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Alright, I know RaGe suggested a ban on the analysis posts until Day 2 (And I'm fine with the plan he proposed of lynching RoL, since he hasn't been here at all :/), but I'm just making this post I guess as a reference for Day 2.
Jugan
Most noticeable is the posting difference in Jugan. He somehow goes from spamming one-liners to actually phrasing his thoughts into readable sentences:
He goes from this:
On April 18 2010 11:08 Jugan wrote: i say we lynch the KF91 guy. he's annoying.
to this:
+ Show Spoiler +On April 19 2010 13:51 Jugan wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2010 13:45 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On April 19 2010 13:44 tree.hugger wrote:On April 19 2010 12:32 Scamp wrote: Fun note: Tree.Hugger didn't read the rules! Oh dammit. I thought they had been put back in for some reason. I double checked, of course. Obviously. Fun note, we had already discussed this earlier in the thread via my own major post. So you failed on two counts. Reading is fun. I'm sure he understands that he made a mistake now, so let's leave it at that and open the discussion to something that will help steer us in the correct direction. Show nested quote +On April 19 2010 13:07 [NyC]HoBbes wrote: Quick defense of inactivity- was at a friend's weekend house since Friday, only checking TL on a mobile phone. Am going to sleep now, will be active on the thread tomorrow starting around 4-5 PM
As I stated earlier in the thread (not picking on you, just using this as an example), a person being less active than other people in the game at this stage is normal. It's only the first night, taking a tally of those who appear to be either lurking or inactive will help none. The mods will deal with those who are inactive (i.e. reminders/modkills). For those of you who don't know, people have things in real life to do: Go to school Socialize Take care of animals Set houses on fire Which means that they will be unable to devote as much time to the game as others will. Additionally, newer players will, understandably, want to get a feel for the game before putting themselves out there. While it is entirely possible that a person's seeming "inactivity" can be an indicator of a mafia member, please take great care in jumping to conclusions and making assumptions. I hope this serves as a reality call and a reminder for some players, IntoTheWow.
But not much has changed; he really isn't giving much ideas towards the town, but mainly arguing with people in the game. I'm not sure if I'm 100% right, but the turning point of his posting behaviour is after Caller pretty much abuses him verbally. What's interesting to note is that Jugan has little to no interaction with Caller after this. (Rarely mentions him)
I honestly don't really understand why he continues to hate on me for being "annoying" when I (In my point of view) haven't done anything to a far extent to annoy him. And yet he continues hold his vote on me :/ Plus, please try to calm down and try not to bring emotions into the game too much (Mostly directed at your bashing on IntoTheWow)
What Incognito Said About Osmoses
As to what Incognito had said about Osmoses, that's a good observation made on him, but I don't think Osmoses is trying to pull off what you said. From what I can see, I think Osmoses is putting in effort and trying to contribute to the town. We should wait until he posts a little bit more so that we can get a concrete reason to lynch him (If he seems scummier by the post).
BC's Post About Inactives
On April 20 2010 03:59 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Rage has just started posting as of last page, to jump out of no where and point at RoL. This seems to me a very scummy sort of move.
RoL is really inactive, very off since hes normally really active.
I think Rage is doing something right here and he doesn't seem that scummy to me. The town needed a plan, and here we have one. It's better that the town lynches a random and hope to get a mafia than no lynch at all. Remember, although the chances of getting a mafia with a random lynch is around 20%, the chances of getting a mafia with no lynch is 0%.
But I do have to agree with you about RoL. When I played with him in the Micro-Mafia, he was very active; and now, it honestly feels like he died or something O.o
And finally to Rage, BM is always like that; try to take it as the comedic side of mafia games. XD
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On April 20 2010 04:26 KF91 wrote:Alright, I know RaGe suggested a ban on the analysis posts until Day 2 (And I'm fine with the plan he proposed of lynching RoL, since he hasn't been here at all :/), but I'm just making this post I guess as a reference for Day 2. JuganMost noticeable is the posting difference in Jugan. He somehow goes from spamming one-liners to actually phrasing his thoughts into readable sentences: He goes from this: Show nested quote +On April 18 2010 11:08 Jugan wrote: i say we lynch the KF91 guy. he's annoying. to this: + Show Spoiler +On April 19 2010 13:51 Jugan wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2010 13:45 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On April 19 2010 13:44 tree.hugger wrote:On April 19 2010 12:32 Scamp wrote: Fun note: Tree.Hugger didn't read the rules! Oh dammit. I thought they had been put back in for some reason. I double checked, of course. Obviously. Fun note, we had already discussed this earlier in the thread via my own major post. So you failed on two counts. Reading is fun. I'm sure he understands that he made a mistake now, so let's leave it at that and open the discussion to something that will help steer us in the correct direction. Show nested quote +On April 19 2010 13:07 [NyC]HoBbes wrote: Quick defense of inactivity- was at a friend's weekend house since Friday, only checking TL on a mobile phone. Am going to sleep now, will be active on the thread tomorrow starting around 4-5 PM
As I stated earlier in the thread (not picking on you, just using this as an example), a person being less active than other people in the game at this stage is normal. It's only the first night, taking a tally of those who appear to be either lurking or inactive will help none. The mods will deal with those who are inactive (i.e. reminders/modkills). For those of you who don't know, people have things in real life to do: Go to school Socialize Take care of animals Set houses on fire Which means that they will be unable to devote as much time to the game as others will. Additionally, newer players will, understandably, want to get a feel for the game before putting themselves out there. While it is entirely possible that a person's seeming "inactivity" can be an indicator of a mafia member, please take great care in jumping to conclusions and making assumptions. I hope this serves as a reality call and a reminder for some players, IntoTheWow. But not much has changed; he really isn't giving much ideas towards the town, but mainly arguing with people in the game. I'm not sure if I'm 100% right, but the turning point of his posting behaviour is after Caller pretty much abuses him verbally. What's interesting to note is that Jugan has little to no interaction with Caller after this. (Rarely mentions him) I honestly don't really understand why he continues to hate on me for being "annoying" when I (In my point of view) haven't done anything to a far extent to annoy him. And yet he continues hold his vote on me :/ Plus, please try to calm down and try not to bring emotions into the game too much (Mostly directed at your bashing on IntoTheWow) What Incognito Said About OsmosesAs to what Incognito had said about Osmoses, that's a good observation made on him, but I don't think Osmoses is trying to pull off what you said. From what I can see, I think Osmoses is putting in effort and trying to contribute to the town. We should wait until he posts a little bit more so that we can get a concrete reason to lynch him (If he seems scummier by the post). BC's Post About InactivesShow nested quote +On April 20 2010 03:59 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Rage has just started posting as of last page, to jump out of no where and point at RoL. This seems to me a very scummy sort of move.
RoL is really inactive, very off since hes normally really active. I think Rage is doing something right here and he doesn't seem that scummy to me. The town needed a plan, and here we have one. It's better that the town lynches a random and hope to get a mafia than no lynch at all. Remember, although the chances of getting a mafia with a random lynch is around 20%, the chances of getting a mafia with no lynch is 0%. But I do have to agree with you about RoL. When I played with him in the Micro-Mafia, he was very active; and now, it honestly feels like he died or something O.o And finally to Rage, BM is always like that; try to take it as the comedic side of mafia games. XD
good analysis, but where's the FoS? you're not really calling anyone out. Your light FoS on Jugan (if you can even call it that) for changing his post style is actually indicative of him trying to be helpful to the town.
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It's funny how Incognito/BC's posts about suspicious players get spammed off the page and nobody except Radfield replied to them. Anyway, I see the point behind Osmoses and jpak and would have voted for one of them is RoL wasn't getting wagonned so much, but I would also add another analysis on TheLardyGooser.
First of all, most of his earlier posts stand out on how much en always put emphasis that he's new/inexperienced/etc. Like Incognito said, this is a card played quite often by mafia players and town doing this is usually not happening.
His earlier posts (bolding is mine):
On April 18 2010 15:20 TheLardyGooser wrote:I knew Bill Murray was smart, but this plan seems fool proof. Being a fool and a total newwwb I can respect that. Altair, please leave me be when the night comes
On April 19 2010 02:17 TheLardyGooser wrote: I still think BMs plan makes the most sense if I understand it right. I feel like it would put the mafia at a much bigger disadvantage but I am still new at this?
On April 19 2010 08:05 TheLardyGooser wrote: I know its been shotgunned to death at this point, but I still feel like BM's plan, if not in terms of hunting down assassins, but rather in terms of a general role call. I am speaking from inexperience here, but aren't the mafia heavily outnumbered? Wouldn't a direct roll call at least be able to spread around some suspicion when we compare it to the number of each group? I feel like it would give us a pretty good start and at least let us have some idea of who to lay the hammer down on with our first lynch as there are bound to be some glaring inconsistancies.
To me anyway, the discussion at this point seems to be people flaming each other back and forth, largely due to inactivity. Again, this is my first time, but it seems counter intuitive to just flame back and forth when at this point we don't really know anything?
Lets make a plan!
The plays the inexperienced by asking for "working strategies"
On April 19 2010 09:31 TheLardyGooser wrote: I think I was misunderstood on the aspect of the BM plan I thought was a good idea. I know it won't work for getting rid of Assassins, (plus you more experienced guys seem to not view them as a threat) but at this point its the only thing out there besides the flame war between caller and nai, and random selection (which at this point is statistically more likely to kill a green than a red).
Just an idea, but could some of you fire hardened TLers offer up some good day 1 town strategies that have performed well in the past? It might help to re-focus the debate somewhat
On April 19 2010 12:22 TheLardyGooser wrote: I know this might seem counter-intuitive, but at this stage of the game with nothing but speculation, flames and no clues, taking a random shot at this point has a 79% of killing a villager. Added to that the only people being accused of being "scummy" at this point are just people who are acting like jerks, and it would be a huge mistake to potentially cut off someone who could be valuable just because of a bad attitude.
I think Radfield is right in suggesting we go after inactives that won't get the mod hammer with our first lynch. That way regardless of whether we hit red or green, we will at least be narrowing down the field of players to those who will actually contribute and make the game more fun for everyone.
For example, whether or not we may feel that Caller is being scummy, it is day 1 and none of us really have anything concrete to go on besides the fact we may disagree with him. I just feel like it would be a waste to make an unfounded accusation and get rid of someone who is at least contributing to the game at large.
Just my two noob cents.
So in this first posts the them is mostly that he's putting down some info and saying he's new and inexperienced, and throwing support at BM's strategy which isn't making any sense and that I think was mostly just some sort of weird trap from BM to see who would support it.
Then quite later Incognito comes and tell how mafia would usually say that they are ineperienced and new and his analysis on Osmoses. Not many replies on this, then when TheLardyGooser comes again and posts he's now suddenly not inexperienced and he's "among the only ones making sense":
On April 20 2010 02:49 TheLardyGooser wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2010 20:37 Radfield wrote:On April 19 2010 19:34 Bill Murray wrote:On April 19 2010 18:55 Radfield wrote:On April 19 2010 13:53 Incognito wrote:Ok. Time for some stuff. First of all, theres a lot of people moaning that we should just lynch an inactive because we don't have enough information. These people should step it up. There is actually quite a bit of information out here to analyze. So instead of waiting for one of us to come up and hand you the information on a plate, please try to go through and look through posts organized by user. First off, innocents. A few people have caught my attention as very likely innocents. These people are: Zona BC d3_crescentia Caller All the people on this list have been posting rationally. (Ace would probably disagree with me on this about Caller, but from what I remember from Caller's previous games, he didn't post like this as mafia). Time to pull out the accusation gun. Osmoses: On April 18 2010 07:08 Osmoses wrote: I'm a total newbie but wouldn't it make more sense to save double lynches as late as possible, when you have solid info to go on? This is his first real post. He plays the I'm a newbie card, and proceeds to ask a question that is already being discussed. No contribution here. He also makes preemptive excuses for his posting, emphasizing that he is a newbie, but...you get the picture. Check out TL Mafia V for an example of Tricode pulling the same stunt. From experience, new pro-town players would not try to emphasize their newbiness, as it adds a burden for the town. On the other hand, new mafia players tend to use this to excuse their useless behavior. Panic usually sets in and they try to play the im confused card. On April 19 2010 05:58 Osmoses wrote: Assassins will influence politics, trying to gear lynches in their favor against the ones they suspect to be assassins... Basically they will be the very annoying players that you can't really pin as scum or townie because they have double agendas. They may just appear confused or stupid, I mean they'd have to cook up some pretty elaborate schemes to sway the votes in the favor of someone they want killed if that person doesn't act like scum.
Its really pretty tiring trying to figure out who's what and who and why with such little information, and no clues -_- The only effect assassins have on the town is their votes and their influence, but lynching the right guy seems hard enough already, so if they do sway the vote we might just get a scum anyway... Should we really even be worrying about them? Their night kills, having only 2, will surely be spent on someone they truly believe to be an assassin, so as not to waste them, and the longer the game goes the closer the odds get to 50%. Those seems like good odds. More confusion. How ironic. Anyway...Ok...So its tiring trying to find out who is who...but you haven't said anything yet about what you HAVE found out. Oh you also say there's little information to go on? Yeah I'm sure its very tiring to look for information that's not there...in which case you might as well just have given up. Oops! Well, if you're so tired trying to information, surely you must have found at least something. Spit it out. We want to hear it. Anyway, thats the one person who stuck out in my mind. Everyone should be looking for information instead of lying around and complaining how there is no information. Some information is there. And some of it we have to bring out so we get more information. From experience, mafia games are usually more stagnant when theres no pms. You can't call people out as effectively as you can in pmland, partially because of spam, and partially because people don't feel inclined to respond when theres more than one accusation out there. So for now, I'm going to switch strategies and only try to focus on one suspect at a time. I expect responses. OK, then lets focus on one person at a time. First off, I don't think his statements about the double lynch are particularly scummy. We were discussing them at the time, and it DOES make some sense in a way to save them for when we have better information; better chance of netting two bad guys. Mind you, i'm against the idea and think we should use our first one at the earliest opportunity. However, what did jump out at me ealier was this post: On April 18 2010 17:18 Osmoses wrote: I'm suspicious of Zona, his attack on BC seems forced somehow, too condescending, but also too fervent for both to be scum. Why is everyone, that is to say BM, focusing on the assasins anyway? It seems to me they are very unlikely to win in the end, as they will probably be lynched or killed by other assassins well before the end of the game.
Here's my supergenius plan: lynch the least active player, it's the quiet ones you gotta watch! To my mind, Zona seemed quite legit at that point, and more importantly this was a bandwaggon vote, given that Bill Murray had stated he was voting Zona just prior. It seemed suspicious then so i noted it down. The more I think about it, I do get townie vibes from you because of you putting FoS onto Osmoses. Being a little more experienced than you, and take this with a grain of salt because I am not the best town player as my play always appears scummy when im green, you shouldn't read into day 1 votes because it is the random voting stage of the game. analyze the wagons after someone is dead, though, as you can see patterns emerge. I've actually found a couple people on mafiascum that way. I am actually starting to get suspicious of you Bill Murray. Not so much from your posting, but more from what seems to be going on around you. First Osmosis bandwaggons a vote from you on a player who I had thought seemed quite legit. Second, two relatively inactive folks both come out in favour of your assassin plan, despite the fact that no one else can even understand your plan at first, let alone thinks it's a good idea. On April 19 2010 03:54 nbtnbt5 wrote: What do we have to lose to try the plan out? It's not like we really having anything to base our lynchings on atm, and it seems like a reliable method of making the mafia take action. On April 19 2010 02:17 TheLardyGooser wrote: I still think BMs plan makes the most sense if I understand it right. I feel like it would put the mafia at a much bigger disadvantage but I am still new at this? A few other things which HAVE jumped out at me about your posting. You keep mentioning things like: being the miller, seeming scummy when green, always being green, being an obvious townie, etc. In addition, you seem to be encouraging people not to take your voting seriously. It seems very possible to me that after having been green for a few games in a row, you can simply use that excuse once you finally hit a red role. I'm not trying to be harsh here, and I appreciate the advice you offered about day one votes, but all these little things seem to be adding up for me. What do other people think? I don`t really care to listen to the BW calls about the BM plan. I addressed this with a post a few pages back... I definetly misunderstood it at first, but I still feel it is best plan out there by virtue of the fact it is the only plan out there, so prove me wrong I implore you. At this point, all we have is a stupid witch hunt aimed with no evidence at people who are just being unpleasant. As it stands right now for all of the people except RoL that have multiple votes we have followed the same stupid formula. 1) They are inactive, we call them out 2) Flame war starts 3) Votes get cast If you were red wouldnt you maybe not want to be a huge dick to everyone and make them all look at you? I am sorry but our governing philosophy right now is, if the guys a dick he must be red. Out of the whole thread I feel like the only people that make any sense at this point (myself included) are Radfield, and IntotheWow.We are all dead men
On April 20 2010 04:02 TheLardyGooser wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2010 03:43 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On April 20 2010 03:38 Fishball wrote:On April 19 2010 15:53 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On April 19 2010 15:51 IntoTheWow wrote:On April 19 2010 15:42 BloodyC0bbler wrote: just curious ITW, what was the reason for your RoL vote? Just an inactive vote placeholder. Fair enough, it just looked like some random bandwagon was starting, looked off. Too late. The bandwagon has grown. Yeah, sadly, I don't like the justification for it. Had Rage proposed what he did earlier, it wouldn't look so bad. But when someone is really inactive then hops out of the shadows to point at someone and say "lynch him" seems off to me. Reasons why this argument makes no sense: -Its really more of a consolidation of the current sentiment than a random ``lynch him`` -It is the first attempt since BM's assassins creed to do anything cooperatively but yell at each other -At this point there has been zero suspicion leveled at him, so why would he even try and redirect attention? -RoL is actually the least active player, and even if we mis-lynch him it has the pragmatic effect of a) killing a lurking red or b) getting rid of a towny who is not contributing, not going to contribute and just wasting space -Do you have a better idea? If so, lets hear it?
Anyway I think there is no point for me voting for him right now so I'll still wait to see if I need to put down my vote on RoL (I think he's most likely to be scummy than BM, and also quite inactive) or if there is another lynching possibility going later.
Also, where is Zona??
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I'm saving my FoS until Day 2, because I think right now it's more important for the town that we get that 20 votes towards one person rather than start pointing fingers at each other.
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Actually, I feel such a vibe of suspicion towards Rage from that last post. I have no idea why but that entire post sounds like something I would write when I'm scum. Instead of using words like "us" and "me" he's using very neutral words like "town." This is something I always do in order to avoid sounding scummy. Not to mention he's framing his "let's not discuss" nonsense as a contribution to the town. How is this different from a politer version of "shut the copulation<courtesy of flamewheel and qatol> up?" It's not at all, and all it serves to do is give inactives a further reason to escape. He's also playing the whole "voice of reason" card, which is something I try to do as mafia because it's so easy to seem so pro-town by doing so, even if you're doing jackhumansolidwaste<courtesy of flamewheel and qatol> in the process.
##FOS: Rage
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On April 19 2010 11:25 tree.hugger wrote:For all the talk earlier on about the role of assassins in the town, I think we need to understand that while assassin posting should aim towards prolonging the game; the town can't rely on the the assassins to act on the town's behalf. But here's something for dts to think about. If you role-check an assassin, you should definitely get in contact with them. Remember that: Show nested quote +On April 13 2010 11:22 flamewheel91 wrote: Each Assassin will have two role checks to use per game, and two night kills per game.
Which means that finding an assassin can help you find other townies with which you can begin to develop a town circle. Not only that, but since the assassin's objective has absolutely no bearing on the game as a whole, detectives should be able to work in a pro-town way with the assassin. Remember that assassin hits... Show nested quote +On April 13 2010 11:22 flamewheel91 wrote: If you manage to kill another Assassin with your night kill, it will be refunded.
... don't count against the assassin's total if they correctly hit another assassin. Therefore, detectives should be able to, if you play your card right, get the assassin to take out some spare mafia as well. Therefore, DETECTIVES:A) Rolecheck an assassin B) Establish contact C) Establish quid-pro-quo D) Provide names, receive names E) Establish more contacts F) Order hits Objections to this plan?
Yes, I have an objection to this plan. Let's assume you're a detective: you can't out yourself in the thread or you will die.
Let's assume you're another town role: you won't be able to find out who they are
Let's assume you're an assassin lying about being a detective: This would really benefit you
My objection to this plan is that the only person it would benefit is a lying assassin, which I am labeling you as
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Oh I also forgot to point out that I'm hesitating putting my vote on RoL right now because 3 of those voting for him are among the players I find likely red (IntoTheWow, Rage and TheLardyLooser)
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On April 20 2010 04:36 CynanMachae wrote: Oh I also forgot to point out that I'm hesitating putting my vote on RoL right now because 3 of those voting for him are among the players I find likely red (IntoTheWow, Rage and TheLardyLooser)
On April 20 2010 04:21 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2010 04:20 Caller wrote:I propose that we lynch all players that have a tag: Reasoning: RebirthOfLegend (4)
BloodyC0bbler Fishball RaGe IntoTheWow Falcynn
Judging from the past few mafia games, either the third person or fourth person on a bandwagon is scum. Just pointing this out. I do feel like the RoL wagon probably has scum on it
looks like we're agreeing
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On April 20 2010 04:41 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2010 04:36 CynanMachae wrote: Oh I also forgot to point out that I'm hesitating putting my vote on RoL right now because 3 of those voting for him are among the players I find likely red (IntoTheWow, Rage and TheLardyLooser) Show nested quote +On April 20 2010 04:21 Bill Murray wrote:On April 20 2010 04:20 Caller wrote:I propose that we lynch all players that have a tag: Reasoning: RebirthOfLegend (4)
BloodyC0bbler Fishball RaGe IntoTheWow Falcynn
Judging from the past few mafia games, either the third person or fourth person on a bandwagon is scum. Just pointing this out. I do feel like the RoL wagon probably has scum on it looks like we're agreeing
Makes sense, your making sense this game.
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On April 20 2010 04:43 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2010 04:41 Bill Murray wrote:On April 20 2010 04:36 CynanMachae wrote: Oh I also forgot to point out that I'm hesitating putting my vote on RoL right now because 3 of those voting for him are among the players I find likely red (IntoTheWow, Rage and TheLardyLooser) On April 20 2010 04:21 Bill Murray wrote:On April 20 2010 04:20 Caller wrote:I propose that we lynch all players that have a tag: Reasoning: RebirthOfLegend (4)
BloodyC0bbler Fishball RaGe IntoTheWow Falcynn
Judging from the past few mafia games, either the third person or fourth person on a bandwagon is scum. Just pointing this out. I do feel like the RoL wagon probably has scum on it looks like we're agreeing Makes sense, your making sense this game. what, BM making sense? definitely scum
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sorry for my inactivity, I am catching up right now. I am on page 18. I was working a lot all weekend.
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i wish i was scum, honestly, i'm always fucking green
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Radfield
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On April 20 2010 04:36 CynanMachae wrote: Oh I also forgot to point out that I'm hesitating putting my vote on RoL right now because 3 of those voting for him are among the players I find likely red (IntoTheWow, Rage and TheLardyLooser)
Then jump on the jpak bandwagon! We got plenty of room! At least 20 seats!
Seriously
Pluses: He's almost as inactive as RoL; Already cast a vote so he's out of modkill danger (we won't waste our lynch)
Minuses:
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seriously 10 games and not red
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On April 20 2010 04:46 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2010 04:36 CynanMachae wrote: Oh I also forgot to point out that I'm hesitating putting my vote on RoL right now because 3 of those voting for him are among the players I find likely red (IntoTheWow, Rage and TheLardyLooser) Then jump on the jpak bandwagon! We got plenty of room! At least 20 seats! Seriously Pluses: He's almost as inactive as RoL; Already cast a vote so he's out of modkill danger (we won't waste our lynch) Minuses:
I am completely against this style of play. They person may be an idiot, a noob, and a terrible player, but as far as i'm concerned it is scummy to lynch someone until we have proof that they're capable of being red playing the way they are. Furthermore, if jpak is red, do we have to worry about him?
the person we need to be lynching is the godfather, honestly.
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Radfield
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On April 20 2010 04:47 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2010 04:46 Radfield wrote:On April 20 2010 04:36 CynanMachae wrote: Oh I also forgot to point out that I'm hesitating putting my vote on RoL right now because 3 of those voting for him are among the players I find likely red (IntoTheWow, Rage and TheLardyLooser) Then jump on the jpak bandwagon! We got plenty of room! At least 20 seats! Seriously Pluses: He's almost as inactive as RoL; Already cast a vote so he's out of modkill danger (we won't waste our lynch) Minuses: I am completely against this style of play. They person may be an idiot, a noob, and a terrible player, but as far as i'm concerned it is scummy to lynch someone until we have proof that they're capable of being red playing the way they are. Furthermore, if jpak is red, do we have to worry about him? the person we need to be lynching is the godfather, honestly.
Fair enough. But if he's red he adds to the KP of the mafia. So far he's doing the bare minimum to stick around. One or two short posts in the forum, one vote for Jugan.
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On April 19 2010 14:56 DarthThienAn wrote: I'd like to highlight this... makes me think Inf and Nai are connected? Why else would he bother to defend Nai so specifically? To me, Nai is just another inactive, I probably would have worded my post as like "why are we killing inactives?" or "why are we killing one specific inactive? There are too many to decide from" etc. etc.
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5. I voted for myself in the other thread for 2 reasons: I don't know who to vote for, and I don't think we'll get a majority anyway. Plus, the MKs should take care of more inactives than we want in the first day =[ (iirc still like 4+ left??). If we want to lynch someone in addiction to the anticipated MKs, that will give us more info, but... tis a nother possible townsperson =[. Normally, I would say lynch someone random for sure, but the whole modkilling changes things. after all, i doubt the mafia members would be dumb (or uninterested) enough to get modkilled for inactivity.
If you read my other posts, i was concerned about Caller picking nai.protoss as a lynch target when there was nothing specific about him that stood out compared to any other inactive townie. Especially since Caller suggested lynching Nai as a sort of innocence test right after Ace started accusing him of not making sense etc. In my mind there was no difference between lynching nai or any other inactive; it seemed Caller picked him because he posted recently (a rather bad post at that, which some had noted). Anyway that whole side of events seems to have been dropped for the time being.
You shouldn't vote for yourself. We want to reach a majority, no lynch is bad bad bad for the town since no lynch = 0% chance to hit a mafia. If we lynch an inactive person or a useless poster, we have potential of lynching a mafia or at least someone who wouldn't have helped anyway.
It seems like Jpak and RoL are the prime targets right now. Honestly I don't think they're mafia yet. As I right this RoL just posted apologizing for his inactivity, saying he was working all weekend, which is plausible though not *verifiable*. The problem is that even if these guys are town, they currently are no help at all, and in the future even a possible liability if they manage not to get modkilled. Personally I'd rather vote for Jpak since i know RoL can actually be a town asset when he wants to be, and I'd like to give him the benefit of the doubt.
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On April 20 2010 04:25 Radfield wrote: Out of Jpak and RoL I think we should focus on Jpak, mostly because I fear RoL all of a sudden showing with a "so sorry guys, all this crazy stuff just happened and I haven't been able to post"(whether legit or not) and that it might split the vote back up given he's a veteren and all. Jpak has been around at least, but just not contributed a single thing.
On April 20 2010 04:44 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: sorry for my inactivity, I am catching up right now. I am on page 18. I was working a lot all weekend. Lol
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RebirthOfLeGend has just contacted me--he's been having some real life difficulties, but is back now and reading. Just wanted to give that heads-up.
On April 20 2010 04:34 Caller wrote: ...even if you're doing jackhumansolidwaste in the process. Love you too, Caller.
Bill--consolidate
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