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Rawr. I arrive. Been busy. I’ll do this in my usual style, everything chronologically, replying to posts as I read them in order, skipping over things that I think are irrelevant, already answered, or not significant enough to reply to. Sorry if I repeat what other people say.
+ Show Spoiler +Page 1: nothing of significance, except a review of the setup. Day 1 Post – 10/10 flamewheel ^_^ On June 22 2010 11:59 johnnyspazz wrote: I voted for L because I think he will probably make the town lose eventually. Might as well get rid of him now. This post is absolutely retarded. I don’t believe in killing solely based on past games. Furthermore, the blatant aggressiveness and “I attracted too much attention to be mafia” doesn’t hold here, simple because I think 40-60% of the players here would actually go along with that, which means it could be a mafia plot to get rid of L/Caller early. Red flag for johnnyspazz. + Show Spoiler +On June 22 2010 12:35 L wrote:Show nested quote +1. Radfield and Korynne 2. Bill Murray and Chezinu 3. LaXerCannon and bumatlarge 4. Ace and DarthThienAn 5. Durak and YellowInk 6. L and Caller 7. Nikon, Zyrre, and meeple 8. Stormtemplar, johnnyspazz, and BrownBear 9. DCLXVI, MooCow and Divinek On a more serious note, teams 2, 3, 5 and 8 (until BB returns) have a high chance of inactivity or feigning inactivity. Out of these teams if we're going to pick the standard shoot someone on day 1 if they're quiet or are normally quiet route, we should probably shoot 2 or 8. 2. because retard super armor is really hard to break. 8. because spazz obviously mafia for trying to shoot me. That said, inactivity should be less of an issue with teams having 2 players per unit, so we might want to use another barometer to determine who we're going to shoot. We could go after lowest aggregate post quality or something similar. In terms of team balancing, most of the teams are roughly equivalent in terms of skill, with at least 1 decent to good player per team. Because of that I don't think we can make very many mafia team composition judgments just yet. The following are players I'm not 100% sure about, style and skillwise. 3. LaXerCannon, bumatlarge 5. Durak 7. Zyrre 8. Stormtemplar, BrownBear 9. DCLXVI, Divinek The rest I know pretty well from reading prior games and such. Since I've got work tomorrow and won't be able to devote 4 hours to readin' stuff, if anyone can write a short summary of these players (if you've played w/ them before) in terms of skill level + playstyle, that would be tits. Hmmm. If Team 2 is inactive, then I won’t buy it. From what I know of BM, he’s spammy. Him being inactive makes no sense to me. And from what I’ve seen of Chez, he’s hardly inactive, he’s just obscure with his posting (in a brilliant way of course). So if they are inactive, then they’ll have explaining to do. Team 5, I don’t know anything about Durak – is he new? – but YellowInk should not be inactive. Based on last game, he has a lot of time on his hands. So he has no excuse to be inactive. Team 8, with BB gone, I’ll agree to that. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a game where johnnyspazz has contributed all that much, and stormtemplar is new? For your barometer, post length is always key. Once we come down to it, it’ll just be post analysis. No/bad content = lynch. Disclaimer: no offense meant in the following interpretations of these people. LaXerCannon is relatively new, one game under his belt I think? He almost got modkilled day 1 because he didn’t show up, but from then on his activity level was… decent. A 5/10 maybe. I say decent, because the majority of the players in that game hardly posted, lol. bumatlarge was a pretty mafia for a new player (as far as I know). Had some good ideas, but he was pretty passive about them. I don’t expect to see much aggression from him, I think he’s someone who likes be sure about what he’s doing before he does it. In terms of activity, so-so? Similar to LaXer? Can’t say too well since he was also mafia, so his posting would have been affected. Zyrre: a pretty good player, analysis-wise. With a little more activity than last game, he could have been extremely dangerous to the mafia. He’ll probably start off slow, and then pick up the posting a day or two in. BrownBear: he was pretty active in 3 Kingdom’s. Maybe it’s cuz he had the night KP lol. A 7/10 I think. But in the last game, he went away for a couple days unannounced and didn’t really make up for it afterward, I don’t think. Really disappointing there. So in terms of activity I can’t say. He’s an alright player overall though. DCLXVI: uhhh. He was a DT last game, and didn’t post much. Not sure if he would have posted more if he was townie though. Relatively low activity as far as I know, although he had the sense to check bumatlarge last game. Others: dunno, new? On June 22 2010 14:16 Caller wrote: holy crap L is on my team what the hell
it's like someone surgically attached a girl from my university to me.
Not only am I unable to remove a festering parasite without killing myself, but it has decided to monopolize my life in the process. Uhh… do you guys go to the same school? + Show Spoiler +On June 22 2010 14:24 YellowInk wrote: Greetings everyone! At least this one didn't start on the holiday.
So day 1 lynch. We're in the random voting stage I guess. I don't know most of you guys yet - just what the rumor mill churns up. I'm not about to read 20 games to try to get backstory. I have read a couple though just to get my feet wet.
First, just a note about activity. It's probably fair to expect every individual player to have some threshold of posting else the team should be put under scrutiny for inactivity. If we see particular players going inactive, we should not allow it and hold the team accountable. If one player is quiet and the other player just kind of scrapes by, it's an easy way for mafia to try to duck under the radar or otherwise not provide much info for us to get reads on.
And now for some ideas on where to throw our day 1 lynch:
Seems a bad idea to lynch Radfield since he gets killed night 1 or lynched day 2 (since obv mafia). Though I wouldn't autolynch Radfield on day 2 either because I think Radfield makes an excellent medic target. Lets let the mafia play the guessing game with this one as to whether we have a medic and whether that medic will choose to protect this target.
Since Chezinu seems to love the PM game, he may be easier to read when forced to play an entirely in thread game. So I'd be leaning against lynching him.
I could be swayed to lynch LaXer since as a townie he did hurt the town pretty badly by roleclaiming as a bodyguard. Not much of a reason, but it's the best I've got on a clean slate board. If he's town he can't PM anyone anyhow and Bum would be able to help ensure that if they are medic or DT that they use it effectively. I guess this will be ok.
I know Ace always gets the detective role. Unless I missed it somewhere, roles are not necessarily random (please correct this point if it was stated they would be random somewhere). They may have been assigned 'for entertainment value'. Not something I'd put too much stock into, but I know I'd find it amusing if Ace were DT after posting in my (first) game that he hates DT. So I'm inclined to not pick him for day 1 either.
I'd be against lynching L because the one game I read with him in it where he was a godfather calling for people to roleclaim I thought it was super obvious that he was mafia. Not to say that he's always super obvious about being mafia, but I definitely would rather be trying to read someone that I thought couldn't hide it as well than someone random.
We probably shouldn't lynch teams 7. 8, or 9 on day 1 (unless they are inactive) since we can hold them to a higher threshold of activity. With three players on each team, we should expect them to produce more posts. Since these three teams will be forced to produce more posts, it'll be easier to get mafia reads on them.
I'd like to target a team with an inactive player (surely no entire team will be inactive, right?). If we have every player active, then I guess LaXer would be my vote, but I don't think this will happen. We need to ensure that we don't let a mafia team skate by with an inactive player keeping their team's post count down.
So lets start hearing what people have to say! My stance on the Day 1 Lynch – I’m going to stick with “lynch an inactive” for now, but I don’t expect it to come into use. I expect all of the teams to have at least one player who’s posted at least 2-3 times, so I’ll actually be voting (most likely) based on post analysis today. Lol, Radfield lived in his last game to the end – the day 1 curse has been lifted off of him for now, I think. No PMs in this game. Except for Mafia of course. I can’t see the DT/Medic be allowed PMing abilities to anyone. Again, why are we all trying to lynch based on previous games? It’s true that LaXer’s move last game wasn’t the best, but that gives no indication toward his play/role this game. Lynch based on this game, not others. You’re as bad as johnnyspazz to me right now. Another “read” based on past games. I don’t know if the roles were random, but just because Ace is usually detective, doesn’t mean he’s a detective now. Personally, I am going to be looking at activity on a team-basis. No reason to lynch a team if they have 1 players who’s dominating the thread with his posting. But again, I’m hoping that inactivity isn’t even a problem in this game. @Chezinu: to be honest, those posts are the kind of posts that make me want to lynch someone. To me, they say nothing. And since you took advantage of your style last game to hide as a mafia, I’m not going to let you slip by this game. So I expect to see some good posts from you =p. All this talk about inactivity levels is silly. Everyone post, and we won’t have to worry about it. Welcome, Durak =] now, post more. + Show Spoiler +On June 23 2010 01:22 bumatlarge wrote:Im offended by your statement! We should really get this show on the road as to who are candidates for lynching. I dont feel comfortable just resting my vote on someone who Im not even 50/50 on. But we cant just let ourselves get swayed so we should start deciding soon. Im not sure whether having alot of different people under two red roles is good or bad, as they can spread enough while still stacking a bit with not mch consequence, but then again, we can take the direction a team is going and question them. I'd think teammates would be fine disagreing on points and not hinder the town in certain places, but we should be wary of a DT team trying to play off a rolecheck without getting mafia suspicion. If we even have one So this doesn't happen I'd suggest a DT team to gather two rolechecks and publicly post the info on the third day, or as soon as they find red. The medic would protect the proclaimed DT baring a roleblocker for as long as possible. I dont think mafia can chance publicly faking DT with only 2 reds in the game, so trading a DT for 1 red would help alot. I think checking a town would be relatively useless as PMs are banned, so try to check legitimately suspicious teams. Id think this game will be very down to the wire if there are no blues and a half decent mafia squad. Otherwise we have have a really good chance with proper analysis. Hmm.. I’m not sure what he just said, but yes, DTs go for actually suspicious people. No town circles in this game. + Show Spoiler +On June 23 2010 02:06 YellowInk wrote: If you get a read on one player as mafia and their teammate as town, do you accuse them? Would you hang them for it? My answer to this question would be 'yes'. Remember that if we all appear to be town, the mafia wins most games, so the generic strategy for mafia is to appear to be town - preferably without helping them too much. If you get a read on someone as mafia you need to put it to good use.
Now extrapolate to a semi or even fully active team member and an inactive teammate. We have an inactive 'read' on one player and a whatever (lets assume town for sake of argument) read on the active player. Is this someone to consider hanging? I again say 'yes'. Of course we go after the red as a priority, so like in any other game, targeting an inactive is something you do when you don't feel sufficiently confident about a read on anyone else.
Now if the one person is posting so much that the activity basically makes up for the other player being inactive, I'd give them consideration for a pass on this. The point is that we need every player to be active so that we have as many different reads on as many different teams as possible allowing us to root out the red. Allowing one player to be inactive (or even just semi-inactive / laying low) could allow their potentially skilled mafia teammate to be more elaborate in their lies or deception without worry of cross team tripups. This is why I think a hard stance against inactivity is appropriate even here in this team game. I’ll agree to this. Priority for lynch list: team read red, one read red, inactive. Any red reads on one player >> green reads on their teammate unless for some reason we know it’s POSITIVE that they are green. This is a priority list, ofc. On June 23 2010 02:13 Bill Murray wrote:since i view you as red, we should lynch your entire team? if I feel like you are posting like you did when you were a yellow turban, i shouldn't sit idly while you try to ruin my game? such wise words from someone who is likely to be scum. perhaps you are doing the exact thing you're saying scum will do: Show nested quote +so the generic strategy for mafia is to appear to be town - preferably without helping them too much. ? I am going to assume we are out of the RVS, and use this hypocrisy as the basis for my voting you. You are doing exactly what you'd advocate red to do - appearing town without helping all that much. Instead of discussing what someone would do... why are you even thinking of that, by the way?... you should be scumhunting but are not. Even L's obvious OMGUS is a lot less suspicious to me than this. BM, what? Why are you referring to Yellow Turbans? YellowInk wasn’t in that game. I don’t even understand your post o.O. On June 23 2010 02:20 Divinek wrote: well hopefully if im to up my activity ill spam so much ill confuse myself
nothing like colour coding dah posts too
omg the spoilers Divinek (and all newbies), this is an example of a useless post. Don’t do it.On June 23 2010 02:21 Korynne wrote: BM and Chez... you can PM each other. >.> So like, stop spamming up the thread... *goes to look up the morse code stuff* Lol. It’s morse code? Meh, still not going to bother translating it. On June 23 2010 02:26 Divinek wrote: Also i tend to really agree with bm's line of reasoning here.
'hey guys this is what we should do to catch dem red fellars.. right?' seems quite suspicious enough to cast my random vote Hmm. His reasoning that YellowInk is red based on his attempt to seem green doesn’t fly with me. Personally, I think that BM’s just trying to get a reaction. On June 23 2010 02:28 bumatlarge wrote: God damn phone. The anal spamming doesnt help us :/ Another example of a useless post. On June 23 2010 03:14 Bill Murray wrote: Newer players, notice how YellowInk has no logical argument towards me so he has to use colors with his posts to back up his weakness? Did YellowInk accuse you at some point? Did I miss that? O_O. @DT strategy: I think a good time for the DT to come out is Day 3 (Day 2 if mafia found first night). 2 solid town reads = plenty, and it keeps the mafia in the dark for a little longer regarding blue roles. + Show Spoiler +On June 23 2010 03:20 Bill Murray wrote: Your play in this and xxvii or whichever one it was in have been differing. I do not take it as being evolution of your meta-game either. The way I am taking it is that you have a power role. Being fairly unfamiliar with your play, I am going to take my vote off of you for now, as you did seem to take the spotlight in the other game you were in (I had you confused with another player, Trezeguet23). I do note some differences in your play, though, as in the other game you seem to be a lot more joking while taking the spotlight.
On June 23 2010 03:24 Bill Murray wrote: Wow. Lynch this guy. First, the mafia won't know shit if they have a roleblocker They can have a roleblocker while we have 7 townies, they don't know anything WE can also not be sure to have a detective at all I was about to take my vote off of you, but the way you are acting, it is staying there for the rest of the game.
Also, advising DT not to go to lategame is ill informed in my opinion as well. Every DT messup i've ever really seen has occurred by the DT revealing too early
I also dislike the negative near-omgus you are directing towards bumatlarge. While his play may be scummy scummy play doesn't always = scum. I am not saying carry him into a lynch or lose scenario, but that he is not acting nearly as scummy as other people, namely you.
Durr.. what o_o. Hey, what’s an omgus? You’ve referred to it twice now.. I didn’t really read YellowInk’s thoughts on DT strategy, because it was a in a fairly dense paragraph and my brain got tired =]. So I just decided to put up my own thoughts. I agree with a later DT reveal, like I said before, though. On June 23 2010 03:24 Korynne wrote: BM, how is talking in morse code helpful in the thread? Anyone can put it into a morse code translator.
If you wish to speak in code in hopes that somehow magically other townies but not mafia will be able to decipher it, be my guest. But I find the whole addition of morse code or binary or any other simple translatable using google form of cryptic communication useless and disruptive to people when they want to analyze the thread. How to decipher? Decipher for me please. On June 23 2010 03:25 Bill Murray wrote:+ Show Spoiler +[Setup 2] -
1 Mafia Goon 1 Mafia Roleblocker 7 Townies Why’d you just quote that? On June 23 2010 03:26 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 03:24 Korynne wrote: BM, how is talking in morse code helpful in the thread? Anyone can put it into a morse code translator.
If you wish to speak in code in hopes that somehow magically other townies but not mafia will be able to decipher it, be my guest. But I find the whole addition of morse code or binary or any other simple translatable using google form of cryptic communication useless and disruptive to people when they want to analyze the thread. you mean to say that it is unfair to you because you and your scumbuddy team #5 are the only ones who are capable of using IRC to coordinate with other teams? lol… someone needs to chill out? And stop wasting my time with his spammy posts? On June 23 2010 03:28 YellowInk wrote: Wow this forum is annoying to use when the post speed goes up. Why don't we get a warning or something that more people have posted since you started typing? More posting to follow. Learn to F5 and use tabs, n00b. On June 23 2010 03:53 Korynne wrote:OMGUS Ah, Korynne, you’re an angel, you are. On June 23 2010 03:59 Chezinu wrote: The OTHER HALF DISAGREES!!! DT should role check a mafia tonight and yell and scream mafia all night long so that in the morning we can lynch the mafia. Then when day comes you should yell and scream and taunt mafia not to kill you out of spite. Then rolecheck the next mafia while pming the vigi to kill the last mafia. then lol all night long and say gg and exclaim that the person you rolechecked is mafia all the while quoting random quotes in the thread produced by mafia saying that is what gave them away and calling yourself a mad detective. But then again, achieving near impossible odds although is fun and rewarding could be too risky for the cowardly. So as bumatlarge pointed out, if you are mafia or DT YOU MUST NOT FEAR DEATH! That is the way of the townie and the way to disguise as a townie... not that I'm doing that right now... hehe Chez, there’s no vigi =[. But yes, a DT with a red read should yell and scream all they want come morning. Radfield, there’s also a 50% chance that the DT kills any roleblocker (if there is one) ^_^. If he dies the next night, we know which set up we’re in, and then it’s… 4 town vs 1 mafia (teams)? Decent odds there, though not a for sure win. Durak, don’t edit your posts. On June 23 2010 05:38 Korynne wrote:Wow Chez, that is possibly the worst analysis I have ever seen... I'll post my comments in green so it's easier to see. + Show Spoiler +On June 23 2010 05:24 Chezinu wrote:I guess I should post what I know: Radynee/Koryfield anaylsis: Awww, I like the name change, it's cute. xP Shouldn't it be Radynne and Korfield or something though? xD+ Show Spoiler +On June 22 2010 07:09 Radfield wrote: Get your game on mafia. Inactivity will not be tolerated. Giggidy Giggidy. On June 22 2010 07:28 Korynne wrote: Yay so excited. <3
So yeah, time to get stuff rolling. First day's lynch is pretty randoms, so I will vote for inactives. Gogogo!
In terms of strategy, I don't think there's much for us to do other than just talk a lot. xD DT should probably let town know once they find 2 townies or 1 mafia. Medic should not claim anytime soon. Giggdy and excited about their roles... Well I don't know why Radfield is excited, but I created this game so I'm personally very excited to see how it goes.On June 22 2010 08:38 Korynne wrote: Yeah, the whole point is that mafia can narrow it down to 2 setups, and blue roles can narrow it down to 2 setups. On June 22 2010 09:26 Korynne wrote: I picked the classic f11 setup because I figured it would be hard to get twice as many people than we usually do.. On June 22 2010 10:50 Korynne wrote: Did you want to play Incog? Maybe ask flamewheel if he'll stick you into a random team. xP or is Kory excited about the f11 setup? I prefer smaller games in general, it makes it easier for me to get a read on everyone. This is like, a big small game because there's 9 teams but like 20 people... so like, I'm excited, basically. xP On June 22 2010 22:32 Korynne wrote: It appears that Chezinu has voted for me and Radfield, without the requisite "aka abstaining for now.. because no one else would dare vote for him, right?"
We note that he is mafia that game he voted for Radfield, however this time he just said a bunch of di-dah-di-dits instead of the previous statement.
For the sake of generating some content on day 1, care to clarify this Chezinu? xD Kory underestimates how random my behavior can be though some aspects remain the same... I don't believe I understand you very well yet Chezinu, that I agree with. xDOn June 23 2010 00:34 Korynne wrote: Hmmm... I am trying to decide if Chill would be offended by that statement...
He's really more like Light than L most of the time. Did you decide yet? No, I don't think I know Chill or L enough to make a statement. I will consult more veteran members of the community to find an answer.On June 23 2010 02:21 Korynne wrote: BM and Chez... you can PM each other. >.> So like, stop spamming up the thread... *goes to look up the morse code stuff* What is the fun in that? I don't suppose this is something I can argue against... though it does make quite a few of us feel less fun because we have to click spoilers and find morse code translators on google.On June 23 2010 02:35 Korynne wrote:YellowInk, I believe BM is referring to a game Caller ran, called the Three Kingdoms Mafia where there was Yellow Turban as a 4th party. I believe he must be mistaking you for someone else because your name is not on the player list. How many games have you researched in the past? That way I can consider killing you or not if I'm mafia. If you know too much... I have read very little of games prior to my existence on the mafia forum. But pretty much followed every game since (though I don't follow the games I don't play in as much). I've also read/watched RoTK so I know what Yellow Turbans are... On June 23 2010 03:48 Korynne wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 03:26 Bill Murray wrote:On June 23 2010 03:24 Korynne wrote: BM, how is talking in morse code helpful in the thread? Anyone can put it into a morse code translator.
If you wish to speak in code in hopes that somehow magically other townies but not mafia will be able to decipher it, be my guest. But I find the whole addition of morse code or binary or any other simple translatable using google form of cryptic communication useless and disruptive to people when they want to analyze the thread. you mean to say that it is unfair to you because you and your scumbuddy team #5 are the only ones who are capable of using IRC to coordinate with other teams? Uh, how does this post make any sense? a) If I was mafia, like YellowInk pointed out, I would have twice as many people on my team, making analysis much faster. b) If you're trying to say that as mafia I am crying unfair because mafia is supposed to be the only ones able to communicate to other teams then first of all, you still can't use IRC to coordinate with other teams, and second of all, I don't see how talking in code allows you to coordinate with other teams. Even if you set up an elaborate system with someone ahead of time, how are you sure they are not mafia? Like, it's good that you're putting pressure on YellowInk (I haven't decided if he's scummy yet, he doesn't quite have the green glow from the game he was pardoner but I don't know if that's because he's blue, red, or just being less aggressive because he doesn't have clues) but making stupid accusations is like...wut? (read: being Bill Murray?) Interesting, posts have to make sense... I guess that's not a very good assumption I made there...On June 23 2010 03:53 Korynne wrote:OMGUS Why didn't you vote for me then? That was in response to YellowInk asking what OMGUS meant.On June 23 2010 04:24 Radfield wrote:Oh Chez.... Anyways, I agree, despite our lack of a vig, that the dt should claim once he pegs a mafia. There's no millers, so it's a for sure thing. Trading our DT for half of the mafia is a good trade, assuming we are decent players and can do some decent post analysis. The downside of this, is that once the mafia find out there is a DT, they will KNOW if there is a medic or not, and if there IS a medic, they will have a roleblocker, and roleblock the dt for the rest of the game(setup 1). So a dt claiming is either certain death, or certain roleblocking, unless we get lucky and it's the roleblocker who gets lynched(50-50 shot). So a dt who claims has a 50% chance of dying the next night(setup 3) and a 25% chance of getting roleblocked for the rest of the game (setup 1, with roleblocker alive) and a 25% chance of having medic protection for the rest of the game (setup 1, with roleblocker dead) Again, I think it's worth it for the dt to claim once he finds a red(or 2 greens as korynne stated) As for PMing your partners, I have assumed that this is allowed. We need a mod ruling on this ASAP however. I assumed this because Korynne designed the set-up, and I assumed she knew the rules For me the whole fun of this setup is that you get to make decisions as a team, and get to bounce your ideas off of each other about who you think is scummy, or who you think might be blue, etc. This guy actually reads my posts. He is cool. Radfield's pretty cool, that's why I asked him to join my team. =DOn June 23 2010 04:29 Korynne wrote: Gee Radfield, read the rules, it makes me look bad if you keep making mistakes like that. D= However, he didn't read the rules.. I do not speak for Sir Radfield, but it disappoints me to see that he has not read the rules, and I have expressed this in a previous post.Conclusion: Either Mafia or DT Wait...what? How does that end up as mafia or DT? Would someone smarter than me enlighten me on how this makes us mafia or dt? >_> Hmmm. I think it’s because you guys were excited about your roles (though, I don’t give much credit to this) and show some competence. I don’t see how else Chez got that conclusion. On June 23 2010 05:39 YellowInk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 05:27 Chezinu wrote:On June 23 2010 05:26 Ace wrote:On June 23 2010 05:24 Chezinu wrote:I guess I should post what I know: Radynee/Koryfield anaylsis: + Show Spoiler +On June 22 2010 07:09 Radfield wrote: Get your game on mafia. Inactivity will not be tolerated. Giggidy Giggidy. On June 22 2010 07:28 Korynne wrote: Yay so excited. <3
So yeah, time to get stuff rolling. First day's lynch is pretty randoms, so I will vote for inactives. Gogogo!
In terms of strategy, I don't think there's much for us to do other than just talk a lot. xD DT should probably let town know once they find 2 townies or 1 mafia. Medic should not claim anytime soon. Giggdy and excited about their roles... On June 22 2010 08:38 Korynne wrote: Yeah, the whole point is that mafia can narrow it down to 2 setups, and blue roles can narrow it down to 2 setups. On June 22 2010 09:26 Korynne wrote: I picked the classic f11 setup because I figured it would be hard to get twice as many people than we usually do.. On June 22 2010 10:50 Korynne wrote: Did you want to play Incog? Maybe ask flamewheel if he'll stick you into a random team. xP or is Kory excited about the f11 setup? On June 22 2010 22:32 Korynne wrote: It appears that Chezinu has voted for me and Radfield, without the requisite "aka abstaining for now.. because no one else would dare vote for him, right?"
We note that he is mafia that game he voted for Radfield, however this time he just said a bunch of di-dah-di-dits instead of the previous statement.
For the sake of generating some content on day 1, care to clarify this Chezinu? xD Kory underestimates how random my behavior can be though some aspects remain the same... On June 23 2010 00:34 Korynne wrote: Hmmm... I am trying to decide if Chill would be offended by that statement...
He's really more like Light than L most of the time. Did you decide yet? On June 23 2010 02:21 Korynne wrote: BM and Chez... you can PM each other. >.> So like, stop spamming up the thread... *goes to look up the morse code stuff* What is the fun in that? On June 23 2010 02:35 Korynne wrote:YellowInk, I believe BM is referring to a game Caller ran, called the Three Kingdoms Mafia where there was Yellow Turban as a 4th party. I believe he must be mistaking you for someone else because your name is not on the player list. How many games have you researched in the past? That way I can consider killing you or not if I'm mafia. If you know too much... On June 23 2010 03:48 Korynne wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 03:26 Bill Murray wrote:On June 23 2010 03:24 Korynne wrote: BM, how is talking in morse code helpful in the thread? Anyone can put it into a morse code translator.
If you wish to speak in code in hopes that somehow magically other townies but not mafia will be able to decipher it, be my guest. But I find the whole addition of morse code or binary or any other simple translatable using google form of cryptic communication useless and disruptive to people when they want to analyze the thread. you mean to say that it is unfair to you because you and your scumbuddy team #5 are the only ones who are capable of using IRC to coordinate with other teams? Uh, how does this post make any sense? a) If I was mafia, like YellowInk pointed out, I would have twice as many people on my team, making analysis much faster. b) If you're trying to say that as mafia I am crying unfair because mafia is supposed to be the only ones able to communicate to other teams then first of all, you still can't use IRC to coordinate with other teams, and second of all, I don't see how talking in code allows you to coordinate with other teams. Even if you set up an elaborate system with someone ahead of time, how are you sure they are not mafia? Like, it's good that you're putting pressure on YellowInk (I haven't decided if he's scummy yet, he doesn't quite have the green glow from the game he was pardoner but I don't know if that's because he's blue, red, or just being less aggressive because he doesn't have clues) but making stupid accusations is like...wut? (read: being Bill Murray?) Interesting, posts have to make sense... On June 23 2010 03:53 Korynne wrote:OMGUS Why didn't you vote for me then? On June 23 2010 04:24 Radfield wrote:Oh Chez.... Anyways, I agree, despite our lack of a vig, that the dt should claim once he pegs a mafia. There's no millers, so it's a for sure thing. Trading our DT for half of the mafia is a good trade, assuming we are decent players and can do some decent post analysis. The downside of this, is that once the mafia find out there is a DT, they will KNOW if there is a medic or not, and if there IS a medic, they will have a roleblocker, and roleblock the dt for the rest of the game(setup 1). So a dt claiming is either certain death, or certain roleblocking, unless we get lucky and it's the roleblocker who gets lynched(50-50 shot). So a dt who claims has a 50% chance of dying the next night(setup 3) and a 25% chance of getting roleblocked for the rest of the game (setup 1, with roleblocker alive) and a 25% chance of having medic protection for the rest of the game (setup 1, with roleblocker dead) Again, I think it's worth it for the dt to claim once he finds a red(or 2 greens as korynne stated) As for PMing your partners, I have assumed that this is allowed. We need a mod ruling on this ASAP however. I assumed this because Korynne designed the set-up, and I assumed she knew the rules For me the whole fun of this setup is that you get to make decisions as a team, and get to bounce your ideas off of each other about who you think is scummy, or who you think might be blue, etc. This guy actually reads my posts. He is cool. On June 23 2010 04:29 Korynne wrote: Gee Radfield, read the rules, it makes me look bad if you keep making mistakes like that. D= However, he didn't read the rules.. Conclusion: Either Mafia or DT How so. Please give us an actual logical breakdown of how you arrived at this conclusion. Every game you and your ally post nonsense and get away with it because everyone thinks you are useless, ignoring the fact you may be scum. and the fact that I could be a blue role Are you saying posting nonsense is an effective way to play a blue role? How about green? If so, I am sorely disappointed. I don't think it makes you scum - I know you've been in enough games to have your own opinions about such. However it does may make you a useless town aligned role if you're NOT scum. Fortunately BM is posting a great deal of content. Unfortunately it is mostly wharrgarbl as well. If you're blue and playing this way, well that really sucks. At any rate, I'm still undecided on the BM/Chez team. They do make me laugh, but that's probably because it's the first game I've played with them. On June 23 2010 05:39 YellowInk wrote: Are you saying posting nonsense is an effective way to play a blue role? How about green?
If so, I am sorely disappointed. I don't think it makes you scum - I know you've been in enough games to have your own opinions about such. However it does may make you a useless town aligned role if you're NOT scum. Fortunately BM is posting a great deal of content. Unfortunately it is mostly wharrgarbl as well. If you're blue and playing this way, well that really sucks.
At any rate, I'm still undecided on the BM/Chez team. They do make me laugh, but that's probably because it's the first game I've played with them. Huh? BM posted content? All I remember is him fishing a little bit about you. On June 23 2010 05:43 LaXerCannon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 05:22 Ace wrote:On June 23 2010 04:56 Korynne wrote: So there seems to be a bandwagon starting on YellowInk. I don't like it very much... Mainly because I believe that YellowInk is relatively easy to read, so I don't think we'll have a lot of trouble dealing with him in the later days as we would some other people *cough*L*cough*Chezinu*cough*. So I would definitely favour lynching a group of inactives or someone hard to read over lynching YellowInk.
Those are my two cents on the matter. I don't even mind seeing bandwagons this early since if YellowInk gets lynched and flips town the DT know exactly where to look. However I do have a problem with bandwagons formed off of stupid logic. Looking at Bill's arguments against YI they are pretty terrible. Saying that since we are out of the RVS (blatantly false), him voting for bumatlarge makes no sense. Doesn't help that him and Chezinu are typing in morse code in the thread when there isn't anything to breadcrumb on Day 1 of this setup. To kick things off I'm voting for them. I want everyone's opinion on this: - Are we voting on the most useless people? Imo we should because inactivity should not be a problem. With the 2 worst players on the same team I view it as getting rid of distractions early. I believe we shouldn't vote off useless people unless it's to the point that it hinders the town's progress. That being said, they're next to go if we can't get any good behavioral analysis. To the possible Medic/DT: My advice is to stay unpredictable. Don't do too much analysis to the point where you're a threat and don't lay too low that you get killed. For the possible DT: I think checking the teams of three would be a good start as one of them flipping red would mean the rest of the team flipping red (unless I've misinterpreted the rules) Eh? Aside from the first, obvious piece of advice, what is your logic on that? If anything, check a team of two, as three people should be easier to read than two (generally). On June 23 2010 06:14 MooCow wrote: I haven't had a chance to analyse any of the posters so far but I see that YI thinks bumatlarge is mafia and BM is accusing YI of being mafia.
I agree with others that BM/Chez posts a lot of random and a weak argument for lynching YI but the band wagon seems to be either lynch YI or BM.
If either or flips green we check the other party if they turn red we can trust that they are pro town.
@Jspazz can you post what you translated that made you believe that BM/chez is blue? You are too pro at stating/summarizing the obvious. On June 23 2010 06:20 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 06:18 YellowInk wrote: So I was trying to put together a list of how many posts people made and I'm having trouble with the search function. For instance I do a search on LaXerCannon and it shows the last post he made in this thread as #38. I don't remember having a problem with this before. Anyone have any ideas?
At any rate, I want to start fingering people who havn't been talking. I agree with this action. You are seeming more and more town to me. BM never told me that he thought you were mafia, btw. I think he was just accusing to get reactions, unless I'm wrong. BM please PM me, thanks. Yea, I think BM was just fishing… I hope he was, cuz if he wasn’t then he’s either really bad, really unnecessary, or really red. On June 23 2010 06:38 johnnyspazz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 01:25 Bill Murray wrote:chez: + Show Spoiler +-.-. .... . --.. .. -. ..- --..-- / .-- .... --- / .- .-. . / .-- . / --. --- .. -. --. / - --- / .--. .-. --- - . -.-. - ..--.. Chezinu, who are we going to protect? Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 01:39 Chezinu wrote:Bill: + Show Spoiler +.. / .... . .- .-. -.. / - .... .- - / - .... . / .--. . .-. ... --- -. / .-- .... --- / .--. --- ... - . -.. / .- ..-. - . .-. / -- -.-- / .-.. .- ... - / .--. --- ... - / .-- .- ... / -- .- ..-. .. .- .-.-.- / .. / - .... .. -. -.- / .. .----. -- / --. --- .. -. --. / - --- / .--. .-. --- - . -.-. - / .- / - --- .-- -. .. . .-.-.- / .. / .- .-.. ... --- / -... . .-.. .. . ...- . / - .... .- - / .-- . / -- .- -.-- / .... .- ...- . / .- / -.. - .-.-.- I heard that the person who posted after my last post was mafia. i think i'm going to protect a townie. i also believe that we may have a dt. Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 01:49 Bill Murray wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Di-dit, Di-dah-dah Dah-dah-dah Di-di-dah Di-dah-di-dit Dah-di-dit, Di-di-dit Di-dah Dah-di-dah-dah, Di-dah-dah-dit Di-dah-dit Dah-dah-dah Dah Dit Dah-di-dah-dit Dah, Di-dah Dah-di-dah-dit Dit, Di-dah-di-dah-di-dah Di-dah-di-dah-di-dah Di-dah-di-dah-di-dah Di-dah-di-dah-di-dah , Dah-di-dah Dah-dah-dah Di-dah-dit Dah-di-dah-dah Dah-dit Dah-dit Dit, Di-dit Di-di-dit, Di-dah-di-dit Di-dit Dah-di-dah Dit Di-dah-di-dit Dah-di-dah-dah, Di-di-dit Dah-di-dah-dit Di-di-dah Dah-dah, Dah-dah Di-dah Di-dah-dah-dah Dah-dah-dah Di-dah-dit, Di-di-dah-dit Di-dah-di-dah-di-dah Dah-dah-dah Di-dah-di-dah-di-dah Di-di-dit Di-dah-di-dah-di-dah I , would , say , protect , ace , .... , korynne , is , likely , scum , major , f.o.s. Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 01:57 Bill Murray wrote:+ Show Spoiler +--. . - / --- -. / .. .-.-.- .-. .-.-.- -.-. .-.-.- / ... --- / .-- . / -.-. .- -. / -.. .. ... -.-. ..- ... ... / .-- .... --- / .-- . / ... .... --- ..- .-.. -.. / .--. .-. --- - . -.-. - Get on i.r.c. so we can discuss who we should protect oh man i feel like a detective! Thanks for that. Unfortunately, I’m not sure what to make of it since it’d be retarded to post that in thread. On June 23 2010 06:57 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 06:49 YellowInk wrote:On June 23 2010 06:43 Divinek wrote: hm well the chez/bill team seems to be the most active team overall so far so maybe that's an indication of a role outside dah greeeeeeeeeen, especially all of the emotionally fueled responses and random picking aparts of other people. Unless that's some weird townee level which would be stupid Define active? You think this posting in code in thread is helpful to the town? They could just be PMing to each other. Clearly they intend for it to be read, they're just making it difficult for every town team to pick it apart. It muddies the waters. I'm not saying it makes them scum, but I surely don't count this sort of posting as making them active. BM coming after me, Chez's question for me, Chez posting resulting opinion of me, etc - this is substance. The codes are trash. So I agree with you that they're being active, you should be careful to observe for the correct reasons. Use similar reasoning when you look at others - find posts that have merit and only consider them. well im just saying it makes it far less likely they're townees, they could be blue or red, but why would townees be so self destructive as to make wild baseless allegations and hinder the team by causing too much confusion. Obvisouly attacking someone can draw out reactions but yeah, it just leans me more to thinking they're not green and being mindful for that That’s just their style. To post crazy/random anyway.
Nice to know I didn’t miss much. -____-.
Summary of my ideas on the plans:
+ Show Spoiler + Regarding inactivity: Based on the activity levels so far, it seems like lynching an inactive might actually be a viable option. I was hoping that no one would be inactive, but as of now, Teams 7 and 8 seem to be, for the most part, missing. BrownBear is of course excused, but meeple should still be here until tomorrow, and both Nikon and stormtemplar are MIA. Zyrre and johnnyspazz with only a couple posts so far? L and Caller seem to be MIA as well? L had that one post and then went to work or whatever but I don’t remember Caller posting?
I really don’t want to lynch based on inactivity (in that I don’t want it to be a problem), but if it comes down to it, these teams are the candidates, as far as I can tell.
Like I said before though, reads > inactivity for lynch targets. If we can get a red read on anyone with sound logic, I’d be open to that.
Other Lynch Candidates: I’d like to remind everyone of one of the first posts I looked at – johnnyspazz’s accusation of L. Completely uncalled for, and a very aggressive move, with potential of drawing even some “veterans” into the bait. Keep an eye on him.
Another target is Bill Murray/Chezinu because of their generally poor/confusing style of play, but I’d lean toward no, and look for more before lynching them (they have a few good posts every so often. I think Chezinu’s a good poster when he’s not messing around).
Thoughts on YellowInk: I don’t really understand the pressure BM was putting on him. I do disagree with an early DT claim and all that, but it didn’t scream mafia to me. Maybe I wasn’t looking closely enough, but so far, he’s only as suspicious as BM/Chez.
bumatlarge – has had some pretty poor suggestions I think. Another person to watch out for.
Blue Strategy First off, I’d like to remind everyone that we can’t be sure of whether we have a DT, a medic, or both. So post analysis is even more important this game.
BUT! If we do have them. Regarding activity: I’d favor not making yourself look too pro-town, or look like too good of a townie. Mafia want to eliminate either possible blues or people who contribute to the thread. If you look like the town’s leader, you’re in danger of being hit. Laying low might make you look scummy and may be a traditional blue move, but it’s easier to blend in, especially considering the posting levels so far. It’s harder to hit a blue out of a crowd of 3 or 4 than a crowd of 2 or 3.
Detective: Night 1, check someone suspicious who you think is mafia. Don’t aim to confirm greens. If you catch a mafia, I still say claim Day 2 and out that person. If it’s setup 1, you’ll probably be protected and roleblocked/hit the next night. Setup 3, you’ll probably die that night, but it leaves the rest of us in a 4v1 assuming mislynch day 1 at the beginning of day 3, or else insta-victory.
Medic: Like I said, mafia want to kill the best posters in the town. So protect them. Duh xD. If you think someone might be the Detective, you can protect them as well. Uhh… I don’t think there’s ever a time you should claim, unless you protect someone that gets hit. And even then, you might consider laying low.
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On June 23 2010 10:13 L wrote: Now, looking at team 5, if they're mafia, Ace or Korynne's team is probably mafia too. Why? Team strength + argument patterns.
Hey L, what do you mean by team strength?
But I'll agree that, so far, I lean more toward YI than BM, simply because at the time, I didn't think BM's arguments for calling YI mafia so strongly had a strong enough basis. I'll take a look at their argument again if he says it's actually what he was thinking, but honestly, I just saw it as fishing. The fact that he's persisting means nothing to me because he's BM.
Also, let's throw team 7 into consideration as well. They don't have the suspiciousness that johnnyspazz offered, but their inactivity is inexcusable as well.
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On June 23 2010 10:58 L wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 10:38 DarthThienAn wrote:On June 23 2010 10:13 L wrote: Now, looking at team 5, if they're mafia, Ace or Korynne's team is probably mafia too. Why? Team strength + argument patterns.
Hey L, what do you mean by team strength? But I'll agree that, so far, I lean more toward YI than BM, simply because at the time, I didn't think BM's arguments for calling YI mafia so strongly had a strong enough basis. I'll take a look at their argument again if he says it's actually what he was thinking, but honestly, I just saw it as fishing. The fact that he's persisting means nothing to me because he's BM. Also, let's throw team 7 into consideration as well. They don't have the suspiciousness that johnnyspazz offered, but their inactivity is inexcusable as well. I mean that team 5 is probably the weakest team in the game. Which is good, because the thusfar quiet durak decided to speak up and prove me right. Since that's the case it follows that they'd be paired with a strong team, and since i know that caller and I are green, that leaves Ace and Korynne's groups as counterbalances. Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 10:47 BrownBear wrote:On June 23 2010 10:45 Durak wrote:On June 23 2010 10:13 L wrote: So, here are our main options being discussed:
1. Radfield and Korynne 2. Bill Murray and Chezinu 3. LaXerCannon and bumatlarge 4. Ace and DarthThienAn 5. Durak and YellowInk 6. L and Caller 7. Nikon, Zyrre, and meeple 8. Stormtemplar, johnnyspazz, and BrownBear 9. DCLXVI, MooCow and Divinek Who is this clown? You go afk all day, come back, and make some ridiculously biased "summary" post. First of all, you say "our main options" as if you're some authority. You haven't said anything in this thread to separate you from anyone else. In fact, you've just kept under the radar. Second of all, your bolded choices are biased. Your first post in this thread, before anything began, accuses 2 and 8. You repeated the same people in this post even though they have been discussed relatively little. Rather, people have pointed their fingers at you. Give me some analysis or I don't see any reason to listen to you. You're talking bigger than you have shown. Agreed, nicely done new guy! L, can I see some reasons for FOSing me/my team, please? Brownie B: You mean apart from johnny starting day 1 with a "lets kill L lol" post, stormtemplar saying next to nothing besides 1-2 line me-too and you showing up going "lol gj allies for making me look bad" and then a wagon vote on the frontrunners as protection. Pretty contentless garbage from your team in general. Next post: we get into interesting stuff.
Ah, okay. I'm not sure about that though. YellowInk's a pretty strong player, albeit new. I'd put Team 5 above Teams 7, 8, and 9 for that reason, although I don't really remember how good meeple is. Zyrre's like half a YellowInk because of a similar quality of posting, he's less active, and Nikon and Durak are both newbies so nothing there. DCLXVI and MooCow are both so-so, and Divinek I don't know. Neither of the first two are all that great for posting content / being active. This is all based on my playing XXVII.
But, to be honest, I don't care about a 'balanced mafia group' team-strength wise. Didn't someone say flamewheel usually goes random?
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On June 23 2010 11:05 johnnyspazz wrote:darth why you be hating on me? am i really THAT suspicious? Show nested quote +I’d like to remind everyone of one of the first posts I looked at – johnnyspazz’s accusation of L. Completely uncalled for, and a very aggressive move, with potential of drawing even some “veterans” into the bait. Keep an eye on him. i think this is called RVS, someone correct me if i'm wrong.
How is that random? It's based on the fact that you voted to lynch L straight off with absolutely no possible evidence or logical reasoning, other than the idea that L has the potential to lead us to our death. So does Bill Murray. So does Chezinu, to some extent. Other people might - but why not those other two, for example? Why L?
On June 23 2010 11:06 L wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 11:03 DarthThienAn wrote:On June 23 2010 10:58 L wrote:On June 23 2010 10:38 DarthThienAn wrote:On June 23 2010 10:13 L wrote: Now, looking at team 5, if they're mafia, Ace or Korynne's team is probably mafia too. Why? Team strength + argument patterns.
Hey L, what do you mean by team strength? But I'll agree that, so far, I lean more toward YI than BM, simply because at the time, I didn't think BM's arguments for calling YI mafia so strongly had a strong enough basis. I'll take a look at their argument again if he says it's actually what he was thinking, but honestly, I just saw it as fishing. The fact that he's persisting means nothing to me because he's BM. Also, let's throw team 7 into consideration as well. They don't have the suspiciousness that johnnyspazz offered, but their inactivity is inexcusable as well. I mean that team 5 is probably the weakest team in the game. Which is good, because the thusfar quiet durak decided to speak up and prove me right. Since that's the case it follows that they'd be paired with a strong team, and since i know that caller and I are green, that leaves Ace and Korynne's groups as counterbalances. On June 23 2010 10:47 BrownBear wrote:On June 23 2010 10:45 Durak wrote:On June 23 2010 10:13 L wrote: So, here are our main options being discussed:
1. Radfield and Korynne 2. Bill Murray and Chezinu 3. LaXerCannon and bumatlarge 4. Ace and DarthThienAn 5. Durak and YellowInk 6. L and Caller 7. Nikon, Zyrre, and meeple 8. Stormtemplar, johnnyspazz, and BrownBear 9. DCLXVI, MooCow and Divinek Who is this clown? You go afk all day, come back, and make some ridiculously biased "summary" post. First of all, you say "our main options" as if you're some authority. You haven't said anything in this thread to separate you from anyone else. In fact, you've just kept under the radar. Second of all, your bolded choices are biased. Your first post in this thread, before anything began, accuses 2 and 8. You repeated the same people in this post even though they have been discussed relatively little. Rather, people have pointed their fingers at you. Give me some analysis or I don't see any reason to listen to you. You're talking bigger than you have shown. Agreed, nicely done new guy! L, can I see some reasons for FOSing me/my team, please? Brownie B: You mean apart from johnny starting day 1 with a "lets kill L lol" post, stormtemplar saying next to nothing besides 1-2 line me-too and you showing up going "lol gj allies for making me look bad" and then a wagon vote on the frontrunners as protection. Pretty contentless garbage from your team in general. Next post: we get into interesting stuff. Ah, okay. I'm not sure about that though. YellowInk's a pretty strong player, albeit new. I'd put Team 5 above Teams 7, 8, and 9 for that reason, although I don't really remember how good meeple is. Zyrre's like half a YellowInk because of a similar quality of posting, he's less active, and Nikon and Durak are both newbies so nothing there. DCLXVI and MooCow are both so-so, and Divinek I don't know. Neither of the first two are all that great for posting content / being active. This is all based on my playing XXVII. But, to be honest, I don't care about a 'balanced mafia group' team-strength wise. Didn't someone say flamewheel usually goes random? Nikon is not even remotely new, nor is MooCow. Meeple is relatively strong either way. I'd be very surprised if flamewheel would admit to fixing the teams, but f11 setups are normally jiggled around after the rng to make things a bit less dumb.
Eh, I don't know who Nikon is at all, my bad xD. MooCow is pretty new isn't he? I thought XXVII was his first game, making two games total. But okay, fair enough.
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On June 23 2010 11:33 johnnyspazz wrote:Show nested quote +How is that random? It's based on the fact that you voted to lynch L straight off with absolutely no possible evidence or logical reasoning, other than the idea that L has the potential to lead us to our death. So does Bill Murray. So does Chezinu, to some extent. Other people might - but why not those other two, for example? Why L?
stop getting your panties in a bunch, it was JUST a random vote to start things off. Sure L might have the potential to lead the town to victory, he has also shown in the past that he is very detrimental to the town. are we supposed to worship such veterans every game just because they have more experience than everyone else?
? I said potential to lead us to death. And I said, that's the only possible reason you had for voting for him.
Also, if your vote was random, why bother making it? You could just wait 24 hours and make an actual vote.
I'm not saying you should worship them, but being a veteran isn't something that you KILL them for...
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On June 23 2010 11:45 L wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 11:30 Ace wrote:On June 23 2010 11:26 L wrote:On June 23 2010 11:16 Ace wrote:On June 23 2010 11:08 Bill Murray wrote:On June 23 2010 11:06 Ace wrote: L and BM: an OMGUS vote doesn't mean someone is scum. Newbie townies do it a lot. I agree with you on this depending on the person. L casting an OMGUS makes me view him as town moreso. I do the same thing. It is scummy until I am sure that the person does it as town imo. I'm at a loss in this game, but there is more information flowing around than you would expect zyrre for instance is drawing my fos well yes if someone is always known for revenge voting it may be a null tell but it also means they should probably be at the top of the suspect list. Also it depends on the nature of the vote: If you're doing it while building a case then it's fine. If you do it just because you have nothing else to do and crap reasoning then you come off looking squirmish and guilty. Also there isn't that much information flowing around. A lot of it is people poking holes around to see what people say. Like L claiming my team or Radfield's team must be Mafia because his top target sucks: thats ridiculous logic. I'm not sure if it's obnoxious L being sincere or he's faking it but either way it's dumb. They're not my top target at all. I didn't even post a target. I summarized what was going on in the thread. Yellow/Durak jumped out at me because I read Yellow's previous game and he seemed relatively 'in the game' and active, but his partner is a self admitted zero. Compare that to some of our other teams. We have literally zero teams at that level besides that one, which means that a host would likely have compensated. But seeing as you, durak and YI have all come out swinging against a post which is largely examining a random potential out of a much larger post, I think I got something right. So you accuse people of possibly being scum, they address your argument so therefore something must be fishy? Explain this more. Also you can't assume the host balanced teams. If that's the case then you and Caller would just as likely be Scum if we're going by experience and some level of skill here. It also hinges on the fact that YI/Durak have to flip red. If they don't then your entire argument falls to shambles and we've seen that happen before. If people actually addressed the argument, maybe you'd be right. Darth didn't try to address his culpability; he played up team 5's strength. You didn't address the argument. You dismissed it. Durak didn't address the argument. He launched into a "YOU DONT KNOW ME NUH UH" tirade. Only Yellow really bothered to take the time, and given his post's location after mine it seems like he's more trying to patch up an obviously over-inflammatory push from his ally. And no, silly, Caller/Me aren't 'just as likely' when I talk because I have a PM in my inbox telling me I'm green. What you seem to be forgetting is that I'm not calling YI/Durak/You/Darth scum. I looked at the 3 people being discussed and said: "Wow, that team 5 is pretty weak. They'd probably have needed a strong team to balance them out. If they flip red, the other team is likely one of these two." Does that logic tell me whether or not team 5 is red ab initio? No. If I had a massive day 1 eureka and I knew if a team was red, I wouldn't be summarizing what had happened in the prior 3 pages. I would have been pushing for my own target because I DO THAT ALL THE GODDAM TIME. It draws a link in the case that they are. Seriously horrendous deconstruction of what I've said. The 4 people coming out swinging on a very light suspicion, however, seems to be a bit more credible. Rad/Korynne haven't even bothered talking. If you were worried about scum hunting their silence probably would have jumped out at you. The very odd defensive posture you've taken reminds me far more of your low-key mafia play than your green play. For your team? Given Darth's tone and your posts here, I'd say Red or Blue.
Hum? I don't find anything wrong with you using team strength as a basis for your ideas. I personally just don't like that argument, because as far as I know, the setup's random, so I personally will refuse to use that as a source of my reasoning ^^.
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On June 23 2010 11:47 L wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 11:28 DarthThienAn wrote:On June 23 2010 11:05 johnnyspazz wrote:darth why you be hating on me? am i really THAT suspicious? I’d like to remind everyone of one of the first posts I looked at – johnnyspazz’s accusation of L. Completely uncalled for, and a very aggressive move, with potential of drawing even some “veterans” into the bait. Keep an eye on him. i think this is called RVS, someone correct me if i'm wrong. How is that random? It's based on the fact that you voted to lynch L straight off with absolutely no possible evidence or logical reasoning, other than the idea that L has the potential to lead us to our death. So does Bill Murray. So does Chezinu, to some extent. Other people might - but why not those other two, for example? Why L? On June 23 2010 11:06 L wrote:On June 23 2010 11:03 DarthThienAn wrote:On June 23 2010 10:58 L wrote:On June 23 2010 10:38 DarthThienAn wrote:On June 23 2010 10:13 L wrote: Now, looking at team 5, if they're mafia, Ace or Korynne's team is probably mafia too. Why? Team strength + argument patterns.
Hey L, what do you mean by team strength? But I'll agree that, so far, I lean more toward YI than BM, simply because at the time, I didn't think BM's arguments for calling YI mafia so strongly had a strong enough basis. I'll take a look at their argument again if he says it's actually what he was thinking, but honestly, I just saw it as fishing. The fact that he's persisting means nothing to me because he's BM. Also, let's throw team 7 into consideration as well. They don't have the suspiciousness that johnnyspazz offered, but their inactivity is inexcusable as well. I mean that team 5 is probably the weakest team in the game. Which is good, because the thusfar quiet durak decided to speak up and prove me right. Since that's the case it follows that they'd be paired with a strong team, and since i know that caller and I are green, that leaves Ace and Korynne's groups as counterbalances. On June 23 2010 10:47 BrownBear wrote:On June 23 2010 10:45 Durak wrote:On June 23 2010 10:13 L wrote: So, here are our main options being discussed:
1. Radfield and Korynne 2. Bill Murray and Chezinu 3. LaXerCannon and bumatlarge 4. Ace and DarthThienAn 5. Durak and YellowInk 6. L and Caller 7. Nikon, Zyrre, and meeple 8. Stormtemplar, johnnyspazz, and BrownBear 9. DCLXVI, MooCow and Divinek Who is this clown? You go afk all day, come back, and make some ridiculously biased "summary" post. First of all, you say "our main options" as if you're some authority. You haven't said anything in this thread to separate you from anyone else. In fact, you've just kept under the radar. Second of all, your bolded choices are biased. Your first post in this thread, before anything began, accuses 2 and 8. You repeated the same people in this post even though they have been discussed relatively little. Rather, people have pointed their fingers at you. Give me some analysis or I don't see any reason to listen to you. You're talking bigger than you have shown. Agreed, nicely done new guy! L, can I see some reasons for FOSing me/my team, please? Brownie B: You mean apart from johnny starting day 1 with a "lets kill L lol" post, stormtemplar saying next to nothing besides 1-2 line me-too and you showing up going "lol gj allies for making me look bad" and then a wagon vote on the frontrunners as protection. Pretty contentless garbage from your team in general. Next post: we get into interesting stuff. Ah, okay. I'm not sure about that though. YellowInk's a pretty strong player, albeit new. I'd put Team 5 above Teams 7, 8, and 9 for that reason, although I don't really remember how good meeple is. Zyrre's like half a YellowInk because of a similar quality of posting, he's less active, and Nikon and Durak are both newbies so nothing there. DCLXVI and MooCow are both so-so, and Divinek I don't know. Neither of the first two are all that great for posting content / being active. This is all based on my playing XXVII. But, to be honest, I don't care about a 'balanced mafia group' team-strength wise. Didn't someone say flamewheel usually goes random? Nikon is not even remotely new, nor is MooCow. Meeple is relatively strong either way. I'd be very surprised if flamewheel would admit to fixing the teams, but f11 setups are normally jiggled around after the rng to make things a bit less dumb. Eh, I don't know who Nikon is at all, my bad xD. MooCow is pretty new isn't he? I thought XXVII was his first game, making two games total. But okay, fair enough. Nikon changed his name from Nikoner. Maybe you remember him playing under that name.
lol. I had to look him up, couldn't remember him for the life of me :D
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On June 23 2010 12:00 L wrote:Show nested quote +Hum? I don't find anything wrong with you using team strength as a basis for your ideas. I personally just don't like that argument, because as far as I know, the setup's random, so I personally will refuse to use that as a source of my reasoning ^^. I have a few pre-game pms from certain people that make me believe otherwise, but I might be inferring a bit too much out of a bit too little. Either way, seems like a relatively prudent point to make. Unless I'm just trying to pressure your team into posting more, amirite? Then I'm all kinds of ballsy.
You do it your way, I'll do it mine =P.
And I don't mind that. I'm here anyway zz. On another note, I don't think anyone's responded to my first post directly -_-.
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rawr teammate! I almost forgot Ace was on my team.
=D. L, if you want more information on anything specific, just ask imo.
ie. [Your argument] [My response]
[Your explanation of how I sidestepped]
And believe it or not, I forgot what culpability meant earlier and looking it up didn't help so I completely misinterpreted what you meant until now. By culpability you meant how you were connecting Team 5 to Ace and myself? I addressed that pretty early, didn't I? I thought I said something along the lines of "I agree" (assuming your logic), but also that "I disagree and think YellowInk makes his team stronger than teams XXX" which makes your logic meh-ish? I still think YellowInk's team is not the weakest in the game, and so, even taking into account manual team balancing, he wouldn't necessarily be paired up with Korynne/Radfield, Ace/myself, or you/Caller. Well, I mean, the chances are high because that's 1/3 of the teams, lol, but I could just as easily see another middle-ish team being mafia. ie. teams 2, 3, or, based on your account of meeple, team 7, even.
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+ Show Spoiler +On June 23 2010 12:10 Bill Murray wrote: I'll keep that in mind, as I didn't ever understand why people would vote for me when acting like an idiot in this way. I figured that AtE wasn't really a bad thing if used properly, but you make me see the broader picture here tbh.
I would say that it's just him analyzing things from his perspective. Noone really know what is going through L's head...
I personally would vote for someone acting like an idiot because they're hurting the town by doing so and therefore mafia or a bad townie. AtE? You're wrong! I wasn't fishing at all. ...then you were serious? o_o. This says much about either your role, or your skill level. I will admit that the last time I played in a setup like this I disrailed the thread by pushing the lynches of two town-on-town argumentees i was going up against (flamewheel and kf91). If you'll notice, though, I have learned from my bad-play and am not pushing further for YellowInk's head to be hung (because I realize I am not the one who should be deciding anymore, and that there is a likelihood of it being town on town....)
THAT being said, we need to lynch someone. I know that you all are going to look down upon this, but to me i have a 25% chance to lynch another team and have them turn up scum...
some town on town action never hurt anyone :D my team to me isnt scum unless chezinu got the role pm that he was brown and didn't tell me... otherwise we are definitely with the town/townies. in that case, 1/4 of you other teams are mafia, which is where we get the 25% chance of a random hit on mafia... we cannot risk not lynching SOMEONE right now. If we hit that 25% chance and it's 7/8 people town-aligned then we nearly have the game won already. We can't afford to not have that and have a no-lynch or whatever. I don't expect that, nor do I have that good of targets other than that Zyrre guy.. but he may just be bad.
what do you better players think of who we should lynch?
That logic doesn't help anyone. We all think we're town, and we all know there are 2 mafia teams out there. And there's no chance that no one will be lynched, as long as 1 vote is cast, which it has been. There's no such thing as a no-lynch in this setup. Why Zyrre? I don't remember anything about what he's posted this game.
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On June 23 2010 12:29 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 12:05 DarthThienAn wrote:On June 23 2010 12:00 L wrote:Hum? I don't find anything wrong with you using team strength as a basis for your ideas. I personally just don't like that argument, because as far as I know, the setup's random, so I personally will refuse to use that as a source of my reasoning ^^. I have a few pre-game pms from certain people that make me believe otherwise, but I might be inferring a bit too much out of a bit too little. Either way, seems like a relatively prudent point to make. Unless I'm just trying to pressure your team into posting more, amirite? Then I'm all kinds of ballsy. You do it your way, I'll do it mine =P. And I don't mind that. I'm here anyway zz. On another note, I don't think anyone's responded to my first post directly -_-. If I may say so, it was very incriminating But a nice chocolate sundae of what people are doing so far since the day dawned.
It was? I don't even remember what I posted except for the summary. I know you were in there =P. And I know you still aren't posting anything =P.
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On June 23 2010 12:32 L wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 12:26 Ace wrote:On June 23 2010 12:21 L wrote:On June 23 2010 12:07 Ace wrote:On June 23 2010 11:45 L wrote:On June 23 2010 11:30 Ace wrote:On June 23 2010 11:26 L wrote:On June 23 2010 11:16 Ace wrote:On June 23 2010 11:08 Bill Murray wrote:On June 23 2010 11:06 Ace wrote: L and BM: an OMGUS vote doesn't mean someone is scum. Newbie townies do it a lot. I agree with you on this depending on the person. L casting an OMGUS makes me view him as town moreso. I do the same thing. It is scummy until I am sure that the person does it as town imo. I'm at a loss in this game, but there is more information flowing around than you would expect zyrre for instance is drawing my fos well yes if someone is always known for revenge voting it may be a null tell but it also means they should probably be at the top of the suspect list. Also it depends on the nature of the vote: If you're doing it while building a case then it's fine. If you do it just because you have nothing else to do and crap reasoning then you come off looking squirmish and guilty. Also there isn't that much information flowing around. A lot of it is people poking holes around to see what people say. Like L claiming my team or Radfield's team must be Mafia because his top target sucks: thats ridiculous logic. I'm not sure if it's obnoxious L being sincere or he's faking it but either way it's dumb. They're not my top target at all. I didn't even post a target. I summarized what was going on in the thread. Yellow/Durak jumped out at me because I read Yellow's previous game and he seemed relatively 'in the game' and active, but his partner is a self admitted zero. Compare that to some of our other teams. We have literally zero teams at that level besides that one, which means that a host would likely have compensated. But seeing as you, durak and YI have all come out swinging against a post which is largely examining a random potential out of a much larger post, I think I got something right. So you accuse people of possibly being scum, they address your argument so therefore something must be fishy? Explain this more. Also you can't assume the host balanced teams. If that's the case then you and Caller would just as likely be Scum if we're going by experience and some level of skill here. It also hinges on the fact that YI/Durak have to flip red. If they don't then your entire argument falls to shambles and we've seen that happen before. If people actually addressed the argument, maybe you'd be right. Darth didn't try to address his culpability; he played up team 5's strength. You didn't address the argument. You dismissed it. Durak didn't address the argument. He launched into a "YOU DONT KNOW ME NUH UH" tirade. Only Yellow really bothered to take the time, and given his post's location after mine it seems like he's more trying to patch up an obviously over-inflammatory push from his ally. And no, silly, Caller/Me aren't 'just as likely' when I talk because I have a PM in my inbox telling me I'm green. What you seem to be forgetting is that I'm not calling YI/Durak/You/Darth scum. I looked at the 3 people being discussed and said: "Wow, that team 5 is pretty weak. They'd probably have needed a strong team to balance them out. If they flip red, the other team is likely one of these two." Does that logic tell me whether or not team 5 is red ab initio? No. If I had a massive day 1 eureka and I knew if a team was red, I wouldn't be summarizing what had happened in the prior 3 pages. I would have been pushing for my own target because I DO THAT ALL THE GODDAM TIME. It draws a link in the case that they are. Seriously horrendous deconstruction of what I've said. The 4 people coming out swinging on a very light suspicion, however, seems to be a bit more credible. Rad/Korynne haven't even bothered talking. If you were worried about scum hunting their silence probably would have jumped out at you. The very odd defensive posture you've taken reminds me far more of your low-key mafia play than your green play. For your team? Given Darth's tone and your posts here, I'd say Red or Blue. We do not know you are green. Everyone is going to claim green. That's irrelevant. I addressed your argument. I said you suspecting the host of balancing teams is a fallacy, especially when the host claimed to use a RNG. If you still do then your entire argument hinges on the host lying right? Your argument was that Yi/Durak are a weak team. If they are red, then the other mafia team must be a strong team. You then say it's up to my team or Radfield's team. I told you that IF you argument was sound then you'd also have to include yourself. The rest of the town has no idea about your alignment and saying "my PM says I'm green" doesn't make it any clearer. This is what I keep bringing up : the LOGIC in your arguments don't add up. Also what does Radfield/Korynne being silent have to do with my stance on them? Them not responding to you doesn't make them scummy. Once again your saying I'm taking an odd defensive stance when all I've done is address why your logic doesn't add up. Seems more to me that you are trying to forcefully characterize my stance on your argument into a position which doesn't exist. Why would I include myself from my own point of view when I know I'm not red? Me being in such a position lets me narrow down the possibilities as much as possible. You can't be certain I'm not lying, but then again that's kinda the entire point of the game, no? If you want to use the logic but don't trust me, feel free to put my name in and take yours out from your analysis' pov. That's kinda how it works. This seriously has to be the most truistic and circular objection to an argument I've ever seen. Why do you consistently waste time on such stupid shit? I can't believe you of all people are accusing someone of circular logic. I'm trying to illustrate to you that saying "I'm green" doesn't remove you from the pool of "strong teams" in your own argument. I know you'll claim green, no shit. I'm telling you it isn't convincing anyone that you aren't scum and repeating it doesn't help either. Derp, and I'm telling you that's irrelevant because I am not 'anyone'. I'm a person privy to the private information contained in my role pm. Whether or not your believe me is kinda irrelevant to me because its very unlikely given the rolecounts that this'll become the basis of a kill from our team. In general, however, this has been a fantastic way to make you talk more than you would have otherwise, so thank you for taking part on that fishing expedition.
How big was the fish?
From what I can tell, this argument is completely silly, and I think you can both agree that any one person/team can say "I know I am green, therefore..."
And then you (L) are saying, "Yeah, I'm excluding that option in my posts cuz I know I'm green"
whereas Ace is saying, "Why are you excluding yourself? We don't know that you're green."
which means, it really comes down to a matter of posting style / thought process. In general, I include myself in the equation (in thread) if I might be mafia in other people's eyes, because then, it's applicable to everyone, and everyone can agree with my logic. Leaving that out only works for me / my team only, which makes it less helpful / clear to everyone else.
But really, this all seems silly to me, and I think we should move on to bigger and better things.
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On June 23 2010 12:35 Divinek wrote: ##vote: Team 7
Hey, man. Sup? ^^
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BrownBear, I'm not sure getting on L's case for his list is going to help anyone. Continue to do so if you're mafia though, it's a good way to distract the thread.
When I saw that list, I immediately interpreted it as a summary of the last few pages, possibly because I had recently read all of the posts and knew it was along those lines, but still, I didn't see it as a random "L's lynch list" kind of deal or anything like that at all.
Divinek, that's all I wanted to know =p.
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On June 23 2010 13:22 johnnyspazz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 13:12 DarthThienAn wrote: BrownBear, I'm not sure getting on L's case for his list is going to help anyone. Continue to do so if you're mafia though, it's a good way to distract the thread.
what the heck? he's just defending himself from accusations that he thought were directed at him... if anything L is already doing a superb job at distracting the thread.
Perhaps, but why perpetuate that distracting if you don't need to? And defending yourself doesn't necessary have to include accusations against other people and the instinct to accuse whoever accused you. He could easily have explained himself.
Aside from that, L wasn't even really pointing the finger at him. No one was calling him out based on his inactivity, until he made a big deal out of it. I called his TEAM out on it, because stormtemplar's posted like twice, and terribly iirc, and you... well, you know what I think about you
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L, it's in sixths bro. Chez's got it straight.
Anyway.
Since he claims he wasn’t fishing…
Bill Murray
Current Vote: Team 7 (along with his partner, Chezinu), changed from Team 5 (more specifically, YellowInk) Posts: 22, but he’s a fan of double-posting and triple-posting and all that.
+ Show Spoiler +Any posts that I skip should be considered useless. On June 22 2010 15:07 Bill Murray wrote: putting pressure on a 3 man team would therefore put more pressure on them as it would give us information from 3 people. for that reasoning, considering it is the RV stage, we should probably be more apt to randomly vote for a 3 person team to create 33% more pressure hmm, not a bad idea (who cares about the math – 50% more pressure isn’t it?). Surprising that he started on YellowInk then, rather than a 3 person team?
From johnnyspazz: On June 23 2010 01:25 Bill Murray wrote: Chezinu, who are we going to protect? On June 23 2010 01:39 Chezinu wrote: I heard that the person who posted after my last post was mafia. i think i'm going to protect a townie. i also believe that we may have a dt. On June 23 2010 01:49 Bill Murray wrote: I would say protect ace, korynne is likely scum major f.o.s. On June 23 2010 01:57 Bill Murray wrote: Get on i.r.c. so we can discuss who we should protect
Hmm… they know that it’s possible for this to be read. So they are either making themselves targets, legitimately don’t think they’re allowed to PM, or are trying to screw up the town. I lean toward the last one because that’s what they always do. On June 23 2010 02:13 Bill Murray wrote:since i view you as red, we should lynch your entire team? if I feel like you are posting like you did when you were a yellow turban, i shouldn't sit idly while you try to ruin my game? such wise words from someone who is likely to be scum. perhaps you are doing the exact thing you're saying scum will do: Show nested quote +so the generic strategy for mafia is to appear to be town - preferably without helping them too much. ? I am going to assume we are out of the RVS, and use this hypocrisy as the basis for my voting you. You are doing exactly what you'd advocate red to do - appearing town without helping all that much. Instead of discussing what someone would do... why are you even thinking of that, by the way?... you should be scumhunting but are not. Even L's obvious OMGUS is a lot less suspicious to me than this. All that’s saying here is that he thinks YellowInk is scum, based on the fact that YellowInk appears to be town. … I think I’ve said before that I don’t see the logic there. On June 23 2010 03:14 Bill Murray wrote: Nice try at trying to shake your mud off and put it on me -- it's not going to work. You are in line with your scum meta this game, and since you've come into the spotlight, i will not let you out of it or you are gone, lynched, donzo. period.
by taking the spotlight like you did you are either anti town who will not stay in the spotlight and are going to be lynched or you are going to help the town by staying in the spotlight you have created for yourself.
as to people who dislike encoding messages, i do not specifically see where we cannot communicate with other pro town members in the thread. i'm sure the people who are complaining (radfield and korynnes team, and team 5) are actually the teams likely to be mafia from my perspective, which is why they're complaining.
Newer players, notice how YellowInk has no logical argument towards me so he has to use colors with his posts to back up his weakness? So all you’re saying is that if YellowInk continues to stay in the spotlight, he’s town? Terrible logic. YellowInk stayed in the spotlight, but that doesn’t make him town. He just loves the spotlight. There’s no reason for him to jump into the spotlight if he’s mafia, but like you say later, he did this last game too, so this says nothing about him. And again, I don’t see a logical argument from you either… and YellowInk only accused you as a response, which is as typical of a townie as it is of a mafia player. On June 23 2010 03:20 Bill Murray wrote: Your play in this and xxvii or whichever one it was in have been differing. I do not take it as being evolution of your meta-game either. The way I am taking it is that you have a power role. Being fairly unfamiliar with your play, I am going to take my vote off of you for now, as you did seem to take the spotlight in the other game you were in (I had you confused with another player, Trezeguet23). I do note some differences in your play, though, as in the other game you seem to be a lot more joking while taking the spotlight.
Hmm. Clarify by what you mean by “the way you are taking it”? He responded to you… he did that last game too, he responded directly to anyone who ever said anything about him. On June 23 2010 03:24 Bill Murray wrote: Wow. Lynch this guy. First, the mafia won't know shit if they have a roleblocker They can have a roleblocker while we have 7 townies, they don't know anything WE can also not be sure to have a detective at all I was about to take my vote off of you, but the way you are acting, it is staying there for the rest of the game.
Also, advising DT not to go to lategame is ill informed in my opinion as well. Every DT messup i've ever really seen has occurred by the DT revealing too early
I also dislike the negative near-omgus you are directing towards bumatlarge. While his play may be scummy scummy play doesn't always = scum. I am not saying carry him into a lynch or lose scenario, but that he is not acting nearly as scummy as other people, namely you.
humm... again, I agree with a later claim in general for this setup. Not sure if the intensity you put into this is appropriate though... I don't think his roleblocker analysis is off though. In that paragraph, he's assuming we have a DT, and therefore the mafia would know if there's a medic or not based on whether or not they have a roleblocker. And it seems logical to me for the mafia to do such a thing, assuming roleblocker, medic, and DT are all in play (hit someone else, roleblock the DT). Otherwise, they straight up hit the DT. His accusation on bumatlarge is the same one that you make on him... zzz. On June 23 2010 03:25 Bill Murray wrote:+ Show Spoiler +[Setup 2] -
1 Mafia Goon 1 Mafia Roleblocker 7 Townies I see why you posted this now… but it wasn’t really necessary. =P On June 23 2010 03:26 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 03:24 Korynne wrote: BM, how is talking in morse code helpful in the thread? Anyone can put it into a morse code translator.
If you wish to speak in code in hopes that somehow magically other townies but not mafia will be able to decipher it, be my guest. But I find the whole addition of morse code or binary or any other simple translatable using google form of cryptic communication useless and disruptive to people when they want to analyze the thread. you mean to say that it is unfair to you because you and your scumbuddy team #5 are the only ones who are capable of using IRC to coordinate with other teams? lol. Accusations ftw? On June 23 2010 03:31 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 03:27 YellowInk wrote: I am fine with being in the spotlight. Whether I am lynched is always up to the town. Honestly, if I weren't me, I'd be suspect of myself if I were quiet, where being loud gives no credit either for or against me. Your contrived explanations to turn up the heat on me where it's not due is kind of silly, though.
Is my last post logical enough for your tastes? Show nested quote +@BM I think I was pretty clear that I wasn't shaking mud on you. I'm not sure why you continue to place heat on me unreasonably. That you persist in this fashion is sketchy, but I've known players with your style before and it's fine. The fact that you are continuously getting heat from me is because your play is deteriorating are you are completely misinterpreting the setup and passing along heinously wrong information to the players who are uninformed. Show nested quote +I am fine with being in the spotlight. Whether I am lynched is always up to the town. Honestly, if I weren't me, I'd be suspect of myself if I were quiet, where being loud gives no credit either for or against me. Your contrived explanations to turn up the heat on me where it's not due is kind of silly, though. How is you misinterpreting the thread and trying to push forward anti-town and negative ideas CONTRIVED? It isn't. You are my #1 scum candidate. A second reason is your OMGUS vote of Bumatlarge after the RVS in which this shit shouldn't be allowed to happen. You are approaching the point where you will be lynched by the better players for sheer policy. Either way you look at it, if you back off the spotlight, or continue to make mistakes, you will go from FoS to being hammered by someone. Misinterpreting setup ~ possible intentional scum move. More often newbie move, nothing to lynch on. Hmm.. it’s interesting that he “OMGUS”’d bumatlarge. But he didn’t really do so without reason. So it’s not really OMGUS is it? I’ll buy that as a pink flag though. I don’t quite understand your plan here, BM. If you weren’t fishing, then what were you doing? You’re forcing YellowInk to post more, but also telling him that he needs to post more pro-town, which is what I think he was doing/trying to do. If you really think he’s mafia, why are you warning him? If you think he’s town, why are you still on his case? On June 23 2010 09:40 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 04:56 Korynne wrote: So there seems to be a bandwagon starting on YellowInk. I don't like it very much... Mainly because I believe that YellowInk is relatively easy to read, so I don't think we'll have a lot of trouble dealing with him in the later days as we would some other people *cough*L*cough*Chezinu*cough*. So I would definitely favour lynching a group of inactives or someone hard to read over lynching YellowInk.
Those are my two cents on the matter. I WONDER WHY YOU DONT LIKE A TRAIN ON YOUR SCUM BUDDY LOL Lol, more accusing of Korynne. Where’s the backup for that? Basically along post complaining "I'm actively lurking like scum", why don't you all do the same and hide my mafia-like behavior?
? I’m pretty sure he was saying that he DIDN’T like the inactivity… You're saying I'm posting whargarrbl when you're omgus and trying to derail the thread from proper scumhunting... FURTHERMORE, you are also attacking my solely because I am attacking you. You fail to scumhunt someone other than your attacker, which is another form of OMGUS. Your arguments with me are beginning to appear town on town to me, though, so if you are mafia you are doing better than you were previously.
Hummm, okay o_o. Laying off Yellow now, but saying his posts are crappy? I hope that’s the proper interpretation. Ace just wants the only people who actually scumhunt to be offed...
Subtle. Real nice accusation =p. On June 23 2010 10:02 Bill Murray wrote: which is why im voting team 7 radfield, is it wrong to vote someone who acts scummy when you KNOW they are town or townie? Yes, it is. You know this. If it wasn't then half of teamliquid would deserve policy lynching. Okay, inactivity’s legit. But it’s not wrong to vote someone scummy when you KNOW they are town. It’s a form of fishing. But I guess, in your case, it is wrong.. -_- On June 23 2010 11:08 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 11:06 Ace wrote: L and BM: an OMGUS vote doesn't mean someone is scum. Newbie townies do it a lot. I agree with you on this depending on the person. L casting an OMGUS makes me view him as town moreso. I do the same thing. It is scummy until I am sure that the person does it as town imo. I'm at a loss in this game, but there is more information flowing around than you would expect zyrre for instance is drawing my fos Another soft accusation… why? Give me reasons, and don’t say, “he just looks scummy.” Well, you can say that, but back it up with posts/quotes. + Show Spoiler [recent lost post] +On June 23 2010 12:10 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 11:16 Ace wrote:On June 23 2010 11:08 Bill Murray wrote:On June 23 2010 11:06 Ace wrote: L and BM: an OMGUS vote doesn't mean someone is scum. Newbie townies do it a lot. I agree with you on this depending on the person. L casting an OMGUS makes me view him as town moreso. I do the same thing. It is scummy until I am sure that the person does it as town imo. I'm at a loss in this game, but there is more information flowing around than you would expect zyrre for instance is drawing my fos well yes if someone is always known for revenge voting it may be a null tell but it also means they should probably be at the top of the suspect list. Also it depends on the nature of the vote: If you're doing it while building a case then it's fine. If you do it just because you have nothing else to do and crap reasoning then you come off looking squirmish and guilty. Also there isn't that much information flowing around. A lot of it is people poking holes around to see what people say. Like L claiming my team or Radfield's team must be Mafia because his top target sucks: thats ridiculous logic. I'm not sure if it's obnoxious L being sincere or he's faking it but either way it's dumb. Show nested quote + If you're doing it while building a case then it's fine. If you do it just because you have nothing else to do and crap reasoning then you come off looking squirmish and guilty.
I'll keep that in mind, as I didn't ever understand why people would vote for me when acting like an idiot in this way. I figured that AtE wasn't really a bad thing if used properly, but you make me see the broader picture here tbh. I would say that it's just him analyzing things from his perspective. Noone really know what is going through L's head... Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 10:38 DarthThienAn wrote:On June 23 2010 10:13 L wrote: Now, looking at team 5, if they're mafia, Ace or Korynne's team is probably mafia too. Why? Team strength + argument patterns.
Hey L, what do you mean by team strength? But I'll agree that, so far, I lean more toward YI than BM, simply because at the time, I didn't think BM's arguments for calling YI mafia so strongly had a strong enough basis. I'll take a look at their argument again if he says it's actually what he was thinking, but honestly, I just saw it as fishing. The fact that he's persisting means nothing to me because he's BM. Also, let's throw team 7 into consideration as well. They don't have the suspiciousness that johnnyspazz offered, but their inactivity is inexcusable as well. You're wrong! I wasn't fishing at all. Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 10:58 L wrote:On June 23 2010 10:38 DarthThienAn wrote:On June 23 2010 10:13 L wrote: Now, looking at team 5, if they're mafia, Ace or Korynne's team is probably mafia too. Why? Team strength + argument patterns.
Hey L, what do you mean by team strength? But I'll agree that, so far, I lean more toward YI than BM, simply because at the time, I didn't think BM's arguments for calling YI mafia so strongly had a strong enough basis. I'll take a look at their argument again if he says it's actually what he was thinking, but honestly, I just saw it as fishing. The fact that he's persisting means nothing to me because he's BM. Also, let's throw team 7 into consideration as well. They don't have the suspiciousness that johnnyspazz offered, but their inactivity is inexcusable as well. I mean that team 5 is probably the weakest team in the game. Which is good, because the thusfar quiet durak decided to speak up and prove me right. Since that's the case it follows that they'd be paired with a strong team, and since i know that caller and I are green, that leaves Ace and Korynne's groups as counterbalances. On June 23 2010 10:47 BrownBear wrote:On June 23 2010 10:45 Durak wrote:On June 23 2010 10:13 L wrote: So, here are our main options being discussed:
1. Radfield and Korynne 2. Bill Murray and Chezinu 3. LaXerCannon and bumatlarge 4. Ace and DarthThienAn 5. Durak and YellowInk 6. L and Caller 7. Nikon, Zyrre, and meeple 8. Stormtemplar, johnnyspazz, and BrownBear 9. DCLXVI, MooCow and Divinek Who is this clown? You go afk all day, come back, and make some ridiculously biased "summary" post. First of all, you say "our main options" as if you're some authority. You haven't said anything in this thread to separate you from anyone else. In fact, you've just kept under the radar. Second of all, your bolded choices are biased. Your first post in this thread, before anything began, accuses 2 and 8. You repeated the same people in this post even though they have been discussed relatively little. Rather, people have pointed their fingers at you. Give me some analysis or I don't see any reason to listen to you. You're talking bigger than you have shown. Agreed, nicely done new guy! L, can I see some reasons for FOSing me/my team, please? Brownie B: You mean apart from johnny starting day 1 with a "lets kill L lol" post, stormtemplar saying next to nothing besides 1-2 line me-too and you showing up going "lol gj allies for making me look bad" and then a wagon vote on the frontrunners as protection. Pretty contentless garbage from your team in general. Next post: we get into interesting stuff. "I mean that team 5 is probably the weakest team in the game. Which is good, because the thusfar quiet durak decided to speak up and prove me right." LOL. Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 11:27 L wrote: Oh, silly me, Top of the page darth comes out too.
That makes all 4 of you. Connect 4! lol L if you're not going to go into law you should go into comedy and i say that in all seriousness not the over-used cliche-style joke Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 11:28 DarthThienAn wrote:On June 23 2010 11:05 johnnyspazz wrote:darth why you be hating on me? am i really THAT suspicious? I’d like to remind everyone of one of the first posts I looked at – johnnyspazz’s accusation of L. Completely uncalled for, and a very aggressive move, with potential of drawing even some “veterans” into the bait. Keep an eye on him. i think this is called RVS, someone correct me if i'm wrong. How is that random? It's based on the fact that you voted to lynch L straight off with absolutely no possible evidence or logical reasoning, other than the idea that L has the potential to lead us to our death. So does Bill Murray. So does Chezinu, to some extent. Other people might - but why not those other two, for example? Why L? On June 23 2010 11:06 L wrote:On June 23 2010 11:03 DarthThienAn wrote:On June 23 2010 10:58 L wrote:On June 23 2010 10:38 DarthThienAn wrote:On June 23 2010 10:13 L wrote: Now, looking at team 5, if they're mafia, Ace or Korynne's team is probably mafia too. Why? Team strength + argument patterns.
Hey L, what do you mean by team strength? But I'll agree that, so far, I lean more toward YI than BM, simply because at the time, I didn't think BM's arguments for calling YI mafia so strongly had a strong enough basis. I'll take a look at their argument again if he says it's actually what he was thinking, but honestly, I just saw it as fishing. The fact that he's persisting means nothing to me because he's BM. Also, let's throw team 7 into consideration as well. They don't have the suspiciousness that johnnyspazz offered, but their inactivity is inexcusable as well. I mean that team 5 is probably the weakest team in the game. Which is good, because the thusfar quiet durak decided to speak up and prove me right. Since that's the case it follows that they'd be paired with a strong team, and since i know that caller and I are green, that leaves Ace and Korynne's groups as counterbalances. On June 23 2010 10:47 BrownBear wrote:On June 23 2010 10:45 Durak wrote:On June 23 2010 10:13 L wrote: So, here are our main options being discussed:
1. Radfield and Korynne 2. Bill Murray and Chezinu 3. LaXerCannon and bumatlarge 4. Ace and DarthThienAn 5. Durak and YellowInk 6. L and Caller 7. Nikon, Zyrre, and meeple 8. Stormtemplar, johnnyspazz, and BrownBear 9. DCLXVI, MooCow and Divinek Who is this clown? You go afk all day, come back, and make some ridiculously biased "summary" post. First of all, you say "our main options" as if you're some authority. You haven't said anything in this thread to separate you from anyone else. In fact, you've just kept under the radar. Second of all, your bolded choices are biased. Your first post in this thread, before anything began, accuses 2 and 8. You repeated the same people in this post even though they have been discussed relatively little. Rather, people have pointed their fingers at you. Give me some analysis or I don't see any reason to listen to you. You're talking bigger than you have shown. Agreed, nicely done new guy! L, can I see some reasons for FOSing me/my team, please? Brownie B: You mean apart from johnny starting day 1 with a "lets kill L lol" post, stormtemplar saying next to nothing besides 1-2 line me-too and you showing up going "lol gj allies for making me look bad" and then a wagon vote on the frontrunners as protection. Pretty contentless garbage from your team in general. Next post: we get into interesting stuff. Ah, okay. I'm not sure about that though. YellowInk's a pretty strong player, albeit new. I'd put Team 5 above Teams 7, 8, and 9 for that reason, although I don't really remember how good meeple is. Zyrre's like half a YellowInk because of a similar quality of posting, he's less active, and Nikon and Durak are both newbies so nothing there. DCLXVI and MooCow are both so-so, and Divinek I don't know. Neither of the first two are all that great for posting content / being active. This is all based on my playing XXVII. But, to be honest, I don't care about a 'balanced mafia group' team-strength wise. Didn't someone say flamewheel usually goes random? Nikon is not even remotely new, nor is MooCow. Meeple is relatively strong either way. I'd be very surprised if flamewheel would admit to fixing the teams, but f11 setups are normally jiggled around after the rng to make things a bit less dumb. Eh, I don't know who Nikon is at all, my bad xD. MooCow is pretty new isn't he? I thought XXVII was his first game, making two games total. But okay, fair enough. I will admit that the last time I played in a setup like this I disrailed the thread by pushing the lynches of two town-on-town argumentees i was going up against (flamewheel and kf91). If you'll notice, though, I have learned from my bad-play and am not pushing further for YellowInk's head to be hung (because I realize I am not the one who should be deciding anymore, and that there is a likelihood of it being town on town....) THAT being said, we need to lynch someone. I know that you all are going to look down upon this, but to me i have a 25% chance to lynch another team and have them turn up scum... my team to me isnt scum unless chezinu got the role pm that he was brown and didn't tell me... otherwise we are definitely with the town/townies. in that case, 1/4 of you other teams are mafia, which is where we get the 25% chance of a random hit on mafia... we cannot risk not lynching SOMEONE right now. If we hit that 25% chance and it's 7/8 people town-aligned then we nearly have the game won already. We can't afford to not have that and have a no-lynch or whatever. I don't expect that, nor do I have that good of targets other than that Zyrre guy.. but he may just be bad. what do you better players think of who we should lynch? @the last paragraph, because the rest idc about: yes, you’re right. We need to lynch someone. Why Zyrre though? Elaboratee plz.
Conclusions so far: BM, you’re throwing a lot of unsupported accusations. I’ll buy the whole YellowInk argument as you thinking he’s mafia although I mostly don’t agree with your logic, but your accusations on Team 1, Ace, and Zyrre haven’t really been supported at all in your posts. You throwing around all of these accusations doesn’t help the town AT ALL unless you support it and give logical reasoning. It’s not that hard, unless you’re making a case that you don’t actually believe in (ie. you’re mafia). So either give me an explanation as to why you think all of the people I just listed are mafia, especially Ace =P, or consider yourself extremely suspicious for over-aggressiveness and an attempt to start multiple bandwagons. Furthermore, you're cluttering the thread with generally bad posts. The only thing saving you right now is, well, your spamming, but I won’t buy that for long, especially because I know it’s pretty easy for a mafia player to jump into the spotlight.
Sup. Feel free to ask if my logic doesn't seem to be logic.
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On June 23 2010 13:45 Chezinu wrote: Bill Murray isn't even giving me an explanation of his actions.. Why can't town analyze me instead of BM?
cuz you weren't in a huge battle with YellowInk that put you in the spotlight and made me go "o_o". Is that a good reason?
On another note, I did for the luls.
Furthermore, I'd like to take this opportunity to place a vote of no confidence in the Supreme Chancellor, namely Flamewheel Valorum. I may or may not be influenced by my Senator, Ace Palpatine.
In retrospect, this seems a little backwards, since I'm the Sith here, but I don't think Ace would ever agree to posting something like this =P.
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On June 23 2010 13:49 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +I don’t quite understand your plan here, BM. If you weren’t fishing, then what were you doing? See: Sarcasm the wise L sayeth haters going to hate
You're wrong! I wasn't fishing at all.
...way to waste my time. The wink was hardly an adequate indication of sarcasm. -___-.
On June 23 2010 13:53 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 13:42 DarthThienAn wrote:L, it's in sixths bro. Chez's got it straight. Anyway. Since he claims he wasn’t fishing… Bill MurrayCurrent Vote: Team 7 (along with his partner, Chezinu), changed from Team 5 (more specifically, YellowInk) Posts: 22, but he’s a fan of double-posting and triple-posting and all that. + Show Spoiler +Any posts that I skip should be considered useless. On June 22 2010 15:07 Bill Murray wrote: putting pressure on a 3 man team would therefore put more pressure on them as it would give us information from 3 people. for that reasoning, considering it is the RV stage, we should probably be more apt to randomly vote for a 3 person team to create 33% more pressure hmm, not a bad idea (who cares about the math – 50% more pressure isn’t it?). Surprising that he started on YellowInk then, rather than a 3 person team?
From johnnyspazz: On June 23 2010 01:25 Bill Murray wrote: Chezinu, who are we going to protect? On June 23 2010 01:39 Chezinu wrote: I heard that the person who posted after my last post was mafia. i think i'm going to protect a townie. i also believe that we may have a dt. On June 23 2010 01:49 Bill Murray wrote: I would say protect ace, korynne is likely scum major f.o.s. On June 23 2010 01:57 Bill Murray wrote: Get on i.r.c. so we can discuss who we should protect
Hmm… they know that it’s possible for this to be read. So they are either making themselves targets, legitimately don’t think they’re allowed to PM, or are trying to screw up the town. I lean toward the last one because that’s what they always do. On June 23 2010 02:13 Bill Murray wrote:since i view you as red, we should lynch your entire team? if I feel like you are posting like you did when you were a yellow turban, i shouldn't sit idly while you try to ruin my game? such wise words from someone who is likely to be scum. perhaps you are doing the exact thing you're saying scum will do: Show nested quote +so the generic strategy for mafia is to appear to be town - preferably without helping them too much. ? I am going to assume we are out of the RVS, and use this hypocrisy as the basis for my voting you. You are doing exactly what you'd advocate red to do - appearing town without helping all that much. Instead of discussing what someone would do... why are you even thinking of that, by the way?... you should be scumhunting but are not. Even L's obvious OMGUS is a lot less suspicious to me than this. All that’s saying here is that he thinks YellowInk is scum, based on the fact that YellowInk appears to be town. … I think I’ve said before that I don’t see the logic there. On June 23 2010 03:14 Bill Murray wrote: Nice try at trying to shake your mud off and put it on me -- it's not going to work. You are in line with your scum meta this game, and since you've come into the spotlight, i will not let you out of it or you are gone, lynched, donzo. period.
by taking the spotlight like you did you are either anti town who will not stay in the spotlight and are going to be lynched or you are going to help the town by staying in the spotlight you have created for yourself.
as to people who dislike encoding messages, i do not specifically see where we cannot communicate with other pro town members in the thread. i'm sure the people who are complaining (radfield and korynnes team, and team 5) are actually the teams likely to be mafia from my perspective, which is why they're complaining.
Newer players, notice how YellowInk has no logical argument towards me so he has to use colors with his posts to back up his weakness? So all you’re saying is that if YellowInk continues to stay in the spotlight, he’s town? Terrible logic. YellowInk stayed in the spotlight, but that doesn’t make him town. He just loves the spotlight. There’s no reason for him to jump into the spotlight if he’s mafia, but like you say later, he did this last game too, so this says nothing about him. And again, I don’t see a logical argument from you either… and YellowInk only accused you as a response, which is as typical of a townie as it is of a mafia player. On June 23 2010 03:20 Bill Murray wrote: Your play in this and xxvii or whichever one it was in have been differing. I do not take it as being evolution of your meta-game either. The way I am taking it is that you have a power role. Being fairly unfamiliar with your play, I am going to take my vote off of you for now, as you did seem to take the spotlight in the other game you were in (I had you confused with another player, Trezeguet23). I do note some differences in your play, though, as in the other game you seem to be a lot more joking while taking the spotlight.
Hmm. Clarify by what you mean by “the way you are taking it”? He responded to you… he did that last game too, he responded directly to anyone who ever said anything about him. On June 23 2010 03:24 Bill Murray wrote: Wow. Lynch this guy. First, the mafia won't know shit if they have a roleblocker They can have a roleblocker while we have 7 townies, they don't know anything WE can also not be sure to have a detective at all I was about to take my vote off of you, but the way you are acting, it is staying there for the rest of the game.
Also, advising DT not to go to lategame is ill informed in my opinion as well. Every DT messup i've ever really seen has occurred by the DT revealing too early
I also dislike the negative near-omgus you are directing towards bumatlarge. While his play may be scummy scummy play doesn't always = scum. I am not saying carry him into a lynch or lose scenario, but that he is not acting nearly as scummy as other people, namely you.
humm... again, I agree with a later claim in general for this setup. Not sure if the intensity you put into this is appropriate though... I don't think his roleblocker analysis is off though. In that paragraph, he's assuming we have a DT, and therefore the mafia would know if there's a medic or not based on whether or not they have a roleblocker. And it seems logical to me for the mafia to do such a thing, assuming roleblocker, medic, and DT are all in play (hit someone else, roleblock the DT). Otherwise, they straight up hit the DT. His accusation on bumatlarge is the same one that you make on him... zzz. On June 23 2010 03:25 Bill Murray wrote:+ Show Spoiler +[Setup 2] -
1 Mafia Goon 1 Mafia Roleblocker 7 Townies I see why you posted this now… but it wasn’t really necessary. =P On June 23 2010 03:26 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 03:24 Korynne wrote: BM, how is talking in morse code helpful in the thread? Anyone can put it into a morse code translator.
If you wish to speak in code in hopes that somehow magically other townies but not mafia will be able to decipher it, be my guest. But I find the whole addition of morse code or binary or any other simple translatable using google form of cryptic communication useless and disruptive to people when they want to analyze the thread. you mean to say that it is unfair to you because you and your scumbuddy team #5 are the only ones who are capable of using IRC to coordinate with other teams? lol. Accusations ftw? On June 23 2010 03:31 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 03:27 YellowInk wrote: I am fine with being in the spotlight. Whether I am lynched is always up to the town. Honestly, if I weren't me, I'd be suspect of myself if I were quiet, where being loud gives no credit either for or against me. Your contrived explanations to turn up the heat on me where it's not due is kind of silly, though.
Is my last post logical enough for your tastes? Show nested quote +@BM I think I was pretty clear that I wasn't shaking mud on you. I'm not sure why you continue to place heat on me unreasonably. That you persist in this fashion is sketchy, but I've known players with your style before and it's fine. The fact that you are continuously getting heat from me is because your play is deteriorating are you are completely misinterpreting the setup and passing along heinously wrong information to the players who are uninformed. Show nested quote +I am fine with being in the spotlight. Whether I am lynched is always up to the town. Honestly, if I weren't me, I'd be suspect of myself if I were quiet, where being loud gives no credit either for or against me. Your contrived explanations to turn up the heat on me where it's not due is kind of silly, though. How is you misinterpreting the thread and trying to push forward anti-town and negative ideas CONTRIVED? It isn't. You are my #1 scum candidate. A second reason is your OMGUS vote of Bumatlarge after the RVS in which this shit shouldn't be allowed to happen. You are approaching the point where you will be lynched by the better players for sheer policy. Either way you look at it, if you back off the spotlight, or continue to make mistakes, you will go from FoS to being hammered by someone. Misinterpreting setup ~ possible intentional scum move. More often newbie move, nothing to lynch on. Hmm.. it’s interesting that he “OMGUS”’d bumatlarge. But he didn’t really do so without reason. So it’s not really OMGUS is it? I’ll buy that as a pink flag though. I don’t quite understand your plan here, BM. If you weren’t fishing, then what were you doing? You’re forcing YellowInk to post more, but also telling him that he needs to post more pro-town, which is what I think he was doing/trying to do. If you really think he’s mafia, why are you warning him? If you think he’s town, why are you still on his case? On June 23 2010 09:40 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 04:56 Korynne wrote: So there seems to be a bandwagon starting on YellowInk. I don't like it very much... Mainly because I believe that YellowInk is relatively easy to read, so I don't think we'll have a lot of trouble dealing with him in the later days as we would some other people *cough*L*cough*Chezinu*cough*. So I would definitely favour lynching a group of inactives or someone hard to read over lynching YellowInk.
Those are my two cents on the matter. I WONDER WHY YOU DONT LIKE A TRAIN ON YOUR SCUM BUDDY LOL Lol, more accusing of Korynne. Where’s the backup for that? Basically along post complaining "I'm actively lurking like scum", why don't you all do the same and hide my mafia-like behavior?
? I’m pretty sure he was saying that he DIDN’T like the inactivity… You're saying I'm posting whargarrbl when you're omgus and trying to derail the thread from proper scumhunting... FURTHERMORE, you are also attacking my solely because I am attacking you. You fail to scumhunt someone other than your attacker, which is another form of OMGUS. Your arguments with me are beginning to appear town on town to me, though, so if you are mafia you are doing better than you were previously.
Hummm, okay o_o. Laying off Yellow now, but saying his posts are crappy? I hope that’s the proper interpretation. Ace just wants the only people who actually scumhunt to be offed...
Subtle. Real nice accusation =p. On June 23 2010 10:02 Bill Murray wrote: which is why im voting team 7 radfield, is it wrong to vote someone who acts scummy when you KNOW they are town or townie? Yes, it is. You know this. If it wasn't then half of teamliquid would deserve policy lynching. Okay, inactivity’s legit. But it’s not wrong to vote someone scummy when you KNOW they are town. It’s a form of fishing. But I guess, in your case, it is wrong.. -_- On June 23 2010 11:08 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 11:06 Ace wrote: L and BM: an OMGUS vote doesn't mean someone is scum. Newbie townies do it a lot. I agree with you on this depending on the person. L casting an OMGUS makes me view him as town moreso. I do the same thing. It is scummy until I am sure that the person does it as town imo. I'm at a loss in this game, but there is more information flowing around than you would expect zyrre for instance is drawing my fos Another soft accusation… why? Give me reasons, and don’t say, “he just looks scummy.” Well, you can say that, but back it up with posts/quotes. + Show Spoiler [recent lost post] +On June 23 2010 12:10 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 11:16 Ace wrote:On June 23 2010 11:08 Bill Murray wrote:On June 23 2010 11:06 Ace wrote: L and BM: an OMGUS vote doesn't mean someone is scum. Newbie townies do it a lot. I agree with you on this depending on the person. L casting an OMGUS makes me view him as town moreso. I do the same thing. It is scummy until I am sure that the person does it as town imo. I'm at a loss in this game, but there is more information flowing around than you would expect zyrre for instance is drawing my fos well yes if someone is always known for revenge voting it may be a null tell but it also means they should probably be at the top of the suspect list. Also it depends on the nature of the vote: If you're doing it while building a case then it's fine. If you do it just because you have nothing else to do and crap reasoning then you come off looking squirmish and guilty. Also there isn't that much information flowing around. A lot of it is people poking holes around to see what people say. Like L claiming my team or Radfield's team must be Mafia because his top target sucks: thats ridiculous logic. I'm not sure if it's obnoxious L being sincere or he's faking it but either way it's dumb. Show nested quote + If you're doing it while building a case then it's fine. If you do it just because you have nothing else to do and crap reasoning then you come off looking squirmish and guilty.
I'll keep that in mind, as I didn't ever understand why people would vote for me when acting like an idiot in this way. I figured that AtE wasn't really a bad thing if used properly, but you make me see the broader picture here tbh. I would say that it's just him analyzing things from his perspective. Noone really know what is going through L's head... Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 10:38 DarthThienAn wrote:On June 23 2010 10:13 L wrote: Now, looking at team 5, if they're mafia, Ace or Korynne's team is probably mafia too. Why? Team strength + argument patterns.
Hey L, what do you mean by team strength? But I'll agree that, so far, I lean more toward YI than BM, simply because at the time, I didn't think BM's arguments for calling YI mafia so strongly had a strong enough basis. I'll take a look at their argument again if he says it's actually what he was thinking, but honestly, I just saw it as fishing. The fact that he's persisting means nothing to me because he's BM. Also, let's throw team 7 into consideration as well. They don't have the suspiciousness that johnnyspazz offered, but their inactivity is inexcusable as well. You're wrong! I wasn't fishing at all. Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 10:58 L wrote:On June 23 2010 10:38 DarthThienAn wrote:On June 23 2010 10:13 L wrote: Now, looking at team 5, if they're mafia, Ace or Korynne's team is probably mafia too. Why? Team strength + argument patterns.
Hey L, what do you mean by team strength? But I'll agree that, so far, I lean more toward YI than BM, simply because at the time, I didn't think BM's arguments for calling YI mafia so strongly had a strong enough basis. I'll take a look at their argument again if he says it's actually what he was thinking, but honestly, I just saw it as fishing. The fact that he's persisting means nothing to me because he's BM. Also, let's throw team 7 into consideration as well. They don't have the suspiciousness that johnnyspazz offered, but their inactivity is inexcusable as well. I mean that team 5 is probably the weakest team in the game. Which is good, because the thusfar quiet durak decided to speak up and prove me right. Since that's the case it follows that they'd be paired with a strong team, and since i know that caller and I are green, that leaves Ace and Korynne's groups as counterbalances. On June 23 2010 10:47 BrownBear wrote:On June 23 2010 10:45 Durak wrote:On June 23 2010 10:13 L wrote: So, here are our main options being discussed:
1. Radfield and Korynne 2. Bill Murray and Chezinu 3. LaXerCannon and bumatlarge 4. Ace and DarthThienAn 5. Durak and YellowInk 6. L and Caller 7. Nikon, Zyrre, and meeple 8. Stormtemplar, johnnyspazz, and BrownBear 9. DCLXVI, MooCow and Divinek Who is this clown? You go afk all day, come back, and make some ridiculously biased "summary" post. First of all, you say "our main options" as if you're some authority. You haven't said anything in this thread to separate you from anyone else. In fact, you've just kept under the radar. Second of all, your bolded choices are biased. Your first post in this thread, before anything began, accuses 2 and 8. You repeated the same people in this post even though they have been discussed relatively little. Rather, people have pointed their fingers at you. Give me some analysis or I don't see any reason to listen to you. You're talking bigger than you have shown. Agreed, nicely done new guy! L, can I see some reasons for FOSing me/my team, please? Brownie B: You mean apart from johnny starting day 1 with a "lets kill L lol" post, stormtemplar saying next to nothing besides 1-2 line me-too and you showing up going "lol gj allies for making me look bad" and then a wagon vote on the frontrunners as protection. Pretty contentless garbage from your team in general. Next post: we get into interesting stuff. "I mean that team 5 is probably the weakest team in the game. Which is good, because the thusfar quiet durak decided to speak up and prove me right." LOL. Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 11:27 L wrote: Oh, silly me, Top of the page darth comes out too.
That makes all 4 of you. Connect 4! lol L if you're not going to go into law you should go into comedy and i say that in all seriousness not the over-used cliche-style joke Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 11:28 DarthThienAn wrote:On June 23 2010 11:05 johnnyspazz wrote:darth why you be hating on me? am i really THAT suspicious? I’d like to remind everyone of one of the first posts I looked at – johnnyspazz’s accusation of L. Completely uncalled for, and a very aggressive move, with potential of drawing even some “veterans” into the bait. Keep an eye on him. i think this is called RVS, someone correct me if i'm wrong. How is that random? It's based on the fact that you voted to lynch L straight off with absolutely no possible evidence or logical reasoning, other than the idea that L has the potential to lead us to our death. So does Bill Murray. So does Chezinu, to some extent. Other people might - but why not those other two, for example? Why L? On June 23 2010 11:06 L wrote:On June 23 2010 11:03 DarthThienAn wrote:On June 23 2010 10:58 L wrote:On June 23 2010 10:38 DarthThienAn wrote:On June 23 2010 10:13 L wrote: Now, looking at team 5, if they're mafia, Ace or Korynne's team is probably mafia too. Why? Team strength + argument patterns.
Hey L, what do you mean by team strength? But I'll agree that, so far, I lean more toward YI than BM, simply because at the time, I didn't think BM's arguments for calling YI mafia so strongly had a strong enough basis. I'll take a look at their argument again if he says it's actually what he was thinking, but honestly, I just saw it as fishing. The fact that he's persisting means nothing to me because he's BM. Also, let's throw team 7 into consideration as well. They don't have the suspiciousness that johnnyspazz offered, but their inactivity is inexcusable as well. I mean that team 5 is probably the weakest team in the game. Which is good, because the thusfar quiet durak decided to speak up and prove me right. Since that's the case it follows that they'd be paired with a strong team, and since i know that caller and I are green, that leaves Ace and Korynne's groups as counterbalances. On June 23 2010 10:47 BrownBear wrote:On June 23 2010 10:45 Durak wrote:On June 23 2010 10:13 L wrote: So, here are our main options being discussed:
1. Radfield and Korynne 2. Bill Murray and Chezinu 3. LaXerCannon and bumatlarge 4. Ace and DarthThienAn 5. Durak and YellowInk 6. L and Caller 7. Nikon, Zyrre, and meeple 8. Stormtemplar, johnnyspazz, and BrownBear 9. DCLXVI, MooCow and Divinek Who is this clown? You go afk all day, come back, and make some ridiculously biased "summary" post. First of all, you say "our main options" as if you're some authority. You haven't said anything in this thread to separate you from anyone else. In fact, you've just kept under the radar. Second of all, your bolded choices are biased. Your first post in this thread, before anything began, accuses 2 and 8. You repeated the same people in this post even though they have been discussed relatively little. Rather, people have pointed their fingers at you. Give me some analysis or I don't see any reason to listen to you. You're talking bigger than you have shown. Agreed, nicely done new guy! L, can I see some reasons for FOSing me/my team, please? Brownie B: You mean apart from johnny starting day 1 with a "lets kill L lol" post, stormtemplar saying next to nothing besides 1-2 line me-too and you showing up going "lol gj allies for making me look bad" and then a wagon vote on the frontrunners as protection. Pretty contentless garbage from your team in general. Next post: we get into interesting stuff. Ah, okay. I'm not sure about that though. YellowInk's a pretty strong player, albeit new. I'd put Team 5 above Teams 7, 8, and 9 for that reason, although I don't really remember how good meeple is. Zyrre's like half a YellowInk because of a similar quality of posting, he's less active, and Nikon and Durak are both newbies so nothing there. DCLXVI and MooCow are both so-so, and Divinek I don't know. Neither of the first two are all that great for posting content / being active. This is all based on my playing XXVII. But, to be honest, I don't care about a 'balanced mafia group' team-strength wise. Didn't someone say flamewheel usually goes random? Nikon is not even remotely new, nor is MooCow. Meeple is relatively strong either way. I'd be very surprised if flamewheel would admit to fixing the teams, but f11 setups are normally jiggled around after the rng to make things a bit less dumb. Eh, I don't know who Nikon is at all, my bad xD. MooCow is pretty new isn't he? I thought XXVII was his first game, making two games total. But okay, fair enough. I will admit that the last time I played in a setup like this I disrailed the thread by pushing the lynches of two town-on-town argumentees i was going up against (flamewheel and kf91). If you'll notice, though, I have learned from my bad-play and am not pushing further for YellowInk's head to be hung (because I realize I am not the one who should be deciding anymore, and that there is a likelihood of it being town on town....) THAT being said, we need to lynch someone. I know that you all are going to look down upon this, but to me i have a 25% chance to lynch another team and have them turn up scum... my team to me isnt scum unless chezinu got the role pm that he was brown and didn't tell me... otherwise we are definitely with the town/townies. in that case, 1/4 of you other teams are mafia, which is where we get the 25% chance of a random hit on mafia... we cannot risk not lynching SOMEONE right now. If we hit that 25% chance and it's 7/8 people town-aligned then we nearly have the game won already. We can't afford to not have that and have a no-lynch or whatever. I don't expect that, nor do I have that good of targets other than that Zyrre guy.. but he may just be bad. what do you better players think of who we should lynch? @the last paragraph, because the rest idc about: yes, you’re right. We need to lynch someone. Why Zyrre though? Elaboratee plz. Conclusions so far: BM, you’re throwing a lot of unsupported accusations. I’ll buy the whole YellowInk argument as you thinking he’s mafia although I mostly don’t agree with your logic, but your accusations on Team 1, Ace, and Zyrre haven’t really been supported at all in your posts. You throwing around all of these accusations doesn’t help the town AT ALL unless you support it and give logical reasoning. It’s not that hard, unless you’re making a case that you don’t actually believe in (ie. you’re mafia). So either give me an explanation as to why you think all of the people I just listed are mafia, especially Ace =P, or consider yourself extremely suspicious for over-aggressiveness and an attempt to start multiple bandwagons. Furthermore, you're cluttering the thread with generally bad posts. The only thing saving you right now is, well, your spamming, but I won’t buy that for long, especially because I know it’s pretty easy for a mafia player to jump into the spotlight. Sup. Feel free to ask if my logic doesn't seem to be logic. Well, considering you're bringing up an argument which has been dead for pages in my opinion, i'll address this one last time. YellowInk was acting very scummy at the RVS for me, so I prodded him or needled him to see if he would argue with me. He did eventually. He had a very scummy sounding post in my opinion towards bumatlarge. That rekindled the suspicion I had had from the RVS. I am not sure if he is mafia, so I shifted my vote towards someone who has been actively lurking, Zyrre. I do not know his meta, so I am going to be keeping my vote on him for this until he proves me otherwise. I am not suspicious of Ace... I am even more suspicious of L than Ace, meaning both of them are near the bottom of my suspicious list. My analysis of Korynne and Radfield is that they're a power role. I do not know what power role they are. This would fit in line with Korynne's play when she was red in my eyes, although I believe Radfield is trying to convince her that they should play the PM game between theirselves
Yeah, it's been dead. But I was going through all your posts, so for me, it came back to life. =P.
ohhh... Zyrre is on team 7. lol, I didn't even check =P. Since you said his name specifically, I assumed it was because of something he posted.
For Ace: Good, that's more accurate =P. You had that subtle thing against Ace, which is why I brought that up.
I'll bite on Korynne/Radfield. There are unexpectedly inactive for them being them. Radfield is typically one of the most active players on Day 1, and he often suggests a game plan, etc. but I don't think I saw that this game? It's off from his usual play style I think. Korynne is the same way - I expect more posting from her, more analysis, more responses/thoughts on arguments happening, etc..
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On June 23 2010 13:57 Chezinu wrote: "meaning both of them are near the bottom of my suspicious list." Really, they are that low on your suspect list? You don't think it is one of them combined with a team 6-9? such as team 8? Bill, can we please talk in IRC?
lol, you guys sound like a married couple.
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