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Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
May 17 2010 20:23 GMT
#167
That does sound like splendid idea. I will be willing to give my armies to different candidate should he make convincing argument about his target and reason behind it.
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
May 17 2010 20:30 GMT
#168
There are one thing I want clarification for. Does any of the 'army givers' (Radfield, BrownBear, me) have any intention to nominate themselves as the 'leader' should some people start throwing votes toward you? If all 'army givers' relinquish desire to be winner of this voting, then we can make this voting process efficient by splitting the players into two camps; army givers and leaders. Of course you are free to choose or change your camp anytime as long as you clearly state your intention to do so. The benefit of this is that this will prevent a waste of vote where player A votes for player B who has no desire to be leader in the first place.

What do you think about this idea?
And if you like this idea, can you state which camp you belong to?

As for me, I am army giver.
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
May 17 2010 22:05 GMT
#176
On May 18 2010 06:57 Trezeguet23 wrote:
Not to be dumb or a mafia newbie (I am both) but does the game start with a lynching and then go to night?

Yep. All of Mafia TL games were day-start in my memory. Not to nitpick or anything, but calling the voting process lynching is somewhat misleading

What qualities or plan do you hope to see from the lyncher? Also, do you intend to support leading candidates or step up to the plate for yourself?
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
May 17 2010 22:23 GMT
#187
I am assuming he is He Jin sort of character who has side-win condition of Yellow Turban extermination, and is provided with the list of possible "culprits" rather than abilities. This makes sense because Yellow Turbans are unrecruitable, making them the most dangerous force in this game. If so, I recommend him getting his lists out since it is pro-town to do so, and Yellow Turban no longer has motivation to target BM with list already open.
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
May 17 2010 22:38 GMT
#190
@Radfield
I feel that your policy is something all of us can get behind, and is more likely to be seen as "neutral" instead of favouring certain power. However, how long are you intending to follow lynch lurkers policy? Until all the lurkers are eliminated, right?
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
May 17 2010 22:44 GMT
#192
On May 18 2010 07:41 Korynne wrote:
Not sure if Caller is into this (I didn't ask him), but I volunteer myself up for replacing inactives if hosts feel like not modkilling so much.

yay thank you! Two mods mean more faster & efficient game than one mods after all. I am guessing you got the role-list, right? Also, can you prioritize replacement over modkills? Modkill hurt the game so much it isn't even funny
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
May 17 2010 23:04 GMT
#196
Oooops~ *cowers in embarrassment*
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
May 17 2010 23:20 GMT
#201
On May 18 2010 08:13 Scamp wrote:
I will vote for anyone who agrees to kill Hesmyrr.

wrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
May 18 2010 00:23 GMT
#206
All right
Unvote
##Vote: Radfield

If BM posts his list, we can ask Radfield to just follow through it. Will change my vote if the BM clarification demands otherwise however.
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
May 18 2010 14:01 GMT
#255
On May 18 2010 22:59 XeliN wrote:
Also would like to know what happens if:

Someone is recruited into a faction, lets say the Blue one. Then the next night 2 of the other factions attempt to recruit the same person.

It seems fairly obvious that in such a case it would be cancelled out and they would stay blue but just to double check.

If a player is recruited by multiple faction leaders at the same time, they all cancel out.

heil Caller
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
May 18 2010 17:43 GMT
#267
I disagree with Xelin's opinion. Yellow Turban is highly dangerous, and its leader should be found and killed at every given opportunity. Let me illustrate why; Yellow Turban can recruit one player every night- and at every day we can only lynch one player! That means even at worst scenario Yellow Turbans will break even. In case of other three factions, its players can be recruited which prevent them from above scenario. But when Yellow Turban recruits someone, it's for keeps. Which mean Yellow Turban is like a cancer to us, we can possibly stop its growth but we cannot destroy or diminish it's power without using exceptional means. I feel that Yellow Turban leaders understand this and is trying very hard to avoid catching town's attention, which is why I highly agree with lurker lynches.

Despite, this is indeed first time Trez has joined to play mafia. If he is eager like me he should have at least posted once in this thread by now- so why is he lurking? Because he wants to avoid town's attention, that is why. I specifically mentioned Trez as example, but my FoS points to all of the lurkers and semi-lurkers out there. Let me proclaim that you cannot hide.
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
May 18 2010 18:20 GMT
#276
On May 19 2010 03:17 Fishball wrote:
So do the players ever know which leader recruited them?
Do the leaders know what powers the players have when he/she recruited them?
Since enemy players can be recruited, that means a player can be "recruited" back and forth? If this is the case, is this game mainly a war among the 4 leaders and the rest are just chess pieces?

Well, he will know the faction he is in. But Caller said the recruited member will not know any of his comrades.
Ask Caller.
Exactly, this is basically a cult game.
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
May 18 2010 18:33 GMT
#280
On May 19 2010 03:24 Fishball wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2010 03:20 Hesmyrr wrote:
On May 19 2010 03:17 Fishball wrote:
So do the players ever know which leader recruited them?
Do the leaders know what powers the players have when he/she recruited them?
Since enemy players can be recruited, that means a player can be "recruited" back and forth? If this is the case, is this game mainly a war among the 4 leaders and the rest are just chess pieces?

Well, he will know the faction he is in. But Caller said the recruited member will not know any of his comrades.
Ask Caller.
Exactly, this is basically a cult game.


Well, I posted here just so Caller can answer all these questions up front.
The answers will change a lot of things, and I have plenty of follow up questions to ask depending on the answers.

you should really pm Caller directly then, to catch his attention. I was pretty much confused because of that lol
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
May 18 2010 19:54 GMT
#290
On May 19 2010 04:47 BrownBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2010 04:23 XeliN wrote:
BrownBear catchup, same challenge to you, provide one coherent argument for why a unaligned (as most of us are) townie ought to try to vote for a suspected yellow at this stage.

Otherwise there is no reason to do so and I would go back to the inactive//Abenson idea purely for reasons of game quality.


The way I see it, every night, 3 people are recruited to the 3 main factions, and one is recruited to the Yellow Turbans. Naturally, there will be some overlap, occasionally two factions will try to recruit the same person and bounce, that kind of thing, but for the most part this will hold true.

There are 24 people in the game, meaning that the pool of recruitable people is 20. The YT leader has a 3 in 20 chance of screwing up and getting his entire faction killed if he picks completely randomly, which he will not do, so it's fairly safe to say that he is not going to recruit a faction leader unless he gets very unlucky or reads someone completely wrong. Thus, the pool of potential recruits for each of the 3 main factions is going to decrease by 1 person a night.

Now, humor me for a second, and lets run through a sample situation. For this, let's assume (even though this won't be true) that each faction leader picks a different person each night, and no two people pick the same person in one night, so 4 people are getting recruited per night. Let's also assume that each faction leader is smart and can figure out who their rivals are, so no faction leaders are picked to recruit.

The first night, everyone is able to pick, no trouble, so there's one person dead from the "lynch" during the day, there are 15 unaligned, and 2 people in every faction (counting the faction leaders).

The second day, let's say another unaligned person is lynched, as this is the most likely occurence. Then, another round of recruitment happens as normal, so there are 2 dead players, 11 unaligned, and 3 per faction.

The third day, lets say a green guy gets lynched, as it's now more likely that someone in a faction is going to be lynched than an unaligned player. Then, at night, let's say Red tries to recruit a Yellow, so fails (I assume he gets a message saying "You cant recruit that player" or something similar), Blue recruits an unaligned, Green recruits a Blue, and Yellow recruits an unaligned. So now we have 9 unaligned players, 3 Red players, 3 Blue players, 3 Green players, and 4 yellow players.

The fourth day, just for kicks, an unaligned player gets killed. At night, Yellow recruits a Blue, Red recruits a Blue, Blue recruits an Unaligned, and Green recruits a Red. So now we have 7 unaligned, 3 Reds, 2 Blues, 4 Greens, and 5 Yellows.

See where I'm going with this? Obviously, I ignored some things such as nightkills and assumed some things that probably won't happen with this game, but my point is: The Yellow Turbans are the most likely to get very strong very quickly, unless we harass them early. In the example above, the Yellow Turbans now have the largest voting bloc in the game, so assuming the YT leader has been reading the thread, he can now get people to start bandwagons, and begin targeting people who he thinks are faction leaders, as he will have enough armies to overcome their natural defense. Because unaligned players will probably just be bandwagoning with the biggest voting bloc, this can become a major issue very quickly.

Of course, the YT leader could, at any point, accidentally try to recruit a faction leader and screw himself over, but I really don't think this is likely to happen. The way I see it, I have a very small chance of becoming a Yellow Turban for a while, as they only get 1 person per night, and I have a much larger chance of becoming part of one of the other factions, since they get up to 3 per night. Since I'll obviously want whatever faction I'm part of to win, I want the Yellow Turbans dead, even though I'm currently not part of any faction. Thus, I'm going to say, I will switch my vote off of Radfield if anyone explicitly says they will be gunning for Yellow Turbans with the daykill if they get it.

There's my argument.

This. I'm impressed that someone actually went through the calculations. It is in benefit of everyone to get YT except the YT themselves.
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
May 18 2010 20:58 GMT
#300
...:O I didn't even realize the PM advantage YT had. Also, Caller, seriously? I won't even know what I am?
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
May 18 2010 21:08 GMT
#302
Okay, guys.
On May 19 2010 04:50 Caller wrote:
a) no, they don't even know that they are recruited. The only one that gets any confirmation is the leader.

This is critical. The fact you don't even know which side you are working for - and I promise you nobody but YT will inform the "victim" of their target - is highly disadvantageous for us neutrals. Hell, you may be playing game as usual when BAM! faction leader being an idiot gets himself killed, and who suffers for it? Us! Do you want to suffer such ignominy? I tell you not! Eighteen other neutrals listening to my voice, ponder my speech.

I will tell you of an way out. We will rebel against the injustice and wrestle control of the game out of these so-called leader's grasps. I propose...

NEUTRAL REVOLUTION

Take note of the winning condition Caller has listed:
Victory is attained when one faction outnumbers all the other factions.

On May 11 2010 15:23 Caller wrote:
i should probably specify that when i say outnumber all other groups, i mean that one group has more than 50% of the total player population.


You know what this means? Even when there is one faction leader remaining, as long as he doesn't overwhelm us, he can't win. Let's pull a Battler and turn around the chessboard. What do you see?

I see a four cult game, with us neutrals as Townies.

Let me stress that.

OUR PRIORITY AS NEUTRALS IS TO HUNT DOWN THE FOUR FACTION LEADERS, AND KILL THEM ALL. THEN IT WILL BE "TOWN" VICTORY, SINCE NEUTRALS (TOWN) IS THE ONLY FACTION REMAINING.

This plan is beneficial for all of us, this is the plan that makes sense, and this is EXACTLY what we should be doing. Neutrals, we are no longer neutrals. We are now comrades fighting for mutual victory, struggling against the tyranny of the cults awaiting us. Hereby I dedicate myself into finding, and killing, all the leader in this game. Who agrees with me?!?!?
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
May 18 2010 21:20 GMT
#304
Following is how our veterans's prophercy of approaching manipulation and exploitation.

Exhibit A
On May 19 2010 05:56 Radfield wrote:
So if I'm reading this right, townies will never know for sure that they've ever been recruited? Sure a leader might tell us we're on team A or team B, but we'll have no idea if they're lying or not. So essentially, we never become part of a team?

If that's the case, how can the 19 townies ever make any real decisions? How will we even know if we're winning or losing?


Exhibit B
On May 19 2010 03:17 Fishball wrote:
Since enemy players can be recruited, that means a player can be "recruited" back and forth? If this is the case, is this game mainly a war among the 4 leaders and the rest are just chess pieces?


Stand up for yourself. Kill Faction leaders.
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
May 18 2010 21:23 GMT
#305
See Radfield was visionary, the Caller's wording had blinded him, but in his mind he was always aware that this was going to be measly peasant vs these lofty cult leaders. His subconsciousness cried that this was what neutrals must do, and instead of playing for ourselves, we must rid this town of these scum menace.

how can the 19 townies ever make any real decisions? How will we even know if we're winning or losing?

He was imploring- deep inside, he knew we were all Townies. We are not neutrals. Caller is just trolling us.
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
May 18 2010 21:47 GMT
#308
On May 19 2010 06:44 Incognito wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2010 04:50 Caller wrote:
On May 19 2010 04:05 Fishball wrote:
On May 19 2010 03:49 Caller wrote:
On May 19 2010 03:17 Fishball wrote:
So do the players ever know which leader recruited them?
Do the leaders know what powers the players have when he/she recruited them?
Since enemy players can be recruited, that means a player can be "recruited" back and forth? If this is the case, is this game mainly a war among the 4 leaders and the rest are just chess pieces?

no
no
yes and ^_^


Do the players ever know which Faction recruited them? (Yes, according to previous page?)
Do the leaders know what character the player he recruited has?
What is the incentive for the players to help a certain faction leader? I mean player A can be playing for Wu the first day, then playing for Shu the second day. Also, if player A carries crucial information of his faction, and was then recruited to another faction... well, you know what I'm going at.

a) no, they don't even know that they are recruited. The only one that gets any confirmation is the leader.


Um...

Show nested quote +
On May 11 2010 21:23 Caller wrote:
On May 11 2010 21:11 Hesmyrr wrote:
Question
If your faction (green) consists of player A (leader), B, and C, if A successfully recruit player D, what message is D going to receive?

1. You have been recruited to green faction!
2. You have been recruited to green faction! Your comrades are B and C!
3. You have been recruited to green faction! The leader is A, and your comrades are B and C!


They will receive only message 1.


Major contradiction here methinks.

Caller you suck.
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
May 18 2010 22:18 GMT
#310
Warning to recruiters
If you choose no notification, I will personally make it my mission to eliminate you and aim toward neutral victory. And I will make it my mission to bring as much neutrals into my cause as possible. Note that you recruiting me will not even stop me, since I wouldn't even know I was recruited or not rofl.

If notification, yeah we go after YT.
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
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