WONDER WHY YOU DONT LIKE A TRAIN ON YOUR SCUM BUDDY LOL Lol, more accusing of Korynne. Where’s the backup for that? Basically along post complaining "I'm actively lurking like scum", why don't you all do the same and hide my mafia-like behavior?
? I’m pretty sure he was saying that he DIDN’T like the inactivity… You're saying I'm posting whargarrbl when you're omgus and trying to derail the thread from proper scumhunting... FURTHERMORE, you are also attacking my solely because I am attacking you. You fail to scumhunt someone other than your attacker, which is another form of OMGUS. Your arguments with me are beginning to appear town on town to me, though, so if you are mafia you are doing better than you were previously.
Hummm, okay o_o. Laying off Yellow now, but saying his posts are crappy? I hope that’s the proper interpretation. Ace just wants the only people who actually scumhunt to be offed...
Subtle. Real nice accusation =p. On June 23 2010 10:02 Bill Murray wrote: which is why im voting team 7 radfield, is it wrong to vote someone who acts scummy when you KNOW they are town or townie? Yes, it is. You know this. If it wasn't then half of teamliquid would deserve policy lynching. Okay, inactivity’s legit. But it’s not wrong to vote someone scummy when you KNOW they are town. It’s a form of fishing. But I guess, in your case, it is wrong.. -_- On June 23 2010 11:08 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 11:06 Ace wrote: L and BM: an OMGUS vote doesn't mean someone is scum. Newbie townies do it a lot. I agree with you on this depending on the person. L casting an OMGUS makes me view him as town moreso. I do the same thing. It is scummy until I am sure that the person does it as town imo. I'm at a loss in this game, but there is more information flowing around than you would expect zyrre for instance is drawing my fos Another soft accusation… why? Give me reasons, and don’t say, “he just looks scummy.” Well, you can say that, but back it up with posts/quotes. + Show Spoiler [recent lost post] +On June 23 2010 12:10 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 11:16 Ace wrote:On June 23 2010 11:08 Bill Murray wrote:On June 23 2010 11:06 Ace wrote: L and BM: an OMGUS vote doesn't mean someone is scum. Newbie townies do it a lot. I agree with you on this depending on the person. L casting an OMGUS makes me view him as town moreso. I do the same thing. It is scummy until I am sure that the person does it as town imo. I'm at a loss in this game, but there is more information flowing around than you would expect zyrre for instance is drawing my fos well yes if someone is always known for revenge voting it may be a null tell but it also means they should probably be at the top of the suspect list. Also it depends on the nature of the vote: If you're doing it while building a case then it's fine. If you do it just because you have nothing else to do and crap reasoning then you come off looking squirmish and guilty. Also there isn't that much information flowing around. A lot of it is people poking holes around to see what people say. Like L claiming my team or Radfield's team must be Mafia because his top target sucks: thats ridiculous logic. I'm not sure if it's obnoxious L being sincere or he's faking it but either way it's dumb. Show nested quote + If you're doing it while building a case then it's fine. If you do it just because you have nothing else to do and crap reasoning then you come off looking squirmish and guilty.
I'll keep that in mind, as I didn't ever understand why people would vote for me when acting like an idiot in this way. I figured that AtE wasn't really a bad thing if used properly, but you make me see the broader picture here tbh. I would say that it's just him analyzing things from his perspective. Noone really know what is going through L's head... Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 10:38 DarthThienAn wrote:On June 23 2010 10:13 L wrote: Now, looking at team 5, if they're mafia, Ace or Korynne's team is probably mafia too. Why? Team strength + argument patterns.
Hey L, what do you mean by team strength? But I'll agree that, so far, I lean more toward YI than BM, simply because at the time, I didn't think BM's arguments for calling YI mafia so strongly had a strong enough basis. I'll take a look at their argument again if he says it's actually what he was thinking, but honestly, I just saw it as fishing. The fact that he's persisting means nothing to me because he's BM. Also, let's throw team 7 into consideration as well. They don't have the suspiciousness that johnnyspazz offered, but their inactivity is inexcusable as well. You're wrong! I wasn't fishing at all. Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 10:58 L wrote:On June 23 2010 10:38 DarthThienAn wrote:On June 23 2010 10:13 L wrote: Now, looking at team 5, if they're mafia, Ace or Korynne's team is probably mafia too. Why? Team strength + argument patterns.
Hey L, what do you mean by team strength? But I'll agree that, so far, I lean more toward YI than BM, simply because at the time, I didn't think BM's arguments for calling YI mafia so strongly had a strong enough basis. I'll take a look at their argument again if he says it's actually what he was thinking, but honestly, I just saw it as fishing. The fact that he's persisting means nothing to me because he's BM. Also, let's throw team 7 into consideration as well. They don't have the suspiciousness that johnnyspazz offered, but their inactivity is inexcusable as well. I mean that team 5 is probably the weakest team in the game. Which is good, because the thusfar quiet durak decided to speak up and prove me right. Since that's the case it follows that they'd be paired with a strong team, and since i know that caller and I are green, that leaves Ace and Korynne's groups as counterbalances. On June 23 2010 10:47 BrownBear wrote:On June 23 2010 10:45 Durak wrote:On June 23 2010 10:13 L wrote: So, here are our main options being discussed:
1. Radfield and Korynne 2. Bill Murray and Chezinu 3. LaXerCannon and bumatlarge 4. Ace and DarthThienAn 5. Durak and YellowInk 6. L and Caller 7. Nikon, Zyrre, and meeple 8. Stormtemplar, johnnyspazz, and BrownBear 9. DCLXVI, MooCow and Divinek Who is this clown? You go afk all day, come back, and make some ridiculously biased "summary" post. First of all, you say "our main options" as if you're some authority. You haven't said anything in this thread to separate you from anyone else. In fact, you've just kept under the radar. Second of all, your bolded choices are biased. Your first post in this thread, before anything began, accuses 2 and 8. You repeated the same people in this post even though they have been discussed relatively little. Rather, people have pointed their fingers at you. Give me some analysis or I don't see any reason to listen to you. You're talking bigger than you have shown. Agreed, nicely done new guy! L, can I see some reasons for FOSing me/my team, please? Brownie B: You mean apart from johnny starting day 1 with a "lets kill L lol" post, stormtemplar saying next to nothing besides 1-2 line me-too and you showing up going "lol gj allies for making me look bad" and then a wagon vote on the frontrunners as protection. Pretty contentless garbage from your team in general. Next post: we get into interesting stuff. "I mean that team 5 is probably the weakest team in the game. Which is good, because the thusfar quiet durak decided to speak up and prove me right." LOL. Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 11:27 L wrote: Oh, silly me, Top of the page darth comes out too.
That makes all 4 of you. Connect 4! lol L if you're not going to go into law you should go into comedy and i say that in all seriousness not the over-used cliche-style joke Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 11:28 DarthThienAn wrote:On June 23 2010 11:05 johnnyspazz wrote:darth why you be hating on me? am i really THAT suspicious? I’d like to remind everyone of one of the first posts I looked at – johnnyspazz’s accusation of L. Completely uncalled for, and a very aggressive move, with potential of drawing even some “veterans” into the bait. Keep an eye on him. i think this is called RVS, someone correct me if i'm wrong. How is that random? It's based on the fact that you voted to lynch L straight off with absolutely no possible evidence or logical reasoning, other than the idea that L has the potential to lead us to our death. So does Bill Murray. So does Chezinu, to some extent. Other people might - but why not those other two, for example? Why L? On June 23 2010 11:06 L wrote:On June 23 2010 11:03 DarthThienAn wrote:On June 23 2010 10:58 L wrote:On June 23 2010 10:38 DarthThienAn wrote:On June 23 2010 10:13 L wrote: Now, looking at team 5, if they're mafia, Ace or Korynne's team is probably mafia too. Why? Team strength + argument patterns.
Hey L, what do you mean by team strength? But I'll agree that, so far, I lean more toward YI than BM, simply because at the time, I didn't think BM's arguments for calling YI mafia so strongly had a strong enough basis. I'll take a look at their argument again if he says it's actually what he was thinking, but honestly, I just saw it as fishing. The fact that he's persisting means nothing to me because he's BM. Also, let's throw team 7 into consideration as well. They don't have the suspiciousness that johnnyspazz offered, but their inactivity is inexcusable as well. I mean that team 5 is probably the weakest team in the game. Which is good, because the thusfar quiet durak decided to speak up and prove me right. Since that's the case it follows that they'd be paired with a strong team, and since i know that caller and I are green, that leaves Ace and Korynne's groups as counterbalances. On June 23 2010 10:47 BrownBear wrote:On June 23 2010 10:45 Durak wrote:On June 23 2010 10:13 L wrote: So, here are our main options being discussed:
1. Radfield and Korynne 2. Bill Murray and Chezinu 3. LaXerCannon and bumatlarge 4. Ace and DarthThienAn 5. Durak and YellowInk 6. L and Caller 7. Nikon, Zyrre, and meeple 8. Stormtemplar, johnnyspazz, and BrownBear 9. DCLXVI, MooCow and Divinek Who is this clown? You go afk all day, come back, and make some ridiculously biased "summary" post. First of all, you say "our main options" as if you're some authority. You haven't said anything in this thread to separate you from anyone else. In fact, you've just kept under the radar. Second of all, your bolded choices are biased. Your first post in this thread, before anything began, accuses 2 and 8. You repeated the same people in this post even though they have been discussed relatively little. Rather, people have pointed their fingers at you. Give me some analysis or I don't see any reason to listen to you. You're talking bigger than you have shown. Agreed, nicely done new guy! L, can I see some reasons for FOSing me/my team, please? Brownie B: You mean apart from johnny starting day 1 with a "lets kill L lol" post, stormtemplar saying next to nothing besides 1-2 line me-too and you showing up going "lol gj allies for making me look bad" and then a wagon vote on the frontrunners as protection. Pretty contentless garbage from your team in general. Next post: we get into interesting stuff. Ah, okay. I'm not sure about that though. YellowInk's a pretty strong player, albeit new. I'd put Team 5 above Teams 7, 8, and 9 for that reason, although I don't really remember how good meeple is. Zyrre's like half a YellowInk because of a similar quality of posting, he's less active, and Nikon and Durak are both newbies so nothing there. DCLXVI and MooCow are both so-so, and Divinek I don't know. Neither of the first two are all that great for posting content / being active. This is all based on my playing XXVII. But, to be honest, I don't care about a 'balanced mafia group' team-strength wise. Didn't someone say flamewheel usually goes random? Nikon is not even remotely new, nor is MooCow. Meeple is relatively strong either way. I'd be very surprised if flamewheel would admit to fixing the teams, but f11 setups are normally jiggled around after the rng to make things a bit less dumb. Eh, I don't know who Nikon is at all, my bad xD. MooCow is pretty new isn't he? I thought XXVII was his first game, making two games total. But okay, fair enough. I will admit that the last time I played in a setup like this I disrailed the thread by pushing the lynches of two town-on-town argumentees i was going up against (flamewheel and kf91). If you'll notice, though, I have learned from my bad-play and am not pushing further for YellowInk's head to be hung (because I realize I am not the one who should be deciding anymore, and that there is a likelihood of it being town on town....) THAT being said, we need to lynch someone. I know that you all are going to look down upon this, but to me i have a 25% chance to lynch another team and have them turn up scum... my team to me isnt scum unless chezinu got the role pm that he was brown and didn't tell me... otherwise we are definitely with the town/townies. in that case, 1/4 of you other teams are mafia, which is where we get the 25% chance of a random hit on mafia... we cannot risk not lynching SOMEONE right now. If we hit that 25% chance and it's 7/8 people town-aligned then we nearly have the game won already. We can't afford to not have that and have a no-lynch or whatever. I don't expect that, nor do I have that good of targets other than that Zyrre guy.. but he may just be bad. what do you better players think of who we should lynch? @the last paragraph, because the rest idc about: yes, you’re right. We need to lynch someone. Why Zyrre though? Elaboratee plz.
Conclusions so far: BM, you’re throwing a lot of unsupported accusations. I’ll buy the whole YellowInk argument as you thinking he’s mafia although I mostly don’t agree with your logic, but your accusations on Team 1, Ace, and Zyrre haven’t really been supported at all in your posts. You throwing around all of these accusations doesn’t help the town AT ALL unless you support it and give logical reasoning. It’s not that hard, unless you’re making a case that you don’t actually believe in (ie. you’re mafia). So either give me an explanation as to why you think all of the people I just listed are mafia, especially Ace =P, or consider yourself extremely suspicious for over-aggressiveness and an attempt to start multiple bandwagons. Furthermore, you're cluttering the thread with generally bad posts. The only thing saving you right now is, well, your spamming, but I won’t buy that for long, especially because I know it’s pretty easy for a mafia player to jump into the spotlight.
Sup. Feel free to ask if my logic doesn't seem to be logic.
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On June 23 2010 13:45 Chezinu wrote: Bill Murray isn't even giving me an explanation of his actions.. Why can't town analyze me instead of BM?
cuz you weren't in a huge battle with YellowInk that put you in the spotlight and made me go "o_o". Is that a good reason?
On another note, I did for the luls.
Furthermore, I'd like to take this opportunity to place a vote of no confidence in the Supreme Chancellor, namely Flamewheel Valorum. I may or may not be influenced by my Senator, Ace Palpatine.
In retrospect, this seems a little backwards, since I'm the Sith here, but I don't think Ace would ever agree to posting something like this =P.
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On June 23 2010 13:49 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +I don’t quite understand your plan here, BM. If you weren’t fishing, then what were you doing? See: Sarcasm the wise L sayeth haters going to hate
You're wrong! I wasn't fishing at all.
...way to waste my time. The wink was hardly an adequate indication of sarcasm. -___-.
On June 23 2010 13:53 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 13:42 DarthThienAn wrote:L, it's in sixths bro. Chez's got it straight. Anyway. Since he claims he wasn’t fishing… Bill MurrayCurrent Vote: Team 7 (along with his partner, Chezinu), changed from Team 5 (more specifically, YellowInk) Posts: 22, but he’s a fan of double-posting and triple-posting and all that. + Show Spoiler +Any posts that I skip should be considered useless. On June 22 2010 15:07 Bill Murray wrote: putting pressure on a 3 man team would therefore put more pressure on them as it would give us information from 3 people. for that reasoning, considering it is the RV stage, we should probably be more apt to randomly vote for a 3 person team to create 33% more pressure hmm, not a bad idea (who cares about the math – 50% more pressure isn’t it?). Surprising that he started on YellowInk then, rather than a 3 person team?
From johnnyspazz: On June 23 2010 01:25 Bill Murray wrote: Chezinu, who are we going to protect? On June 23 2010 01:39 Chezinu wrote: I heard that the person who posted after my last post was mafia. i think i'm going to protect a townie. i also believe that we may have a dt. On June 23 2010 01:49 Bill Murray wrote: I would say protect ace, korynne is likely scum major f.o.s. On June 23 2010 01:57 Bill Murray wrote: Get on i.r.c. so we can discuss who we should protect
Hmm… they know that it’s possible for this to be read. So they are either making themselves targets, legitimately don’t think they’re allowed to PM, or are trying to screw up the town. I lean toward the last one because that’s what they always do. On June 23 2010 02:13 Bill Murray wrote:since i view you as red, we should lynch your entire team? if I feel like you are posting like you did when you were a yellow turban, i shouldn't sit idly while you try to ruin my game? such wise words from someone who is likely to be scum. perhaps you are doing the exact thing you're saying scum will do: Show nested quote +so the generic strategy for mafia is to appear to be town - preferably without helping them too much. ? I am going to assume we are out of the RVS, and use this hypocrisy as the basis for my voting you. You are doing exactly what you'd advocate red to do - appearing town without helping all that much. Instead of discussing what someone would do... why are you even thinking of that, by the way?... you should be scumhunting but are not. Even L's obvious OMGUS is a lot less suspicious to me than this. All that’s saying here is that he thinks YellowInk is scum, based on the fact that YellowInk appears to be town. … I think I’ve said before that I don’t see the logic there. On June 23 2010 03:14 Bill Murray wrote: Nice try at trying to shake your mud off and put it on me -- it's not going to work. You are in line with your scum meta this game, and since you've come into the spotlight, i will not let you out of it or you are gone, lynched, donzo. period.
by taking the spotlight like you did you are either anti town who will not stay in the spotlight and are going to be lynched or you are going to help the town by staying in the spotlight you have created for yourself.
as to people who dislike encoding messages, i do not specifically see where we cannot communicate with other pro town members in the thread. i'm sure the people who are complaining (radfield and korynnes team, and team 5) are actually the teams likely to be mafia from my perspective, which is why they're complaining.
Newer players, notice how YellowInk has no logical argument towards me so he has to use colors with his posts to back up his weakness? So all you’re saying is that if YellowInk continues to stay in the spotlight, he’s town? Terrible logic. YellowInk stayed in the spotlight, but that doesn’t make him town. He just loves the spotlight. There’s no reason for him to jump into the spotlight if he’s mafia, but like you say later, he did this last game too, so this says nothing about him. And again, I don’t see a logical argument from you either… and YellowInk only accused you as a response, which is as typical of a townie as it is of a mafia player. On June 23 2010 03:20 Bill Murray wrote: Your play in this and xxvii or whichever one it was in have been differing. I do not take it as being evolution of your meta-game either. The way I am taking it is that you have a power role. Being fairly unfamiliar with your play, I am going to take my vote off of you for now, as you did seem to take the spotlight in the other game you were in (I had you confused with another player, Trezeguet23). I do note some differences in your play, though, as in the other game you seem to be a lot more joking while taking the spotlight.
Hmm. Clarify by what you mean by “the way you are taking it”? He responded to you… he did that last game too, he responded directly to anyone who ever said anything about him. On June 23 2010 03:24 Bill Murray wrote: Wow. Lynch this guy. First, the mafia won't know shit if they have a roleblocker They can have a roleblocker while we have 7 townies, they don't know anything WE can also not be sure to have a detective at all I was about to take my vote off of you, but the way you are acting, it is staying there for the rest of the game.
Also, advising DT not to go to lategame is ill informed in my opinion as well. Every DT messup i've ever really seen has occurred by the DT revealing too early
I also dislike the negative near-omgus you are directing towards bumatlarge. While his play may be scummy scummy play doesn't always = scum. I am not saying carry him into a lynch or lose scenario, but that he is not acting nearly as scummy as other people, namely you.
humm... again, I agree with a later claim in general for this setup. Not sure if the intensity you put into this is appropriate though... I don't think his roleblocker analysis is off though. In that paragraph, he's assuming we have a DT, and therefore the mafia would know if there's a medic or not based on whether or not they have a roleblocker. And it seems logical to me for the mafia to do such a thing, assuming roleblocker, medic, and DT are all in play (hit someone else, roleblock the DT). Otherwise, they straight up hit the DT. His accusation on bumatlarge is the same one that you make on him... zzz. On June 23 2010 03:25 Bill Murray wrote:+ Show Spoiler +[Setup 2] -
1 Mafia Goon 1 Mafia Roleblocker 7 Townies I see why you posted this now… but it wasn’t really necessary. =P On June 23 2010 03:26 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 03:24 Korynne wrote: BM, how is talking in morse code helpful in the thread? Anyone can put it into a morse code translator.
If you wish to speak in code in hopes that somehow magically other townies but not mafia will be able to decipher it, be my guest. But I find the whole addition of morse code or binary or any other simple translatable using google form of cryptic communication useless and disruptive to people when they want to analyze the thread. you mean to say that it is unfair to you because you and your scumbuddy team #5 are the only ones who are capable of using IRC to coordinate with other teams? lol. Accusations ftw? On June 23 2010 03:31 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 03:27 YellowInk wrote: I am fine with being in the spotlight. Whether I am lynched is always up to the town. Honestly, if I weren't me, I'd be suspect of myself if I were quiet, where being loud gives no credit either for or against me. Your contrived explanations to turn up the heat on me where it's not due is kind of silly, though.
Is my last post logical enough for your tastes? Show nested quote +@BM I think I was pretty clear that I wasn't shaking mud on you. I'm not sure why you continue to place heat on me unreasonably. That you persist in this fashion is sketchy, but I've known players with your style before and it's fine. The fact that you are continuously getting heat from me is because your play is deteriorating are you are completely misinterpreting the setup and passing along heinously wrong information to the players who are uninformed. Show nested quote +I am fine with being in the spotlight. Whether I am lynched is always up to the town. Honestly, if I weren't me, I'd be suspect of myself if I were quiet, where being loud gives no credit either for or against me. Your contrived explanations to turn up the heat on me where it's not due is kind of silly, though. How is you misinterpreting the thread and trying to push forward anti-town and negative ideas CONTRIVED? It isn't. You are my #1 scum candidate. A second reason is your OMGUS vote of Bumatlarge after the RVS in which this shit shouldn't be allowed to happen. You are approaching the point where you will be lynched by the better players for sheer policy. Either way you look at it, if you back off the spotlight, or continue to make mistakes, you will go from FoS to being hammered by someone. Misinterpreting setup ~ possible intentional scum move. More often newbie move, nothing to lynch on. Hmm.. it’s interesting that he “OMGUS”’d bumatlarge. But he didn’t really do so without reason. So it’s not really OMGUS is it? I’ll buy that as a pink flag though. I don’t quite understand your plan here, BM. If you weren’t fishing, then what were you doing? You’re forcing YellowInk to post more, but also telling him that he needs to post more pro-town, which is what I think he was doing/trying to do. If you really think he’s mafia, why are you warning him? If you think he’s town, why are you still on his case? On June 23 2010 09:40 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 04:56 Korynne wrote: So there seems to be a bandwagon starting on YellowInk. I don't like it very much... Mainly because I believe that YellowInk is relatively easy to read, so I don't think we'll have a lot of trouble dealing with him in the later days as we would some other people *cough*L*cough*Chezinu*cough*. So I would definitely favour lynching a group of inactives or someone hard to read over lynching YellowInk.
Those are my two cents on the matter. I WONDER WHY YOU DONT LIKE A TRAIN ON YOUR SCUM BUDDY LOL Lol, more accusing of Korynne. Where’s the backup for that? Basically along post complaining "I'm actively lurking like scum", why don't you all do the same and hide my mafia-like behavior?
? I’m pretty sure he was saying that he DIDN’T like the inactivity… You're saying I'm posting whargarrbl when you're omgus and trying to derail the thread from proper scumhunting... FURTHERMORE, you are also attacking my solely because I am attacking you. You fail to scumhunt someone other than your attacker, which is another form of OMGUS. Your arguments with me are beginning to appear town on town to me, though, so if you are mafia you are doing better than you were previously.
Hummm, okay o_o. Laying off Yellow now, but saying his posts are crappy? I hope that’s the proper interpretation. Ace just wants the only people who actually scumhunt to be offed...
Subtle. Real nice accusation =p. On June 23 2010 10:02 Bill Murray wrote: which is why im voting team 7 radfield, is it wrong to vote someone who acts scummy when you KNOW they are town or townie? Yes, it is. You know this. If it wasn't then half of teamliquid would deserve policy lynching. Okay, inactivity’s legit. But it’s not wrong to vote someone scummy when you KNOW they are town. It’s a form of fishing. But I guess, in your case, it is wrong.. -_- On June 23 2010 11:08 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 11:06 Ace wrote: L and BM: an OMGUS vote doesn't mean someone is scum. Newbie townies do it a lot. I agree with you on this depending on the person. L casting an OMGUS makes me view him as town moreso. I do the same thing. It is scummy until I am sure that the person does it as town imo. I'm at a loss in this game, but there is more information flowing around than you would expect zyrre for instance is drawing my fos Another soft accusation… why? Give me reasons, and don’t say, “he just looks scummy.” Well, you can say that, but back it up with posts/quotes. + Show Spoiler [recent lost post] +On June 23 2010 12:10 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 11:16 Ace wrote:On June 23 2010 11:08 Bill Murray wrote:On June 23 2010 11:06 Ace wrote: L and BM: an OMGUS vote doesn't mean someone is scum. Newbie townies do it a lot. I agree with you on this depending on the person. L casting an OMGUS makes me view him as town moreso. I do the same thing. It is scummy until I am sure that the person does it as town imo. I'm at a loss in this game, but there is more information flowing around than you would expect zyrre for instance is drawing my fos well yes if someone is always known for revenge voting it may be a null tell but it also means they should probably be at the top of the suspect list. Also it depends on the nature of the vote: If you're doing it while building a case then it's fine. If you do it just because you have nothing else to do and crap reasoning then you come off looking squirmish and guilty. Also there isn't that much information flowing around. A lot of it is people poking holes around to see what people say. Like L claiming my team or Radfield's team must be Mafia because his top target sucks: thats ridiculous logic. I'm not sure if it's obnoxious L being sincere or he's faking it but either way it's dumb. Show nested quote + If you're doing it while building a case then it's fine. If you do it just because you have nothing else to do and crap reasoning then you come off looking squirmish and guilty.
I'll keep that in mind, as I didn't ever understand why people would vote for me when acting like an idiot in this way. I figured that AtE wasn't really a bad thing if used properly, but you make me see the broader picture here tbh. I would say that it's just him analyzing things from his perspective. Noone really know what is going through L's head... Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 10:38 DarthThienAn wrote:On June 23 2010 10:13 L wrote: Now, looking at team 5, if they're mafia, Ace or Korynne's team is probably mafia too. Why? Team strength + argument patterns.
Hey L, what do you mean by team strength? But I'll agree that, so far, I lean more toward YI than BM, simply because at the time, I didn't think BM's arguments for calling YI mafia so strongly had a strong enough basis. I'll take a look at their argument again if he says it's actually what he was thinking, but honestly, I just saw it as fishing. The fact that he's persisting means nothing to me because he's BM. Also, let's throw team 7 into consideration as well. They don't have the suspiciousness that johnnyspazz offered, but their inactivity is inexcusable as well. You're wrong! I wasn't fishing at all. Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 10:58 L wrote:On June 23 2010 10:38 DarthThienAn wrote:On June 23 2010 10:13 L wrote: Now, looking at team 5, if they're mafia, Ace or Korynne's team is probably mafia too. Why? Team strength + argument patterns.
Hey L, what do you mean by team strength? But I'll agree that, so far, I lean more toward YI than BM, simply because at the time, I didn't think BM's arguments for calling YI mafia so strongly had a strong enough basis. I'll take a look at their argument again if he says it's actually what he was thinking, but honestly, I just saw it as fishing. The fact that he's persisting means nothing to me because he's BM. Also, let's throw team 7 into consideration as well. They don't have the suspiciousness that johnnyspazz offered, but their inactivity is inexcusable as well. I mean that team 5 is probably the weakest team in the game. Which is good, because the thusfar quiet durak decided to speak up and prove me right. Since that's the case it follows that they'd be paired with a strong team, and since i know that caller and I are green, that leaves Ace and Korynne's groups as counterbalances. On June 23 2010 10:47 BrownBear wrote:On June 23 2010 10:45 Durak wrote:On June 23 2010 10:13 L wrote: So, here are our main options being discussed:
1. Radfield and Korynne 2. Bill Murray and Chezinu 3. LaXerCannon and bumatlarge 4. Ace and DarthThienAn 5. Durak and YellowInk 6. L and Caller 7. Nikon, Zyrre, and meeple 8. Stormtemplar, johnnyspazz, and BrownBear 9. DCLXVI, MooCow and Divinek Who is this clown? You go afk all day, come back, and make some ridiculously biased "summary" post. First of all, you say "our main options" as if you're some authority. You haven't said anything in this thread to separate you from anyone else. In fact, you've just kept under the radar. Second of all, your bolded choices are biased. Your first post in this thread, before anything began, accuses 2 and 8. You repeated the same people in this post even though they have been discussed relatively little. Rather, people have pointed their fingers at you. Give me some analysis or I don't see any reason to listen to you. You're talking bigger than you have shown. Agreed, nicely done new guy! L, can I see some reasons for FOSing me/my team, please? Brownie B: You mean apart from johnny starting day 1 with a "lets kill L lol" post, stormtemplar saying next to nothing besides 1-2 line me-too and you showing up going "lol gj allies for making me look bad" and then a wagon vote on the frontrunners as protection. Pretty contentless garbage from your team in general. Next post: we get into interesting stuff. "I mean that team 5 is probably the weakest team in the game. Which is good, because the thusfar quiet durak decided to speak up and prove me right." LOL. Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 11:27 L wrote: Oh, silly me, Top of the page darth comes out too.
That makes all 4 of you. Connect 4! lol L if you're not going to go into law you should go into comedy and i say that in all seriousness not the over-used cliche-style joke Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 11:28 DarthThienAn wrote:On June 23 2010 11:05 johnnyspazz wrote:darth why you be hating on me? am i really THAT suspicious? I’d like to remind everyone of one of the first posts I looked at – johnnyspazz’s accusation of L. Completely uncalled for, and a very aggressive move, with potential of drawing even some “veterans” into the bait. Keep an eye on him. i think this is called RVS, someone correct me if i'm wrong. How is that random? It's based on the fact that you voted to lynch L straight off with absolutely no possible evidence or logical reasoning, other than the idea that L has the potential to lead us to our death. So does Bill Murray. So does Chezinu, to some extent. Other people might - but why not those other two, for example? Why L? On June 23 2010 11:06 L wrote:On June 23 2010 11:03 DarthThienAn wrote:On June 23 2010 10:58 L wrote:On June 23 2010 10:38 DarthThienAn wrote:On June 23 2010 10:13 L wrote: Now, looking at team 5, if they're mafia, Ace or Korynne's team is probably mafia too. Why? Team strength + argument patterns.
Hey L, what do you mean by team strength? But I'll agree that, so far, I lean more toward YI than BM, simply because at the time, I didn't think BM's arguments for calling YI mafia so strongly had a strong enough basis. I'll take a look at their argument again if he says it's actually what he was thinking, but honestly, I just saw it as fishing. The fact that he's persisting means nothing to me because he's BM. Also, let's throw team 7 into consideration as well. They don't have the suspiciousness that johnnyspazz offered, but their inactivity is inexcusable as well. I mean that team 5 is probably the weakest team in the game. Which is good, because the thusfar quiet durak decided to speak up and prove me right. Since that's the case it follows that they'd be paired with a strong team, and since i know that caller and I are green, that leaves Ace and Korynne's groups as counterbalances. On June 23 2010 10:47 BrownBear wrote:On June 23 2010 10:45 Durak wrote:On June 23 2010 10:13 L wrote: So, here are our main options being discussed:
1. Radfield and Korynne 2. Bill Murray and Chezinu 3. LaXerCannon and bumatlarge 4. Ace and DarthThienAn 5. Durak and YellowInk 6. L and Caller 7. Nikon, Zyrre, and meeple 8. Stormtemplar, johnnyspazz, and BrownBear 9. DCLXVI, MooCow and Divinek Who is this clown? You go afk all day, come back, and make some ridiculously biased "summary" post. First of all, you say "our main options" as if you're some authority. You haven't said anything in this thread to separate you from anyone else. In fact, you've just kept under the radar. Second of all, your bolded choices are biased. Your first post in this thread, before anything began, accuses 2 and 8. You repeated the same people in this post even though they have been discussed relatively little. Rather, people have pointed their fingers at you. Give me some analysis or I don't see any reason to listen to you. You're talking bigger than you have shown. Agreed, nicely done new guy! L, can I see some reasons for FOSing me/my team, please? Brownie B: You mean apart from johnny starting day 1 with a "lets kill L lol" post, stormtemplar saying next to nothing besides 1-2 line me-too and you showing up going "lol gj allies for making me look bad" and then a wagon vote on the frontrunners as protection. Pretty contentless garbage from your team in general. Next post: we get into interesting stuff. Ah, okay. I'm not sure about that though. YellowInk's a pretty strong player, albeit new. I'd put Team 5 above Teams 7, 8, and 9 for that reason, although I don't really remember how good meeple is. Zyrre's like half a YellowInk because of a similar quality of posting, he's less active, and Nikon and Durak are both newbies so nothing there. DCLXVI and MooCow are both so-so, and Divinek I don't know. Neither of the first two are all that great for posting content / being active. This is all based on my playing XXVII. But, to be honest, I don't care about a 'balanced mafia group' team-strength wise. Didn't someone say flamewheel usually goes random? Nikon is not even remotely new, nor is MooCow. Meeple is relatively strong either way. I'd be very surprised if flamewheel would admit to fixing the teams, but f11 setups are normally jiggled around after the rng to make things a bit less dumb. Eh, I don't know who Nikon is at all, my bad xD. MooCow is pretty new isn't he? I thought XXVII was his first game, making two games total. But okay, fair enough. I will admit that the last time I played in a setup like this I disrailed the thread by pushing the lynches of two town-on-town argumentees i was going up against (flamewheel and kf91). If you'll notice, though, I have learned from my bad-play and am not pushing further for YellowInk's head to be hung (because I realize I am not the one who should be deciding anymore, and that there is a likelihood of it being town on town....) THAT being said, we need to lynch someone. I know that you all are going to look down upon this, but to me i have a 25% chance to lynch another team and have them turn up scum... my team to me isnt scum unless chezinu got the role pm that he was brown and didn't tell me... otherwise we are definitely with the town/townies. in that case, 1/4 of you other teams are mafia, which is where we get the 25% chance of a random hit on mafia... we cannot risk not lynching SOMEONE right now. If we hit that 25% chance and it's 7/8 people town-aligned then we nearly have the game won already. We can't afford to not have that and have a no-lynch or whatever. I don't expect that, nor do I have that good of targets other than that Zyrre guy.. but he may just be bad. what do you better players think of who we should lynch? @the last paragraph, because the rest idc about: yes, you’re right. We need to lynch someone. Why Zyrre though? Elaboratee plz. Conclusions so far: BM, you’re throwing a lot of unsupported accusations. I’ll buy the whole YellowInk argument as you thinking he’s mafia although I mostly don’t agree with your logic, but your accusations on Team 1, Ace, and Zyrre haven’t really been supported at all in your posts. You throwing around all of these accusations doesn’t help the town AT ALL unless you support it and give logical reasoning. It’s not that hard, unless you’re making a case that you don’t actually believe in (ie. you’re mafia). So either give me an explanation as to why you think all of the people I just listed are mafia, especially Ace =P, or consider yourself extremely suspicious for over-aggressiveness and an attempt to start multiple bandwagons. Furthermore, you're cluttering the thread with generally bad posts. The only thing saving you right now is, well, your spamming, but I won’t buy that for long, especially because I know it’s pretty easy for a mafia player to jump into the spotlight. Sup. Feel free to ask if my logic doesn't seem to be logic. Well, considering you're bringing up an argument which has been dead for pages in my opinion, i'll address this one last time. YellowInk was acting very scummy at the RVS for me, so I prodded him or needled him to see if he would argue with me. He did eventually. He had a very scummy sounding post in my opinion towards bumatlarge. That rekindled the suspicion I had had from the RVS. I am not sure if he is mafia, so I shifted my vote towards someone who has been actively lurking, Zyrre. I do not know his meta, so I am going to be keeping my vote on him for this until he proves me otherwise. I am not suspicious of Ace... I am even more suspicious of L than Ace, meaning both of them are near the bottom of my suspicious list. My analysis of Korynne and Radfield is that they're a power role. I do not know what power role they are. This would fit in line with Korynne's play when she was red in my eyes, although I believe Radfield is trying to convince her that they should play the PM game between theirselves
Yeah, it's been dead. But I was going through all your posts, so for me, it came back to life. =P.
ohhh... Zyrre is on team 7. lol, I didn't even check =P. Since you said his name specifically, I assumed it was because of something he posted.
For Ace: Good, that's more accurate =P. You had that subtle thing against Ace, which is why I brought that up.
I'll bite on Korynne/Radfield. There are unexpectedly inactive for them being them. Radfield is typically one of the most active players on Day 1, and he often suggests a game plan, etc. but I don't think I saw that this game? It's off from his usual play style I think. Korynne is the same way - I expect more posting from her, more analysis, more responses/thoughts on arguments happening, etc..
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On June 23 2010 13:57 Chezinu wrote: "meaning both of them are near the bottom of my suspicious list." Really, they are that low on your suspect list? You don't think it is one of them combined with a team 6-9? such as team 8? Bill, can we please talk in IRC?
lol, you guys sound like a married couple.
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On June 24 2010 04:55 Zyrre wrote: Imo there is about 50/50 that either bum or BM's team is mafia. As it stands I'm keeping my vote on BM for obvious reasons.
nah, put it on bumatlarge/LaXerCannon. Bill Murray already posts enough as it is.
bumatlarge's posts are either extremely confusing or crappy, imo. If you remember my analysis on Bill Murray, that was actually supposed to be bumatlarge, but then I decided to switch. His latest posts don't convince me otherwise, either.
On June 24 2010 04:57 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote + I'm ready to put bill and chez's past behind them if they truly want to help the town.
Wow, I was just about to come here and post that I was going to change my play and apologize for acting too crazy. I shouldn't have played along with BM... From this post forward, I am a changed man. Thank you for your forgiveness. Now, let us play as civil townies.
Actually, Chez, I find that your English of late is quite clear. =D.
On June 24 2010 05:01 Korynne wrote:LaXeratlarge and bumCannon+ Show Spoiler +Uhh...I have a hard time understanding what bumatlarge is saying, to be honest. There's a rather awkward post: "This seems to have escalated above us yellow, lets go into a hidey-hole and wait for the whole thing to blow over" I mean it could just be a joke and whatever, but what if it was supposed to be a response to YellowInk that he accidentally posted in the thread? I would put the likelihood of that at like 3% but something to reconsider if either of them turns out red. Okay honestly I have a lot of trouble reading bumatlarge's posts... bumatlarge encourages people to post quality stuff. I don't get this whole I'll bandwagon myself if it gets to day 4 thing, but it turns my radar down some because it would be rather silly for mafia to propose such a weird idea. They obviously can't die at night so it's like saying, if we survive 3 lynches, let's not survive another one! I don't think bum is good enough to pull a risky move like this as mafia. Conclusion: I don't know...bumatlarge just feels really confusing to me. I wouldn't mind lynching them or giving them another day to clear up. I don't like bum's lynch us day 4 claim, because it means mafia can keep you around to day 4 and win essentially if you are town. But without the threat of killing you day 4 then you could be making a decent mafia move.
Your analysis on his Day 4 is completely wrong, Korynne... it's an easy move for mafia to make. The majority of people who say things like that don't follow through with it. He could easily be convinced that he won't make it past Day 3 for obvious reasons. Day 4 is endgame, assuming no saves. No one's going to call him out on that when there are 3 teams total left, and he doesn't start the "bandwagon" on himself. So that post = yet another useless post. It says absolutely nothing and is thus, a waste of our time in the thread.
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On June 24 2010 05:25 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2010 03:14 DCLXVI wrote:so this is where the votes stand now: + Show Spoiler +Votes for Team 2 (15) Ace (Team 4) meeple (Team 7) BrownBear (Team 8) johnnyspazz (Team 8) DCLXVI (Team 9) Nikon (Team 7) Zyrre (Team 7)
Votes for Team 3 (6) YellowInk (Team 5) Bill Murray (Team 2)
Votes for Team 7 (13) Chezinu (Team 2) LaXerCannon (Team 3) Divinek (Team 9) Durak (Team 5) stormtemplar (Team 8)
Votes for Team 8 (6) L (Team 6) bumatlarge (Team 3)
Votes for Team 9 (3) DarthThienAn (Team 4) Ace has been suspicious of Teams 2 and and less so 6 Stormtemplar has split from his team and voted for team 7, but the rest of team 8 is still on BM/chez Team 7 is rationally voting for team 2 now since anything else would lose them the vote my team is split, and I think moocow left the game New crusade against team 3 by yellow and BM (also known as suicide for BM). Some suspicions presented in the thread. Now that the anti-inactivity bandwagon against team 7 has ended it would be good to look at who stayed on and who recently joined for what reasons as well as who left for what reasons. L had some suspicions on team 8 early on, but I have no idea why bum just switched I think that Darth just wants team 9 to post more. I can't wait to see who gets lynched, since it will give us some great insight on the rest of the teams. Now that BM has started to post some decent arguments (well at least better than before) I am not sure if hanging him would be the right option. I don't say this because I think that he is less likely to be mafia, I just think that we would get more information out of lynching another team, say team 3 or maybe 8. Bum's recent posting and voting has me confused and a little more suspicious so I'd rather team 3 than 8 get lynched, but I'm not certain. Time for work, will probably get back in time to change my vote if need be. Am I the only one who thinks this post screams mafia? Why is Team 9 getting a pass? They are posting just above the threshold of inactivity, right about the level of mafia. They are completely under the radar and not getting involved in any discussions or arguments. Granted at this point MooCow is on the verge of getting modkilled, but that still leaves DCLXVI and Divinek. Neither of them have come out with strong stances, and neither are being particularly helpful to town. I'm going to go through their post history right now to see what I see. I encourage all players to take a good hard look at team 9.
yo I did that when I went to sleep. But no one did anything so I just went with da flow yo.
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LaXerCannon
Current and only vote: Team 7 Total posts: 7
Posts: 1. useless 2. useless 3. against voting useless people off (^ go figure), unless it's detrimental to the town (it always is so...) - note that this is a reply to Ace. Advice to blues: stay unpredictable (no really), don't make yourself a target, but don't get killed for inactivity (meh, not bad). Advice to DT: Check the teams of three. etc etc false logic + understanding. 4. (shortly after 3) thinks chez wants more activity before he takes action. uhh. pretty useless. 5. useless 6. "Team 7 is inactive" - his vote is cast immediately after this post. 7. useless. But he went to sleep ~ 6 hours ago, I expect him to be online before the day ends.
You'll notice a common theme in my comments about LaXer's 7 posts.
Conclusion: Kid's a genius. We can't afford to lose a player like him. Lynch bumatlarge but keep LaXerCannon imo. I agree 100% with his suspicions, and will back him in any future endeavors.
This should explain my current vote.
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Analysis of L - serious players, don't look.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 22 2010 09:13 L wrote:L is the twelfth letter of the basic modern Latin alphabet. Its name in English is pronounced el or occasionally ell. Source L is considered the world's greatest detective, whose identity remains unknown before the game takes place because he has never revealed himself to the public. L takes on Caller in order to to find the titular murderer able to kill people whose names are written in the Death Note (PM). He meets Caller, a teenager named Light Yagami, and becomes determined to convict him.
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On June 24 2010 05:53 Radfield wrote: Rather, I'd like to hear peoples thought on Team 9. Although I want to hear Team 9's thoughts as well
Like I said, Team 9 has been skatin' by with crap posts. At least BM/Chez posted a lot of crap posts, and then some decent posts after that.
Hence my vote on that last night. But it failed to do anything, because they only asked me why I was voting for them, they didn't step it up at all.
On June 24 2010 05:52 Radfield wrote: Quick sidetracking my glorious accusations.
Team 9, I'd like to hear responses.
You should have had it all together then =p. And my analysis on LaXerCannon was legit/serious, minus the sarcasm.
If people weren't actually voting for Team 3, or if bumatlarge's posts didn't look so confusing/bad, my vote would still be on Team 9.
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On June 24 2010 06:30 Divinek wrote: also darth i asked why you voted for us so quickly i want details sir!
I thought I already answered it.
On June 24 2010 05:12 DarthThienAn wrote:I'm just a pressure cooker. Really, I am. + Show Spoiler +
On June 24 2010 05:27 DarthThienAn wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2010 05:25 Radfield wrote:On June 24 2010 03:14 DCLXVI wrote:so this is where the votes stand now: + Show Spoiler +Votes for Team 2 (15) Ace (Team 4) meeple (Team 7) BrownBear (Team 8) johnnyspazz (Team 8) DCLXVI (Team 9) Nikon (Team 7) Zyrre (Team 7)
Votes for Team 3 (6) YellowInk (Team 5) Bill Murray (Team 2)
Votes for Team 7 (13) Chezinu (Team 2) LaXerCannon (Team 3) Divinek (Team 9) Durak (Team 5) stormtemplar (Team 8)
Votes for Team 8 (6) L (Team 6) bumatlarge (Team 3)
Votes for Team 9 (3) DarthThienAn (Team 4) Ace has been suspicious of Teams 2 and and less so 6 Stormtemplar has split from his team and voted for team 7, but the rest of team 8 is still on BM/chez Team 7 is rationally voting for team 2 now since anything else would lose them the vote my team is split, and I think moocow left the game New crusade against team 3 by yellow and BM (also known as suicide for BM). Some suspicions presented in the thread. Now that the anti-inactivity bandwagon against team 7 has ended it would be good to look at who stayed on and who recently joined for what reasons as well as who left for what reasons. L had some suspicions on team 8 early on, but I have no idea why bum just switched I think that Darth just wants team 9 to post more. I can't wait to see who gets lynched, since it will give us some great insight on the rest of the teams. Now that BM has started to post some decent arguments (well at least better than before) I am not sure if hanging him would be the right option. I don't say this because I think that he is less likely to be mafia, I just think that we would get more information out of lynching another team, say team 3 or maybe 8. Bum's recent posting and voting has me confused and a little more suspicious so I'd rather team 3 than 8 get lynched, but I'm not certain. Time for work, will probably get back in time to change my vote if need be. Am I the only one who thinks this post screams mafia? Why is Team 9 getting a pass? They are posting just above the threshold of inactivity, right about the level of mafia. They are completely under the radar and not getting involved in any discussions or arguments. Granted at this point MooCow is on the verge of getting modkilled, but that still leaves DCLXVI and Divinek. Neither of them have come out with strong stances, and neither are being particularly helpful to town. I'm going to go through their post history right now to see what I see. I encourage all players to take a good hard look at team 9. yo I did that when I went to sleep. But no one did anything so I just went with da flow yo.
On June 24 2010 05:58 DarthThienAn wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2010 05:53 Radfield wrote: Rather, I'd like to hear peoples thought on Team 9. Although I want to hear Team 9's thoughts as well Like I said, Team 9 has been skatin' by with crap posts. At least BM/Chez posted a lot of crap posts, and then some decent posts after that. Hence my vote on that last night. But it failed to do anything, because they only asked me why I was voting for them, they didn't step it up at all. Show nested quote +On June 24 2010 05:52 Radfield wrote: Quick sidetracking my glorious accusations.
Team 9, I'd like to hear responses. You should have had it all together then =p. And my analysis on LaXerCannon was legit/serious, minus the sarcasm. If people weren't actually voting for Team 3, or if bumatlarge's posts didn't look so confusing/bad, my vote would still be on Team 9.
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On June 24 2010 06:43 Divinek wrote: k i just thought there might be more too it, that's cool
Well, considering that you have yet to post anything but excuses, perhaps there SHOULD be a little more to it.
Example of excuses:
On June 24 2010 06:29 Divinek wrote: Well my posts are probably pretty low content cuz im trying to learn this game as i go, since this is my first time playing. I'm pretty busy in life right now so im trying to post when i can and stay above the threshold of inactivity.
I'm obviously not very good on reading yet and it's pretty early on the game so i dont want to target someone with too much conviction unless i have good reasoning, cause i dont want to confuse people etc.
I think based on zyrre's posts my vote for team 7 is a pretty good one based on what has happened so far, but it's hard to say as i dont have histories on any of you and i dont have time to read through the other threads yet.
I think my team mates are also pretty new to the mafia scene? so they're probably trying to lay low and watch what the good players do, at least that's what im doing and at least for the first day i figured it was solid to go with strong arguments others presented + my own reads. Since i might be pretty shit at throwing strong accusations up i wouldnt want to get my team meaninglessly in trouble.
Is that good or were there other specific questions
Note that the majority of that was bolded.
Regarding your teammates, I know for a fact that MooCow had no problem speaking his mind in the last game that flamewheel hosted. Can't speak for Incognito's game because I didn't read it. DCLXVI is another name I recognize from flamewheel's game. Again, I expect more from him. He is not a noob. He shouldn't be scared of posting something bad. After all, he picked out bumatlarge for a DT check that game, and was right. This kind of indicates that he has some sense of analysis.
Basically what I'm saying is that you're inactivity level is inexcusable - and to me, content/substance is a criteria for activity. Radfield's noticed the same thing - before him, no one else supported me, so I let it slide because bumatlarge seems like a viable lynch target (in that people are voting for him).
20 second tutorial on behavioral analysis: 1) Read someone's post(s). 2) Think about it logically- --Does it make sense, or no? --Does it seem like something a mafia player would do, or no? --Does it have any practical use / does it help the town, or no? 3) Post your conclusions/instinctive impressions about the post(s). 4) Pat yourself on the back and repeat.
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On June 24 2010 06:53 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2010 06:47 Zyrre wrote:I don't know if this is just your playing style, or if you are playing a terrible mafia chenizu. You switched your vote off my team. You ask me about something that I've responded to already(if you thought I was mafia, shouldn't you at least read through my posts?). And then you say this: remember he denies that there are two sides... Referring to these posts: + Show Spoiler +BM said several things that didn't make any sense, pointed out by YI. I will hold off on voting just yet. But that combined with him trying to get YI lynched means that im right now leaning towards him. So what am I supposed to say if I suspect BM because of what he said (and YI pointed out the flaws) chez? And, did I say there were only two sides? You call that denying there are two sides? This is a response that I was looking for. misspelling my name must mean that you didn't give this post much thought, which is good because then it comes out as sincere. Therefore, you are probably innocent or a really good mafia player.
Dude I care about spelling equally in all of my posts, whether I am mafia, town, or posting in the KPop thread. Especially spelling of someone's name, no one cares - that's not a legitimate reason for your conclusion Chez -_-.
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On June 24 2010 06:58 YellowInk wrote:Radfield, note that I already called out team 9 on inactivity, but it was 10 hours before close of voting. + Show Spoiler + This makes it difficult to use voting as a method of pressure. I agree that team 9's posts have been trash. + Show Spoiler +I had considered shifting to team 9 before going to sleep, but at that point team 9 was no worse than team 7. As you can see, the team 9 analysis is before team 7 picked up their activity - I was posing an alternative location for pressure. I had hoped that would kick team 9 into gear. When it got too late in the day, there was no reason to apply pressure to team 9 since their activities aren't precisely red, they're simply inactive. I'd be on board with putting the squeeze on team 9 at the start of tomorrow if they havn't shaped up. If BM turns up green I still thing bum would be an excellent target. Speaking of - since my 'crusade' on bumatlarge does not appear to have been well received, can people post why they don't agree with my analysis? Is it because BM looks to be a better target? Is it because you really think bum is more likely to be green? I'd like to hear responses on this because I feel like my posture is falling on deaf ears. I'd like to hear from anyone who cares about what I have to say. :D At any rate, it's not something happening today. If BM/Chez flip red, that makes bum look much more green and Team 9 deserves more scrutiny.
Yooo. You should have just voted for them back whenever that was. My vote was already there, some 8 hours before your post, and even before that second-linked post of yours.
On June 24 2010 07:00 Zyrre wrote: Yeah, it could also be equally attributed to everyone calling you chez. Also, as laxer asked, is there an easy way to get multiple quotes in a post? I'm just finding them and adding them manually.
Quote in a new tab (Shift+click the 'Quote' link), and cut (ctral+A, ctrl+X, ctrl+V) it in manually. Takes like 3 seconds, for real -_-.
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On June 24 2010 07:09 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2010 06:56 Ace wrote: Radfield I don't know how you can go after team 9 when BM/Chez have played more scummy than they have. Yea they aren't posting a lot but the BM/Chez are posting garbage. Lack of effort doesn't mean someone is scummy. Playing like scum usually means the person really is scum. Well, lets set BM and Chez aside for the moment. I agree that they've posted a lot of spam, but I think both have tried to contribute more this game then in the games I've played with them when they were mafia. That doesn't mean much though, but I can't help it if I get a bit of a townie vibe from them. Of course I agree with your last two sentences. I am interested to hear your opinion of Team 9 though. Pretend BM and Chez are already dead. Am I off base on thinking they are scum? Are other people scumdars going off when they read their post history?
I can't say the scumdar applies because it's not set to the the 'actively scan' setting.
If we're only looking at what we have, then yes, they are more scummy than innocent.
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On June 24 2010 08:16 bumatlarge wrote: I mean regardless, I'd rather live, as I have been active, an I having been making substance posts, as have you.
If everyone was as active as us, I'd have no qualms about it.
Point me, please. o_o. And use English! ^_^.
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On June 24 2010 08:25 Divinek wrote: So does chez always do this wishy washy voting style, i think he's changed his vote at least 7 times?
just for that :D
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@bum, substance.
@Radfield: it's the final vote that counts =D
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On June 24 2010 08:36 Ace wrote: this much vote switching = an innocent is getting killed. No way actual townies have any reason to switch around votes if their minds are already made up.
My voting is all strategical.
kekeke.
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@bumatlarge: thanks for being a good sport ^^. My thoughts below. You’ll have to look at my post and yours side-by-side, since I didn’t bother to quote most of it.
+ Show Spoiler + Not really inclined against anybody at the moment, so I'll wait to see what comes out of the woodwork. Not that I'm really expecting much to happen on the first day when there is absolutely nothing but a person's history to go by.
1. Your first quoted post is decent. The first paragraph is a fair argument against what whoever suggested – I don’t think we should play any differently against 3 player teams from 2 player teams, especially because the 3 player teams are all a man down I think? The bit I quoted above is an unnecessary statement, one of those “I’m here” posts that doesn’t say anything. It was early though, so I’ll give you a pass on that one. Also – plenty happens on the first day =D. 2. Your next post is really… meh. The first paragraph is pretty useless to me. The second paragraph: I for one disagree with Yellow, and favor your idea of a DT claiming Day 2 if they have red, else, day 3 with two green or a red/green. Good call for DTs to check actual reddish people. Here’s why this post might be red to Yellow/others: well the first part is pretty useless, like I said. Bad town/mafia often have posts like that. The second paragraph, even if I agree with it, is pretty general/generic. Anyone can made commentary on a setup, and even they do it accurately, it’s not that bad for them (as mafia). What Yellow was screaming about was that you assumed there were all three power roles – DT, medic, RB, which suggests that you knew more than the rest of us. It’s suspicious, and it’s not something that you can apologize for. That kind of stuff goes on your permanent record, at least to me. 3. This next post is again, really general, and you’re talking about last game. It’s okay, but doesn’t contribute to your “townieness.” And posts like that, if they show up too often, end up being an indication of your scumminess. I also think that blues should try to stay alive. Better to be inactive than the mafia’s prime target simply because of posting. There are ~3 inactive teams right now and 2 half-inactive teams. That’s 1/2 of the teams – it’s a bigger crowd than the main posters. 4. Uhh. Next post like the 2nd post I think. A “correction,” but the same commentary applies. 5. This post is mostly useless tbh… I mean, Yellow would probably feel otherwise since it’s addressed to him, but all you’re really doing is defending against his accusations by saying that he’s accusing you solely because he disagrees with you, which is not the case, I don’t think. 6. This post is useless. You’re right, it’s pretty bad. 7. I considered pressuring you earlier, like I said before, but decided to go directly to Bill Murray and clear that up first. L’s comment wasn’t so much that there’s a lot to judge me and Ace by (although I have had multiple extremely long posts), but more that his fishing expedition was over. Your second paragraph here says..nothing except that you’re admitting that you’re posting sucks? What? Your third paragraph, you could listen to yourself. Post analysis >>> talk about game setup. Game plans are typically something that I don’t want to hear about for more than a few hours’ worth of posts in a 48 hour day. But yea, overall this post, not that great. 8. Hm. I’ve shared my thoughts on your day 4 lynch me scam, but I’ll repeat myself here: it’s scummy. There’s no weight in it, except what people decide to take from it. Actions-wise, no one’s going to be there to hold you accountable, assuming you’re still alive. So it’s a quick and easy ploy for you to get some fake credibility, to me. Furthermore, your calls for “blues check me” is another thing that has no weight in it. By calling for something like that and assuming that you get the town to follow it, you take away all unpredictability that our blues (assuming we have any) have. Easy hit for the mafia tonight, no worries about medics that way. A great scheme for a scum to run. So this too is also scummy.
Anyway, those are my immediate thoughts on your posts. If you’re town, I hope you’ll see why you look scummy to some people. The things I’ve said in addition to your overall poor post quality makes you a potentially good lynch target. I’m kinda leaning away from you at this point though. Gotta do a little more reading before I decide whether or not I shall heed my master’s bidding.
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On June 24 2010 09:16 Divinek wrote: If only i had the persuasive power to put more light on team 2.
BM completely dodged any way to logically explain his teams wishy washy voting, and as soon as i brought this up the first time darth immediately omgus-like voted on me. Red protecting red anyone?
lol...
1) my vote was on you ~22 hours ago. I changed it because it didn't seem like your team was stepping up at all. Granted, MooCow's gone, but DCLXVI hasn't really stepped up either. You have, but in a very... weird way. You've been talking almost exclusively to BM as far as I can remember. 2) How did I OMGUS-like vote you? My quoting you referred to your saying "Chez switching 7 times in one day is scummy" to show you that just because someone changes their vote often, they aren't scummy. Anyone can do that, and people who have a desire to troll, such as myself, WILL do that. 3) Like I said earlier, it's the serious votes + final vote that count. 4) Me voting for you != me protecting BM.
zzz. Nice to see that you're talking more though. Panicking at the thought of dying? o_o.
On June 24 2010 10:06 DCLXVI wrote: @radfield I am not sure why my last post "screams mafia" since you didn't bother to elaborate, but sure...
Yes we have been inactive and that is our fault, I just wanted to see where day 1 went and see who would be lynched. Apparently that only works for experienced players. We posted slightly less content than team 1 who is quiet all day, then they accuse us so that they look active.
One question to all of you: What will you gain by lynching a quiet noob team? We have not made many opinions or sided with anyone. Yes that can sound scummy, but we would have to be obscenely stupid to do that if we were mafia. I would expect mafia teams to accuse other teams and throw around suspicion especially if they are in the spotlight. If you lynch us then you get absolutely no information when we flip green. Maybe you can go after team 1, but I think they'll just hide behind the 'lynch the inactive' excuse. I thought the point of the day 1 lynch was to find the role of a team that had supporters and suspicions on people, but apparently I am wrong.
Now we must become one of those wishy washy teams that have been moving their vote to keep themselves out of danger (2,7)
-flamewheel will we still get 1/3 of a vote even though moocow opted to take himself out of the game?
Naweezy, don't worry, I got my eye on Team 1. But in general, Team 1's posts >> yours in quality.
Activity = more posting = easier reads. That's the basic gist. Therefore, it's in mafia's best interest to post as little as possible. This is a general rule of course.
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Ace is trying to "Force" me to listen to him. lololol.
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On June 24 2010 10:32 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2010 10:23 DarthThienAn wrote:
zzz. Nice to see that you're talking more though. Panicking at the thought of dying? o_o.
. of course, i think every single player in the game panicks at the thought of dying. Though i suppose i wouldnt mind dying too much if it gave the town some decent info or anything from it, but if we die then flip green what has that gained anyone? id much rather see a red team flip the first day, though i guess the odds are against that and how is that weird, the way ive become active? ive been talking to the person i suspect the most because i want them to talk back alot so i can see if i get anything out of them
Sometimes, you must learn to accept your fate, even if it is death. You can join the Force...
It's weird because in the span of like <6 hours, you went from pretty much inactive, to extremely active with you and BM arguing against each other, to you two being buddy-buddy in the final hour...
Doesn't that just sound weird? I'm not saying weird as in scummy or any kind of read, but I just find it weird xD.
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+ Show Spoiler +Hum.. wondering why the mafia killed Radfield's team, unless they did it because he was Radfield. Almost makes me think we don't have a medic because that's such an obvious person to protect =P. Going through his posts, let's see who he points fingers at / sides with: Radfield+ Show Spoiler +--by post number-- 163: calls out 6-9 for 'laying low'. 314: Team 6 - Caller for being inactive, L for creating confusion. (Reads Team 2 as town) 392: Direct analysis of one of DCLXVI's posts, says it screams mafia. Link. Mostly calling them out for inactivity, but also for poor posting. 395: Analysis of Divinek, points out that Divinek has mostly been riding the opinions/words of others. noncommital, etc. 397: Analysis of DCLXVI, says the same things essentially, calls their playing style mafia-like. 398: Analysis of MooCow, same result. Calls to lynch them/calls for thoughts on Team 9. 426: calls for more looking at Team 9. 447: Analysis of bumatlarge, says he has a few decent posts, but otherwise spams a lot. Doesn't get a huge scum vibe from him however. 459: Points out L and Caller's inactivity again. 506: Okay with either lynches (Team 2, or Team 9). Says he reads red on Team 9, but is okay with letting them live for another day. 618: Says some of Ace's posts are scummy, ie. his push for Team 2. Also thinks that L is scummy however (near the top of his suspect list). Summary: Radfield points the finger almost exclusively at Teams 6 and 9... Before his death, he still though L was scummy. The question is, how much of this is Radfield reading poorly, and how of it is accurate? We at least know his thoughts are sincere and pro-town. So keep this in mind I guess. Random Thought: After looking through his posts again, I realize that Radfield (and probably Korynne although I haven't gone through her posts) were decent posts -> good hit for mafia. Add that to the 'entertainment value' for this game, and it makes it the perfect hit?
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The word 'almost' is there for a reason. And a "summary" isn't supposed to include everything. Notice that I didn't emphasize anything about bumatlarge or any of the generally inactive teams in my summary. Radfield talked about them, too.
If I had wanted to downplay Radfield's read on Ace, I could've just as easily deleted that from my analysis. I kinda assume that people read my posts in full and therefore would be able to remember that fact. But if I call you scummy in one post and someone else scummy in five posts, which one should I focus on?
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On June 25 2010 13:52 bumatlarge wrote: I've got a strong feeling that either team 4 or L are mafia. It might not seem like team 4 has done much to warrant it, but I know first hand darth can act completely pro-town, especially in a game with no clues. I'm sure Ace has the ability to play right along side that style of play. Id think L only because hes been so negative in this thread and has acted generally underwhelmed by most everyone's play. But Im not too scared of the prospect of L being mafia. I'm afraid we will definitely lose if team 4 is mafia and not lynched today.
I'm going to put my vote on them, as it seems alot of people are in agreement with this line of thought. I'm willing to put the vote on first, as I think this will be a decent time for newer townies to risk themselves against more experienced players. I was fairly cautious as a mafia, but now that we don't have much of an alternative, I'm willing to stay true to the amateur townie habits I've developed.
It's a shame I haven't gotten to witness Darth as townie, so I could give him more leniency for his style, but this doesn't seem radically different from his previous game.
Thanks for the compliment...
But your logic doesn't really make sense. You think I'm pro-town, therefore I must be mafia. What would happen if I seemed like mafia to you? It's an impossible situation for me, which means there's a problem somewhere. Seriously, think about it. If I always seem pro-town, then it's not an aspect of my play you can call me scummy for. I don't think it's bad that the town thought I was pro-town last game, and I don't think it's bad if I come across as pro-town to you this game. That's supposed to say "OK, he's less of a suspect, who looks more suspicious?" If I actually have that good of a playing style (which I doubt), then you can't base my scumminess on that, because it's always the same - therefore, it doesn't indicate my role toward either alignment. And to lynch players because they are 'good' players and might be mafia is just silly, and encourages bad play. Furthermore, if you lynch all the good players, bad players will be left over, and the town will most likely lose because they are bad.
If you're going to base this on our last game, I could say the same about you. Your posts seem pretty much the same to me, and I've commented on what I think about them. But I don't call you scummy because of your playing style and I don't consider your previous game style too much. When I call some of your posts scummy, it's because most of your posts aren't that great -> spam -> bad for the thread -> ~scummy. But you've had decent posts too, which is why I didn't push harder for your lynch and think you could easily be town.
Anyway. Where do you get your "strong feeling" that either me/Ace or L is mafia? Show me proof. What doesn't match up? Just because I, or Ace, or L have the ability to appear pro-town while being mafia, does not make us mafia. "I'm afraid we will definitely lose if team 4 is mafia and not lynched today." People said that last game too about me being mafia mayor. Town still won. Granted we sorta gave up after the DT checks came in, but having a good player as mafia != autolose for town.
Who's in agreement with your line of thought? Maybe L, because he and Ace are still catfighting + because he was vague about who had "terrible posts" in the last couple pages. Maybe Durak even though his point about me in that last post isn't really valid. Maybe Divinek? All he's done is cry about me voting for him to get his team posting more, which ended up happening, more because of Radfield though I guess.
Your 'taking a risk' by voting for me isn't a risk at all either. Because you preface your vote with that paragraph, your voting first absolutely nothing about you, because it can be taken either way. "I'm willing to put the vote on first, as I think this will be a decent time for newer townies to risk themselves against more experienced players" This sentence is all fluff, for example.
Also, if I'm mafia, why am I posting in a dead thread when I could just let it be?
See you all in ~24 hours. I expect Ace to reinforce why your logic doesn't really hold if he needs to.
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Got in late, and I've got to sleep like now. Early stuff tomorrow. From what I've seen...
L, are you really doing this? If you're town, you're wasting all of our time. First of all, Ace's argument is pretty solid compared to yours. Actually, after the first 2-3 (recent) posts from both of you, you guys just kinda started the name-calling kind of stuff. Didn't I say this earlier this game? You two are so... funny lol =p. Earlier I tried to call a truce between you two because I thought you were town. But now, considering how hard you're pushing to lynch us, and on what I see as mostly lies regarding Ace's play, I'm starting to think that you're mafia. Ace has been saying this all along, but I gave you the benefit of the doubt so to speak.
Anyway, tapping out for the night. You'll see my thoughts in the vote thread.
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On June 26 2010 16:08 Nikon wrote: Yeah, I only defend myself, because all you people do is harp on me - my sister's wedding is coming up this Sunday and things are getting quite hectic around here to be honest. It's interesting to note however, that Laxercannon still hasn't posted jack shit, yet me and Zyrre are getting all the flak for being inactive. In fact, the only thing that Laxercannon posted after his "going to take a shower - state an obivous fact" combo was a poorly constructed attack on myself in response to my post - this I find very scummy.
Interesting post.
1. Cry about other people calling out his inactivity. 2. Give excuse for being inactive (as if that makes it better?) 3. Point the finger at someone else. 4. Cry more. 5. Continue pointing. 6. Top it off with "this I find very scummy".
Nikon, you have a grand total of 12 posts, in ... 4.5 days (?) real time. That's what, 108 hours? Average 1 post every 10ish hours, which would be acceptable if they were huge posts but... they aren't. ^_^.
Do you see why we're harping on you?
Note: not defending LaXerCannon. He's also been worthless.
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Everyone that posted on the last page - LaXer, Nikon, BB, DCLXVI - what exactly are you talking/arguing about, and what's your point?
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On June 27 2010 07:11 Nikon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2010 07:05 DarthThienAn wrote: Everyone that posted on the last page - LaXer, Nikon, BB, DCLXVI - what exactly are you talking/arguing about, and what's your point? I don't know, if Laxer bothered to provide a solid arguement, we might've had a point.
So your point is? That LaXer doesn't have a point? And you think he accused you of being mafia?
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On June 27 2010 08:49 DCLXVI wrote: I want to see L and ace argue for another day. I would love to see them both be mafia, but I doubt it. putting my vote on 7 for now for inactivity. Bad reason, but w/e.
To generate some discussion, what do we think of this?
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+ Show Spoiler +On June 27 2010 09:42 L wrote:Show nested quote +I interpret this as: It doesn't apply to a lot of players and should only, if ever, be used as a slight suspicion together with independent stronger suspicions. If you interpret that in that way, then it isn't a grounds for killing someone. Even if you don't think the idea is 100% foolproof (and none are, in this format), that doesn't mean someone is scum for suggesting it unless there's a scum motive behind it. BM's post had nothing of that nature in it, which looks pretty obvious in hindsight. ? Are you... saying the same thing Zyrre is saying? You're right, if you interpret it that way, it's not grounds for killing someone. When was someone killed on the grounds that they were the third voter on the bandwagon? BM's the one who tried to use it as an extra reason for lynching Team 7 (I believe) rather than his own team. And Ace was saying that it's not grounds for killing someone, because the idea isn't in the magical number 3, it's in mafia feeling safe voting as the Xth slot. Day 1, for instance, we have a MASSIVE train on T7. T7 talks up just enough to get back under the radar and survives, mostly due to another push against T2. T9 was the secondary target, but they don't get nailed. Both T7 and T9 look terrible after the voting falls into place as multiple swings make them likely beneficiaries of mafia seeded argumentation and vote swings.
If T7 and T9 were both town, the MOMENT night ended and radfield died, mafia members would have started their shit train up. 1 team would spark the move, the other could lay low and just take the heat off. Even if the aggressor team died for their move, they would have a non-suspicious backup in subsequent lynch or die days for town.
Was it "MASSIVE"? Really? It had about 1/3 of the votes at its peak, but that was it. The ending trains (T2, T9) had almost the same amount, though not quote. And it wasn't really a lynch train as much as a "post or if you don't THEN we'll lynch you for being bad" train. As least that's how I saw it - YellowInk (?) led the train and was just pressuring them to post more, which they did. The T9 train was... well, some people weren't here for it, ie. Chez-who-could-have-saved-himself, which is why it didn't go through and T2 got lynched instead. Without pushes toward either of those teams, mafia wouldn't have needed to start anything up. After night ended, we didn't have that many posts. The first major thing that happened was bumatlarge pointing the finger at me/Ace and/or you, saying that he has a "strong feeling that either team 4 or L are mafia". Well, that's a good guess, considering he picked 2/7 teams and so has what, ~60% chance of being right on probability alone? (my probability is weak, I did 2/7 + 2/7 if you want to check). And the basis for that argument was that he knows I can play pro-town while being mafia. Then there was more about "1 of Team 4 or L HAS to be mafia" and then the next major thing was you and Ace arguing with each other. So on the one hand, you have a couple major arguments to cover the mafia's inactivity + distract the town, and on the other, you have the fact that Teams 9 hasn't been pressured at all today, and Team 7 was only pressured just recently, and not even that much because of the lack of activity. That didn't happen at all. Instead we had a huge push (read Page 32 and onwards) to create a binary between Ace and I. Even Darth tries to play it up. Generally speaking, the two easiest teams to get killed were ignored by mafia; Why? Well, it follows that one or the other are mafia.
I still personally think Ace/Darth is the other mafia team, but I wouldn't be surprised if T7 or 9 was laying low and using the Ace/Me binary to get away with little posting.
For the record, I didn't try to play it up? Well I wasn't here while it was happening, but I made like, 1-2 posts about it, said that if you're town, you're wasting all of our times, but otherwise, you're scummy for, well, wasting all of our time when most of the argument is two guys bickering because they don't like each other. From my perspective anyway. In terms of posting habits, Day 2 has produced only 6 pages of discussion. Day 1 produced almost 4 times that. Many people are VERY satisfied with the direction that town is going and many people don't feel the need to post. That is pretty telling in and of itself.
To me, that says is that the mafia got rid of the two most active (well, spammy) teams, and the two mafia teams are still alive. I will agree with you though. Right now the mafia are happy that there's been very little posting today. I'm not sure whether it's Team 7 or Team 9 though, because on the one hand, you have that pointless argument between LaXer and Nikon last page (potentially a spam train), but on the other hand, you have the fact that Team 9 hasn't been pressured at all, hence the lack of a bigger spam train?
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+ Show Spoiler +On June 27 2010 09:49 BrownBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2010 09:38 DarthThienAn wrote:On June 27 2010 08:49 DCLXVI wrote: I want to see L and ace argue for another day. I would love to see them both be mafia, but I doubt it. putting my vote on 7 for now for inactivity. Bad reason, but w/e. To generate some discussion, what do we think of this? Either he's like me, and is just amused by the arguing/flaming at this point, or he actually hasn't formed an opinion yet...? At this point in the game, saying something is a bad reason "but w/e" is absolutely inexcusable. Also, team 7 has been mildly active recently (even if it's only defending themselves), so he's not only inexcusably using shitty logic while acknowledging it's shitty, he's also completely and utterly wrong. This seems to me just like a trash post to justify a fairly random vote, and to mask the fact that he hasn't read the thread and probably isn't going to. You don't think of it as a throwaway, 'slick' kind of vote where a mafia tries to pass it off as nothing? You're right. It is a trash post. It is a trash reason at this point. There's no point to killing based on inactivity. MAYBE on day 1 in a larger setup, but definitely not on day 2. I thought it was pretty obvious that I found the post scummy based on the fact that I asked for discussion about it =p. It were implied, BB. On June 27 2010 09:57 YellowInk wrote: L, I agree with your general arguments here, but they also apply in reverse with you being the mafia and Ace/DTA being the town. Since I don't see either of you as having a stronger position as outlined in my earlier posting, I'm after the inactives that have a good chance of being mafia. I agree that the idea that the mafia are comfortable with where things stand is disconcerting, but I don't see any way to make this vote go elsewhere with just over an hour left. I think DCLXVI's vote on Team 7 is trash, so if I were going to agree to any kind of train voting, it'd be on Team 9 for reasons similar to my alignment against Team 7.
Consider this a call out - if you're here, post. Just spam "I'm here" if you've got nothing else pressing to say.
Killing inactives ain't cool bro. Show me scumminess first. My current vote is half defensive, half L was scummy earlier. I'd almost rather kill Team 9 than Team 7. I'm not sure. What do you guys think? On June 27 2010 10:08 L wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2010 09:57 YellowInk wrote:On June 27 2010 09:42 L wrote:The reason why people aren't active is that they're happy with where the vote is falling, which means mafia's cool with me dying. As for this: On June 27 2010 02:49 Zyrre wrote:L's latest post is the only one from him I've read as somewhat convincing(as in, it looks like Ace's argument was the weaker one). Namely that Ace just copied the voting lists and took the third person on there when there had been switches before that person voted. Ace did write he would ignore that, but it did severely alter the results. Also some incorrect statements from L in there, for instance: You didn't attempt to build an argument around why the Jeep tell was wrong; Ace's post against it was this one: no its not. It's pretty bad theory and only pans in the most simple of newbie games. The "third" vote idea doesn't even make sense because BM doesn't understand what it meant. It had nothing to do with the 3rd player voting - it had everything to do with trying to catch where a scum would vote without drawing attention aka getting on the wagon but without being blamed for tipping it.
Being that scum will vote wherever they think will allow them to escape scrutiny that statement is nonsense. I interpret this as: It doesn't apply to a lot of players and should only, if ever, be used as a slight suspicion together with independent stronger suspicions. If you interpret that in that way, then it isn't a grounds for killing someone. Even if you don't think the idea is 100% foolproof (and none are, in this format), that doesn't mean someone is scum for suggesting it unless there's a scum motive behind it. BM's post had nothing of that nature in it, which looks pretty obvious in hindsight. I've always said the easiest way to figure out what mafia are doing is the following; Look at what mafia's objective is, and think about the different routes to get there. Day 1, for instance, we have a MASSIVE train on T7. T7 talks up just enough to get back under the radar and survives, mostly due to another push against T2. T9 was the secondary target, but they don't get nailed. Both T7 and T9 look terrible after the voting falls into place as multiple swings make them likely beneficiaries of mafia seeded argumentation and vote swings. If T7 and T9 were both town, the MOMENT night ended and radfield died, mafia members would have started their shit train up. 1 team would spark the move, the other could lay low and just take the heat off. Even if the aggressor team died for their move, they would have a non-suspicious backup in subsequent lynch or die days for town. That didn't happen at all. Instead we had a huge push (read Page 32 and onwards) to create a binary between Ace and I. Even Darth tries to play it up. Generally speaking, the two easiest teams to get killed were ignored by mafia; Why? Well, it follows that one or the other are mafia. I still personally think Ace/Darth is the other mafia team, but I wouldn't be surprised if T7 or 9 was laying low and using the Ace/Me binary to get away with little posting. In terms of posting habits, Day 2 has produced only 6 pages of discussion. Day 1 produced almost 4 times that. Many people are VERY satisfied with the direction that town is going and many people don't feel the need to post. That is pretty telling in and of itself. L, I agree with your general arguments here, but they also apply in reverse with you being the mafia and Ace/DTA being the town. Since I don't see either of you as having a stronger position as outlined in my earlier posting, I'm after the inactives that have a good chance of being mafia. I agree that the idea that the mafia are comfortable with where things stand is disconcerting, but I don't see any way to make this vote go elsewhere with just over an hour left. I think DCLXVI's vote on Team 7 is trash, so if I were going to agree to any kind of train voting, it'd be on Team 9 for reasons similar to my alignment against Team 7. Consider this a call out - if you're here, post. Just spam "I'm here" if you've got nothing else pressing to say. I kinda relooked at the votes and it seems that T9 WAS trying to shitball T7 asap after the day started, which would make sense if T7 is town and T9 is mafia as per the above analysis. The only problem I have is that there was very, very little in the way of thread pushing, just very light taps. I am, however, very surprised at the overall level of activity that we're getting from everyone, not just T7. If I could, I'd prefer hitting T9 today because of how it fits into the above pattern, but frankly we don't have enough time to move the train and an attempt to move it would kill me, which means we'd be in Lylo tomorrow and that would be bad. Isn't that the whole idea behind being a mafia? Don't draw too much attention to yourself, light taps, etc.? I think we can move the train. Team 7 train is like 3 votes, dude. The question is if we want to or not. On June 27 2010 10:10 L wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2010 09:49 BrownBear wrote:On June 27 2010 09:38 DarthThienAn wrote:On June 27 2010 08:49 DCLXVI wrote: I want to see L and ace argue for another day. I would love to see them both be mafia, but I doubt it. putting my vote on 7 for now for inactivity. Bad reason, but w/e. To generate some discussion, what do we think of this? Either he's like me, and is just amused by the arguing/flaming at this point, or he actually hasn't formed an opinion yet...? At this point in the game, saying something is a bad reason "but w/e" is absolutely inexcusable. Also, team 7 has been mildly active recently (even if it's only defending themselves), so he's not only inexcusably using shitty logic while acknowledging it's shitty, he's also completely and utterly wrong. This seems to me just like a trash post to justify a fairly random vote, and to mask the fact that he hasn't read the thread and probably isn't going to. Its probably not a trash or random vote. Its probably a way of taking an easier kill instead of drawing attention to mafia by pushing me and having me flip red. If T7 flips town, we're going to have a roller-coaster final 2 days. It's a trash vote. Meaning it's scummy =p.
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On June 27 2010 10:22 BrownBear wrote: Yass, agreed DTA :D I'm not sure it's scummy yet simply because it's way too obvious of a mistake for a mafia player to make... mostly be just holding DCLXVI to a higher standard of play than that. I wouldn't be that surprised if he were though.
nah it's not. Were you there last game (XXVI)? lol.
On June 27 2010 10:23 L wrote:Show nested quote +? Are you... saying the same thing Zyrre is saying? You're right, if you interpret it that way, it's not grounds for killing someone. When was someone killed on the grounds that they were the third voter on the bandwagon? BM's the one who tried to use it as an extra reason for lynching Team 7 (I believe) rather than his own team. And Ace was saying that it's not grounds for killing someone, because the idea isn't in the magical number 3, it's in mafia feeling safe voting as the Xth slot. I'm not saying being third is grounds for killing someone. I'm saying that suggesting a Jeep tell isn't grounds for being killed. Which is what happened. Because of your partner. Because he said this type of argumentation was obviously a huge scumtell. Clearly he was wrong. Was the largest train we've had this game, with 17 votes. At the time, the next strongest train was only 2/3rds as strong. That's a pretty large lead. Show nested quote +Without pushes toward either of those teams, mafia wouldn't have needed to start anything up. Explain this. In depth. Specifically: Why do you know that mafia had to start something up? Who says T7-9 weren't also town? Couldn't they just have cruised to an easy town lynch either way? I think you just outted yourself hard, but we can deal with that tomorrow. Yes you did. You started throwing shit at me on your first post during day 2. Go read it. Show nested quote +said that if you're town, you're wasting all of our times, but otherwise, you're scummy for, well, wasting all of our time when most of the argument is two guys bickering because they don't like each other. From my perspective anyway. So you said either I'm town and wasting time because you're obviously 100% legit or I'm mafia and wasting our time because you don't like the way the argument is going? Do you not notice how devoid of content those statements are?
uhh can't do quote by quote in the interest of time.
I agree. A Jeep tell is not grounds for lynch, nor is suggesting a Jeep tell. Ace likes to exaggerate - there were a lot of other things that he saw in BM that were scummy (and I kind of agree but at the same time, I don't think Ace gave enough credit to BM's half-decent posts). I'm pretty sure he didn't push to lynch BM for that sole reason -_-.
True, it was pretty big. I still see it as a pressure vote though.
Explaining in depth: assuming either of 7/9 are mafia, if neither of them is in the spotlight anymore, why do they need to do anything besides watch? There was very little discussion going on, Team 1 (main advocate for Team 9) was dead, and YI (main advocate for Team 7 imo) had backed off for the time. Actually, everyone had backed off - there were several comments that "Team 7 stepped it up, etc. etc."
So if they (mafia) aren't being pressured, they didn't need a new smokescreen to hide under.
And ? I was arguing along YOUR lines. YOU'RE the one who was saying that mafia would've started 'a shit train'. And YOU'RE the one that said, "let's assume one of 7/9 is mafia (theoretical/hypothetical), etc. etc."
My post for you here:
On June 26 2010 14:53 DarthThienAn wrote: Got in late, and I've got to sleep like now. Early stuff tomorrow. From what I've seen...
L, are you really doing this? If you're town, you're wasting all of our time. First of all, Ace's argument is pretty solid compared to yours. Actually, after the first 2-3 (recent) posts from both of you, you guys just kinda started the name-calling kind of stuff. Didn't I say this earlier this game? You two are so... funny lol =p. Earlier I tried to call a truce between you two because I thought you were town. But now, considering how hard you're pushing to lynch us, and on what I see as mostly lies regarding Ace's play, I'm starting to think that you're mafia. Ace has been saying this all along, but I gave you the benefit of the doubt so to speak.
Anyway, tapping out for the night. You'll see my thoughts in the vote thread.
My opinion was requested (by jspz), so I gave it. I said, "If you're town, you're wasting all of our time." Which you were. The only possible instance of me "throwing shit at you" is "But now, considering how hard you're pushing to lynch us, and on what I see as mostly lies regarding Ace's play, I'm starting to think that you're mafia. Ace has been saying this all along, but I gave you the benefit of the doubt so to speak."
From my perspective, Ace's play hasn't been that scummy. Obviously I'm biased but your arguments weren't that convincing -> why are you making a mess out of nothing -> nudge toward scumminess.
I haven't said ANYTHING about it since. I haven't pushed to get you lynched (except for my vote), I haven't called this this and that of yours "OH HE'S DEFINITELY SCUM". If you consider those two sentences as "throwing shit at you" then you need to redefine what you consider "throwing shit at you".
"So you said either I'm town and wasting time because you're obviously 100% legit or I'm mafia and wasting our time because you don't like the way the argument is going?
Do you not notice how devoid of content those statements are?"
This is from my perspective. I didn't like where the argument was going, because it was you and Ace arguing about what a Jeep tell was, and not even arguing about how it relates to this game. If you're going to call my posts devoid of content, look at your argument with Ace and tell me that's not devoid of (game-related) content.
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On June 27 2010 10:28 BrownBear wrote: And where the FUCK is everyone. Inactivity could kill this game.
Every reply to L takes a minimum of 10 minutes. No joke :p.
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On June 27 2010 10:31 DCLXVI wrote: wow I didn't realize throwing my vote on an inactive team to make sure I wouldn't get modkilled would look so scummy. I suppose I should have said that, but you guys seem to love last minute bandwagoning T9...
On June 27 2010 10:41 DCLXVI wrote: So I have to love how Darth innocuously drops the "what do you think of this" and then waits to see everyone's opinion before siding with the majority. Has team 7 even voted yet? are they going to get modkilled and we lose if we mislynch?(and they are not mafia)
My post was stupid because I didn't clarify and was in a rush, but now I have to vote for 6 or 7 to stay alive. I suppose it is partly my fault for the hasty post, but you guys do overreact quite a bit.
Hey look at my last, 4-5 posts, they're all longer than anything you've ever posted I'm pretty sure.
Read the original post. The scumminess of the post was implied by my bringing it up in the first place.
Nikon's voted. stormtemplar has been missing for days.
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On June 27 2010 10:51 YellowInk wrote: I note that at the ten minute mark neither DTA nor L have gone to voting on team 9. I'll just watch for these two and if they go to 9, I'm there as well. That's voting power 11 which should have it locked down unless we have mass mafia lurking. But that will give us huge amounts of information as well.
On June 27 2010 10:50 DarthThienAn wrote: ##unvote ##Team 9
o.o
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On June 27 2010 10:50 L wrote:Show nested quote +Explaining in depth: assuming either of 7/9 are mafia, if neither of them is in the spotlight anymore, why do they need to do anything besides watch? There was very little discussion going on, Team 1 (main advocate for Team 9) was dead, and YI (main advocate for Team 7 imo) had backed off for the time. Actually, everyone had backed off - there were several comments that "Team 7 stepped it up, etc. etc." The problem is that you can't just magically traipse in and say "assuming either of them are mafia they had to do nothing". If either team is mafia, there's quite a bit of importance regarding when it happens. You essentially replied under the guise that mafia had to do something, which they wouldn't unless one of the two pushed teams was mafia. Assuming that 7/9 aren't both mafia, it means that mafia's actions weren't even triggered by pushing 7/9, it was triggered by pushing one or the other of 7/9. Prior to that point, a mafia team would have been doing their best to discredit other posters, which is pretty much what Ace's been doing the entire game, hence why I'm pretty sure that your team is the aggressive mafia in a 4/7 or 4/9 team. I could be wrong, but that's how I see it atm. Sadly it seems impossible for you to get killed today so we'll have to settle for the second best option.
I think I misread your previous comment. I thought it was under the assumption that either one of 7/9 was mafia that the mafia would start pointing fingers, etc. I didn't realize you meant a train to get THEM lynched.
So dismiss most of what I said earlier if it doesn't make sense. >_>
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On June 27 2010 10:55 YellowInk wrote: DTA just shifted to team 9. If he shifts back to kill L, we'll hang him for it tomorrow (were L to flip town), obviously, since he used that to get my and L's vote to shift off of team 7. I see no reason for DTA to be insincere in this, it's lose lose for him.
I'm doing it for the lols. I'm going to switch back right now
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Also, I don't think flamewheel is around, judging by the lack of "voting ends in.." posts. Which means we'll... have to wait.
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On June 27 2010 11:01 L wrote:If you're fo-real, next game post less trash.
Hey L, sign up for my game, it'll be funny.
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BB, I think the newbie bearie should only be able to go to first timers =P. Unfortunately, none of them were too good. Divinek/Durak/stormtemplar were our noobies? I guess Divinek wins by default since he didn't get modkilled. Leave it un-given imo =p.
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gg all ^^
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