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On April 14 2010 15:58 Caller wrote: wait ace is playing? ^signup ##nuke:Ace I like the way you think. | ||
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Nah, Caller is the person I aim to kill/nuke whenever Ace is not in the game. | ||
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Shit sucked. But do it Billy, you should be fine. | ||
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However, I will do something I don't like to do very often. Look at the past to prove the present. Me appearing inactive means absolutely nothing. The last three games I had shit going on and went inactive for a day or so, nearly got lynched then the next day nailed a red. If you give me the time and don't kill me, I will produce results and I will get reds. All I need is to actually survive one day. If I am forced to rush through reading the entire thread I am bound to miss something. I am pretty decent at behavior analysis and later in the game I will definitely be able to nab mafia for us. Just give me the chance. I am on page 21 at the moment, I am working on catching up. I will not propose any lynch candidates right now because quite frankly I do not feel comfortable doing so without being up to date. I am not an inactive player, and you'd be a fool to vote me. My weekends just always get jacked up with work, in the last 3 days I worked 30 hours. Friday I had school 10-2, work 3-7, Saturday 10am to 10pm, Sunday 8am to 6pm, then started reading mafia got tired and went to sleep. | ||
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The Assassin role will work like this. Early on they will behavior analyze like crazy and use their role checks in attempt to confirm each thought. If they guess correctly they will kill another Assassin the following night. However we should expect the amount of kills happening every night to increase a lot on night 3, when the Assassin's use up both role checks and have to result to just killing people. At that point, chances are they are likely going to hit more mafia members then town and it becomes a sort of Russian roulette game. The assassin's hope to hit each other, but will start annihilating both sides. Until then however, I would expect assassin's to be contributing like a blue role. Trying to contribute as little as possible so they can coast on by, because they don't want to appear like mafia to the town and post negative, and they don't want to help too much so the mafia kills them. | ||
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I will do some behavior shit in the morning :D Also on the issue of lynching I don't think we need 20 votes for a lynch, I think its 20 votes for an immediate lynch on someone, or the person with the most votes by the end of the day gets lynched. I PMed flamewheel about it though, so I guess we will find out. | ||
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On April 20 2010 16:13 BloodyC0bbler wrote: First game that comes to mind would be folca vs ace in mafia III where folca claimed dt and checked ace claiming ace was red. Ace then argued how day 1 you always lynch the accuser. He has advocated this stance many many many times. He has also gone after people for day 1 roleclaims. Anyone who roleclaims day 1 should be strongly argued with, as they can't get away scott free with their claim so on and so forth. If it helps, I don't truely believe hes a dt, and instead enjoy reading his post for subtle hints. I agree that he is not likely to be a DT, however I think they are referring to when vivi got railroaded in micro mafia I and at the end of day one he claimed medic and we lynched a medic, then the mafia killed our DT. Then Ace managed to convince everyone to kill Citizen somehow. | ||
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Radfield, the noble detective. Foolishness, the valiant madhatter. Hobbes, the honorable medic. Although we wished to not be enemies to the red, and to live in harmony as we both go about our individual ways. WHY COULDN'T WE JUST LEAVE EACH OTHER ALONE? | ||
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On April 21 2010 13:06 Ace wrote: Yea one day you'll be pro like me man lololololol. d00d but seriously, I already got one! I swear. | ||
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Fine, BC is mafia. Rolecheck confirmed it. | ||
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On April 21 2010 13:51 IntoTheWow wrote: I'm just curious. Role checks are PM'd to the person who made them, but no one else knows for sure right? Ace could just be making up whatever role check he thinks best fits him. If I'm wrong in my train of thought please tell me. You could be right, however he would be playing very anti-town then. The thing is if Ace is lying and just wants to kill Caller it would be stupid, he could argue behavior analysis and probably get him lynched. Sure this would get it done with less effort, however if hes wrong he sets us back two lynches, which would suck for us. In short, he could lie, but it wouldn't make sense unless he was trying to sac caller to gain town trust to ride it through the game to mislead us further. That move was done to caller by MrBabyHands in a previous mafia game. | ||
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On April 21 2010 13:54 DarthThienAn wrote: This is true, but we have two situations as I see it: 1) Ace is mafia and tricking us - we lynch Caller and see that he's lying, so he's just given himself up. It's still pretty early in the game, so this would be pretty stupid, a 1 for 1 trade cutting the mafia down to 6 with only 3 KP. 2) Ace is the DT and telling the truth and pro-town. We lynch Caller, he's red, and ... all is well. lol. and option three as I showed it! Both are red, and Ace is GF/Mafia earning trust. It would be an awesome ballsy move. | ||
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YOU WOULD DO SOMETHING I WOULD DEEM UNLIKELY, WHICH IS HOW YOU GOT THAT SCUM NEMY TO SLIDE UNDER MY NOSE BY HAVING HIM VOTE FOR YOU IN MM1. I ain't falling for your games again. I am keeping an open mind. | ||
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On April 21 2010 14:06 IntoTheWow wrote: Ok, time for some wall of text: About Ace: He started this little game on biding. The first thing I'm suspicious of is the way he distributed his fake money: + Show Spoiler + # Zona - $100 # CynanMachae - $100 # tree.hugger - $75 # d3_crescentia - $50 # KF91 - $100 # iNfuNdiBuLuM - $75 # RebirthOfLegend - $100 # BloodyC0bbler - $200 # Jugan - $30 # Scaramanga - $0 (get a job) # Bill Murray - $100 # Fishball - $85 # RaGe - $100 # Foolishness - $no # Scamp - $100 # Abenson - $90 # Caller - $175 # [NyC]HoBbes - $100 # meeple - $120 # Fulgrim - $70 # JadeFist - $100 # Roffles - $100 # krndandaman - $0 # Falcynn - $40 # nbtnbt5 - $60 # IntoTheWow - $100 # Incognito - $25 # love1another - $66 # AcrossFiveJulys - $50 # nAi.PrOtOsS - $0.50 # DarthThienAn - $60 # Radfield - $100 # TheLardyGooser - $80 # Osmoses - $2 # jpak - $21 # motbob - $100 # madnessman - $75 First, he gave BloodyC0bbler the most bidding power, even thought he has hardly participated so far. Point? Please don't say it's random. Then he says he gave Caller the most bidding power to make him fall for his trap. Makes sense with meeple riding 120$ and BC as well, but then again there's other suspicious people Foolishness no money? Did you know he was going to die? You could be an Assassin and then this game would make zero sense at all, since all it's doing is keeping you in the spotlish, either to be lynched or in Mafia eyes to take you down if they feel you are a threat. If you were a real detective, I don't think this helps too much, you are just instantly rallying people into what you want to do. You could very well make up whatever answer it fits you best as mafia. If somebody rolechecks anyone, you can make up whatever is the general idea of that person's role. Then again, with one detective down, it's hard to really know what you are up to. If somebody asks for a self-role check (like Jugan did) you can make up whatever you like, Townie would have a high % of nailing it. If you feel your plan might fall that way, you can just kill him during the night before revealing the role check and hence, knowing what the person's role was. I'm not sure why you are trying to pull this little game, it doesn't help the town at all in my opinion. At the same time I haven't played other Mafia games here, so I don't know if this is your general playstyle, or something you have done before. I will post more on other people soon, just want to stop some bandwagon that makes no sense. I suspect of Ace as much as I suspect of Caller. Then I propose we lynch BC! He is mafia afterall. | ||
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I don't see the problem here. The roleblocker chooses a person to block for that night (assuming the person is a power role) and disallows that. The power of the roleblocker wouldn't have any effect in killing Ace the next day during a double lynch. | ||
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What has the mafia based world come to? | ||
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Get'em. | ||
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Chances are we won't see a vigi hit tonight, and we will just be using the double lynch tomorrow. As far as what to do in regard to roleclaims from me and Ace, lynch who we said and if they flip anything besides red/miller then kill us. Its quite simple. It could backwards plan by either of us. Sacrifice 1 mafia get into town trust, wreak havoc. However we can figure out if one of us is faking DT later. As of right now we lynch Caller, then if BC doesn't wind up dead in the night we lynch him tomorrow. It doesn't make sense to throw away blue power. And about assassin's, being public like this wouldn't make sense since this would clearly draw the attention of the mafia and get them killed which is counter to their win objectives. Unless Ace is going about this some really fucked up way, I can't see him being an assassin. | ||
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and james, I am kicked out of my house and can barely get online. I am on a school computer right now. Plus we can't even talk on aim during this game which gives me no reason to dodge you. also your behavior analysis sucks. I fear not you. | ||
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On April 22 2010 01:27 BloodyC0bbler wrote: pff, you signed up for this game after you got kicked out of your place, knowing full well of the issues it would create. Plus you were dodging me last night while you were online. Don't be hiding Joe. I gladly offered to be lynched to avoid wasting vig hits purely to save you the off chance of getting sniped tonight. Go blame Ace when you end up dead. Because me and my mafia are going to hit place a liberal amount of hits on you to ensure your imminent demise. | ||
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So can you guys just hurry up and finish voting double lynch so we can move to the night phase? | ||
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Clockwise, or counter clockwise? | ||
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On that note.... Reading, and rereading is for pussies. True mafia players skim read 1/8th of the posts in the thread, spam accusations, random vote, and hop on bandwagon's. Does that sound like what this mafianoob rage is promoting? I think not. Therefore he must be an assassin. A third party role who is not used to the standard town/mafia game and doesn't know how to properly fling shit and random players. | ||
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Reading our archives doesn't change this situation, just gives insight to our roles which can be useful but isn't relevant to this decision. Regardless of who gets what read off of me or BC we should kill him, not me. One situation you kill me I am a DT then you kill him. The other situation you kill him he is red then I am semi confirmed. Just in the sense it would be illogical for me to be mafia at that point but is still possible. Of course BC could flip something besides red, but that wouldn't make sense on my part and you could kill me after that I suppose. | ||
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In response to your other accusations. I have been friends with BC for a while, and was immediately struck by him STARTING the wagon on me. That made me think he was mafia. I personally didn't need more info than that. However I decided to role check him anyway and got back that he was red. Yeah sure, I could of behavior analyzed how him saying not to protect Ace, Caller, and himself was a sign that he wasn't worried about dying and was trying to make it appear selfless and town serving while taking away coverage from people he personally views as threats. But I didn't. I didn't go through all of his posting for no particular reason apart form that I checked him and thought he was guilty. I also doubt the odds of us hitting two millers in a row, so Caller flipping Miller reaffirms my belief that BC is guilty of scum. In regards to explaining how I haven't done much, I usually take time and read everything posted while taking notes on who strikes me as fishy. This game I was AFK for first few days and ended up with 36 pages to read that was quite frankly FILLED with shit. After reading 20 pages of more or less nothing I started skimming because I was on a deadline to try to get the town to not lynch me because of inactivity. So my analysis's right now are weak and I haven't reread any single poster yet. I am also stubborn and don't really wish to use Zbot, it seems to me to ruin the spirit of the game and make red hunting easy. All I have for you to prove my innocence is BC's head, if you choose to kill me to figure out if BC is guilty or not then you don't know how to preserve your power roles. Killing BC and he is anything but red would prove that I am not what I claim to be. | ||
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I can't see why you think its so far fetched to have 3 DT's in a game with over 30 people. But seriously brownbear, give one redeeming factor to me being a mafia lying about this? If hes not red I am dead anyway. You give two other scenario's and discredit the one I gave you while saying how UNLIKELY the other two scenario's are, while my scenario is not beyond belief by any stretch of the imagination. You haven't even contradicted ANYTHING I said. You present your reasons for thinking I am scum which I suppose are okay, but the solution of lynching me and risking killing a DT for the mafia is retarded compared to killing the accused. | ||
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On April 23 2010 05:39 Scamp wrote: Me too, while you're at it. OMM ONNN ITTT And yes, I did use Zbot for this. I am inclined to think you are Townie Here is my main confirming posts by you. One of the big things is that you actually have posts. Generally you are quiet as mafia, however I don't think you are bad or above changing your posting style. On April 19 2010 12:32 Scamp wrote: I'll warn you right now LardyGooser, if you continue to mention your own noobiness whenever you make a point then I'm going to get you lynched. Even if you really don't know what you're doing, you can't be allowed to shirk responsibility of your opinions or defend yourself by way of inexperience. Anyway, I agree with you and Radfield, if people are still inactive with 6 hours to go or so then we don't really need to worry about them. Even if they just post/vote at the last minute we can just pressure or kill them the next day. No townie that actually wants to win would use this strategy to lurk, so that's that. Also, it isn't really that hard to go after/find people that are both largely inactive and suspicious too. Fun note: Tree.Hugger didn't read the rules! This was very early on, it could be distancing language for when LardyGooser dies, however I don't think that is too likely. On April 18 2010 17:02 Scamp wrote: I can't actually tell if Bill is serious with that plan or not. It seems like he is, but I don't understand it at all. It seems to me that the mafia will just want to hit people that have non-mafia on both sides of the killer/killee list, and that's that. Also, it just looks like a plan to randomly out townie power roles. Legit townies then have to lie or be exposed. And if they start lying, well that helps create the mass confusion BM wants us to avoid. Add to this that BM is suggesting the idea of a mass roleclaim...because it worked wonders in one game where people could PM each other and there were no green roles...yeah, I'm not listening to any plan from this guy. I didn't notice that Abenson was practicing spamming before the thread, but he's doing a good job of it so far now that the day is done. d3_cres posted that there are at least two assassins. I've got to believe that there are no less than three. Otherwise, why would you get a kill refunded for hitting an assassin? I also look favorably on this post. You don't go over top in attacking his retarded plan, and just kind of ease in your thoughts about it. This isn't generally mafia behavior since it lacks aggression or trying to undermine or incriminate someone based on what they say. On April 21 2010 20:58 Scamp wrote: Alrighty, I've been asked to take a look at Abenson since he's directly below me on the list. This is a horrible person to try and analyze because not only has a lot of people already done it for me, but he hasn't posted anything since those people spoke on him. It is interesting to note that he did propose to keep Caller around noting: "If he's not mafia he'll benefit us." He also thinks BM's assassin plan is dumb but in his final post he's willing to discuss it. So, there really isn't much to go on with him this game IMO. He's either confused town or confused scum. Honestly, I'd actually consider him being an assassin based on what he's said so far. Not liking the last five pages or so at all. Just a lot of people bickering at each other and the same names popping up over and over. It's all a major distraction, and I have no idea what it's supposed to be distracting from. Shame on every townie that's willingly a part of it, what the hell do you think you're doing? I also wonder why Bill Murray seems to have dropped his plan so suddenly and willingly. I have to confess that it didn't make sense to me, so maybe I missed something, but I don't think that anything that has happened so far should have derailed the plan as he proposed it. And now for the centerpiece: Ace and Caller. I actually really like Caller's defense but as he noted there really isn't any defending him now. If Ace is mafia trying to BS us then I'll happily take one mislynch now for a dead mafia the next day, whether by lynch or by vig shot. And if Ace is a townie or assassin or whatever trying to BS us, then I'll seriously have to think about playing with him ever again. Probably the confirming post. Most mafia would just add to chaos and unreadability because it favors their agenda the most. You point this out and draw some mild links to other people calling up some odd behavior with billy, trying to do your part for analysis (I didn't double check your analysis though) You are just generally playing town orientated I think. Final conclusion. Pretty sure you are a green townie, could be a blue just because of your increased activity. I'd lean more towards green though. Or a very sexy played mild mannered red. | ||
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On April 23 2010 03:42 Fishball wrote: I'm bored. Someone analyze me. I read all your posts in Zbot. You have literally said and done nothing. You seem to be just relaxing not contributing or doing anything. There is almost no way to get a read on you except to say you are faking activity which makes me lean towards saying you are scummy. It just appears you are trying to barely fly under everyone's radar, and if I was a red guy I would hit you (if you weren't on my time) because you seem like a blue lying low, or a red lying low. Your behavior I would say is more consistent with a red, but I am not 100%. During tomorrow's double lynch if we seriously don't have a better candidate I would be fine with lynching you. | ||
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On April 23 2010 09:41 d3_crescentia wrote: Wait a second, RoL claimed DT? When did that happen? Is it in reference to this post? ZBot hasn't been updated and I've been in bed sick today, so I'm asking y'all to forgive me if I missed something critical recently. I figured it was obvious when I said role check, but later on I confirmed and said I was a DT. | ||
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One we would have to assume that the mafia would select ME as godfather, which in itself is absurd. I have been a decent player but never the one a team would try and save from role checks since I am never considered THAT important of a player. Point two. Why the fuck would I choose detective? I would have to be planning this from day one when I DECIDED to appear as detective as opposed to the more common claims of either townie, veteran, or medic. Easily faked roles. I choose the detective, a power I cannot fake in the slightest if the situation warranted it, then I select a person who I KNOW is not mafia and say they are mafia for what? To put us back one lynch? That makes no sense because in the same note I said double lynch which means I want us to catch more mafia. Maybe we could say I was hasty with my role claim, however I saw Ace do it and I figured why not do the same. You guys wanted my suspect from behavioral analysis and rather than try to explain why I think BC's actions were suspicious it was easier to role claim and get two mafia in a row. But another thing to think about, why would I sacrifice our KP by lying about BC being mafia? The notion is absolutely absurd. If I was mafia my death would bring our KP from 4 to 3 since we would drop to 6 members. I do agree, lets not mention suspects until night actions. I wouldn't want to give mafia ideas on who not to kill. While in the same note I hope I don't die before I can release suspects. Assuming I am mafia is retarded. | ||
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On April 23 2010 12:31 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: we can still just lynch 1 person, given the majority lynch rules. would suck for wasting a double lynch though. I can't see this game going another 3 days if we don't kill a mafia today. So I don't think it really matters. The KP in this game is very high. By tomorrow night we will start seeing assassin hits entering the fray which will reduce the number of people who can vote for mafia. Especially if the assassin's miss their hits and start nailing townie's or if we get lucky mafia. | ||
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Mathematically we should keep activating double lynches because the game will most likely end within the next 3 days, so to use them and have the ability to utilize them will most likely be viable in the near future. | ||
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On April 23 2010 12:48 Korynne wrote: RoL, sure it's easier to role-claim and get 2 in a row, but is that really better for town considering we could lose 2, and potentially all of our detectives tonight? =( gotta put some faith in medics, don't we? Hopefully we have two and they protect correctly. I thought widdling down their KP was a good idea. It just didn't work out as such. | ||
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On April 23 2010 12:40 BrownBear wrote: Dammit. After tonight, unless we get some lucky medics, AND assuming the Assassins don't attack tonight, we're going to be at 16 to 7, which means if we don't get at least 1 mafia tomorrow during the day, we're done. I don't want to say who the medics should protect, cause smart mafia just wont attack those people, too, so it's really down to their intelligence and their ability to predict the mafia's moves. Tonight might be a good time for vigilantes to perform some hits... or for Assassins to spend one of their nghtkills on people they know to be Mafia. Why? Because if you don't, the game might very well end before you have a chance to fulfill your objectives. This is actually a ploy we used in previous games to create a pseudo medic protection. We would create a list of people we think should be protected and the mafia would avoid hitting that list because there is a chance they could waste a hit on a protected person. While the medic could just ignore that list and protect someone else. Its a type of wifom to hurt the mafia in making a decision on who to hit, and to try to keep who we want alive. So just for the sake of an example, I would recommend medics to protect the following people tonight. Ace RoL Korynne Scamp This list is alright, I Am sure I could find better candidates but is something to consider when deciding who to protect. | ||
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On April 23 2010 13:17 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: The thing is, I have already stated that I believe BC's behavior points to him being innocent, as he so openly railed against Ace. If you look at the circumstances of RoL's rolecheck, it was a lot different than Ace's rolecheck because Ace checked a player that he had publicly suspected Day 1, and Caller was unlucky enough to be the miller. Combined with Caller's already odd play it was enough to get people to vote for him. However it seems like theres a lot more doubt in the town regarding rol/bc. I mean I guess it's totally possible that BC is also a Miller, and RoL does have a point that his play doesn't make a whole lot of sense from the mafia perspective (though is this a bit of a wifom? it sort of sounds like it). Korynne has similar sentiments expressed in her post above. Its not a matter of it being a wifom or not. I simply can't fake a role check as mafia. Doing it I would either have to be really lucky or lucky and good at behavior analysis to actually pull that off. I could be lying, but lynching BC would figure that out for you 99%. So its not like I trying to pull a wifom and mind fuck you, because quite simply it would be an enormous risk with a gain that is not even worth it. @Incognito. I agree with your entire post. | ||
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