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And argh I didn't realize this was gonna be a clue game... I like to analyze people by their posts rather than clues, but oh well. | ||
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From the looks of it, YellowInk appears pro town. He is rational, yet hot headed. However, I want to say that I am still suspicious of him. Just because people are saying rational things on day 1 does not mean they are town. You can say a lot of pro town things to help the town on day 1 and have it all lost in the flurry of activity but still make your name look pro town psychologically in the future. For examples of this type of thing happening (even past day 1) look at Ingonito's behavior in TL Mafia XXVI. He was mafia and played a hot headed, smart, arrogant townie much like YellowInk is playing. YellowInk is going very far to make himself look pro town; the question is why? Did anyone else notice that he announced his candidacy for mayor after his name was brought to question because of the printer explosion clue? I'm not accusing him of being mafia but I want everyone supporting him to take a second look at his post history before voting for him as mayor. Darth is playing a lackadaisical, prudent, friendly townie. It doesn't appear to me as if he is putting much thought into his posts, just sort of sitting down and writing whatever comes to mind. This shows me that he isn't trying to conceal anything. Also, this post essentially proves to me that he's probably not mafia: So, I'd probably be lynching either LaXer, barth, IcySoul, or AFJ, in that order. That quote was taken from his suggestion of who to lynch off the inactives list. I know I'm townie, and we also suspect that at least one of those people is mafia due to their inactiveness; therefore, if he were mafia, he'd list me (knowing that I'm town) closer to the front in the hope that I would get lynched, and most likely list his mafia friend last. I know this logic doesn't work for anyone else since they do not know my role, but this is one reason why I am confident that Darth is town. To summarize, let's be very careful about electing YellowInk as mayor. Let's pay close attention to those who did not vote for him and then are quickly jumping on. I'm keeping my vote for Darth for now. | ||
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On June 06 2010 07:19 DCLXVI wrote: Another thing I noticed and is potentially harmful is how people (mainly me) use either or statements. Either he could be a townie and doing this or a mafia and doing that. However, there is always the possibility that clever scum are trying to trick you into thinking that they are townie. I usually just state the two most likely options, but more experienced players could be playing a higher game. Granted that is normally risky for mafia, but with a pool of new and old players it is less risky. That's not harmful. It's basically the only thing we can do that isn't based off hard evidence (collections of clues, detective findings). It is true that meta level reasoning can be used by the mafia to mislead the town, but I wouldn't expect that in this game. Consistently playing a role that will work that way is difficult. So, let's focus on thinking logically at all times. I did notice my name being mentioned as suspicious (due to a clue) and being inactive (for that I apologize). I don't like to participate and throw accusations out a lot in day 1 of a mafia game because there isn't a lot of evidence to go by and it just serves to confuse. If you look at the last mafia game I played in (XVI) you'll notice that my participation skyrocketed after Day 2 (granted, I was an assassin, but I was playing town-aligned because that was most advantageous for staying alive). However, I have been following the thread closely and tracking certain people's behavior. Day tomorrow is when we we are going to start having some interesting discussions  | ||
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On June 06 2010 14:02 Misder wrote: I'm sorry, I meant AcrossFiveJuly. AcrossFiveJulys damnit! LOL Thats cool though. I'll be BurnFiveJulys. Call me BFJ. | ||
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On June 06 2010 13:47 Thegilaboy wrote: Damn this badass profile pic, causing me more trouble than good! Although I don't think much blood stays on a psi/warp blade, it does certainly look like I am a prime suspect. Unfortunate for me, seeing as I know I'm clean, and for the town. But I'll focus on the clues for now, and see what I can do to help the town while I still can. Death 1: Very ninja like, a clean assassination. I suppose look for individuals who have profiles pointing towards being stealthy, and handy with a knife (and that includes me, I know) Death 2: A weight, so look for clues that have to do with mass. AFJ references weights in his profile. I suppose the mention of "nothing standing in the way of overwhelming power" in Icysoul's profile matches someone barreling the victim out of the window. CompX's mention of a tiny stone giant match as well. That's what I've got for now, I'll be taking a better look soon. Whoa whoa overreacting a little bit aren't you? Day has just begun and no one has voted for you. Trying to find very vague pointers to other people (me for example) to divert attention away from yourself also immediately after the clue was posted is highly suspect. | ||
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On June 06 2010 11:44 YellowInk wrote: A note to the town at large - while this will provide evidence to whomever claims to be hit (assuming there is no argument and only one comes forward) that they are town, it's not 100% as the mafia could choose to decline a hit for just this purpose. But it'll be awfully good evidence. I know there have been a few accusations thrown out at me lately; I'll address those in my next post. But I want to emphasize the shit out of this post by yellowink. Do not put 100% trust in MTF. This could easily be a ploy by the mafia to draw blues by PM and get MTF into the mayor/pardoner circle (if there is one). I think we should trust MTF to be town, but not trust him enough to have the blues PM him. | ||
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On June 05 2010 12:07 LaXerCannon wrote: ... AcrossFiveJulys: Hint: showering Incognito with burning hot… “burn your wings” Just sharing one word is a rather weak clue, but it's fair that you pointed it out. On June 06 2010 02:20 LunarDestiny wrote: AcrossFiveJuly fits the description of I post a lot but not on this thread. post last week: 33 post in the game: 3 Then there are numerous inactives who just doesn't post on TL at all therefore making them less likely be to mafia. Ok, that's a fair thing to point out. That ratio should be much different now (36 to 8 or so). That method, though, also detects people who are in a mafia game but apathetic to whats going on, so in my eyes it might be a better detector for town inactives. I dunno you could argue it either way. On June 07 2010 00:15 Misder wrote: AcrossFiveJulys seems to be dodging accusations against him. I think he has the most suspicious behavior, and there are clues pointing to him that he has not defend. I think we should clue check the barricade clue. I new to this game to, so im not sure if clues can be hidden in the description of the people. zeks profile has connections to winning (his quote "winning isn't everything, its the ONLY thing" Icysoul has connections to the pushing barth out of the window. "Nothing can stand in the way of overwhelming power". But don't count AcrossFiveJulys out cause he also has the "weights in gym" I'm not sure what to say to this except for this is part of what led me to write this post (saying I haven't responded to clue accusations), and also it's just another weak clue connection. I'm not going to defend myself by saying "hey wait, that clue points at these other people too" like gilgaboy did because I'm not going to point fingers at other people because of stupid weak clues. On June 07 2010 01:53 crate wrote: Post 314 is worthless. AFJ therefore is voting before he's said anything in the main thread; Called out for inactivity and responds (post 599); says Darth + YellowInk is likely pro-town (442); claims to be much more active on Day 2 (post 599); responds to Thegilaboy's accusation (post 657). Thoughts: I don't like voting without reasoning and especially voting before you've said anything. He's played mafia before and calls Day 1 unimportant but in a previous game he played (here, he says this: Which really doesn't match up with in post 599. (I was reading over that previous game as it happened and I thought there was plenty of information on Day 1 in it myself). The point is that even though I had a feeling about billmurray, I did not push it and try to get him lynched early on because I knew how easy it is to misclassify people early on. I also think it's odd that AcrossFiveJulys tells Thegilaboy to look for clues pointing at AFJ in the Day 2 post (in post 657). I'm not sure what, if anything, to make of this. I have no idea what you're talking about here, care to explain? Perhaps you misunderstood my post? by the way, how are you able to number all of people's posts in this thread? Is there an automated post tracking bot, because I can't find it. Furthermore he claims that he's been tracking certain people's behavior (post 599) without posting any thoughts on whom or why. I definitely want to see what AFJ has to say today and I'm interested in whom he was watching. I've been tracking littlechava, you (crate), and zeks. I'll be posting later on my thoughts of each. | ||
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On June 06 2010 04:23 MTF wrote: In case I'm dead and can't say it then, something to keep in mind: Just because a person claims to be hit last night and only two people died, doesn't mean they were. Mafia can stack hits, and while it would be ultimately unwise to do so, they might be tempted to throw the Godfather out there in an attempt to infiltrate any blossoming town-circles. So, as always, exercise caution. On June 07 2010 04:05 sputnik.theory wrote: It could be possible that two scum were involved in the death of ElyAs. One to follow him and chase him to the courthouse and another waiting in ambush there to kill him. At night, it's not hard for two masked men to look the same. Additionally, we actually have two players that 'look the same' playing in this game as MooCow and Tyranos_Nivek have identical profiles. The implications of such a double hit would be that MTF is lying about being targeted on night1. I am not convinced that the theory above is what actually took place but it seems to be a possibility. MTF wrote: It'd be a ridiculously convoluted scheme for me to be engaging in at this point. So... MTF states this scenario as a possibility, then claims to be hit the next night. sputnik comes up with a very interesting and plausible scenario, then MTF states that it's a "ridiculously convoluted scheme" even though he mentioned it as a possibility earlier. I would hardly call that a "ridiculously convoluted" scheme, since all that happened is he hinted at the possibility of such a scheme existing and then may have gone through with it (it's actually a smart scheme). I find sputnik's theory very interesting, as it matches perfectly with clues in a subtle way and explains a very improbable occurrence (successful medic protect on first night). Note that MTF has not claimed to have been contacted by a medic but did say that it was a medic who saved him. The best thing MTF could have done is keep his mouth shut about whether a medic was protecting him or not. Then, the mafia would not know whether their hit was blocked because he is a veteran or medic protected. MTF should know this as a seasoned mafia player. Does this seem strange to anyone else? | ||
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On June 07 2010 13:06 DCLXVI wrote: Well, MTF could be the godfather, which would help his story fit even better under a rolecheck. We really need to hear from the medic that saved him. I think a somewhat risky but very rewarding strategy may be to vote lynch MTF until the medic role claimed to you and DTA. Even if one of you two are mafia, the other would report no pm from medics. Also, if the medic was then hit we know that it is extremely likely that one of you two is scum. possible risks that I see: the medic doesn't roleclaim for some reason, and we lose a valuable poster YI pardons him and gives some bs excuse... still good for town I think a mafia fake roleclaims (maybe even the godfather with dt as his fake role). Then MTF would gain false townie credit. Still, we have to assume that it is likely that only the GF would try a risky strategy like this. The roleclaiming mafia could then be rolechecked. I like your thinking, but there's a glaring problem: it's possible that a mafia could pretend to be the "medic who saved MTF". Since that medic would only be PMing darth/YI, there would be no way a detective could role check him unless darth/YI are detectives or are in private contact with a detective. | ||
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On June 07 2010 08:45 crate wrote: I just found it odd that you'd specifically tell him to look for clues that pointed at you rather than someone else. Like I said, I don't know if this means anything. Might as well wrap up the discussion on this point, since I still have no idea what you're talking about. Here's my post you referenced (657) AcrossFiveJulys wrote: Whoa whoa overreacting a little bit aren't you? Day has just begun and no one has voted for you. Trying to find very vague pointers to other people (me for example) to divert attention away from yourself also immediately after the clue was posted is highly suspect. Perhaps you misunderstood the 2nd line? I'm just saying that he (gilga) defended himself by saying the clues could have pointed at other people including me, which is rather suspicious. | ||
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On June 06 2010 13:05 MTF wrote: Nice try, Mafia! I'm the one who survived the hit last night, though considering the other two people Mafia targeted, I confess to being a little confused. Perhaps they figured they should target one obvious/two unobvious to strengthen their chances of not encountering a medic. Guess it kind of worked...? :p I'll be checking through clues now. It sounds to me that you are implying a medic protected you. Care to clarify? I'm disturbed (as are others, it seems) that you refuse to say whether a medic protected you, and whether a medic contacted you. Could you please provide reasons for this? I can think of some but I want to hear it from you. | ||
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On June 07 2010 14:31 MTF wrote: I was only trying to figure out Mafia's thought processes. I'm guessing that the "Guess it kind of worked...?" portion is what confused you. I was not implying that I survived a hit via medic, rather that their strategy did not entirely pan out, regardless of the circumstances. What was it that kind of worked? Our medic protection scheme or the mafia's target selection scheme? The reason for the bottom portion was laid out in your first post. I'm not telling the Mafia why their hit failed. It confuses me as to why you suddenly want me to announce whether I've been in contact with a medic when part of your argument from before was to state that I should have known better. I'm not asking you to announce it, but rather your reasons for not announcing. If it's just the reason that I posted earlier, then fine. I was very suspicious of you before when it seemed you had admitted a medic protected you but didn't say whether he PMd you afterwards, but it seems you never meant to admit that a medic saved you in the first place. | ||
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Crate: + Show Spoiler + -Delves into details of game rules. Exchanges PM with flamewheel regarding the existence of role blocking mafia. -Post #243: Discusses situation where medic successfully saves. He mentions that the medic should PM the person he saved, so that person will know 100% that who a medic is. -Repeatedly says he's going to avoid clue analysis because he's bad at it. -Says that threatening to go after inactives only has teeth if you lynch inactives. Begins accusing Deuce for the first time and is neutral on Gilga. -Most of his posts are long and carefully crafted. town [--|-------] mafia littlechava: + Show Spoiler + -Has spent time analyzing clues but disagrees with making hasty decisions based off of them -Says he trusts crate -Says a mafia could pretend to be a medic who saved MTF: He's suggesting that the medic who saved MTF come out and tell MTF that he's a blue role/they're both on the same side. Questionable tactic though, since MTF probably wouldn't be able to trust the guy - it could just be some mafia member trying to gain his trust. MTF has no way of verifying whether the person PMing him actually saved him. That's a weird post, because clearly in that case MTF would get PMs from 2 "medics" and we would have some solid evidence that 1 of them is mafia (which crate pointed out earlier I believe). That would actually help the town. -Says he "guesses" that deuce should be targeted after someone mentions his name. (Bandwagoning behavior) -Very few of his posts really contain much content, several apologize for being inactive, many one liners. Comments: Overall his behavior is a little strange. He enters into most important discussions but his post doesn't add much. It's as if he's trying to put on the appearance of being an active townie without actually contributing anything. I'm not ready to drop a verdict on him at this point so let's give him another day or so. town [------|---] mafia zeks: + Show Spoiler + -Active in clue scraping early on -Very much against YI for mayor -Ran for mayor -Claims townie -Butt hurt about not getting support for mayor -Inactivity plummets after not getting elected -Argues against double lynch -Asks for clarifaction on whether the vet/medic hit save is discernable for the mafia Comments: I'm inclined to think zeks is likely town. Most of what he says makes sense, and his story of going for a mayor or pardoner role due to being vanilla townie adds up, as does his period of inactivity after his election failed. town [--|-------] mafia | ||
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CompX only has a few posts and in one of them he even said guys, I think ElyAs can be a mafia That's a little weird. Gives no excuse for inactivity. 3 Lions only has a few posts, and they are entirely focused on accusing people based on clues. He gives the excuse of being the end of school term for why he's inactive. Hugoboss21 just has a few useless posts about who to elect as mayor. Gives no excuse for inactivity. I don't mind lynching deuce today, but let's see if we can get some more juicy candidates before we reach a majority. The only evidence we have against deuce is him acting like an idiot (no clues, no posting behavior). | ||
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He's also linked to the "super fast assassin" clue as was pointed out earlier by sputnik, since both him and MooCow share exactly the same profile and it's plausible that it wasn't just a fast assassin but 2 different people. | ||
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On June 07 2010 20:32 LunarDestiny wrote: AcrossFiveJuly, you have to accept that this is a mafia game for newer players and not everyone will be willing to keep up with the insane amount of reading. I like to look at a poster's recent posts not just here but on Teamliquid. TyranoS_NiveK fits into the category of "I don't care about Teamliquid." Then why are you so adamant about lynching deuce? He fits into that same category. Here are a few of your posts trying to get everyone to vote for deuce: On June 07 2010 11:45 LunarDestiny wrote: LaXerCannon, okay. If you say that the TheGilaBoys use both quality of Stalker and DT for his crime then this is all I have to say. But you have to agree that combining the quality of both character is possible but not likely. If you compare reasons for lynching TheGilaBoys (very questionable clues but also a more useful poster) to lynching Deucegladlier (inactive and horrible posters, voting behavior between LaXerCannon, pyr0ma5ta, CompX, and Deucegladlier). If Deucegladlier can step up and do some explaining and maybe even contribute, otherwise I say lynching Deucegladlier is a better choice. [QUOTE]On June 07 2010 11:21 LunarDestiny wrote: You have to agree that DeuceGladlier is a much better lynch target than TheGilaBoys.[/QUOTE | ||
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On June 07 2010 20:32 LunarDestiny wrote: AcrossFiveJuly, you have to accept that this is a mafia game for newer players and not everyone will be willing to keep up with the insane amount of reading. I like to look at a poster's recent posts not just here but on Teamliquid. TyranoS_NiveK fits into the category of "I don't care about Teamliquid." Then why are you so adamant about lynching deuce? He fits into that same category. Here are a few of your posts trying to get everyone to vote for deuce: On June 07 2010 11:45 LunarDestiny wrote: LaXerCannon, okay. If you say that the TheGilaBoys use both quality of Stalker and DT for his crime then this is all I have to say. But you have to agree that combining the quality of both character is possible but not likely. If you compare reasons for lynching TheGilaBoys (very questionable clues but also a more useful poster) to lynching Deucegladlier (inactive and horrible posters, voting behavior between LaXerCannon, pyr0ma5ta, CompX, and Deucegladlier). If Deucegladlier can step up and do some explaining and maybe even contribute, otherwise I say lynching Deucegladlier is a better choice. On June 07 2010 11:21 LunarDestiny wrote: You have to agree that DeuceGladlier is a much better lynch target than TheGilaBoys. | ||
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On June 07 2010 21:10 LunarDestiny wrote: Deuce is not just a "I don't care about TL" guy. He makes somewhat decent posts on the damn K-pop forum. He knows how to embed youtube video and also have the time to find animated GIFs to post on the DAMN K-pop forum. I hate k-pop in general because they are bad. And some are so bad, that they are good. In the K-pop thread, he has two posts on June 5th and one on June 7th. So basically just one post on teamliquid outside the mafia since the game has really started. I'd hardly call that someone active on TL outside mafia. I really think he's a terrible target at this point. | ||
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onihunter (said he was catching up on reading last night but didn't post anything afterwards) moocow bumatlarge zeks brownbear DarthThienAn (but had 1 large post summarizing his thoughts and he's not campaigning anymore so fine with me) | ||
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the OP or figured out himself: On June 03 2010 05:17 MooCow wrote: How does an excel sheet help ? Asking as a noob/first timer of the game. On June 03 2010 12:57 MooCow wrote: Can a mafia member be voted in as mayor? During the voting can the public vote to kill the mayor? On June 03 2010 13:06 MooCow wrote: I see, this is my first time playing, so it would be really important to get a DT or someone to check the potential mayor candidates before we vote them in right? If the DT's find anything can it be told to the public or is it private information? Looking at everything so far Zeks seems like a potential mafia and there's too little info for Yellowink. On June 03 2010 13:29 MooCow wrote: So I assume any info the DT's find are told to everyone in this thread about clues etc? In like every other post he mentions or leverages the fact that he's new at the game. e.g, in addition to above posts, On June 03 2010 09:53 MooCow wrote: Probably more interesting to play with people that are participating in the game rather than kill the people that are participating. E: Never played the game either, first time trying. On June 03 2010 13:58 MooCow wrote: Damn I agree with Oni again, Yellowink seems to be really pushing hard for the mayor position which is fair and understandable but for me it seems a bit suspicious. I believe the point of the game is to persuade and con people into believing whatever you say and influence it in your favor from what I see so far. On June 03 2010 23:01 MooCow wrote: Thanks to everyone posting additional information about the game for the newer people. It'd be great if you added more inputs Crate it was easy to understand and read. We still have time before we all vote for the mayor right? With 30 people here there's still a bunch of people still to post so would we be looking those people as potential first day lynch? He also often overcompensates and makes sure that he mentions that he could be mafia so people wouldn't think he's leaving that out: On June 03 2010 12:11 MooCow wrote: Whoa great find imo. The Naruto and knives thing, they do indeed throw knives around a lot on that anime. Can we defend ourselves from accusations? On the disturbed thing, after reading through the paragraph the word disturbed just seemed like a very common word to be used there, but fair play even after reading through that i'd be suspicious of me! Seriously that's just the tip of the iceberg, almost all of his posts are overcompensating or being a "newb townie". He appeared to get very worried about the yellowink/darth election and stated FOUR times that it seems possible for mafia to be able to organize and get one of their six elected. Then after it seemed they would be elected he stopped complaining. Please other people look through his post history and tell me if you get the same vibe. | ||
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On June 08 2010 00:26 MooCow wrote: Yes i'm a noob to the game of mafia. Some of the stuff I asked could of been figured out from reading the OP and some couldn't, which is my bad for not going through the OP carefully. Like I said it's as if you were going out of your way to ask questions to make yourself look newbie. That's what looks suspicious. I surely don't overcompensate imo. I just post whatever I think but as crate said earlier I think I don't do much convincing in my posts so they are just general thoughts of the progress of the game. I'm sure you surely don't overcompensate in your opinion too. You better start doing some convincing rather than posting contentless garbage like the way you are defending yourself right now if you don't want to look suspicious. Then after it seemed they would be elected he stopped complaining. Nope, that's not true. Even if you read crate analysis of me it says I still continue to be wary of both YI and Darth. Even in one of my more recent posts I say why I am and what not so I don't see how you managed to get that. fine, your complaining was significantly reduced but not completely gone. This isn't what made me think you are mafia anyway. | ||
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On June 08 2010 01:46 BrownBear wrote: Yeah, joined midway through though so I didn't get to play last season, will be playing next season tho AFJ: Why the sudden pushing really really hard for voting for MooCow? I'm reading through your logic, and it seems alright, but in a day where it seems likely Deuce is going to get the axe, why would you start pushing really hard to lynch someone else? It makes no sense to me. I'm going to stick my vote on Deuce as a placeholder: like I said earlier, if he posts some content I have no problem changing it, but if he keeps trolling the KPop thread instead of posting here, well... I'm pushing really hard on MooCow because 1) I'm fairly convinced he's mafia and 2) I think it's unlikely that deuce is mafia and thus likely that we would be wasting a lynch. And he hasn't posted in the Kpop thread in awhile (20 hours) so he's probably not avoiding this thread for being-mafia-ey reasons. | ||
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On June 08 2010 03:34 MooCow wrote: Voting for Deuce due to his inactivity and he just seems like he doesn't want to be in this game. AND pyr0ma5ta gets banned after my posts on him -_-; Shit I hope pyr0ma5ta can still post in the mafia forum T_T And voting for Deuce because he doesn't want to be in the game is not a good reason. That would imply that he's probably not mafia so we DONT want to lynch him. I'm trying to be civil here rather than yelling at you for saying retarded mafia-like things since your analysis of pyr0 was decent, I hope you appreciate it. I am going to firmly state that I think we should figure out a more juicy target for today's lynching than deuce. If we can't come to somewhat of an agreement, then I am fine with deuce. Maybe we'll get lucky and he'll flip red, meaning he's an absolutely retarded mafia and his team doesn't have control over him. But I find that event rather unlikely. I suggest someone analyzes LunarDestiny's post history. He's had bandwagony voting behavior, namely recently for deuce, and gives a very weak reason for suspecting him as shown in my short exchange with him: AcrossFiveJulys wrote: Then why are you so adamant about lynching deuce? He fits into that same category. Here are a few of your posts trying to get everyone to vote for deuce: On June 07 2010 22:17 AcrossFiveJulys wrote: In the K-pop thread, he has two posts on June 5th and one on June 7th. So basically just one post on teamliquid outside the mafia since the game has really started. I'd hardly call that someone active on TL outside mafia. I really think he's a terrible target at this point. At the moment I'm suspicious of MooCow (less now) and people going after Deuce (8 people voted for him, there could easily be a few mafia mixed in there) because in my eyes he's such an obviously terrible target. And if he flipped green everyone on that list has the excuse that they are promoting active posting and thats why they voted for him. | ||
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On June 08 2010 04:32 zeks wrote: I am 70% sure Deuce will flip green. 1. Hasn't even stood up for himself. 2. The distribution of votes is ridiculously one sided and we still have (8 hours?) to go. 3. Fairly obvious theres a bandwagon going on. I don't remember anyone trying to really "save" Deuce from the lynch from the get go where the first couple of votes started to come in ... except for a brief moment we did have a tie with Gila and Deuce ... then everybody stacked on Deuce. If however he turns red (best case scenario): We should divert our attention to the bottom of the voting list for Deuce and the short Gila list. Look there are at least 3 of us who are against knee-jerk voting for deuce and for finding a more suitable candidate. I'm pretty sure others in the town would be inclined to listen and change their votes if we come up with a better alternative. I've already pointed the finger at one active person, MooCow, but other inactive people like hugoboss, misder, and 3 Lions seem like viable alternatives to deuce (they have at least made a few posts with content which means they might be trying to put on the appearance of contributing while hiding in inactivity). | ||
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On June 08 2010 05:21 YellowInk wrote: Oh, hi Hugoboss21. Voting but no post? Better be hearing from you within the next few minutes. Nice catch. | ||
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What the hell does lynching deuce give us? At best, a red. But we all know that's a fat chance. So most likely he's going to flip green. What information can we glean from that? Not a godamn thing, since everyone voting for him has the excuse that they are trying to take out inactives. Let that fucker rot as dead weight for another day -- if he's town, letting him live isn't hurting us. If we vote MooCow and he flips town, at least there will be some interesting information to analyze afterwards (and I will look suspicious as hell, but I'm willing to take that risk). | ||
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On June 08 2010 06:29 Misder wrote: Question: What is the simple way to finding a specific person's posts on this thread? I think the easiest way is like this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=AcrossFiveJulys Change the username at the end to who you want to search for. You can also go to their public profile and click on their number of posts. | ||
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On June 08 2010 07:14 MooCow wrote: So this is pretty weird imo... After AFJ posts this saying i'm less suspicious and my "analysis" was decent enough for him to not yell at me he does this. You first post about me on page 42 and we currently on page 43. Page 42 - I defend myself Page 43 - I say why i'm suspicious of Zeks and I also say i'm still suspicious of YI but getting less suspicious of Darth. I give my thoughts on pyro and vote for Deuce. I also say i'm suspicious of people with low activity and the people that voted for Gilaboy. Page 45 - I explain clearly why i'm voting for Deuce and not weak targets. So you think one analysis post and changing your behavior to just agreeing with everyone is enough to vindicate you? No sir. The stuff above answers the spoilered posts. Now what's confusing is the time at which you came back to call me out and the people that are voting for me, other than you are DCLXVI and Misder. Both are low posters and posted close to each other. Misder also posts 2 minute right after you saying almost the same thing. You accused LunarDestiny of doing the bandwagon thing and it seems like you're trying to create one right now. Fine, so I've started a bandwagon. There's a difference between a bandwagon based on posting behavior analysis and clue linkage and a bandwagon for in inactive with absolutely no other clues tied to him. The people who changed their vote to you clearly also see through your behavior, and I hope the rest who agree with me aren't too shy to change their vote from useless deuce to you. Please only jump on this bandwagon if you agree with my logic and not because all the cool kids are doing it (which they are >:O). But the most confusing thing is how much you're going after me. If i'm not mafia as you said yourself you'd would look suspicious but maybe you have a plan to come out of it. I'm starting to think you're mafia by trying to create bandwagons and as soon as you posted that the inactive people come in right after. Why would I go balls out and lead an offensive against you if I was mafia? Clearly I am going to be the one blamed if you get hung and flip blue or green. Sacrificing myself as a mafioso just to net one town kill and possibly save mafia deuce (lol) for one day would not be worth it, since either a vigi would nab deuce tonight or he would get hung at some later time after me. I don't have hard evidence against you (just clues and posting behavior) but you are glowing red in my eyes. | ||
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On June 08 2010 07:09 YellowInk wrote: Alright, we're late in day 2 and I'm headed out for a few hours. I'm not sure if I'll be back before close of voting, but even if I am, I probably won't be able to influence it much anymore. So, some parting thoughts. I think that the info on MooCow is insufficient to hang him at this time. Hanging MooCow and finding him town will make a couple people look bad, but not so badly that we could justify hanging them for it. Turning MooCow up red will similarly not implicate anyone all that strongly. Compare this to DeuceGladlier. This is an inactive poster - a strike against him because if we allow posters like this to remain in the game, other posters who may be mafia (eg Hugoboss21, CompX, etc) will have no incentive to post. Deuce may turn up green, but by the very nature that so many people are against hanging this target I am inclined to believe him more likely to be red than when I first voted for him. If he does turn up red, it's going to look very poorly on some people - strongly enough that we may have a real case. Even if it were only randomly likely that Deuce was mafia, he's still the way to go. If we allow this game to be decided by random chance (which is what happens when noone posts), the mafia win the vast majority of games. Yeah? And what happens when he flips green? We get nothing. And this is the more probable outcome as everyone knows. And who's going to look bad if he flips red? Me? If I was mafia I'd be telling that fucktard to get his ass on the forum and give an excuse that his family was killed by an axe murderer to have any chance of him appearing innocent, I sure as hell wouldn't be trying to bail him out when my chance of succeeding is so slim. | ||
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On June 08 2010 09:22 Misder wrote: I just looked at TyranoS_NiveK's profile, and he has barely posted anything. Its already June 7th and almost end of voting. I think that someone said to cut him some slack because of the math competition, but I think that him being inactive plus creating the amiguous profile makes lynching him (if he doesn't get modkilled first) a priority. He even says that he will respond every other day. Maybe there is something wrong in his schedule, but I think its more beneficial if he dies. Ok, this sounds like pro-town behavior. I don't get anything suspicious off this post. This saddens me because I don't want to advocate lynching a townie who may have problems getting on the internet. If he starts posting good analysis and whatnot, then I think it would be a hard decision between him and MooCow. Again, nothing suspicious. I think that he may be pro-town who has internet connections. But this is based on only 4 quotes. I think we need to see more activity from him. PS All my analysis is based on this ambiguity. Now, I am wondering if this is a good case to argue, because if it isn't, everything I've said is pretty useless. Someone want to comment? Nice work Misder. I agree that he seems a bit suspicious, but I'm inclined to buy his math competition excuse for the time being (I think someone outside the game actually came in to say he really is involved in math competition and to cut him some slack till its over). Hope to see him posting again here soon. There is, however, the fact that he's linked to MooCow through the identical profile clue (check out sputnik.theory's post earlier if you missed it) and MooCow is clearly suspicious already. If one of them turns out to be mafia it seems likely the other one is as well. | ||
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On June 07 2010 05:09 MooCow wrote: In one of the mafia threads I think it was some kind of Russian war as soon as the game started 2 guys ( Chizenu(sp) and Mandongo(sp)) started killing each other and everyone seemed confused lol. So he follows mafia threads but is still completely ignorant to rules and still posts like a retard? | ||
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On June 08 2010 10:36 DarthThienAn wrote: *big sigh* one bad option vs the other. Will I regret it if I switch ? lol. If we knew for sure this game wouldn't be too fun, now would it?  | ||
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On June 08 2010 10:47 crate wrote: So he follows mafia threads but is still completely ignorant to rules and still posts like a retard? Uh, dude, did you read that thread? It was a daykill game, it was one with Chezinu, the people playing in the game thought it was a clusterfuck. I think MooCow chancing upon that mafia thread and opening it did him more harm than good. I think MooCow has a way to go to show he's pro-town and he hasn't improved since my post about him, true, but calling him on this is ridiculous.[/QUOTE] You're right, I didn't actually read the russian mafia thread, I assumed it was a reasonable mafia game. But eve so, think about this... how likely is it that that's the only mafia game he ever read? If he chanced upon that one don't you think he probably chanced upon others as well? | ||
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On June 08 2010 10:47 crate wrote: So he follows mafia threads but is still completely ignorant to rules and still posts like a retard? Uh, dude, did you read that thread? It was a daykill game, it was one with Chezinu, the people playing in the game thought it was a clusterfuck. I think MooCow chancing upon that mafia thread and opening it did him more harm than good. I think MooCow has a way to go to show he's pro-town and he hasn't improved since my post about him, true, but calling him on this is ridiculous. You're right, I didn't actually read the russian mafia thread, I assumed it was a reasonable mafia game. But eve so, think about this... how likely is it that that's the only mafia game he ever read? If he chanced upon that one don't you think he probably chanced upon others as well? | ||
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when the night post comes up im either going to fist pump or plan to get myself modkilled! | ||
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On June 08 2010 11:00 crate wrote: Quick question: How does getting yourself killed when you guess wrong ever help your team? Two cases. 1) You are town. You think player A is mafia, you guess wrong. If you now push to get yourself killed, you hurt the town. 2) You are mafia. You claim in the thread that player A is mafia, you guess wrong. If you now push to get yourself killed, you hurt the mafia. Don't pull this stunt, teks was gonna try it in Pyrry's game and I pointed out that this is just shitty play. fine. I'll punch myself in the face instead! | ||
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Can't believe we lost a godamn vigi for inactivity. What kind of fuck gets vigilante and never posts? | ||
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On June 08 2010 11:22 LunarDestiny wrote: Sorry man, I was the last vote. Will probably take a more passive role from now on as my decision making is crap right now. No, I started the bandwagon and ended up trying pretty hard to persuade everybody including you at the end. I'm certainly not going to stop posting and neither should you. | ||
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On June 09 2010 02:10 YellowInk wrote: Asking a vigi to make a hit is like an immediate double lynch. If we weren't ready for that yesterday, how can we even consider it at this juncture where we have no significant leads? Unless you think that by leading the derailing bandwagon it should be on your head? I don't really follow your logic. Look YI, I feel bad about the MooCow situation but I don't think it hurt us any more than lynching deuce would have. I'm not going to be doing things any differently just because of it. My post was more of whether we should ask vigi(s) to hit someone or whether we should ask them to hold off for tonight -- because we've done neither afaik. I would hope that if you are a vigi and are trigger happy tonight you've selected a very good target. Otherwise, as YI said, my opinion is that you hold off. | ||
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I'm trying to finish up some research for an upcoming meeting and then have a beach volleyball playoff game to play. Hope to come back and see mafia got medic blocked | ||
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GL TOWN!! | ||
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