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pics yo. It's the same for TyranoS's. A bit of a stretch, but I mean, the clues aren't meant to be like "OH A SITH CAME AND KILLED THE CUTEY FLAMEY." lol.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 03 2010 12:04 zeks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2010 09:53 zeks wrote:On June 01 2010 23:47 flamewheel wrote:
BC and I will let you know when the game is ready to begin. Now that players have been finalized, we will be choosing roles and writing clues.
"Choosing roles" mean the mods handpicked the players to have roles? I don't have a problem with that, just wanted to clarify. Although flame hasn't said anything I'm pretty sure my assumption that mods pick each of the players roles is correct. In that case I present to you my conjecture: This mafia game was meant to welcome new players to mafia. However, with the large amount of new players, the game runs the risk of having too many inactives (we've had problems like that in the past). If I were a mod I'd definitely make sure I would have a couple proven active vets as mafia just to make sure that 1. Mafia is active and talking to each other 2. Mafia isn't made up of a bunch of complete newbies and end up getting destroyed Anyways the point of this is to take notice of the vets (theres only a couple) and what they do from this point forward. You can bet that one (or a couple of them) are the masterminds behind mafia controlling all the newbies and thats what will make the mafia dangerous.
Actually, a lot of mods go random with their roles and setups... I know Ace and Caller did in their past few games. Can't speak for flamewheeel though, never asked.
On that note, I think it's likely that a "vet" is mafia, just because of the numbers. We have ~8-10 returning mafia players, so I mean, 6/30 are mafia, pretty good odds that there are vets in the mafia circle.
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ebwop:
What a cool thread! (the name thread) never saw this before lol. Anyone we know in there? (I just posted)
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On June 03 2010 12:18 DarthThienAn wrote:pics yo. It's the same for TyranoS's. A bit of a stretch, but I mean, the clues aren't meant to be like "OH A SITH CAME AND KILLED THE CUTEY FLAMEY." lol. + Show Spoiler +On June 03 2010 12:04 zeks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2010 09:53 zeks wrote:On June 01 2010 23:47 flamewheel wrote:
BC and I will let you know when the game is ready to begin. Now that players have been finalized, we will be choosing roles and writing clues.
"Choosing roles" mean the mods handpicked the players to have roles? I don't have a problem with that, just wanted to clarify. Although flame hasn't said anything I'm pretty sure my assumption that mods pick each of the players roles is correct. In that case I present to you my conjecture: This mafia game was meant to welcome new players to mafia. However, with the large amount of new players, the game runs the risk of having too many inactives (we've had problems like that in the past). If I were a mod I'd definitely make sure I would have a couple proven active vets as mafia just to make sure that 1. Mafia is active and talking to each other 2. Mafia isn't made up of a bunch of complete newbies and end up getting destroyed Anyways the point of this is to take notice of the vets (theres only a couple) and what they do from this point forward. You can bet that one (or a couple of them) are the masterminds behind mafia controlling all the newbies and thats what will make the mafia dangerous. Actually, a lot of mods go random with their roles and setups... I know Ace and Caller did in their past few games. Can't speak for flamewheeel though, never asked. On that note, I think it's likely that a "vet" is mafia, just because of the numbers. We have ~8-10 returning mafia players, so I mean, 6/30 are mafia, pretty good odds that there are vets in the mafia circle.
With 8-10 returning mafia, we'd only expect 1 vet by probability. And flamewheel specifically said BC and him chose roles.
So far everyones connecting clues to everyone and its starting to get confusing. If someone could compile a "master-list" of clues that would be awesome.
We should start the discussion of electing mayor/pardoner.
For the record, I am running for mayor. Unfortunately I don't have time to address my campaign tonight...I'll get that done tomorrow. Hopefully by then most of us will have spoken (there are a couple people that I'm waiting to hear from in this thread).
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flamewheel always dies by lightning at the beginning of the day though, i think (from other mafia games). so im not sure that lightning is a clue.
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Characteristics of Incognito/BC still count as clues right? These connections may be farfetched, but here goes my contribution as far as the clues go:
Based on this part: "Incognito the Pardoner, through his tremendous intuition, had sensed that something was to go down last night. Whilst in his office finishing his work, he deflected no less than five assassination attempts, ranging from sniffing poison in his coffee cup to leaping out of the
way from a thrown knife while walking down the hallway. Dedicated and passionate to his job,
Incognito would not let any threat deter him from furthering the prosperity of the town."
Zeks profile has a pic of Shikamaru, who in the series is known for being extremely
intelligent/intuitive. AcrossFiveJulys' profile has the quote "obstacles in life are like
weights in the gym..." which could possibly relate to the dedication and passion of Incognito.
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On June 03 2010 12:37 Misder wrote:
flamewheel always dies by lightning at the beginning of the day though, i think (from other mafia games). so im not sure that lightning is a clue.
I dont think so either and flamewheel flipped red
unless mafia can kill their own now
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I am running for mayor.
I have something that puts me a solid head above any other - and any townie that is considering running for mayor should give this serious thought before putting their name up in competition. I can be cleaned while in office. That there was a clear and obvious 'hot ink' clue puts me in a unique position to show that I am aligned with the town. Since I am sure I am town, I know the clue does not point to me and a clue check here will turn up negative. If I were mafia I could not be so confident - and continuing to draw attention to this fact would get me lynched as soon as the DT got around to checking it.
One of the worst things that can happen to town on day 1 is to have a mafia mayor that we have no way to investigate. I welcome a DT to go ahead and clean me on night 1, but that choice is of course up to the DT. I'd rather be investigating potential mafia, but there is value to be gained in knowing you can trust me completely as well.
So vote YellowInk for mayor.
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Can a mafia member be voted in as mayor?
During the voting can the public vote to kill the mayor?
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On June 03 2010 12:57 MooCow wrote:
Can a mafia member be voted in as mayor?
I think so. If YellowInk was mayor then it would be impossible for a rolecheck.
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On June 03 2010 13:03 littlechava wrote:I think so. If YellowInk was mayor then it would be impossible for a rolecheck.
Right. And I could also be voted for a lynching. The mayor is immune to hits and rolechecks. The mayor is not immune to clue checks which is why I am able to be cleaned.
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On June 03 2010 12:56 YellowInk wrote:
I am running for mayor.
I have something that puts me a solid head above any other - and any townie that is considering running for mayor should give this serious thought before putting their name up in competition. I can be cleaned while in office. That there was a clear and obvious 'hot ink' clue puts me in a unique position to show that I am aligned with the town. Since I am sure I am town, I know the clue does not point to me and a clue check here will turn up negative. If I were mafia I could not be so confident - and continuing to draw attention to this fact would get me lynched as soon as the DT got around to checking it.
One of the worst things that can happen to town on day 1 is to have a mafia mayor that we have no way to investigate. I welcome a DT to go ahead and clean me on night 1, but that choice is of course up to the DT. I'd rather be investigating potential mafia, but there is value to be gained in knowing you can trust me completely as well.
So vote YellowInk for mayor.
Even if the clue turns negative you're not clear at ALL. You said it yourself that it was a clear and obvious clue...its Day 1. I think we all should know better than to base all our suspicions on clues only. Besides I think that clue is way too obvious to be you.
I'd advise the DTs to actually start role-checking right away. You only have 3 role checks so use them as quick as possible (and as wisely as possible). Also mafia has a killing power of 3 so use your role checks before you get picked off. Also you can't use rolechecks on consecutive days either.
Once the DT has clearly identified the role of someone then they can start an inner circle and start from there. The only risk this strategy runs into is if they somehow check the Godfather...but thats a risk I'm willing to take since its 1/30 chance you somehow role-check the GF
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I see, this is my first time playing, so it would be really important to get a DT or someone to check the potential mayor candidates before we vote them in right?
If the DT's find anything can it be told to the public or is it private information?
Looking at everything so far Zeks seems like a potential mafia and there's too little info for Yellowink.
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On June 03 2010 12:51 zeks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2010 12:37 Misder wrote:
flamewheel always dies by lightning at the beginning of the day though, i think (from other mafia games). so im not sure that lightning is a clue.
I dont think so either and flamewheel flipped red unless mafia can kill their own now
Mafia can kill their own, pretty sure flamewheel has it in the OP, and i think one more mayor candidate would be good, maybe someone who doesnt have clues linking to them so far, no offense. We still have time though.
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On June 03 2010 13:06 MooCow wrote:
I see, this is my first time playing, so it would be really important to get a DT or someone to check the potential mayor candidates before we vote them in right?
If the DT's find anything can it be told to the public or is it private information?
Looking at everything so far Zeks seems like a potential mafia and there's too little info for Yellowink.
You can't check the mayor with a DT because he is selected before night and DT's can't use their role-check before night.
Thus we have to believe from the get go that the mayor/pardoner we elect is not red.
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On June 03 2010 12:46 littlechava wrote:
Characteristics of Incognito/BC still count as clues right? These connections may be farfetched, but here goes my contribution as far as the clues go:
Based on this part: "Incognito the Pardoner, through his tremendous intuition, had sensed that something was to go down last night. Whilst in his office finishing his work, he deflected no less than five assassination attempts, ranging from sniffing poison in his coffee cup to leaping out of the
way from a thrown knife while walking down the hallway. Dedicated and passionate to his job,
Incognito would not let any threat deter him from furthering the prosperity of the town."
Zeks profile has a pic of Shikamaru, who in the series is known for being extremely
intelligent/intuitive. AcrossFiveJulys' profile has the quote "obstacles in life are like
weights in the gym..." which could possibly relate to the dedication and passion of Incognito.
Right now most of the connections are tenuous at best. After reading it several times, AcrossFiveJuly's profile is pretty interesting, but I don't know how deeply you can read into it. While I like the thinking, I find connecting Incognito's characteristics to that of his (potential) mafia assassin is a bit of a stretch (unless you're saying that the mafia take after the people they kill?). I'm not too familiar with anime, so I don't feel qualified to comment on Zeks profile picture.
As this being my first time playing mafia on-line, I'm pretty excited.
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Ok I just read everything that was posted thus far and obviously noted my suspicious status. Fair accusation, since my profile does indeed seem to be related. I'm not exactly sure what I could say to mitigate suspicion due to the nature of this game, but there are plenty of targets so I'm not especially worried =X
DarthThienAn's post is a good list of clues linked to profiles. I suppose we could just pick from that when the time comes (with of course additional people that we link).
This is my first time reading, but wow, tons of reading within like 2 hours :O. The OP was def not exaggerating, but this has been rly interesting + fun.
Clarification: we only vote for mayor tonight right? No lynches?
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On June 03 2010 13:06 zeks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2010 12:56 YellowInk wrote:
I am running for mayor.
I have something that puts me a solid head above any other - and any townie that is considering running for mayor should give this serious thought before putting their name up in competition. I can be cleaned while in office. That there was a clear and obvious 'hot ink' clue puts me in a unique position to show that I am aligned with the town. Since I am sure I am town, I know the clue does not point to me and a clue check here will turn up negative. If I were mafia I could not be so confident - and continuing to draw attention to this fact would get me lynched as soon as the DT got around to checking it.
One of the worst things that can happen to town on day 1 is to have a mafia mayor that we have no way to investigate. I welcome a DT to go ahead and clean me on night 1, but that choice is of course up to the DT. I'd rather be investigating potential mafia, but there is value to be gained in knowing you can trust me completely as well.
So vote YellowInk for mayor. Even if the clue turns negative you're not clear at ALL. You said it yourself that it was a clear and obvious clue...its Day 1. I think we all should know better than to base all our suspicions on clues only. Besides I think that clue is way too obvious to be you. I'd advise the DTs to actually start role-checking right away. You only have 3 role checks so use them as quick as possible (and as wisely as possible). Also mafia has a killing power of 3 so use your role checks before you get picked off. Also you can't use rolechecks on consecutive days either. Once the DT has clearly identified the role of someone then they can start an inner circle and start from there. The only risk this strategy runs into is if they somehow check the Godfather...but thats a risk I'm willing to take since its 1/30 chance you somehow role-check the GF
Have you looked at my profile? There's nothing else in the entire opening flavor even close to linking to me, so if there's a clue pointing my way, it's the hot ink. If I were mafia, putting myself up like this would probably get me hung on day 2 or 3.
Contrast this to anyone else who could run for mayor. There would be no way to even get close to cleaning them. If a mafia ends up winning this election, immune to rolechecks and no way to even try to investigate them, it can be absolutely devastating.
Also, the DT can't use rolecheck 3 days in a row, but they can rolecheck consecutive nights. Your misquote of the rules makes me suspicious as to whether this was intentionally misleading or simply an error. I surely hope the real DTs read their roles carefully.
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On June 03 2010 13:06 zeks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2010 12:56 YellowInk wrote:
I am running for mayor.
I have something that puts me a solid head above any other - and any townie that is considering running for mayor should give this serious thought before putting their name up in competition. I can be cleaned while in office. That there was a clear and obvious 'hot ink' clue puts me in a unique position to show that I am aligned with the town. Since I am sure I am town, I know the clue does not point to me and a clue check here will turn up negative. If I were mafia I could not be so confident - and continuing to draw attention to this fact would get me lynched as soon as the DT got around to checking it.
One of the worst things that can happen to town on day 1 is to have a mafia mayor that we have no way to investigate. I welcome a DT to go ahead and clean me on night 1, but that choice is of course up to the DT. I'd rather be investigating potential mafia, but there is value to be gained in knowing you can trust me completely as well.
So vote YellowInk for mayor. Even if the clue turns negative you're not clear at ALL. You said it yourself that it was a clear and obvious clue...its Day 1. I think we all should know better than to base all our suspicions on clues only. Besides I think that clue is way too obvious to be you. I'd advise the DTs to actually start role-checking right away. You only have 3 role checks so use them as quick as possible (and as wisely as possible). Also mafia has a killing power of 3 so use your role checks before you get picked off. Also you can't use rolechecks on consecutive days either. Once the DT has clearly identified the role of someone then they can start an inner circle and start from there. The only risk this strategy runs into is if they somehow check the Godfather...but thats a risk I'm willing to take since its 1/30 chance you somehow role-check the GF
That and role checking a miller might delay that strategy.
And this can always clear YellowInk (for that one bit about the hot ink) if he becomes mayor:
2. Does X contain a clue that points to Y? (Where X is part of a Day post and Y is a player's name) (called a "Clue Check")
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We should get a couple candidates to put themselves up for pardoner. If you think you're in a good position to make a case for yourself as one, put your name out there.
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On June 03 2010 13:18 YellowInk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2010 13:06 zeks wrote:On June 03 2010 12:56 YellowInk wrote:
I am running for mayor.
I have something that puts me a solid head above any other - and any townie that is considering running for mayor should give this serious thought before putting their name up in competition. I can be cleaned while in office. That there was a clear and obvious 'hot ink' clue puts me in a unique position to show that I am aligned with the town. Since I am sure I am town, I know the clue does not point to me and a clue check here will turn up negative. If I were mafia I could not be so confident - and continuing to draw attention to this fact would get me lynched as soon as the DT got around to checking it.
One of the worst things that can happen to town on day 1 is to have a mafia mayor that we have no way to investigate. I welcome a DT to go ahead and clean me on night 1, but that choice is of course up to the DT. I'd rather be investigating potential mafia, but there is value to be gained in knowing you can trust me completely as well.
So vote YellowInk for mayor. Even if the clue turns negative you're not clear at ALL. You said it yourself that it was a clear and obvious clue...its Day 1. I think we all should know better than to base all our suspicions on clues only. Besides I think that clue is way too obvious to be you. I'd advise the DTs to actually start role-checking right away. You only have 3 role checks so use them as quick as possible (and as wisely as possible). Also mafia has a killing power of 3 so use your role checks before you get picked off. Also you can't use rolechecks on consecutive days either. Once the DT has clearly identified the role of someone then they can start an inner circle and start from there. The only risk this strategy runs into is if they somehow check the Godfather...but thats a risk I'm willing to take since its 1/30 chance you somehow role-check the GF Have you looked at my profile? There's nothing else in the entire opening flavor even close to linking to me, so if there's a clue pointing my way, it's the hot ink. If I were mafia, putting myself up like this would probably get me hung on day 2 or 3. Contrast this to anyone else who could run for mayor. There would be no way to even get close to cleaning them. If a mafia ends up winning this election, immune to rolechecks and no way to even try to investigate them, it can be absolutely devastating. Also, the DT can't use rolecheck 3 days in a row, but they can rolecheck consecutive nights. Your misquote of the rules makes me suspicious as to whether this was intentionally misleading or simply an error. I surely hope the real DTs read their roles carefully.
They can rolecheck consecutive nights now? I bolded the parts you were talking about. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Detective
You have the ability to make night investigations. Once per night phase, you may PM me to ask one of the following, which I will answer:
1. Does X contain a clue? (Where X is part of a Day post) (called a "Clue Check")
2. Does X contain a clue that points to Y? (Where X is part of a Day post and Y is a player's name) (called a "Clue Check")
3. What is Y's role? (Where Y is a player's role) (called a "Role Check")
X can be no larger than one sentence.
Only 3 Role Checks may be performed per DT per game. You may not use more than 2 Role Checks in a row. Clue checks have unlimited uses.
My point is that you can turn negative from that clue check with the printer ink, but you can still be positive from another clue check down the road.
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