EPTI believe the point of the game is to persuade and con people into believing whatever you say and influence it in your favor from what I see so far.
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MooCow
1434 Posts
I believe the point of the game is to persuade and con people into believing whatever you say and influence it in your favor from what I see so far. | ||
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YellowInk
United States578 Posts
On June 03 2010 13:29 DarthThienAn wrote: I mean, to be fair, all your profile is is you repeating YellowInk over and over. So if the mods were to make a clue, it would be related to... well, YellowInk, not something like swimming or whatever. Until you prove what else the printer explosion could be pointing to, you're definitely suspicious as mafia. Why would we elect you as mayor, if you're suspected to be mafia? ... "If I were mafia, putting myself up like this would probably get me hung on day 2 or 3." Maybe that's what you want. Trade a mafia for a cop and take the mayor spot/protection away? If I were red, a smart cop would not make such a 1 for 1 trade. They would build up their circle first. This is also why they might look elsewhere rather than clean me right away. They would probably rolecheck someone night 1, then maybe clue check me on night 2 or 3 and then either pass on the info to their people, or if they found other mafia, roleclaim and name multiple reds in a single blow. Also, if I were red, I would be much more likely to survive longer if I had deflected or otherwise laid low (though not too low - contributing to discussion appropriately). This would keep the mafia KP higher for longer. By putting myself up for mayor I'm much more likely to get investigated by one or more of the DTs in the early game. And since I am pro town, they'll then be able to trust me with all of the knowledge they dig up and we'll be able to plan from there. They won't be able to do this with other mayors - unless they just trust and hope for the best. This is why I make an excellent mayoral candidate. | ||
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YellowInk
United States578 Posts
On June 03 2010 13:55 MTF wrote: I have a problem with this logic being used as your selling point. Primarily because it is operating under several assumptions: 1. There are clues in the opening post. 2. That specific (and too obvious) clue would have to point to you. 3. No other (more vague) clues could. That said, you seem alright so far. Just saying that the logic behind this particular point doesn't flesh out well. MTF, you have helped lay out the assumptions pretty clearly. It's true that I am making these assumptions. It's also true that nothing will be 100% certain. However, if I were red, I would be petrified of having the hot ink clue linked to me. Since I know I'm town, I know this clue isn't linked to me and I will come up clear. This is why I'm able to be so aggressive about it with confidence. | ||
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DarthThienAn
United States2734 Posts
On June 03 2010 14:01 YellowInk wrote: If I were red, a smart cop would not make such a 1 for 1 trade. They would build up their circle first. This is also why they might look elsewhere rather than clean me right away. They would probably rolecheck someone night 1, then maybe clue check me on night 2 or 3 and then either pass on the info to their people, or if they found other mafia, roleclaim and name multiple reds in a single blow. Also, if I were red, I would be much more likely to survive longer if I had deflected or otherwise laid low (though not too low - contributing to discussion appropriately). This would keep the mafia KP higher for longer. By putting myself up for mayor I'm much more likely to get investigated by one or more of the DTs in the early game. And since I am pro town, they'll then be able to trust me with all of the knowledge they dig up and we'll be able to plan from there. They won't be able to do this with other mayors - unless they just trust and hope for the best. This is why I make an excellent mayoral candidate. Personally, I think a cop would just straight up role check you, or someone else linked to clues. No reason to "save" your rolechecks, since you might die at any point, unless you have a very strong cluecheck. And I mean, the whole, "if you were red" part proves my point doesn't it o.O. A cop would be forced to out you at some point and in the process out themselves. Mafia WANT the 1 for 1 trade, even if it potentially cuts back their kp, it keeps the rest of the crew alive longer. | ||
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Hugoboss21
France346 Posts
MTF, you have helped lay out the assumptions pretty clearly. It's true that I am making these assumptions. It's also true that nothing will be 100% certain. However, if I were red, I would be petrified of having the hot ink clue linked to me. Since I know I'm town, I know this clue isn't linked to me and I will come up clear. This is why I'm able to be so aggressive about it with confidence. Is anyone else is linked to that murder? Would be risky to vote for you as mayor =/ | ||
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onihunter
United States515 Posts
However, if we just choose someone who isn't linked to any clues yet, thats about an 80% chance he won't be Mafia--which is much higher than my confidence level about YellowInk. | ||
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onihunter
United States515 Posts
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YellowInk
United States578 Posts
On June 03 2010 14:07 DarthThienAn wrote: Personally, I think a cop would just straight up role check you, or someone else linked to clues. No reason to "save" your rolechecks, since you might die at any point, unless you have a very strong cluecheck. And I mean, the whole, "if you were red" part proves my point doesn't it o.O. A cop would be forced to out you at some point and in the process out themselves. Mafia WANT the 1 for 1 trade, even if it potentially cuts back their kp, it keeps the rest of the crew alive longer. From what I've read of your posting style so far, Darth, I think you're town. However this last post makes me wonder a bit. I just pointed out how if I get elected mayor and I am red, the cop will *not* need to 1 for 1 trade with me as you indicated. The cop will still get probably at least 2 red kills or have an otherwise effective inner circle. I'm not sure what else I can add to the argument, I'd just suggest you give the DT's strategy in such a position a little more thought. | ||
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MTF
United States1739 Posts
On June 03 2010 14:04 YellowInk wrote: It's true that I am making these assumptions. It's also true that nothing will be 100% certain. However, if I were red, I would be petrified of having the hot ink clue linked to me. Since I know I'm town, I know this clue isn't linked to me and I will come up clear. This is why I'm able to be so aggressive about it with confidence. True. You reason well, which certainly earns you some of my favor.  No voting from me until I see more discussion and runners, though. On June 03 2010 14:17 onihunter wrote: ok guys, I'm going to bed; probably going to wake up to tons of reading material at the rate that this is going =PP Mafia is more or less a giant, confusing reading assignment any time you are away for several hours. :p | ||
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YellowInk
United States578 Posts
Remember that the mafia talk to each other and are able to work as a team from the get go. They're able to instill some subtle groupthink if you're not careful. Always remember who is talking as you read and keep your thought process malleable to figure out why people might be saying what they do. I know I'm town. None of you do - yet. I propose that my position with respect to having the single clear clue pointed at me puts me in a good place to be mayor because it means you'll never have to wonder if I'm red. If I am red, I will be outed, and my position as mayor will not protect me from that. With others, the office would serve to conceal that they are scum. With that, I'm off for a bit since it seems many of the players are heading to bed (as I should be as well). Vote YellowInk for Mayor! (: | ||
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Thegilaboy
United States2018 Posts
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MTF
United States1739 Posts
On June 03 2010 14:30 YellowInk wrote: To the populace at large, I would keep a close eye on who is saying what here. No matter whether I get elected or not, there's either some flawed thinking or scum thought process going on. Judge for yourself how the game could turn out in various situations. Remember that the mafia talk to each other and are able to work as a team from the get go. They're able to instill some subtle groupthink if you're not careful. Always remember who is talking as you read and keep your thought process malleable to figure out why people might be saying what they do. I know I'm town. None of you do - yet. I propose that my position with respect to having the single clear clue pointed at me puts me in a good place to be mayor because it means you'll never have to wonder if I'm red. If I am red, I will be outed, and my position as mayor will not protect me from that. With others, the office would serve to conceal that they are scum. While I still don't agree with last portion, definitely pay close attention to the first two paragraphs people. Whether blue, green, or red this is sound advice. I, too, strongly encourage all players to observe with a critical eye the posts of, and relationships between users, as well as keep documentation for yourself somewhere of such things. It is quite easy to forget (or be lazy about) information which can be gleaned early on from such interactions. I should know, having been guilty of that pretty much every time I've ever played. >.> (working on it) | ||
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littlechava
United States7218 Posts
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DarthThienAn
United States2734 Posts
On June 03 2010 14:20 YellowInk wrote: From what I've read of your posting style so far, Darth, I think you're town. However this last post makes me wonder a bit. I just pointed out how if I get elected mayor and I am red, the cop will *not* need to 1 for 1 trade with me as you indicated. The cop will still get probably at least 2 red kills or have an otherwise effective inner circle. I'm not sure what else I can add to the argument, I'd just suggest you give the DT's strategy in such a position a little more thought. No, I understand that. And yeah, that's what a smart cop will do. But at the same time - assuming you are red and become mayor and get clue checked at some point in the first few nights - finding mafia is a shot in the dark for cops. They'd have to wait until they have a second person, or enough innocent names, to roleclaim + trade. That might be too late into the game to work. We also don't want our cops (assuming we have more than 1) double checking you when they could be checking other ppl =[. What I just remembered is that we have medics, which makes this gambit of yours a little more in your favor - but that also requires roleclaiming that we don't want, at least not until we lynch some mafia to cut down their kp a bit. And, I think a lot of us, like me, are EDT time, and will be sleeping, so, don't expect too much when you wake up ^^. | ||
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
the poem in my profile. Don't forget flamehwheel doesn't know what it means either  I don't really know who here is a good player or not so for now, I'm going to just watch the mayoral election race. Good luck to all the (town) candidates though.Also, I have a double shift to work today so I won't be back for a good few hours after I post this. I'm not lurking on purpose, I swear. | ||
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ElyAs
France205 Posts
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flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
On June 03 2010 14:49 littlechava wrote: Yeah, I completely underestimated the amount of activity for this game+the amount of documentation it'd take to keep it all straight. Guess that's what summer's for! I'll be working on it/posting more tomorrow. Yeah, like I said there's a lot of reading. I was kind of overwhelmed my first game too. Takes getting used to. Also, just to clarify since it has no relevance on the game itself, I always kill myself with lightning. And flames are red. I was going to put a "no clues beyond this point" before my death like Incognito does for his death posts, but due to time constraints I wasn't able to. Sorry for any confusion. | ||
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
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ElyAs
France205 Posts
On June 03 2010 14:28 MTF wrote: No voting from me until I see more discussion and runners, though. Can you tell us more about the fact that you want more runners ? As the scums are likely to vote for one of them, if we have too many runners it can be detrimental imo. | ||
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LunarDestiny
United States4177 Posts
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