I wish to sign in as a European country just for the rofl-copter the nuke is going to be :p
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I wish to sign in as a European country just for the rofl-copter the nuke is going to be :p /in | ||
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On March 22 2010 07:22 Bill Murray wrote: sign me up please Glad there is no Ace in this game for you to nuke :p Post-game edit: oh wait, that was someone else. | ||
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Radiation levels - very low Ace Nukes Bill Murray Amount of Nukes Fired: 1 Radiation levels - very high Day 0 Town and Mafia loss gg. Pre-game Edit: By the way, I thought you were supposed to putt ## before nuking someone Ace :p | ||
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[A] #nuke D (20:11) [B] #nuke D (20:11) [C] #nuke D (20:12) Will 24hr delay mean that all of above three nukes will be counted, and player B and C cannot choose to stop or intercept the nukes launched? | ||
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This should be fun. | ||
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[I know I am not going to edit anything once the game begins.] | ||
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It is my opinion that launching only one retaliatory nuke against the player who nukes without permission is terrible idea. If the player has nuke capabilities, it is highly likely that he will also have some anti-missile defense to protect themselves with. I agree with launching two retaliatory nukes- this should be good enough to punish the player and keep # of nuke detonated in reasonable levels. Also, we can also consider launching Nuke 2 thirty minutes after Nuke 1 if too many nuke has been detonated already, and have someone intercept the second nuke if the first nuke succeeds in its role. This should be useful in late game where we don't want to go over ToD (assuming notable number of nukes had landed). As for the first lynch, waiting sounds good enough. It should force Mafia into activity, and active Mafia generally seemed to be easier target to find than lurking Mafia. | ||
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On March 24 2010 01:25 Amber[LighT] wrote: Show nested quote + On March 24 2010 01:23 meeple wrote: On March 24 2010 01:17 Amber[LighT] wrote: On March 24 2010 01:12 meeple wrote: On March 24 2010 00:55 Caller wrote: Well guys, in case nobody noticed, before we can lynch anybody, a nuke has to be launched, or day won’t end. Seeing as how nobody else has been an obvious target, I propose that we "nuke" L this turn around. As town, we need more information, and the best way of getting information is by killing a few people. For instance, we don’t have any idea what possible roles there are, aside from our own. More importantly, he won’t be able to contribute to town for a good 40 or so hours. By which, of course, the day would have ended, timewise, unless we nuke somebody to postpone it another 24 hours. And if necessary, we can always delay the day by nuking someone that’s already being nuked, or somebody without any nukes can launch a “nuke” to prolong the day. In fact, the best way to go about this is for somebody without any actual nukes to nuke L. This will postpone the day and give us a lynch without raising ToD or killing L in the event he is town. Since a nuke has to go off to progress the day at all, a fake nuke at this point would be the best. We should save our real nukes for when we need them. Ace, can you clarify this? Do we need to launch a nuke before voting? Can the nuke be a fake one? Read Nikon's post. You need a lynch or no lynch to end the day, not the other way around. And I'm not accusing L because of past game performance. I'm accusing L because he is the "most" inactive player for the next two days. Why keep him around anyway if he's going to not contribute. When he's unbanned chances are he will continue to muck up the thread with his "stellar" analysis. Yeah I didn't refresh before I posted that... I don't particularly mind if L goes... but in general I prefer to lynch active players that looks scummy. At least they leave post trails and we can look at who they support and such in order to get info on more potential mafia. Having said that, this early in the game there's not much of a trail in any case. Thats why the inactive route is the better choice. Maybe we should wait a bit and get a better look at who's going to be useless in this game and spare L. I guarantee 2-3 idiots are going to stroll in here in about 6 hours saying "oh hey just saw the game started" or "oh I was so busy with schoolwork I had no time. I guess I'll check up on the thread now." What I am worried about is that Mafia will not adopt lurker policy due to Ace's harsh mod-kill policy. Because of mandatory 1 post per day and one has to vote within the thread, it will be really hard for anyone to try to be inactive without drawing town attention onto themselves. I do recommend waiting for everyone to make their first post, but lynching due to inactivity should only apply when there are absolutely no suspect present. | ||
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On March 24 2010 01:43 Versatile wrote: as far as someone nuking without town consensus, how about they get nuked by the person above/below them in the list? this would help in beginning to determine who may have what "powers". also, there's all this discussion about how to punish someone for nuking without town consensus, but no discussion on how we decide who does nuke. and how to figure out who has nuking capabilities. i think some altered form of 789/ace's plan in the caller game might be useful here. If we are correct about wanting to use nukes as pro-town powers, then trying to create list of who can nuke is basically tantamount to providing vigilante list Mafia can just NK. | ||
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However, I believe there are strong chance of role such as "Crazy gun-owner" that insta-kills the player that choose to nuke them. From the OP: "Some countries have seen a nuclear war coming and have constructed nuclear missile defense systems. Nukes may be shot down or worse..." Shot down part refers to anti-missile defense that is being discussed. The addition of word "worse" indicates that there are another defense or ability that is triggered by being target of the nuke. | ||
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On March 24 2010 03:35 Caller wrote: Show nested quote + On March 24 2010 03:33 haster27 wrote: I do not believe there are vote-affecting roles in this game- to my memory there had never been such role in TL after the epic failure WRATH OF KHAAAAAN turned out to be. Like XeliN said, the vote list is published for all to see, so even if such role exist there should be no or little wiggle room for that player to exercise his ability. However, I believe there are strong chance of role such as "Crazy gun-owner" that insta-kills the player that choose to nuke them. From the OP: "Some countries have seen a nuclear war coming and have constructed nuclear missile defense systems. Nukes may be shot down or worse..." Shot down part refers to anti-missile defense that is being discussed. The addition of word "worse" indicates that there are another defense or ability that is triggered by being target of the nuke. (not an actual nuke) | ||
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On March 24 2010 03:38 Caller wrote: Show nested quote + On March 24 2010 03:37 haster27 wrote: On March 24 2010 03:35 Caller wrote: On March 24 2010 03:33 haster27 wrote: I do not believe there are vote-affecting roles in this game- to my memory there had never been such role in TL after the epic failure WRATH OF KHAAAAAN turned out to be. Like XeliN said, the vote list is published for all to see, so even if such role exist there should be no or little wiggle room for that player to exercise his ability. However, I believe there are strong chance of role such as "Crazy gun-owner" that insta-kills the player that choose to nuke them. From the OP: "Some countries have seen a nuclear war coming and have constructed nuclear missile defense systems. Nukes may be shot down or worse..." Shot down part refers to anti-missile defense that is being discussed. The addition of word "worse" indicates that there are another defense or ability that is triggered by being target of the nuke. (not an actual nuke) you're the one hating on my successful game Oh yeah, you were the one that hosted that game, right? Sorry. But you have to agree the conclusion where entire Mafia doomed themselves by role-claiming as "Towine" was hilarious as hell. | ||
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On March 24 2010 03:45 Fishball wrote: Show nested quote + On March 24 2010 03:38 XeliN wrote: On March 24 2010 03:30 Fishball wrote: On March 24 2010 02:04 XeliN wrote: L being banned for 2 days in my eyes means he is not a viable candidate to be lynched, although the posts he has made already I disagree with but that might simply be because he's L and thats my general reaction to whatever he posts. As to the idea of retaliation against a player who has an itchy trigger finger, we have the perfect form of retaliation. We lynch them. Or to put it more bluntly Any player launching a nuke against another without at the very least providing coherent argument for doing so will be lynched. Furthermore the only instance whereby we would launch against a player who acts in this way would be if we already have a good candidate for lynching, then we will nuke or multiple nuke them (I am of the opinion that 2 ought to be enough) To get things started off in the voting section I am going to be Voting ~OpZ~ His post earlier on both seemed different in style to the way he posted in the last game and also was riddled with subtle "I am town" choice of wording, something I consciously made an effort to do in the last game I was mafia so guess I'll go along with my instinct here. To me, the tone OpZ used gives me the impression that he has the power to nuke. Doesn't feel scummy to me at this point of the game though. If you're Mafia, that would be a dumb way to get unwanted attention. You disagree with my observation on ~OpZ~ fine, i made it clear it was mostly intuitive based on how I tried to act when I was mafia, you then coming out and making what is essentially a slight accusation without actually doing so concerns me more. If I was mafia then yes it might be unintelligent to bring attention to myself early in this way, that is obvious. What concerns me more is did you type that just to state something obvious or did you just want to write the word "mafia" about another player? You totally misread my post. I'm not talking about you at all. I said "IF you're mafia", you wouldn't want unnecessary attention, which is what OpZ did. That's a WIFOM. | ||
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On March 24 2010 03:49 JeeJee wrote: hey look a spam attack whatsa matter, don't want people reading the lynch all nukers plan? i want your input/agreement on it (i guess it is same as zona's now as he has amended his to revenge-lynch the first nuker instead of revenge-nuke) talk, haster. Yes, I do not see any problem with it, especially it doesn't have to worry about ToD and possibility of the nuker having more than one anti-missile defense. I do not believe I spammed that much though; most of my posts contain my opinion about how to play this game, and well, how do you expect me to respond when Caller is going all | ||
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##vote: Abenson On March 24 2010 21:28 Zona wrote: Btw, everyone, we have less than 16 hours to form a majority vote on someone. Right now Opz and L have have the most votes, with 5 or 4 votes respectively. If you aren't going to be around again before the deadline, you need to put a vote down, preferably on someone who has some sort of reasoning behind a push for their votes (although day 1 lynches are likely to be as flimsy as always). We as a town cannot afford to no lynch! Vote for someone in the 16 hours to come, and keep in mind we need a majority vote (of 12) to lynch successfully! By the way, I know you probably looked at Ace's post but this is misleading. With my vote included the top three leaders are now: L (6) Abenson (4) ~Opz~ (3) | ||
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On March 25 2010 03:13 JeeJee wrote: soooooo right now the town is divided into thirds, pretty much. 8 voting for abenson, 7 for L, 7 elsewhere (or not voting at all). unfortunately given the majority rule which is different from all the TL games, if we want to lynch someone, one of these groups is gonna have to go. personally i think it should be the L group, but i'd be just as happy if the other group decided where the hell they wanted to vote already. these bill murray votes aren't helping either >.< Yup, I think people are not understanding the implications of majority rule. Because majority is essential, it is pro-town to vote for the leading lynch canddiates; because Mafia can easily avoid blame games by voting for player they now has no chance of attaining majority. At least give a sound reasoning when voting for such players so town have chance of being persuaded into following you. | ||
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On March 25 2010 03:39 Phrujbaz wrote: Show nested quote + On March 25 2010 03:32 Fishball wrote: On March 25 2010 03:31 Phrujbaz wrote: LOL is there a feature to be emailed if you get a pm? No, why don't you check the thread everyday instead? If you say you can't, why did you even bother signing up? I definitely can. Thought it hadn't started yet. >_> It is theme game run by ACE. You should have expected the slot to fill up ridiculously fast. Oh well, there shall be always next time (I think). | ||
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I think OpZ is being honest in his statement because his quoted post definitely prove there were private correspondence between him and Abenson. This means they are either Mafia or one or two of them has a role that can PM, but honestly it would be dumb move for Mafia to claim blue role just to save single Mafia (unless Abenson has Mafia special role). This is bad because besides L, Abenson is currently the only one the town will seemingly be able to attain majority vote for. And I am emphasizing that voting out L without any in-game evidence is stupid move. I am going to skip day 1 lynch unless new suspect comes up, and I hope everyone else does the same rather than voting out L simply because he is the only notable candidate for lynch (we gain no information either way). Either way, I am not impressed with how Abenson is playing, although it could be that he was instructed to lurk while OpZ went to the front-lines. He vote for L out of nowhere during the lurking, and does not expect the Town to suspect him? Also I am wondering the reasoning behind his suspect list. I mean, I understand I could be seen as suspicious for initiating a bandwagon, but why Xelin? What distinguishes him from the rest of the players that chose to vote for him? ##Vote: Abstain | ||
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On March 25 2010 07:14 johnnyspazz wrote: i think the people abstaining are really dumb, you're preventing the town from getting information and we need all the information we can get since there are no clues. if it's true that opz and abenson both know each other's roles and shit, then abenson needs to confirm that in the thread so the suspicion is no longer on them. we can have them both RC each other in the thread so that if one of them dies, atleast we know that the other one is also telling the truth since the majority of the votes are on them. Usually that would be the case, but KP of Mafia in this game is 1. This means we have some breathing room as long as no one becomes crazy and start launching nukes. It seems somewhat obvious that OpZ and Abenson, although having failed massively, are likely innocent. Why decrease number in our side and decrease our probability of winning? | ||
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On March 25 2010 07:24 Zona wrote: Show nested quote + On March 25 2010 07:17 haster27 wrote: On March 25 2010 07:14 johnnyspazz wrote: i think the people abstaining are really dumb, you're preventing the town from getting information and we need all the information we can get since there are no clues. if it's true that opz and abenson both know each other's roles and shit, then abenson needs to confirm that in the thread so the suspicion is no longer on them. we can have them both RC each other in the thread so that if one of them dies, atleast we know that the other one is also telling the truth since the majority of the votes are on them. Usually that would be the case, but KP of Mafia in this game is 1. This means we have some breathing room as long as no one becomes crazy and start launching nukes. It seems somewhat obvious that OpZ and Abenson, although having failed massively, are likely innocent. Why decrease number in our side and decrease our probability of winning? Whether or not we have "breathing room", no lynches are horrible, they allow mafia to control who dies, and what information is revealed. If we no lynch we have ZERO chance of hitting mafia, but if we lynch, at least there is a probability that we reduce their numbers by one. As well, after a successful lynch, the town can later review how players voted when new information surfaces to learn more about each player who participated in the vote. As for Mafia KP being one, I think it's highly likely there's a third party who also probably has a KP of 1 as well. If there's no other regular kill, this game has the potential to drag on forever with so many players. All right. I checked your plan and I'll follow it, but I am highly skeptical about chance of getting 10 more players in time. Also, I think Ace might have expected some stupid nuke kills from the players to balance things out, but I suppose we'll know about overall KP when the night ends anyway. ##Vote: RebirthOfLegend The new plan is to vote out RebirthOfLegend. Everyone contribute after reading this post. | ||
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On March 25 2010 07:28 XeliN wrote: I'm going to ##vote Elemenope . He has contributed alot and from what I have read I don't see how it is possible that he would argue for lynching one of OpZ and Abenson, now we know they are confirmed, from a pro-town perspective. Other than that I would switch to voting for the least active poster if it means getting a majority. I respect your opinion, but seeing as how this is majority vote, we need to either vote for Abenson or RebirthOfLegend. Can you change your vote to ROL? | ||
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On March 25 2010 07:39 Bill Murray wrote: Show nested quote + On March 25 2010 07:27 Zona wrote: I am suggesting RebirthOfLegend, since he is the next best lurker. However, with less than 6 hours to go, I do think it will have to be Abenson (or L), which is against my wishes. How about this - if you are online, reading, and willing to change your vote, post! Quote this post and reply if you must. We need to consider if we have enough town members to change who the majority will be, or else we have to settle for Abenson or L. here for a short while, willing to change if necessary, as it has been proven a random lynch is more pro town than a no lynch. If you and Xelin joins in, at least half of the job is done. Hopefully six more will join in as well- still half a day left. As Abenson has been RC'd as mason, I no longer think this choice will gain enough traction with town members unless our group swings back. | ||
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On March 25 2010 07:56 Iaaan wrote: ##Vote: RebirthOfLegend Voting for L is dumb because we wont learn anything other than his role, since he hasn't been able to post. I propose that, in order to extend the day, someone without nukes could launch a fake nuke. Thoughts? I was going to write a bit more, but I figured I should bring up the idea for discussion first. Good thing I checked this thread again. Lets REALLY put this away as the rest final resort. If we start allowing fake nukes now due to such "contingencies", the anti-nuke proliferation rule the Town currently has is going to break apart sooner or later. We managed to gather seven votes, so hopefully there is hope. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On March 25 2010 06:26 Zona wrote: Alright, here's the deal. I'm not close to being impressed by what Abenson is contributing. But if he and you, OpZ, are claiming masons, I'm willing to try to lynch someone else for now. As of last post: Zona: 32 ~OpZ~: 19 XeliN: 16 Versatile: 16 Amber[LighT]: 14 haster27: 14 Elemenope: 13 JeeJee: 12 Fishball: 9 iNfuNdiBuLuM: 9 meeple: 9 Caller: 9 johnnyspazz: 7 Iaaan: 7 d3_crescentia: 7 nemY: 6 Nikon: 4 Abenson: 4 tree.hugger: 4 RebirthOfLeGenD: 3 Phrujbaz: 2 L: 2 As of now, Rebirth of Legend has the lowest amount of posts (ignoring L), and not one of his three posts is useful. Even L's 2 posts has contributed to the shaping of the town's no-nuke-initiation plan. The other end is the odd argument that he was an extra player added, that probably is town or third party, but that was shot down as we shouldn't make any assumptions on how Ace is laying things out. So I will switch my vote to him. ##Vote: RebirthOfLegend On March 25 2010 07:40 Zona wrote: Anyone voting for RebirthOfLegend with us needs to be ready to switch back to another candidate if this choice doesn't gain traction, so we can obtain a majority vote to avoid a no lynch for day 1! If it's possible, try to spare some time to check back later today, before 12AM EST! We currently have eight votes against ROL!! | ||
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I realized from your comment that Caller also was being somewhat inactive, but he had at the beginning of the game tossed ideas that helped the town formulate the anti-nuke policy. At least reveal your intent to launch a nuke so people have chance to talk about your decision instead of just creating maelstrom. On March 25 2010 09:17 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: No problem, sure glad I almost had a majority vote on me before I decided to read the rules. I don't have much to say about this except that it has been, what, more than 30 hours since the game begin. On March 25 2010 09:07 Versatile wrote: hey, just a question here. why does everyone think mafia has only 1KP? the OP states "Mafia have night kills just like in normal games. Mafia can kill 1 player per night no matter how many of them are alive". however, that doesn't mean that they cannot have a higher KP. did ace address that somewhere else where i may have missed it? or is this just a town assumption based on the wording? If this is true, and Ace's word meant that Mafia AT LEAST have 1 KP no matter how little of them are, this is bad. This is exactly kind of thing Ace would like to do too -_-;; It would mean that Mafia can kill us off more quickly than I had anticipated, and that there are probably less Mafia than we were predicting. All of this being another reason we should hold off using nukes. Okay, I want to discuss whether we should use anti-missile defense to save Caller or not. RebirthOfLegend has a point in that Caller is being too quiet, but should we really risk losing potential Townie/be more closer to ToD just for the sake of more information? Personally I want to intercept it just to set an example against non-concensus nukers but eventually its all up to those who have anti-nukes. Please do not make careless decision. | ||
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I am leaving for today. Hope somehow everything ends up well tomorrow. | ||
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On March 25 2010 23:37 L wrote: 1) If abenson confirms that he/opz are masons, killing one of them lets every person in the game roleclaim to opz via confirmation. This is big shit. How can we role-claim to him without getting it also known by anyone else when PM is prohibited? | ||
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My position is that unless there are clear suspect, we should maintain our vote on RoL. This is solely because of his nuke launch; had we not discussed that showing unwillingness to punish the player from non-consensus lynching will quickly collapse this Town into state of Wild Wild West? If we let him go off free, what prevents any random Townie or random Mafia from suddenly nuking someone with somewhat convincing reasoning? | ||
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On March 26 2010 05:46 L wrote: Oh yeah, ##Vote tree.hugger Kid clearly wanted to wagon me. I'd much prefer that we nuke the shit out of RoL and use anti-nukes on any retaliatory strikes. If he's town he shouldn't throw extra nukes out. If he's mafia, good. 2 seems like a good number of missiles. The list of people who wanted to off me during a 36 hour ban is either full of retards, mafia, or people who are still consumed with the ghost of the rage donut. I suggest the best course of action for the town is to simply lynch everyone on that list. I am seriously beginning to doubt my decision to argue in your favour. First, there are lot of things wrong about launching nuke against him, with cliches such as ToD waste of nuke etc etc, but the most damning of all is that the very fact you are advocating nuke as his mean of death instead of the lynch. First, RoL is the player who decided to launch a nuke because he was pushed into majority lynch position. His comments and spats against other Townie prove that he is type of player who base at least part of his decisions on emotions. Do you seriously expect he will not retaliate when someone launches an nuke against him, especially if its by 'unconfirmed' Townie? You propose we should use anti-nuke at his retaliatory missile, but isn't the conservation of Town's defensive ability part of the reason why we are acting reluctant to save Caller (although agreeably his lurkish behaviour also contributed to this a lot)? Why risk decreasing Town's nuke defense capability by 1 when we can simply lynch him out? If you were serious about eliminating all the people that bandwagoned against you with intent of being an pro-town, you would have proposed lynching RoL and nuking tree.hugger. This plan is far more efficient than your quoted idea because: 1) It both leads to your suspect's death. 2) More realistic; has no worry about day 1 ending with no lynch during the confusion the Town switches their votes from RoD to tree.hugger. 3) There are less risk of retaliatory nuke- the Town does not need to waste anti-nuke needlessly. 4) More information; whether tree.hugger possesses nuke or anti-nukes. I mean, I know you are half-joking, but this is such an horrendous proposal that I just had to write this out. Of course the most pro-town move would be to HOLD OFF THE NUKES, wait for the alignment of RoL (and possibly Caller) and NK, then make day 2 lynch as an rational human beings. | ||
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We have exactly 28 minutes to discuss this. | ||
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On March 26 2010 08:27 ~OpZ~ wrote: 8:54 KST...Very shortly I don't think we can do it...And no body wont post they're here... We can do it (assuming there are nuke-wielder here), but without discussion we're going to RoL'd. | ||
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On March 26 2010 08:29 L wrote: Show nested quote + On March 26 2010 08:26 haster27 wrote: 08:54 KST We have exactly 28 minutes to discuss this. Nope. And since I see no rules against this: ##nuke: L I have no nukes, sup. While I'd love to keep the fact that I have no nukes a secret to dissuade morans from throwing nuclear bomblets at my precious face, I will have to do what I have to do. If we ever need a day extended, I can now bomb myself. Jesus Christ. | ||
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On March 26 2010 08:42 ~OpZ~ wrote: Show nested quote + On March 26 2010 08:36 haster27 wrote: I'm worried about Ace typing in something like "L launched a normal missile, and since it has been launched from its country, it just took 1 seconds to return back and blast the hell out of the idiotic base that had ordered to bomb itself" because this is game-breaking; the person about to be lynched can literally keep doing this eternally when he do not have any nukes. Touche...But they really can't. They can only fire one nuke per 24 hours. And at the end of the 24 hours its instalynch. And if that was a problem.. L could set up a nuke at me if he'd like. My proud nation is not afraid of | ||
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And nice acting RoL. You had power to kill one of your suspects all along. I suspect you would have went for Zona considering he was your next suspect? I know you are pissed at how he bandwagoned you, but he so far didn't seem any anti-town so please do not hit him with your powers. | ||
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On March 26 2010 09:39 d3_crescentia wrote: Wait, what is a vengeful townie? I think if he is killed, he is allowed to kill one person of his choice. REVENGE!! | ||
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Okay, what we should do now is lynch Tree.hugger day 2 except in off chance his nuke manage to hit L and he flips red. There should NOT be nukes launched against him because he explicitly stated his intention to revenge-nuke and creating more opportunities to waste anti-nukes is simply idiotic. I think even Tree.hugger will agree with what I wrote above considering that he had stated he will lynch himself should this gambit fail. Now onto the matter of two air-born nukes, for myself I would like to see nuke toward L intercepted and one toward JohnnySpazz unhindered. JohnnySpazz seems to be decent suspect which was being advocated by confirmed Townie ("Abenson") and is not impressing me with his posts. Also what is up with his vague roleclaim? Either not roleclaim at all, or reveal full extent of your abilities so Town can make better decision about what to do with you. On the contrary, I would like nuke toward L intercepted for the same reason I suggested shooting down Caller's nuke; telling the non-concensus nukers that they are not the above Town's law. Hell if the people are not getting message from RoL lynch, then we'll just have to force feed this simple fact over and over again until they hurl. Moreover L would likely have been voted out day 1 if I had not initiated bandwagon against Abenson to exactly prevent this- I think the fact that he was bandwagoned against to near death itself proves that he is likely Town-oriented. On March 26 2010 23:20 Abenson wrote: Hi guys... I have water polo tournament (provincials, Yay!) this weekend and I'm just about to leave for it. Unfortunately, the coaches have placed a ban on all computers, video games, etc. So I will be unable to bring my laptop. Therefore I will be inactive for the next 3 days, sorry for the inconvenience. You may replace me if you have to. I apologize again for this and I hope the rest of you have fun. Also, this is a great opportunity; getting a good player into Abenson's spot will really revitalize the effectiveness of Mason. | ||
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On March 27 2010 09:17 johnnyspazz wrote: ... wow i'm being really dumb okay thank you for pointing out for me although i think i'm probably dead when night comes Does that mean you already sent the PM? Why would you send a PM defending L first then you? | ||
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On March 27 2010 10:28 Elemenope wrote: I'm going to go with my instinct and say XeliN launched the nuke in which case I ask: why? Why suddenly Xelin out of all people? | ||
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March 27 2010 02:58 GMT
#1002
On the other note one thing that concerns me about NK nuke is that it EXTENDS the day. This is significant because it is beneficial for Mafia to get shorter days, which allows them to control the death in Town via NK. Instead this anonymous nuke has extended the day for four more hours. I think this suggests few possibilities: 1) NK is the third party. 2) Mafia wants the day to extend; as in, it is beneficial for Mafia to have Townie launch more nukes during the day 1. I think second possibility is more likely since the third party with such aggressive ability yet independent of Mafia can only be SK, and I doubt SK would exercise his ability so early when his goal (death of all players) are so long-term. This means we should DEFINITELY be careful when launching nukes, as it IS possible for Mafia to benefit by random-nuke launching Townies unlike they themselves seem to believe. 1- Elimination of Town nuke and anti-nuke power. 2- Town friendly nuke kill. 3- More chaos and panic. This is why I am suddenly more reluctant to nuke tree.hugger because if tree.hugger is Mafia, he would have gotten chance to launch one more free nuke by surviving through day 2. Of course, we still need to lynch him via anti-nuke policy but I think nuke should be better spent on other possible suspects if they must be launched. | ||
haster27
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March 27 2010 03:27 GMT
#1017
On March 27 2010 12:24 XeliN wrote: Show nested quote + On March 27 2010 12:10 L wrote: On March 27 2010 12:06 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: On March 27 2010 12:04 L wrote: On March 27 2010 12:00 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: The way I see it LMNOP is so obviously pro town that the NK nukes are 99% sure to come from mafia. Given how Ace loves retarded roles, its entirely possible that NK has no affiliation. Either way, LMNOP was railing decently hard against XeliN which means XeliN is probably being set up. This is true. I should have said 99% not town. It's possible it's a trick to get us to go after XeLiN, though i haven't seen him be particularly helpful anyway. regardless, i'm pretty sure we have to lynch tree hugger tomorrow? We should kill him before he can nuke again. If he is indeed mafia, there would be nothing stopping him from attempting to rub another out. Worst case; he absorbs anti-nukes. I'm not entirely certain that he's mafia given how ballsy his move was, but the only thing I'm sure of is that we shouldn't be pussies about counter-nuking people who don't agree with our anti-nuke position. If we aren't firm on that point, we simply can't dissuade nukes. "Excuse me" was in reference mainly to this, should have quoted. I think L was referring to tree.hugger, or am I missing something. | ||
haster27
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March 27 2010 16:48 GMT
#1065
We definitely should save Elemenope who is very likely be target of Mafia nuke. I have already stated in my previous vote that Mafia will most likely use their anonymous nuke advantage to gain most profit, which is why they would choose to nuke Townie than Mafia. We should save L who is currently being threatened by Versatile. He has been one of Town's most active contributors, have almost been bandwagoned to death, and I just love how most people are not arguing against the content of his post but his character. We should save BM who is currently being threatened by Versatile, preferably by himself if he has more than one anti-nuke in his stockpile. BM has already used one nuke and one anti-nuke, and has declared intention to use another anti-nuke. This makes it likely that he possess more nuking and anti-nuking powers, and make him firm Mafia target in night 1. So BM should try to keep himself alive at all costs so that there are more opportunity for Town to use his abilities before he is removed from the game. We definitely need to lynch Versatile day 2 as she is non-concensus nuker. This means bumping tree.hugger off the lynch list, but at least he has shown willingness to no longer nuke unlike Versatile who is currently berserk; it is clear that she would launch more of her nukes in the upcoming days. Considering the threat of retaliation nuke, day 2 lynch seem to be the most safe way Town has of removing her. In fact, we should not anti-nuke BM's nuke, so the Town can actually start to find and kill Mafia instead of having to kill idiotic nuking rogues. | ||
haster27
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March 27 2010 16:57 GMT
#1067
On March 28 2010 01:53 meeple wrote: Was tree.hugger really high on the lynch list? I know he nuked without town consensus but technically the nuke got shot down. As for lynching Versatile... well it's pretty obvious she's being fairly anti-town and just doing whatever the hell she wants to do... so I'd agree with lynching but I still have the same twinges of regret since we're not really any closer to bagging us some mafia. We can only hope that there are indeed some Mafia nukers trying to cover themselves amidst the chaos created by non-concensus nukers. Actually, this is the point I have made in the previous about NK nuke people. The NK nuke extended the day, and has allowed Versatile-BM nuke situation to occur. From this I might believe Mafia want Townie to nuke the fuck out of each other contrary to nuker themselves think. | ||
haster27
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March 27 2010 18:22 GMT
#1070
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haster27
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March 27 2010 18:35 GMT
#1074
Then send to PM to Ace like this: ##I use my anti-nuke to shoot down Versatile's missile toward L. ##I use my anti-nuke to shoot down Versatile's missile toward Bill Murray. (being cautious here because I don't know why johnny anti-nuke did not work.) | ||
haster27
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March 27 2010 18:37 GMT
#1075
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haster27
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March 27 2010 18:49 GMT
#1076
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haster27
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March 27 2010 19:04 GMT
#1078
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haster27
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March 27 2010 19:19 GMT
#1081
I'm guessing anti-nukes and anti-missile defense is different then. I will never understand this set of rules. Anyone else who have not fired anti-nuke in day 1, please intercept nuke headed toward L and Bill Murray. | ||
haster27
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March 27 2010 19:34 GMT
#1083
I agree with Elemenope in that these people should speak up about this situation. | ||
haster27
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March 28 2010 01:03 GMT
#1124
Many are accepting his confession pretty leniently (which surprised me actually), so this is a food for thought. I find it highly unlikely that country such as NK, especially considering its abilities, do not have anti-town role; it is possible that Xelin, when ~OpZ~ pointed him out immediately with acceptable argument, panicked and tried to throw the suspicion off him by revealing himself, downgrading his perception from potential scum to one of those stupid foolish non-concensus-nuke-launching townies that is currently flooding the town. Current non-concensus nuker list Versatile Xelin tree.hugger (listed from top to bottom the greater need to lynch) | ||
haster27
Taiwan809 Posts
March 28 2010 01:21 GMT
#1127
On March 28 2010 10:09 L wrote: Good fucking lord, chrome and/or TL is fucked right now. Couldn't get on in the last like 3 hours. ##nuke:Caller Away you go fake missiles. Away you go. Why don't you use FF? I assume those will work b/c I am having absolutely no problem with my Safari (mac). Also I think you can stop breathing down tree.hugger's neck for now- there are too many suspect & crazier non-concensus nukers present to bother about him right now. | ||
haster27
Taiwan809 Posts
March 28 2010 17:15 GMT
#1252
* Fishball -Is consistent on his hate against L + Show Spoiler + He really hasn't made any noticeable moves, didn't he? Only impression I gathered from reading his 28 posts was just about how much amusement he is having from this anticipated-nuke-chaos and his hate against L -_-;;; Since there is not much to work about him, I'll skip him for now though it is possible he is Mafia adopting lurking strategy. * d3_crescentia -Against revenge-nuke policy due to possibility of retaliation nuke -Justifies inactivity in the grounds that "[after RoL nuked Caller] it has been a pissing contest between L and friends" -Against using anti-nuke to save L and Bill Murray (reserve them for late game) + Show Spoiler + He is another one of inactive player, with 16 posts. Above three statements seems to summarize his contribution in the thread pretty well. Once again, could be lurking Mafia like Fishball. He has also rejected revenge-nuke policy and using anti-nuke, but I am not sure he has done because he hates L or because he is anti-town. * tree.hugger (tries to nuke L) -Against person with anti-nukes from stepping forward. -Argues that if L is not mafia, he might be saved, while if L is mafia, he will definitely be saved; also states that this nuke might force L to be more "friendly and constructive". -Reverates between attempt to answer L's statement and attack of his character. -Declares his intention no longer to nuke -Argues against revenge-nuke policy. -Shows regret about Versatile's nuke, said his nuke satisfied his intentions already. + Show Spoiler + Now we come to the big leagues, cream of the crop; the people who already sinned against the Town by launching their illogical nukes against those who we now know as pro-town. My first point about him is in fact pro-town move. Nothing to say about that. However, I simply cannot comprehend his reason for launching nuke against L. It is basically saying nothing; so if L is saved, it could be from either Townie or Mafia, but because I expect townie to follow my words and not save obviously pro-town L from dying, he is Mafia? What? Also I cannot simply understand how launching nuke against L will make him more "friendly". Even to newcomer like me, looking at all the opinion anti-L players have about him, L is more likely to rage more rather than calm down when the nuke is launched against him. Good analogy: Will 6-pooling IdrA to teach him a lesson actually teach him a lesson, causing him to be good-mannered player thereafter? He being one of the unique players who attempts to criticize L in calm logical grounds, I cannot believe why he would launch something significant as nuke for such simple, illogical reasoning. Finally, let me say something obvious just in case some player did not realize this: Displaying willingness to concede to Town's will after launching nukes does not prove he or she is Townie. In fact, while angry Townie may keep trolling against the Town, it is mandatory for the Mafia to "turn over the new leaf" because otherwise, Town will be FORCED to lynch that person to prevent him or her from launching more nukes in rage. Instead, by showing desire to no longer launch nukes, they could possibly have respite for few days while Town lets off their collective sigh and try to lynch off other suspects. * Versatile (nukes L and Bill Murray) -"as far as someone nuking without town consensus, how about they get nuked by the person above/below them in the list? this would help in beginning to determine who may have what 'powers'"; later justifies this statement on the grounds that this stops multiple person from firing nuke simultaneously at the same time. -Stresses there must be game plan before nukes are launched in order to preserve town order. -Against using anti-nukes to save L (reserve them for late game), states that anyone revenge-nuking her will get counter-nuked as well. -Nuke L and BM -Launches slandering campaign against L -Proposes that anyone agreeing with her is likely Mafia -THE FAKE NUKE HITS HER. -Declares her intention no longer to nuke. -Suspect list iaaan caller amberlight nemy d3_Crescentia xelin nikon fishball + Show Spoiler + I strongly believe Versatile is Mafia for several reasons. Let me first point you to the first point I have against her. This is a direct quote. With second point, it seems like Versatile is pro-town player who is interested in keeping order at the Town. Yet at this moment, she is responsible for greatest chaos in this game and have caused death of two Town players. I cannot comprehend why she would metamorphosis into raging monster like this, only to "[turn] over a new leaf" when L is finally dead. Mafia players generally try to conceal themselves by following the atmosphere of the town (often vote bandwagoning); as same way, she could have tried to downplay significance of her nuke in all hate and panic caused by tree.hugger nuke launch. Also may I state that the idea she proposed is highly illogical. It adds unnecessarily complexity to the revenge-nuke plan, and the loss from following this plan (Mafia finding out who has nukes) far overpowers the possible gain (prevents two townie from launching nuke at the same time unintentionally). Since nuke seems to Town's main and possibly only source of killing besides lynching (statement justified by the fact that even RoL's special abilities has been executed by means of the nuke), any move trying to find out owner of nukes and anti-nukes is anti-town. Third, I certainly do not understand why she would have anti-nuked Bill Murray. I understand Townie taking action into one's own hands to get suspect he or she is 100% certain about, but why would one counter-nuke the person who is just trying to follow the protocol of revenge-nuke plan? Even if she is not Mafia, this move is so anti-town that I'll feel no guilt even if she flips Town after she is killed. Only one thing initially hesitated me from lynching Versatile, and it is that BM's nuke flying toward her has not been intercepted. But once upon thought, Mafia will not intercept the nuke going toward her even if Versatile was Mafia. Versatile is non-concensus nuker whose crusade against L has been proved to be soundly wrong. There is no reason for Town to save her, and in fact considering how much non-concensus nuker Town has, Townie would be relieved that BM's nuke will take their hands off the matter of having to deal with killing Versatile. Thus saving Versatile will be waste of anti-nuke b/c it will immediately make her clear suspect, and likely to be lynched off day 2. In fact I find that it will be more likely for Mafia to save her if Versatile had been Townie, so they can bandwagon against her day 2 and soak up the lynch. Thus this is my current suspect list: Versatile tree.hugger Xelin Now this is my plan. We should NOT nuke Versatile or tree.hugger day 1 because there is possibility they will retaliate-nuke. We should avoid possibility of having more nukes pointed toward non-suspect player because with so much anti-nuke fired the availability of anti-nuke has decreased significantly due to one anti-nuke from player per day rule (BM who died with anti-nukes demonstrate my point pretty well). Due to his special ability I do not believe Xelin to have multiple nukes so: Thus ~OpZ~ nuke Xelin day 1, then lynch Versatile day 2. HOWEVER IT SEEMS THAT OPZ NUKED TREE.HUGGER JESUS CHRIST. Okay, revision in my plan. Do not shoot down ~OpZ~ nuke, if tree.hugger do not retaliate nuke somebody nuke Xelin day 1, then we lynch Versatile day 2. | ||
haster27
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March 28 2010 17:17 GMT
#1256
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haster27
Taiwan809 Posts
March 28 2010 17:23 GMT
#1258
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haster27
Taiwan809 Posts
March 28 2010 17:49 GMT
#1265
Point 2: The problem is if person A/B do not have nukes, they are going to say they do not have the nukes- which will continue on before we reach the person who has the nukes. However, at that point, the number of the players in the potential nuke-having Townies list for Mafia to pick from will have been reduced more than necessary. And yeah, ignore anti-nukes part. Point 3: It is neutral move. It cannot be proved as either pro-town or anti-town move unless the alignment of the players because even if you flip Mafia, the list you posted will simply be WIFOM'd to death. Point 4: I am assuming Mafia do not have that much anti-nukes here. If then, they will try to use anti-nuke more efficiently. Saving someone targetted by another one of non-concensus nuker Townie is more beneficial than saving someone who will clearly be under lot of suspicion after saving. However, I agree with your post, which is why my plan does not involve nuking you day 1. I will push you farther down the lynch list when new suspect appears. | ||
haster27
Taiwan809 Posts
March 28 2010 17:50 GMT
#1266
On March 29 2010 02:40 JeeJee wrote: also, one point that i believe hasn't been brought up yet that's EXTREMELY telling versatile has been hit by a nuke. ok so she didn't die, but nobody knew the nuke was fake. or well, at least the town didn't. that means if verse is on the mafia team, the mafia would probably be inclined to anti-nuke unless they knew that verse had no more abilities or something. now since the nuke hit we can likely conclude one of the following: 1) mafia has no anti nukes 2) verse is not mafia 3) mafia was willing to sacrifice verse for whatever reason (i.e. verse was out of nukes) 4) mafia has some way to tell fake nukes from real ones 5) some 3rd party explanation as verse is being brought up time and time again as a day2 lynch target, i thought i would bring this up as well to paint the whole story. comments? Check my long post. | ||
haster27
Taiwan809 Posts
March 28 2010 17:57 GMT
#1268
-states L being banned for 2 days is not good enough reason to vote for him. Impressive pro-town move earlier in the game. Has nothing to say about it. -advocates lynching rather than nuking non-concensus nukers. Neutral move -I agree with people voting L if in their eyes there is no-one who stands out as warranting a lynch. -against using anti-nuke on Caller Neutral move/not enough information -Abstain on RoL vote Neutral move -Anonymous nuke Elemenope Anti-town move; also, non-concensus nuking. -"What does FoS mean? and no, I did not launch this nuke on you, I personally would be happy to see it hit though." "Excuse me? I didn't even fire a nuke, and if I had I assure you I would have done it publically, i've already stated Elemenope as someone suspicious I wouldn't bother doing it in secret." (over-defensiveness?) You kept lying about your identity, even to the point of over-defensiveness (second quote). Also, food for thought: Wow Xelin claimed to be NK. I don't even know what is going on anymore. Many are accepting his confession pretty leniently (which surprised me actually), so this is a food for thought. I find it highly unlikely that country such as NK, especially considering its abilities, do not have anti-town role; it is possible that Xelin, when ~OpZ~ pointed him out immediately with acceptable argument, panicked and tried to throw the suspicion off him by revealing himself, downgrading his perception from potential scum to one of those stupid foolish non-concensus-nuke-launching townies that is currently flooding the town. -Suggests that if tree.hugger is red, Versatile is red as well. Neutral move/not enough information. In fact, this could be useful if tree.hugger flips red. If we bomb XeliN and see he is also red, Versatile is slightly less likely to be Mafia. I am not as sure about his scumminess, but we could get much information about Elemenope and even potentially Versatile by his flip. Of course, the decision to whether nuke him or not should definitely be made collectively. So should we nuke him, or do you guys think he is Town? | ||
haster27
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March 29 2010 14:46 GMT
#1332
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haster27
Taiwan809 Posts
March 29 2010 19:13 GMT
#1413
On March 30 2010 01:46 Nikon wrote: Don't put words in my mouth for your own convenience, Tree.hugger. Show nested quote + On March 30 2010 00:43 Zona wrote: I promised Ace I'd play to win...but this is getting ridiculous. We have started shooting each other a lot like the town in Caller's game. Well, with the bonus of each daykill dragging out fo 24 hours. On March 29 2010 20:23 Nikon wrote: On March 28 2010 23:12 Zona wrote: Post your plans, comments on plans, who you're suspicious of, what actions seem anti-town, etc. Plus posting isn't just to add to the discussion, but to allow the town to get a read on YOU. If you don't give us anything to work with, lurker scum can use you as someone to hide among. If you're town, that is. And then there's On March 29 2010 00:06 Zona wrote: We have 3 nuke-initiators. If we get no further information I'm comfortable lynching any among them. But we haven't even hit the first night yet, why don't we at least wait to see what information surfaces before we talk about an event that's far in the future? You're directly disagreeing with yourself. Based on this and how you've omitted various pieces of information in your nice big posts, I'd say that you're red. This is not a disagreement. First part, I want you (and other inactives) to post something useful. Now you're posting at least a tiny bit more, good. It would have been nice if you had posted more before you were called out. Second part, I'm responding to those who already saying "we should lynch player x next, we should nuke player y next" - I'm saying we don't need to fully need to commit to lynching a certain person right now when there's at least 72 hours more until the next lynch. In any case, unless a person posting a lot constantly repeats the same damn thing and doesn't take into account what everyone else is posting, it's likely you'll be able to find some change in opinion. Also - feel free to tell me what information I'm omitting, rather than make such a statement without providing any accompanying any evidence. And it's interesting you immediately call me red for such trivial reasons. When have any of my proposals not been in the interests of the town? When others have pointed out flaws in them, they have been modified. The real scummy plans are those that involve launching nukes early. Like I've said time and time again, these early nukes have such high chance of hitting town. And it's not just me saying this is likely theoretically. We know RoL is town. Who did his nuke hit? Johnnyspazz, town. The real problem is that even Opz, with the best townie claim so far in the game, is supporting plans that hurt the town. Well, what esle could I post at this point? Several people launched nukes, we have dead players already, NONE of them were red. Logically, we start lynching them, unless something extremely juicy pops up. I thought that's universally understood, however YOU posted asking to post future plans, and then YOU posted asking for more information. How is that not contradicting is beyond me. Show nested quote + On March 30 2010 00:43 Zona wrote:If I were mafia I'd be sitting back silently and cackling as the town kills other town members for me, not raging at the incompetence of my fellow town members. WIFOM, was it? Nikon, I don't endorse your action. You are simply choosing to nuke Zona- who contributed highly to the town- simply because there are some "contradictions" between the number of posts he made. Going way to overboard. Hell, I tried to point out why tree.hugger and versatile could be Mafia and tree.hugger turned out to be green. I'm starting to realize maybe, yeah, this random endorsing nuke plan is bad yeah? | ||
haster27
Taiwan809 Posts
March 29 2010 20:32 GMT
#1421
Actually, he did not seem to make any notable anti-town moves until he suddenly hurled a random nuke toward Zona like all non-concensus nuker does. I think he is being thought as more suspicious than others because most of the Town trust Zona as pro-town, perhaps even more so than L. I have already pointed out nuking simply because of contradiction is flimsy reasoning. At least other people have some reason or grudge that made them launch nukes- to contrary, I feel that Nikon came out of nowhere when he started his criticism of Zona and soon followed it up with nuke. As in, contradiction can be scum-tell, but just that it is strange that single contradiction has given Nikon enough conviction about him being scum to launch the nuke. "Let me spell it out for you. Five people are already dead, and it's only Day 1. All of them were town-affiliated. You can say that we're in a bit of a crisis right now."; This quote suggests that he is following the early town policy (extend the day as far as possible) while managing to sound hypocritical - because it is non-concensus nukers like him which pushed the town intio this position - at the same time. I don't know if I am overanalyzing this here, but this post could be attempt to paint himself as irrational Townie. One thing I like to note is that he is criticizing people for focusing on inactive players. After we find out his alignment we can use this to possibly detect how active the Mafia team actually is. Either way, I don't think I need to tell you that we need to lynch Mafia on day 2. This is critical since it will give us some groundwork, as we have no comment we with 100% certainty know had been spoken with anti-town intent. I suggest lynching Xelin as lowest priority for now because he is just as likely to be third party as Mafia, and simply lynching anti-town role who do not know the identity of other Mafia isn't going to be that helpful at all. For me, day 2 lynch should either be Nikon, Versatile, or one of the suspected inactives at very worst so we at least have idea what is general strategy of Mafia. I hope everyone else propose their lynch list so that when we finally go into day 2, we have concrete plan to follow instead of wandering aimlessly (followed by equally aimless nuke). Also, like I said in the previous notes, we should stop using nukes for day 1 at least. We should not give any more opportunities for scum to fire a shot at us until Japan and Sweden is able to use anti-nukes again. | ||
haster27
Taiwan809 Posts
March 29 2010 21:31 GMT
#1435
On March 30 2010 06:27 Nikon wrote: The nuke is a fake. Rest easy. wait, what? | ||
haster27
Taiwan809 Posts
March 29 2010 21:39 GMT
#1442
On March 30 2010 06:34 Nikon wrote: Show nested quote + On March 30 2010 06:31 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: On March 30 2010 06:27 Nikon wrote: The nuke is a fake. Rest easy. Are you FUCKING serious? No, we cannot rest easy. You can claim the nuke is a fake and that's fine, but the fact is none of us know and you have instilled yet another dilemma into the proceedings of the town. Zona is one of our most pro town members, and you have gone and launched a nuke at him and may have already drawn out an anti nuke. If the anti nuke hasn't been fired then there is surely debate about whether or not to do it. If you are town then this is one of the DUMBEST things you could have possibly done. if you are mafia, good job i guess, but you're getting lynched tomorrow. Nah, everything is under control. Courtesy of Kennegit. | ||
haster27
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March 29 2010 21:42 GMT
#1444
On March 30 2010 06:40 Nikon wrote: Show nested quote + On March 30 2010 06:36 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: On March 30 2010 06:34 Nikon wrote: On March 30 2010 06:31 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: On March 30 2010 06:27 Nikon wrote: The nuke is a fake. Rest easy. Are you FUCKING serious? No, we cannot rest easy. You can claim the nuke is a fake and that's fine, but the fact is none of us know and you have instilled yet another dilemma into the proceedings of the town. Zona is one of our most pro town members, and you have gone and launched a nuke at him and may have already drawn out an anti nuke. If the anti nuke hasn't been fired then there is surely debate about whether or not to do it. If you are town then this is one of the DUMBEST things you could have possibly done. if you are mafia, good job i guess, but you're getting lynched tomorrow. Nah, everything is under control. I just want to know: what could you have possibly been thinking that made you decide this was a good idea? Please. Allow me a glimpse into the netherworld of your brain. I'm thinking that about a quarter of the town is already dead, and it's still Day 1. That's drastic, we can't just go on trying to lynch mafia the normal way, as they've already been given a solid headstart. Also, our medic is dead, noone knows if there's a second one, and given the numer of players, and the fact that some of the people might just have anti-nukes instead, it's logical to conclude that there's no second medic, and so mafia pretty much have guaranteed nightkills. Your fake nuke does not help the town in anyway. In fact, I will be happy if it had not soaked up one of our anti-nukes already. | ||
haster27
Taiwan809 Posts
March 29 2010 21:47 GMT
#1451
On March 30 2010 06:43 Nikon wrote: Show nested quote + On March 30 2010 06:42 haster27 wrote: Your fake nuke does not help the town in anyway. In fact, I will be happy if it had not soaked up one of our anti-nukes already. I'm pretty sure that it hasn't unless you personally shot it down already? If I had, L definitely would not have died and the town would be in far better condition already. | ||
haster27
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March 29 2010 23:18 GMT
#1460
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haster27
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March 29 2010 23:43 GMT
#1464
On March 30 2010 08:39 Caller wrote: i just wish the day will end... You are hilarious. | ||
haster27
Taiwan809 Posts
March 31 2010 14:50 GMT
#1545
Most obvious of them is the fact that two of the players had been killed instead of one. This points to three possibilites: 1) Mafia has more than one KP- this theory has been tossed about here and there by some players, due to the Ace's ambiguous wording in his OP ("Mafia have night kills just like in normal games. Mafia can kill 1 player per night no matter how many of them are alive.") Personally I reject this theory because Amber[light] was one of the Town's inactive suspects and cannot see for now how his death would benefit the Mafia team. Thus we can assume that Amber[light] was unfortunate enough to be targetted by either of these two roles... 2) Vigilante- plausible, because as just mentioned, Amber[light] was Town's main suspect. This is good because as the day is about to end we can make a post asking them to kill certain players if necessary. Don't like how he targetted Amber[light] as there were much more better targets, but eh, extra KP in town's side is not really that bad at all (besides nukes). 3) Serial Killer- this is also probable, since SK wouldn't want his hit stacking with Mafia kill, and Mafia probably will not target someone who is being suspected of Mafia. Second, I am interested how Mafia went for meeple - which turned out to have blue role - instead of targetting any of the active posters (Jeejee, Zona, myself) or confirmed Townie. (~OpZ~, Abenson). Meeple wasn't thought as that much pro-town by majority of the town either, so I am beginning to wonder if it was just random hit or Mafia by some means was able to deduce meeple's alignment. Also, from Jeejee's post, we also have two more confirmed roles in this game: roleblocker and role that can steal nukes (most likely from anti-town). I have nothing more to add except that this gives another reason that one should try to keep quiet about his abilities unless necessary. And, oh yeah, I bet everyone is seeing this coming. ##Vote: Xelin | ||
haster27
Taiwan809 Posts
March 31 2010 16:24 GMT
#1548
On April 01 2010 01:05 Versatile wrote: okay well. i want the town to start discussing nuke targets. who does town think should be nuked? On April 01 2010 01:18 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: Upon further thought, i'm not so sure that Ace would put in a 3rd party with an independent set of victory conditions without mentioning it in the original post. Doing so would be a huge advantage to that person(s). While roles aren't listed, the town/mafia factions are and there is even the phrase "all countries are divided into two factions." Therefore I think we can rule out SK, VI, etc. What i think happened is mafia hits meeple (bluesnipe) and vigi hits amber. Mafia hit meeple because he was getting called out for not posting a lot, but he kept saying he was pro town, being active, helping etc. and so mafia knows meeple is not one of them and thus he is giving away his blue role. I still cannot understand what made meeple exceedingly stand out though. Is what you mentioned standard behaviour of blue role? | ||
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March 31 2010 16:36 GMT
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March 31 2010 20:11 GMT
#1576
On April 01 2010 05:06 XeliN wrote: my nuke on zona is fake. Highlighted for emphasis just in case someone missed it. Also, all the suspects I have advocated were all those who had went against the anti-nuke policy. Now if some Townies had not decided to play stupidly and nuke player which most of them turned out to be green, my strategy would have lynched Mafia pretty effectively. | ||
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April 01 2010 15:24 GMT
#1687
I have nothing to say anything about Xelin except good riddance. He played just like North Korea in the game, ignoring what people thought, even lying about validity of his nuke to successfully bomb the obvious pro-town player. Only thing we got out of this debacle is that, like ~OpZ~ mentioned, the player's country itself cannot be used to indicate that player's scumminess as two countries that is thought as "axis of evil" have proven to be blue and pro-town. This is one of his ridiculous ideas that I find a need to reject: On April 01 2010 05:14 XeliN wrote: Show nested quote + On April 01 2010 05:11 haster27 wrote: On April 01 2010 05:06 XeliN wrote: my nuke on zona is fake. Highlighted for emphasis just in case someone missed it. Also, all the suspects I have advocated were all those who had went against the anti-nuke policy. Now if some Townies had not decided to play stupidly and nuke player which most of them turned out to be green, my strategy would have lynched Mafia pretty effectively. If you are townie your strategy was idiotic as the mafia are unlikely even to have any nukes, and if they do they are sparse. Which is why Jeejee found himself one nukes short. Everyone should plan under assumption Mafia is saving up decent pile of nukes, because otherwise they can just attempt to bomb us down to bring our numbers equal or lower than them. I find laaan claim also very convenient, with the fact that nuking him will do nothing but raise ToD. but I can see Ace putting such abilities in especially since he has already suggested some players having secondary means of defense against nuke. If - I put if here because I am going to play Devil's Advocate later - we are going to roleclaim, then he should be one of the major detective check considerations. I find Fishball's claim very believable. Tracker is very powerful ability we have since anyone that goes to other players is likely to be Mafia- it is not kind of role Mafia can afford to ignore just to plant a seed of doubt on us. As for the Caller's counter roleclaim I find iffy. First off, I agree there is possibility that bus driver tried to frame Caller; if he isn't Mafia, they are obviously going to know from Caller's odd comments that he is blue role, which they could exploit by bus driving him toward meeple. But this possibility is garbage. They don't even know there are Tracker in the game, and if there are, what are the chances of Tracker checking Caller out of all the other suspects? It could be argued that Mafia bus driver'd Caller just to prevent him from using his abilities, but then it would have been more efficient for Mafia to roleblock Caller since bus driver probably have limited amount of times he can use his abilities. I say unless Jeejee's plan goes successfully due to medic save, we lynch him. Okay, also the idea of mass role-claim seem to be getting popular. I don't see anyone trying to find flaws in this plan, so this is my few pennies. First, we know Mafia can roleblock and steal nukes; is revealing all blue roles they can strategically kill/nuke/block really such a good idea? Second, the plan goes around the assumption that some Mafia will choose to claim as blue. It is true green-claimers are going to be suspected more than blue-claimers, but at this state of the Town they only have to keep themselves alive for just few more days- especially if 3 people are going to die every day as you claim. Obviously I could be missing something here, but I think the disadvantages of the plan - endangering blue roles - are greater than potential benefits. | ||
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April 01 2010 15:41 GMT
#1689
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April 01 2010 20:07 GMT
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April 02 2010 14:15 GMT
#1712
We are also carrying on with the roleclaim plan, right? I am Portugal, pro-town and vanilla Townie. (by the way, Abenson, maybe you should have delayed roleclaiming as UK until the night ended.) | ||
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April 02 2010 14:43 GMT
#1713
-told people to protect Fishball instead of Caller; agreed with massive roleclaiming. Sensible move, but is opinion shared by majority of the Townies. -tried to bring attention to Elemenope post which stated: Caller's roleclaim should not be trutsed, Fishball's claim should be seen with wary eyes, necessity of saving anti-nukes, necessity of killing Serial Killer, and approval of roleclaim plan. I am not sure Mafia will kill someone for highlighting someone else's post, but could have tried to not bring direct attention to this post by targeting the messenger instead of writer. I don't see anything here that would alarm the Mafia either though. Caller is already seen with suspicion, although I think people are more trusting of Fishball's Tracker claim. With today's NK being only one, I am not sure how much this statement would hold up. (Or maybe Versatile was killed by SK, and Mafia tried to hit Fishball but failed?) Roleclaim everyone seemed to agree with except me at the beginning. -fought a little bit with ~OpZ~ over her past non-concensus nuking. I think Townie brawling with each other is actually beneficial to the Mafia (cough). Looking at the summary, I cannot see a reason why Versatile would have been killed. Maybe just like meeple Mafia thought she was blue role, simply choosing to roleblock Fishball for the night. Also, I just proposed this possibility, it is possible Versatile was not killed by Mafia, and Mafia trying to hit Fishball failed. This would somewhat make sense. | ||
haster27
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April 02 2010 16:12 GMT
#1716
On April 03 2010 01:09 ~OpZ~ wrote: Show nested quote + On April 02 2010 23:15 haster27 wrote: Well, night kill is surprising. I understand Mafia might have been afraid of getting their NK nullified by medic protection, but I did not expect them to hit Versatile out of all people. But then she started playing fine for the past days, so I'll check if there was something she said that could have alarmed the Mafia. Do not have much to say until ~OpZ~ and Caller comes forward- actually, it would be better Caller spoke up first so the ~OpZ~ (confirmed Townie) can verify his words rather than giving chance for Caller to adjust his statement according to what ~OpZ~ said. We are also carrying on with the roleclaim plan, right? I am Portugal, pro-town and vanilla Townie. (by the way, Abenson, maybe you should have delayed roleclaiming as UK until the night ended.) Well he should have checked me, but we don't know... HURRY UP GAIS POST....I'm bout to go to work!!! =( lol revision ~OpZ~ -> Fishball. | ||
haster27
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April 03 2010 01:47 GMT
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April 03 2010 15:32 GMT
#1763
Looks like forcing people to roleclaim is actually working. Both laaan and Nikon has claimed Veteran but with conflicting testimonies about its ability- at least one of them is likely to be Mafia. Actually, I am convinced to believe laaan's claim is more legit. This is because he came forward with accusation that could easily turn against him- this is an exceedingly great pro-town move. I mean laaan's action definitely sounds more favourable than that of Nikon who just replied it was information he simply chose to withheld, which is clearly poor choice because other Veteran (Nikon should have known this from laaan's roleclaim) would have surely come forward to report the contradiction. However, I think Caller is better target for the lynch today. He lurks in the town and pops out when he is at chopping block because of it. He roleclaimed so there is no longer any reason for him to lurk. So why is he continuing to be unuseful to the town? He clearly is the most likely Mafia target we have at the moment. Also, Abenson. What the hell? Are you serious? | ||
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April 03 2010 16:52 GMT
#1774
On April 04 2010 01:44 ~OpZ~ wrote: Show nested quote + On April 04 2010 00:32 haster27 wrote: Also, Abenson. What the hell? Are you serious? Contingency planning. It serves a nice little purpose. I'll hold the nukes for now, he'll hold them in a minute, ect. ect. ect. Ya dig? So the Abenson nuke was just used to extend the day, if I am understanding it correctly? | ||
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April 03 2010 16:53 GMT
#1775
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April 03 2010 17:17 GMT
#1777
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April 03 2010 19:02 GMT
#1782
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April 04 2010 00:59 GMT
#1803
The day ends at April 04 23:27 KST. This is a roleclaim situation -> blue/green colour means confirmed. d3_crescentia ??? ??? JeeJee ??? ??? ~OpZ~ Canada Mason Caller Egypt Alignment Cop haster27 Portugal Townie Elemenope Vietnam Townie iNfuNdiBuLuM China Townie (only allowed to counter-nuke) Fishball France Tracker laaan Antarctica Veteran Nikon ??? Veteran Abenson United Kingdom Mason nemY ??? Townie Unclaimed country Japan Sweden Colombia Unclaimed Roles Roleblocker Nuke-stealer (Colombia) Bus driver Serial Killer Major Suspects Caller - epic inactivity laaan/Nikon - conflicting testimonies about Veteran ability. | ||
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April 04 2010 01:58 GMT
#1808
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April 04 2010 01:58 GMT
#1809
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April 04 2010 03:18 GMT
#1811
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April 04 2010 16:21 GMT
#1835
Also, can you clarify your suspicion on me due to Japan anti-nuke? I don't really understand your wording over there. I'll try to explain myself if you give me the exact page I start to act suspiciously. As for the all Nikon nuke debate, I think the payoff is definitely it. We gain ridiculously lot of information from it- the nuke can determine if Nikon was honest in his claim, and if it was, we can immediately get on to lynching laaan. Either way there will be one guaranteed Mafia to kill. Especially considering the fact that we now can use only about three nukes, I think this is fairly efficient way to use one. | ||
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April 04 2010 16:27 GMT
#1836
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April 04 2010 16:29 GMT
#1837
If Nikon is not Veteran: we get needed Mafia kill. If Nikon is Veteran: we can also be sure that laaan is Town because Mafia will not know the ability of Veteran. | ||
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April 04 2010 19:05 GMT
#1838
Also little cookie I want to throw down. To my understanding doesn't concept of insane & paranoid cops only apply to the roles that has "ambiguous" front of it? Because if it works like that, possibilities simplifies to either Caller being a Mafia or Nikon & d3_crescentia being a Mafia. | ||
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April 05 2010 17:29 GMT
#1876
Also I want to state that entire role-claiming process has been completed. d3_crescentia Sweden Townie JeeJee Pro-town; does not need to claim ~OpZ~ Canada Mason Caller Egypt Alignment Cop haster27 Portugal Townie Elemenope Vietnam Townie iNfuNdiBuLuM China Paranoid Gun Owner Fishball France Tracker laaan Antarctica Veteran; confirmed if Nikon survives nemY's nuke. Nikon Veteran; validity about to be checked by nemY's nuke. Abenson United Kingdom Mason nemY Italy Townie Note that we are missing Japan and Colombia, and Role Blocker/Bus Driver/Serial Killer/Nuke-stealer. | ||
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April 05 2010 18:36 GMT
#1880
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April 05 2010 19:39 GMT
#1883
Of course it could be me just being paranoid, so if we have any better suspect lined up I'll try to give Caller more opportunity to verify himself. | ||
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April 05 2010 20:24 GMT
#1886
On April 06 2010 04:58 JeeJee wrote: actually, haster's post just reminded me of something -- people were suggesting earlier that caller should have checked a confirmed townie such as abenson/opz instead of d3 for second night. i can't help but feel that this is extremely stupid. we know caller is either paranoid or insane (as his result on meeple gave scum iirc), so in either case, checking a confirmed townie will result in scum. the only way we can distinguish which one he is, is if he gets an innocent result (insane), or one of the people he checked flips mafia (paranoid). That is true. Could be attempt to discredit Caller, but I think most of it can be attributed to confusion about bus driver. In fact, I do not even completely understand what happened at Caller's first night check. So whose alignment did Caller get, meeple or Nikon? | ||
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April 05 2010 21:11 GMT
#1891
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April 06 2010 01:28 GMT
#1911
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April 06 2010 01:41 GMT
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April 06 2010 02:46 GMT
#1925
It is highly likely Nikon has reflect the nuke-back ability, and he is clearly Mafia for hiding this ability. Since we cannot remove him by nuke, this makes him a high possibility Mafia target. Also, does this move prove nemY as Town also since he is currently being targetted by highly likely Mafia nuke? At least, it is obvious we need to intercept it to keep Townie numbers high. There are also another possibility; Mafia has someone with ability that can affect 'any' nukes in the air, and is using it to frame Nikon, but considering the situation I feel this is extremely unlikely. Finally, what do we do with Caller - who is under fire due to Japan not roleclaiming - since nemY nuke turned out to be ineffective? Do we nuke him or keep him alive for the next day lynch? | ||
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April 06 2010 02:47 GMT
#1927
##Vote Nikon | ||
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April 06 2010 02:48 GMT
#1928
On April 06 2010 11:47 Iaaan wrote: I guess nemy isn't mafia tho? otherwise why would nikon counter nuke his teammate? perhaps we should save him in light of this, because of the small number of townies? Do we have positive proof that nemY is Mafia? | ||
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April 06 2010 02:51 GMT
#1933
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April 06 2010 03:04 GMT
#1939
Finally I want to state that this development makes laaan in a slightly less flattering light. It feels too convenient that out of all Mafia nuke-hacker was the one that laaan's roleclaim contradicted. It could have been Mafia ploy to decrease Town's nuke/anti-nuke stockpile. | ||
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April 06 2010 03:16 GMT
#1940
On April 06 2010 12:01 Ace wrote: By the way starting from my last post I'm counting down 24 hours. If you haven't voted or post between that and the next 24 hours you are modkilled. I am assuming this will be changed if the new nuke is launched, although Nikon's unexpected ability pretty messed up our plans. By the way I like how laaan and JeeJee voted nemY again despite the vote list from Ace's last post clearly showed they already had their votes on him. Pay more attention to the game guys :p | ||
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April 06 2010 03:16 GMT
#1941
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April 06 2010 03:34 GMT
#1944
Confirmed Townies Abenson ~OpZ~ Likely Townies JeeJee Fishball Undecided d3_crescentia haster27 Elemenope iNfuNdiBuLuM laaan nemY Mafia suspect Nikon (lol) Caller We lynch Nikon for: concealing his abilities (wrong roleclaim) which clearly led to the disadvantage of the town. Fishball check one person from Undecided list to prevent potential Mafia from influencing his decisions, or at least try not to follow other's suggestions beside the ones coming from two confirmed Townie. Caller is also highly likely Mafia since Japan who saved him isn't stepping out, but let him also randomly check someone out of Undecided list as well just in case. Even if he is Mafia, we can use his night action claim as material to track down the Mafia later on. Also, laaan, I am sorry but I cannot place you in the Likely Townies list yet. You got out of suspect list because you cornered Nikon, and the fact that Nikon conveniently had counter-nuke abilities he could utilize makes me think you could have tried to stage all this. | ||
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April 06 2010 12:23 GMT
#1967
As for the lynch, I don't mind voting for Caller considering the numbers, but does that mean you are going to ask Fishball to check Nikon tonight? We have to vote him off sooner or later because he is not nuke-able. And personally I think if Nikon is Townie, he must have over Xelin-level stupidity which I hope to God does not exist in any of us. He actively encouraged people to nuke him, you know. | ||
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April 06 2010 12:24 GMT
#1968
On April 06 2010 21:09 Nikon wrote: Show nested quote + On April 06 2010 12:04 haster27 wrote: Is it me or those all Mafia seem to have some kind of special ability? There has been four already: Role Blocker, Bus Driver, Nuke-stealer, and Nuke-hacker. From this the fact there are at minimum 4 Mafia in the Town are confirmed. I can only hope that Ace did not underestimate how much stupid Town nukes there were going to be and put five Mafia in. Finally I want to state that this development makes laaan in a slightly less flattering light. It feels too convenient that out of all Mafia nuke-hacker was the one that laaan's roleclaim contradicted. It could have been Mafia ploy to decrease Town's nuke/anti-nuke stockpile. Oh, by the way, the bus driver is only real if Caller isn't lying, which can be only verified by lynching him. Just throwing this out there. Personally, I've seen enough to say that laaan is an actual veteran. I understand you perhaps wanting to conceal your ability, but why in the world would you claim as Veteran and stick to the claim even when it was highly likely that Townie was about to nuke you (in order to verify you)? | ||
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April 06 2010 12:34 GMT
#1970
On April 06 2010 21:29 Nikon wrote: Because I'm a Veteran. What do you mean? | ||
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April 06 2010 13:35 GMT
#1975
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April 06 2010 17:52 GMT
#1984
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April 06 2010 20:07 GMT
#1995
On April 07 2010 03:48 nemY wrote: Show nested quote + On April 07 2010 03:06 ~OpZ~ wrote: ...Nemy...I was defending you homie... Why so defensive? Haster even agreed. Which Inf was the one using hasters statement IN his long post detailing the actions of the thread. Citizen, how does your ability work. You can retaliate, OR only nuke people that nuke you... Because Inf. framed it in a way that makes me look really bad? Doesn't really matter now that inf's not in the game anymore. Anyways... I have a (very real) nuke coming towards me and I have pretty strong suspicions on who the nuke came from (well actually... who redirected it, I was the one who lobbed the nuke out there) Show nested quote + On April 04 2010 12:58 Nikon wrote: On April 04 2010 01:15 Elemenope wrote: On April 04 2010 00:21 Nikon wrote: On April 03 2010 20:27 Elemenope wrote: On April 03 2010 20:05 Nikon wrote: On April 03 2010 17:02 Elemenope wrote: On April 03 2010 13:50 Iaaan wrote: Last, a solid roleclaim from me, I was being ambiguous before, I am Antarctica, a veteran. My powers are 1 extra life against nukes, and 1 extra life against night hits. This makes me suspicious of nikon still, if we are both veterans, why are our roles different? I asked him a little bit about his role on the last page, from what he has said it doesn't sound like he has an extra life against nukes. This is interesting, and from this, only one thing comes to mind - though I'd like to hear Nikon's take about Iaaan claiming veteran before coming to a decision. Well, it would make sense to have more than one Veteran in a setup where there are multiple parties that can nightkill... You seem to be confused. I'm not interested about the fact that there are multiple people role claiming as 'Veteran'. What I'm more interested about is the fact that these same two roles have different abilities, yet you seem to be fine with this. We have you who claimed to be hit during the night, yet you are wondering if Iaaan's claim of a free nuke block during the day is true or not, going so far as to launch a nuke at him. Yet Iaaan is also claiming to be a veteran with a free nuke block and a free night hit block, and you don't find this surprising even when he roleclaimed the same role as you? You seem quite casual about this and I can only guess that due to the difference of abilities of the same claimed roles: One or both of you are lying about your roleclaims. Yeah, except that laaan said that he will survive nukes yesterday, and I nuked him before he claimed veteran. You assume we have different abilities because he's assuming so, based on information I said I want to withhold. What was the point in nuking him? Let's assume these things: A) You are a veteran B) Veteran ability entails a free night hit which is standard, but not as standard: a free nuke hit C) Nobody mentions that they are immune to a single nuke hit until Iaaan mentions it Given these three things, you still launch a nuke at Iaaan when only B is something Veterans could know. Iaaan could've guessed the ability, thinking it makes sense given that given that nukes are in the hands of 22 people, somebody ought to have nuke protection, even if it is a one-shot ability; however, the chance of this is very slim in my eyes, especially coupled with the fact that he says On April 03 2010 06:46 Iaaan wrote: On April 03 2010 01:37 Nikon wrote: I am a Veteran. I took a hit last night. With that out of the way - laaan, if I nuke you, do you think it will hit? It will hit, but it wont kill me. Do you have nuke protection to? and are you arctica? in response to you role claiming Veteran. He clearly says that veterans also have a one-shot day nuke protection. Yet you go ahead and nuke him and choose to withhold your capabilities even while roleclaiming? You realize the problem with this, right? On top of this, you claim that your missile is fake which accomplishes absolutely nothing in terms of confirming whether Iaaan is truly veteran or not as his ability, which you should know, blocks a nuke hit because, as Iaaan puts it which you are also implying by not denying the fact that veterans have a one-shot nuke protection, it gives an extra life against nukes which means an actual nuke has to hit. Because of this, your only purpose in sending that nuke is to accomplish one of two things: A) Burn up an antinuke which you did so well with your first nuke, or B) Burn up a veteran's extra nuke protection Both of which do not help the town at all. So perhaps you could explain why you thought that someone stating he possesses an ability that hasn't been mentioned by anybody until then which somehow conveniently matches your ability would deserve a nuke in order to prove this ability? If he's not veteran: congratulations, you probably killed scum since he lied, but this means you also lied about your fake nuke on Zona. If he is veteran: you burned his day protection and you lied about your fake nuke on Zona. If your missile is a dud: you accomplished nothing at all in terms of extra information for the town and we have no confirmation of your first missile. What was really going through your mind when you decided to nuke Iaaan? Nuke me to find out. Why shouldn't we move forward to lynch Nikon? I'm not sure. ##Vote Nikon I'm just curious, why are you placing your vote on Nikon if you think someone else chose to direct the nuke? | ||
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April 07 2010 02:41 GMT
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April 07 2010 15:31 GMT
#2017
On April 07 2010 21:47 ~OpZ~ wrote: Show nested quote + On April 07 2010 11:41 haster27 wrote: At least one thing is clear; Japan is Mafia, thus Caller is Mafia. The town either have no anti-nukes, or Townie having anti-nukes were afraid of using it because people were saying how Japan handles this missile will verify it's intentions. At least we have firm plan on who to lynch tomorrow; although all of us Townies will probably have to vote, I am hoping some Mafia will join in on the Caller bandwagon as well because voting someone else is going to be blatant anti-town move. Actually it would be much better if SK could hit him and leave us one less Mafia to deal with, of course. I pointed this out yesterday. And everyone decided Nikon was a better target. I even suggested that NIKON WAS THE THIRD PARTY. It would A)Explain the nuke rebound and B)Explain the night hit he took. Third party's usually are a combo of vet and vig. I'm fed up with you, and I honestly think one of you and LMNOP are mafia. I'm all for lynching you to tell you the truth. I had Caller confirmed as Mafia YESTERDAY, and we lynch Nikon because "He lied about his ability so he should die" YES he SHOULD. But look at me, I seemed to catch on he was third party, and where'd my vote stay? ON CALLER, where EVERYONE else's should of been. Show nested quote + On April 06 2010 19:50 ~OpZ~ wrote: On April 06 2010 11:51 haster27 wrote: That is possible, since nemY also was one to come out of nowhere and volunteer nuke him according to what Town was saying. However, with so little Townie numbers left, I am reluctant about risking decreasing townie number further. INfund: "Nemy returns. Fires nukes at Nikon because he thinks the town wants him to. Actually, not many people were on so it's hard to say what anyone really wanted." Shit, I was under the impression he was following my suggestion. I believe a few agreed with me on that respect. One suspect nuking another suspect? God...Haster....Stop adding more and more to my suspicions. You even agreed it was a good idea to verify Iaaan AND/OR Nikon. Lookie here...LMNOP was pretty much the first to attack Nikon after the two vet claims. Nikon could be third party...Honestly, it would make sense for him to claim vet, because he prob had an extra night/day life being third party. Well...That's fun fun yes? ...Okay. Despite you are starting to become annoying, let me answer your post with civility. I read all of your posts since Nikon reflected back the nuke, and that one sentence was the only time you suggested that Nikon might have been third party; the meat of your argument was that Caller should be the target because he was surely going to be 100% Mafia. And I answered clearly and consistently, NIkon must be lynched because he cannot be nuked unlike Caller. Since NIkon now has died, of course I should refocus the Town effort into lynching Caller, especially since all of us will have to vote for him to overcome Mafia votes. What I cannot comprehend is why you would be fed up with me for advocating Nikon lynch, while you conveniently ignore the fact everyone voted him also just like you repeatedly stated in your post. Nikon encouraged people to nuke him- and his general behaviour not only convinced me but others that he should be the one up for the lynch day 2. Seriously, if I did not know you were Mason, I would think you were trying to bandwagon me or something. | ||
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April 07 2010 18:23 GMT
#2021
On April 08 2010 03:20 Fishball wrote: Show nested quote + On April 08 2010 00:31 haster27 wrote: NIkon must be lynched because he cannot be nuked unlike Caller. If "One shot Survivor" in Ace's post is meant what it is supposed to mean, Nikon should be able to reflect 1 nuke only. But I didn't know that. It feels kind of sucks knowing Nikon IS third party though. I expected third party, considering their role, would try to keep themselves alive as much as possible. | ||
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April 07 2010 18:38 GMT
#2024
##Vote Caller He is definitely Mafia because I have just been roleblocked. SInce Fishball was killed off by Mafia, if Caller truly had blue occupation, Mafia would have chosen to roleblock him instead of random player. Don't know what made them think I had any special abilities rofl. | ||
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April 07 2010 18:44 GMT
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April 07 2010 19:39 GMT
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April 07 2010 23:38 GMT
#2044
On April 08 2010 03:54 Caller wrote: roleblocking someone else guarantees lynching me = mislynch = probable town loss roleblocking me = exonerates me = unlikely lynch of me = lynch someone else = possible lynch of mafia = we're still in this This is ridiculous. By your argument you shouldn't even accuse me of being scummy since I was "exonerated" by today's roleblock. Mafia roleblocker can always choose not to roleblock anyone for the day, so that his scum partner or himself can step up and state that he has been Roleblocked. Seeing as how you think I am pulling Mutual Chainsaw Defense for not mentioning citizen (my post was even before you posted list of reasoning that incriminates him as Mafia), I will address your points against citizen as well and show why you are more worthy lynch target than him. I am combining your first and fourth argument because their point seem to be similar. You argue that infund and citizen has not been that active in the thread. Okay, I am ruling citizen out from the start. He had just been replaced yesterday. How can you accuse person who just replaced in of inactivity? Hell, JeeJee even suggested he do some reading, so there is nothing strange with citizen posting that he will be looking over the thread. Thus this is summary of your argument: Paranoid Gun Owner must be active in order to cause Mafia to night-kill him. Infund has not done this. However, only thing we know is that he is only able to counter against nukes launched to him. Nothing has been spoken about him being immune to night kills. Because every activity seems to be being carried in terms of nukes (proved by RoL who launched a nuke instead of insta-killing his target after death), it is possible what infund has said could be his entire ability. I just feel like you are making too many assumptions here about role you don't know which makes me uncomfortable. Also why in the world would you check infund out of all the suspects? Since you are so convinced that his role meant automatic retaliation, you should have avoided him at all costs and checked me like ~OpZ~ suggested. Look, everyone agreed that Mafia and Townie numbers were getting dangerously close, and keeping even one Townie alive was important. So why would you ignore recommendation from confirmed Townie and on your own make a decision that could have costed your life? If infund indeed have been paranoid gun owner (Townie), you (Townie Detective) would have been killed. Thus your took unnecessary action that would have placed the Town in worse position. Accidental edit. Any mods who can see the content of the post before my accidental edit please confirm I have backed up my posted completely. | ||
haster27
Taiwan809 Posts
April 07 2010 23:40 GMT
#2045
On April 08 2010 08:07 ~OpZ~ wrote: I'm in class. And seriously? You understand mis-lynching today will cause Town to lose, feels like voting me out because I advocated for Nikon's death instead of Caller, yet you would suddenly flop your position like this? I will eagerly await your explanation. | ||
haster27
Taiwan809 Posts
April 08 2010 01:01 GMT
#2048
On April 07 2010 21:47 ~OpZ~ wrote: Show nested quote + On April 07 2010 11:41 haster27 wrote: At least one thing is clear; Japan is Mafia, thus Caller is Mafia. The town either have no anti-nukes, or Townie having anti-nukes were afraid of using it because people were saying how Japan handles this missile will verify it's intentions. At least we have firm plan on who to lynch tomorrow; although all of us Townies will probably have to vote, I am hoping some Mafia will join in on the Caller bandwagon as well because voting someone else is going to be blatant anti-town move. Actually it would be much better if SK could hit him and leave us one less Mafia to deal with, of course. I pointed this out yesterday. And everyone decided Nikon was a better target. I even suggested that NIKON WAS THE THIRD PARTY. It would A)Explain the nuke rebound and B)Explain the night hit he took. Third party's usually are a combo of vet and vig. I'm fed up with you, and I honestly think one of you and LMNOP are mafia. I'm all for lynching you to tell you the truth. I had Caller confirmed as Mafia YESTERDAY, and we lynch Nikon because "He lied about his ability so he should die" YES he SHOULD. But look at me, I seemed to catch on he was third party, and where'd my vote stay? ON CALLER, where EVERYONE else's should of been. Also, I don't care you suspect me or not. What I am asking is why you would advocate lynching someone that is not 100% mafia (citizen) over someone that is surely mafia (Caller). This was exactly what you were advocating yesterday, lynch of confirmed Mafia (Caller) over someone that is not 100% mafia (Nikon). And lynch target alternative to Mafia today being accused by Caller himself, I cannot understand why you would not continue following principle you strongly argued for when the lynch target was far much more scummy. Mislynch today will result in Mafia victory. The town must lynch Mafia, thus it is beneficial for the Town to lynch someone who is most likely Mafia. The other Mafia suspects can be lynched next day. Voting for citizen because he shares same opinion as me is ridiculous. To oppose Caller is to support citizen. And I am willing to believe most Townie will share my belief in importance of voting out confirmed Mafia today. However, according to your argument anyone that defends citizen is automatic scum. In fact, when someone comes out to argue that Caller is being non-sensical, citizen is placed in worse position because his "scum buddies" are rallying to rescue him! Of course meanwhile it is not anti-town to follow words of confirmed Mafia and vote citizen. Look, you two are confirmed Townie, and in current state of the town all the Townies need to vote for the same person to get someone lynched. That means that if Mafia does not join in the person Town is rallying against, voting for the person you voted for will be the only way Townie can keep the Mafia from controlling the vote. Which is why I strongly recommend you change your votes to Caller after some consideration, and argue about lynching me or citizen next day. Is this acceptable? | ||
haster27
Taiwan809 Posts
April 08 2010 03:16 GMT
#2067
On April 08 2010 12:09 citi.zen wrote: In fact, in this game I'm allowed to vote for myself, so here: ##Vote citi.zen GG town. NO. GODDAMN IT. I WILL NOT ALLOW TOWN TO FAIL THIS MUCH. I am leaving soon, but I will try to find hole in Caller's argument and turn the game around by tomorrow. Please extract your retarded self-vote NOW. By the way, Caller can you please clarify this portion of my previous post? Your choice of role-check makes no sense at all. Also why in the world would you check infund out of all the suspects? Since you are so convinced that his role meant automatic retaliation, you should have avoided him at all costs and checked me like ~OpZ~ suggested. Look, everyone agreed that Mafia and Townie numbers were getting dangerously close, and keeping even one Townie alive was important. So why would you ignore recommendation from confirmed Townie and on your own make a decision that could have costed your life? If infund indeed have been paranoid gun owner (Townie), you (Townie Detective) would have been killed. Thus your took unnecessary action that would have placed the Town in worse position. | ||
haster27
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April 08 2010 20:45 GMT
#2116
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haster27
Taiwan809 Posts
April 08 2010 21:28 GMT
#2122
Argument about vote counts This argument also assumes that entire Mafia players chose to vote for one person three consecutive days. Seriously? I thought the most basic assumption about Mafia voting pattern was that they would try to avoid suspicion by spreading their votes as much as possible. Yes, they were all bandwagon votes, but RoL and Xelin bandwagon had so much steam going into it there was little reason for Mafia to all-in every time. Overall his repeated statement that four of us voted for same person over and over again is WIFOM. Another specific flaw I found; JeeJee states that four of us created wagon against Nikon when only alternative lynch target was Caller- only for citizen and me to start Caller bandwagon very next day. What? If Caller also is Townie, why wouldn't we have followed the bandwagon suggested by confirmed Townie? Remember you said we are not following the bandwagon that has already formed, but started it. There must be motive for Mafia to start the bandwagon that goes against the argument of confirmed Townie, and therefore draw suspicion later on. If both Nikon and Caller is Townie, it is absolutely illogical for Mafia to continue their bandwagon against Nikon and Caller even when confirmed Townie is strongly arguing for alternative lynch target. Argument against abilities If Mafia - Caller in this case because he is certainly Mafia if citizen is innocent - intended to start bandwagon against citizen, they might easily could have chosen to keep their nuke-stealer in check to further incriminate him. Absense of nuke steal proves nothing. I cannot even understand what you are arguing here. Citizen had his nuke stolen (because immobile three nukes are perfect nuke-stealer target), but cannot say it publicly because it proves his ability cannot NK the people visiting him? Um... didn't we get that verified when Caller claimed to have checked him? I feel like I did not completely understand your point here, so clarification is welcome. Argument against setup "all we know is that there isn't five mafia": your entire argument hinges on this argument being true. I can only see you thinking Caller/~OpZ~/Abenson/d3/yourself are Townies, because otherwise I cannot see why you would make such statement with confidence. Let me state this means nothing. If Caller is Mafia he and d3_crescentia are no longer confirmed Townie. If so it is still possible there are five Mafia present in the game. Also, you berate laaan for never "[considering] the point that there might not be four mafia, but less", but did anyone ever express an opinion that there might be less than three Mafia previous to your post? I have to go momentarily for now, so I'll post my thought about JeeJee's remaining arguments later. | ||
haster27
Taiwan809 Posts
April 08 2010 22:58 GMT
#2135
On April 09 2010 06:36 Elemenope wrote: i'm not going to argue the other two points as that's more for shinbi to answer imo. Show nested quote + On April 09 2010 06:28 haster27 wrote: Argument against setup "all we know is that there isn't five mafia": your entire argument hinges on this argument being true. I can only see you thinking Caller/~OpZ~/Abenson/d3/yourself are Townies, because otherwise I cannot see why you would make such statement with confidence. Let me state this means nothing. If Caller is Mafia he and d3_crescentia are no longer confirmed Townie. If so it is still possible there are five Mafia present in the game. Also, you berate laaan for never "[considering] the point that there might not be four mafia, but less", but did anyone ever express an opinion that there might be less than three Mafia previous to your post? It's mathematically impossible for there to be 5 mafia. Are you even paying attention at all? And secondly: I did express concerns that there may be no mafia at all in fact, and it may be two anti-town SKs actually, prior to Nemy launching his nuke towards Nikon I believe actually. I'd still like to hear Opz/Abenson's reasoning behind suddenly switching votes, especially at the last second, and secondly: the nuke on Iaaan. Remember I am new to TL Mafia. If you are going to dismiss it as mathematics, you are at least going to need to show your entire work to get marks. However, I acknowledge my mistake if you really suggested there were no Mafia- however, having team of three Mafia and two independent SK who may or may not know each other is completely different thing. In case this is two SK game, laaan has no reason to defend a position about number of mafia- thus JeeJee's point is still moot. On April 09 2010 06:41 ~OpZ~ wrote: Where were you to further argue with me earlier? I would of preferred that. Honestly I have no idea which of you is mafia. Caller not being mafia pretty much hands the game over to town, right then and there. Almost everyone becomes confirmed. Sounds extremely nice. Now let's see if he's right. Citizen voters and would-be voters: Iaaan LMNOP Caller JeeJee I would like this to be noted. I would also like it to be noted all who didn't cast their votes. D3. Abenson, Haster, Myself, Citizen. Let's see where this goes after Caller dies. D3 cast your vote. I was somewhat busy, and was trying to find an error that critically flawed Caller's position during the spare time I had because at the time it seemed like nothing but a punch in the face would cause you to change votes. On April 09 2010 07:29 Elemenope wrote: Show nested quote + On April 09 2010 07:19 ~OpZ~ wrote: On April 09 2010 06:46 Elemenope wrote: On April 09 2010 06:41 ~OpZ~ wrote: On April 09 2010 06:28 haster27 wrote: With ~OpZ~ and Abenson changing his opinion, JeeJee seems to be most detailed post arguing for citizen lynch. Let me rip his arguments to shreds. Argument about vote counts This argument also assumes that entire Mafia players chose to vote for one person three consecutive days. Seriously? I thought the most basic assumption about Mafia voting pattern was that they would try to avoid suspicion by spreading their votes as much as possible. Yes, they were all bandwagon votes, but RoL and Xelin bandwagon had so much steam going into it there was little reason for Mafia to all-in every time. Overall his repeated statement that four of us voted for same person over and over again is WIFOM. Another specific flaw I found; JeeJee states that four of us created wagon against Nikon when only alternative lynch target was Caller- only for citizen and me to start Caller bandwagon very next day. What? If Caller also is Townie, why wouldn't we have followed the bandwagon suggested by confirmed Townie? Remember you said we are not following the bandwagon that has already formed, but started it. There must be motive for Mafia to start the bandwagon that goes against the argument of confirmed Townie, and therefore draw suspicion later on. If both Nikon and Caller is Townie, it is absolutely illogical for Mafia to continue their bandwagon against Nikon and Caller even when confirmed Townie is strongly arguing for alternative lynch target. Argument against abilities If Mafia - Caller in this case because he is certainly Mafia if citizen is innocent - intended to start bandwagon against citizen, they might easily could have chosen to keep their nuke-stealer in check to further incriminate him. Absense of nuke steal proves nothing. I cannot even understand what you are arguing here. Citizen had his nuke stolen (because immobile three nukes are perfect nuke-stealer target), but cannot say it publicly because it proves his ability cannot NK the people visiting him? Um... didn't we get that verified when Caller claimed to have checked him? I feel like I did not completely understand your point here, so clarification is welcome. Argument against setup "all we know is that there isn't five mafia": your entire argument hinges on this argument being true. I can only see you thinking Caller/~OpZ~/Abenson/d3/yourself are Townies, because otherwise I cannot see why you would make such statement with confidence. Let me state this means nothing. If Caller is Mafia he and d3_crescentia are no longer confirmed Townie. If so it is still possible there are five Mafia present in the game. Also, you berate laaan for never "[considering] the point that there might not be four mafia, but less", but did anyone ever express an opinion that there might be less than three Mafia previous to your post? I have to go momentarily for now, so I'll post my thought about JeeJee's remaining arguments later. Where were you to further argue with me earlier? I would of preferred that. Honestly I have no idea which of you is mafia. Caller not being mafia pretty much hands the game over to town, right then and there. Almost everyone becomes confirmed. Sounds extremely nice. Now let's see if he's right. Citizen voters and would-be voters: Iaaan LMNOP Caller JeeJee I would like this to be noted. I would also like it to be noted all who didn't cast their votes. D3. Abenson, Haster, Myself, Citizen. Let's see where this goes after Caller dies. D3 cast your vote. Before going any further: I'd like to hear your mafia suspect list. Please cast your vote for the suspect that seems most scummy. JeeJee should say his role now. I assume he's protown. I assume Iaaan is protown also through knowledge of the daytime nuke protection. Now there is Caller and LMNOP I can't judge. Abenson and I are masons. 2 confirms, and 2 EXTREMELY likely townies. Haster, Citizen vs. Caller - Let's see where it goes. And the nonposting d3. I'm not going to post my suspects. Please post your vote and further arguments. Convince me I'm wrong. I shouldn't need to explain my change of vote to someone who didn't vote. How can I convince you that you're wrong when you don't even list a suspect list? You claim that we should just lynch Caller and see where this goes when if we lynch Caller and he's town, we lose if there is 4 mafia alive. With the way you've been acting the previous day and this day, I'd almost say that you and Abenson are in fact mafia and are trying to play off Mason. The fact that you all are so hasty with your votes when we're in most likely a lylo situation is just suspicious. Do you not understand the implications of a mislynch? Stop trying to act so high and might because I'm not voting right away when we're in a lylo situation. You need to explain your change of vote. Halt. This is so hypocritical I don't know where to begin. 1) Town is in lylo position; thus it equally means that if citizen is lynched and he is town, we lose. 2) ~OpZ~ and Abenson cannot be Mafia. Believe me, yesterday I REALLY REALLY wanted to believe they are intelligent Mafia, but I knew it was not possible because of two facts: 1) false-claiming one's country so early in the game is suicidal because he could accidentally claim a country being represented by another player, and 2) their nuke switching ability which was proved by ~OpZ~ and Abenson false-nuking each other. Since nuke-stealer is Mafia, it is highly likely nuke switching ability would go to Townie. 3) Hello? ~OpZ~ already explained this, no need for me to say anything else. | ||
haster27
Taiwan809 Posts
April 08 2010 23:13 GMT
#2138
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haster27
Taiwan809 Posts
April 08 2010 23:51 GMT
#2143
As for the five Mafia thing, oops. Finally I think nuke ~OpZ~ launched against laaan is real, which is why I have not been discussing any of JeeJee's point about him at all- he is going to be verified sooner or later. Only thing town has to do is extend a day by launching a fake nuke after all. | ||
haster27
Taiwan809 Posts
April 08 2010 23:54 GMT
#2144
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haster27
Taiwan809 Posts
April 09 2010 00:25 GMT
#2149
You actually made pretty good points. I concede on your first and second point for now, and Mafia number argument had come from my momentary lapse into stupidity. On April 09 2010 08:36 JeeJee wrote: Show nested quote + On April 09 2010 06:28 haster27 wrote: Argument against abilities If Mafia - Caller in this case because he is certainly Mafia if citizen is innocent - intended to start bandwagon against citizen, they might easily could have chosen to keep their nuke-stealer in check to further incriminate him. Absense of nuke steal proves nothing. I cannot even understand what you are arguing here. Citizen had his nuke stolen (because immobile three nukes are perfect nuke-stealer target), but cannot say it publicly because it proves his ability cannot NK the people visiting him? Um... didn't we get that verified when Caller claimed to have checked him? I feel like I did not completely understand your point here, so clarification is welcome. read closer. if citizen is townie (and apparently he gave up on claiming he has anything other than townie powers at this point), his 3 nukes are lying there waiting to be taken. why weren't they? First, you are ignoring my first paragraph that Mafia could have tried to frame more evidence against him, but I'll accept that this is a point that cannot be verified. Second, On April 09 2010 06:36 ~OpZ~ wrote: Why wouldn't citizens nukes have been stolen? Because the mafia take him to be PGO. Caller claims the only person that mafia can't NK without dying is scum because his team can't NK him. So can we lynch Caller and get on with this game now? I already posted my opinion about how citizen lied about his claim: [Your] fourth point are mainly acceptable, but I cannot believe you are seriously sticking to inconsistencies argument. Your second and fourth point becomes absolutely obsolete if we assume citizen is being truthful. I mean, you are free to assume paranoid gun owner must have NK counter ability, but unless you are able to verify that claim you have no right to treat citizen's ability as false. This is lylo situation- are you seriously willing to vote citizen over Caller just because of this single assumption? The fact that strongest argument against citizen are built upon the assumption that Paranoid Gun Owner must have NK counter ability is really making me nervous. First, you are ignoring my first paragraph that Mafia could have tried to frame more evidence against him, but I'll accept that this is a point that cannot be verified. Second, On April 09 2010 06:36 ~OpZ~ wrote: Why wouldn't citizens nukes have been stolen? Because the mafia take him to be PGO. Caller claims the only person that mafia can't NK without dying is scum because his team can't NK him. So can we lynch Caller and get on with this game now? I already posted my opinion about how citizen lied about his claim: [Your] fourth point are mainly acceptable, but I cannot believe you are seriously sticking to inconsistencies argument. Your second and fourth point becomes absolutely obsolete if we assume citizen is being truthful. I mean, you are free to assume paranoid gun owner must have NK counter ability, but unless you are able to verify that claim you have no right to treat citizen's ability as false. This is lylo situation- are you seriously willing to vote citizen over Caller just because of this single assumption? The fact that strongest argument against citizen are built upon the assumption that Paranoid Gun Owner must have NK counter ability is really making me nervous. | ||
haster27
Taiwan809 Posts
April 09 2010 00:26 GMT
#2150
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haster27
Taiwan809 Posts
April 09 2010 00:53 GMT
#2158
Also why in the world would you check infund out of all the suspects? Since you are so convinced that his role meant automatic retaliation, you should have avoided him at all costs and checked me like ~OpZ~ suggested. Look, everyone agreed that Mafia and Townie numbers were getting dangerously close, and keeping even one Townie alive was important. So why would you ignore recommendation from confirmed Townie and on your own make a decision that could have costed your life? If infund indeed have been paranoid gun owner (Townie), you (Townie Detective) would have been killed. Thus your took unnecessary action that would have placed the Town in worse position. | ||
haster27
Taiwan809 Posts
April 09 2010 01:04 GMT
#2160
The reason I didn't cast a vote? Because we don't know if mafia have an anti-nuke or not still Seriously, Why the fuck are you guys casting votes when we have no idea if there's a mafia anti-nuke out there? If there's a majority on a townie, that's a fucking game over right there if mafia launch an anti-nuke. Think. It does not matter. In every instance the nuke was intercepted, the day still continued on as normal because the fact that nuke has been intercepted is only revealed at the time nuke is supposed to land. Since your entire argument against ~OpZ~ being Mafia relies on this misunderstanding, this effectively nullifies your entire case against him. This is why I'm upset. The fact that you railed against Caller yesterday, suddenly reversed your opinion in an almost 180 degrees today when Caller does his claim, then do another 180 for no apparent reason at the very last fucking second in order to get a majority on Caller. I'm finding your Mason claim especially suspicious now. In fact I find this absoultely brilliant; I think I understand the reasoning behind his actions, but I am going to keep silent about this unless ~OpZ~ himself speaks up. | ||
haster27
Taiwan809 Posts
April 09 2010 01:12 GMT
#2163
citizen: I am Paranoid Gun Owner citizen: I can only launch retaliation nukes. suspicious as hell. But that is not what the f*** happened. This did: citizen: I can only launch retaliation nukes. citizen: I am Paranoid Gun Owner. Notice that looking at how he described his ability, he could have easily have claimed Townie and went unnoticed if he truly wanted to lie about his role. | ||
haster27
Taiwan809 Posts
April 09 2010 01:19 GMT
#2167
Also... On April 09 2010 10:15 flamewheel91 wrote: | ||
haster27
Taiwan809 Posts
April 09 2010 01:25 GMT
#2170
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haster27
Taiwan809 Posts
April 09 2010 13:00 GMT
#2203
Also why in the world would you check infund out of all the suspects? Since you are so convinced that his role meant automatic retaliation, you should have avoided him at all costs and checked me like ~OpZ~ suggested. Look, everyone agreed that Mafia and Townie numbers were getting dangerously close, and keeping even one Townie alive was important. So why would you ignore recommendation from confirmed Townie and on your own make a decision that could have costed your life? If infund indeed have been paranoid gun owner (Townie), you (Townie Detective) would have been killed. Thus your took unnecessary action that would have placed the Town in worse position. Caller's choice of check for the night makes no sense at all. | ||
haster27
Taiwan809 Posts
April 09 2010 13:29 GMT
#2211
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haster27
Taiwan809 Posts
April 09 2010 14:00 GMT
#2215
It first begin with Abenson nuking ~OpZ~. Because fake nuke is up in the air, even if the citizen got majority vote, he will not be lynched until 24 hours passed. They followed it up by defending Caller's side, dogmatically sprouting idiotic arguments. Now since this is lylo town, every or at least most Townie needs to vote together to prevent Mafia from controlling the vote- and two confirmed Townie has apparently firmly placed themselves in Caller camp! If citizen is Townie, this gives Mafia hope of ending the game today right now, making more forthcoming in their willingness to support Caller; after all, they had two confirmed Townies fully convinced about their arguments also. ~OpZ~ also attempts to lure out further Mafia by arguing majority is needed before the nuke lands. On April 08 2010 19:43 ~OpZ~ wrote: Citizen Caller Iaaan ~OpZ~ Citizen Caller Citizen Haster27 Can we get our votes on to citizen before the nuke lands? I'd rather his lynch be already set up. Nuke lands at 2:03 KST FYI Just need one more to lynch. Did you actually lie about the time nuke lands so that more lurking people would come forward? lol. On April 08 2010 19:48 ~OpZ~ wrote: People who haven't voted: JeeJee D3 LMNOP I would like to hear from all of these players as to why they haven't cast their votes yet. The argument is a pretty split one. Maybe I'm missing some things, but I would like to know every elses take on whether they trust Caller or not. This is the vote situation at 5 PM. Citizen Caller laaan ~OpZ~ Citizen JeeJee Caller Haster27 Pro-Caller but no vote Elemenope Abstaining Abenson d3_crescentia/TeddyBear By the time lynch deadline was near, we got most player's official position on their choice of lynch candidates. So ~OpZ~ snaps his trap shut by withdrawing their support on Caller, and launching nuke toward laaan to: 1) further extend the day, and 2) check the alignment of a player in pro-Caller camp. | ||
haster27
Taiwan809 Posts
April 09 2010 16:34 GMT
#2252
aTeddyBear, please make your vote within ~4 KSP. I love how you eagerly volunteered into this game, yet immediately starts lurking just like d3_crescentia. Perhaps his Mafia brethrens telling him to pursue the same strategy? I think nobody would have problem voting for LMNOP since I, ~Opz~, Abenson, JeeJee, and citizen (perhaps) can form a majority. | ||
haster27
Taiwan809 Posts
April 09 2010 16:56 GMT
#2254
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haster27
Taiwan809 Posts
April 09 2010 17:02 GMT
#2255
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haster27
Taiwan809 Posts
April 09 2010 18:36 GMT
#2262
On April 10 2010 02:51 JeeJee wrote: hold on let me get this straight if we're in lylo, lmnop has to be mafia, and if we're not, it's okay if we fuck up since it's not lylo? my question is, why do you ignore a lying roleclaimer in favor of someone who may not be mafia at all, just because if he isn't, we can make a mistake? do you realize this means this time next day will be the same except we will have one less townie arguing? and instead of 1/3 town being mafia, it will be almost half? @citizen i have all the answers to that post; i am surprised you misinterpretted my position yet again, but i have to run to a meeting. i will be back in 1hr10min +/-10min, well before any nuke deadline. so BE HERE Where did lylo come from? I thought ~OpZ~ said LMNOP was Mafia no matter either citizen or Caller was lying, which makes him a perfect compromise. Hell, you even agreed he has to be Mafia if Caller is correct: On April 08 2010 23:45 JeeJee wrote: let me rip the mafia to shreds iaaan haster citi.zen lmnop Currently there are 4 Mafia 5 Townie. (44.4%) Next day there will be 3 Mafia 4 Townie. (42.9%) Where did 1/3 and half the Town argument come from? (unless I am failing at numbers again.) Moreover, the fact that Town has to vote together does not change, and getting four Townies to agree with each other will definitely be easier than getting five Townies to agree with each other. However, I agree with your statement that it is beneficial to get Caller/citizen issue resolved now- and I am eagerly waiting how laaan and d3_cresentia will place his vote. Hopefully it will be enough to break this stalemate. | ||
haster27
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April 09 2010 18:45 GMT
#2264
On April 10 2010 03:40 citi.zen wrote: I can't believe you guys are still not seeing that Caller is red. It's beyond me how he can have you believe one lie after another after another simply by changing his story after any new suspicion is shed on him. Look at micro-mafia 1. I was in the same situation with Ace there. I was right there too. Of course, being right doesn't matter if you can't persuade others, so I guess I fail and Caller wins. Too bad for the town. Sorry, I am out of patience. Jesus Christ, be glad you are not voted out like you did in micro-mafia 1. I hate when people use other games for their argument- that is exactly where all this PGO nonsense is coming from. The most important thing today is to prevent Townie (you) lynch, so there should be no problem voting off LMNOP if the situation demands so. | ||
haster27
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April 09 2010 19:40 GMT
#2267
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April 09 2010 19:47 GMT
#2268
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haster27
Taiwan809 Posts
April 09 2010 23:57 GMT
#2287
Sorry for the late vote change, but looks like it wouldn't have made a difference anyway. Also citizen why in the world did you do that? That nuke makes absolutely no sense at all. | ||
haster27
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April 10 2010 00:12 GMT
#2288
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haster27
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April 10 2010 00:17 GMT
#2290
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haster27
Taiwan809 Posts
April 10 2010 00:20 GMT
#2292
On April 10 2010 09:14 JeeJee wrote: Show nested quote + On April 10 2010 09:12 haster27 wrote: Oh shit. JeeJee, why in the world did you nuke citizen? Now he can throw another - but very real - retaliation nuke against you. I am not impressed at how nukes are suddenly messing up the entire discussion. no he can't, he's full of shit. does it mean he literally can't, or he won't? I am fairly confident about the chance of lynching Caller, so citizen going kamikaze is the least thing I want. | ||
haster27
Taiwan809 Posts
April 10 2010 00:46 GMT
#2301
Also, as for the ignored questions/statements you are not the only one JeeJee On April 09 2010 09:53 haster27 wrote: All this PGO argument reminded me of my past argument. I have not yet seen Caller address this point, even when he quoted the post containing below paragraph: Also why in the world would you check infund out of all the suspects? Since you are so convinced that his role meant automatic retaliation, you should have avoided him at all costs and checked me like ~OpZ~ suggested. Look, everyone agreed that Mafia and Townie numbers were getting dangerously close, and keeping even one Townie alive was important. So why would you ignore recommendation from confirmed Townie and on your own make a decision that could have costed your life? If infund indeed have been paranoid gun owner (Townie), you (Townie Detective) would have been killed. Thus your took unnecessary action that would have placed the Town in worse position. | ||
haster27
Taiwan809 Posts
April 10 2010 00:48 GMT
#2302
On April 10 2010 09:44 ~OpZ~ wrote: Show nested quote + On April 10 2010 09:17 haster27 wrote: Warning: Citizen, I know you are frustrated, but seeing as now you can launch retaliation nuke against JeeJee, I will have to warn you as precaution. If you launch another nuke toward JeeJee I will be forced to abandon my defense of you completely. Also please confirm that the nuke you just robbed was fake because possibility of you lying about your ability still somewhat exists. JeeJee no has bold. Can not be real nuke. Do not, I repeat do NOT hit him Citizen. GOD FUCKING DAMN YOU GUYS. The fact that he has launched fake nukes before, and toward ~OpZ~ today is another proof that nuke JeeJee launched is obviously fake. | ||
haster27
Taiwan809 Posts
April 10 2010 00:55 GMT
#2309
On April 10 2010 09:52 JeeJee wrote: Show nested quote + On April 10 2010 09:44 ~OpZ~ wrote: On April 10 2010 09:17 haster27 wrote: Warning: Citizen, I know you are frustrated, but seeing as now you can launch retaliation nuke against JeeJee, I will have to warn you as precaution. If you launch another nuke toward JeeJee I will be forced to abandon my defense of you completely. Also please confirm that the nuke you just robbed was fake because possibility of you lying about your ability still somewhat exists. JeeJee no has bold. Can not be real nuke. Do not, I repeat do NOT hit him Citizen. GOD FUCKING DAMN YOU GUYS. he's a fucking lying cunt, he can't do shit you want me to bold it? ##Nuke:citi.zen citizen, WE HAVE THIS SHIT SEALED. WE HAVE 100% CHANCE OF LYNCHING ELEMENOPE, AND CALLER WILL BE MUCH EASIER TO VOTE OFF TOMORROW. PLEASE REFRAIN FROM RESPONDING TO JEEJEE's PROVOCATIONS. THIS IS WHERE YOU BECOME EITHER MVP or LVP | ||
haster27
Taiwan809 Posts
April 10 2010 01:00 GMT
#2311
On April 10 2010 09:53 JeeJee wrote: Show nested quote + On April 10 2010 09:48 haster27 wrote: On April 10 2010 09:44 ~OpZ~ wrote: On April 10 2010 09:17 haster27 wrote: Warning: Citizen, I know you are frustrated, but seeing as now you can launch retaliation nuke against JeeJee, I will have to warn you as precaution. If you launch another nuke toward JeeJee I will be forced to abandon my defense of you completely. Also please confirm that the nuke you just robbed was fake because possibility of you lying about your ability still somewhat exists. JeeJee no has bold. Can not be real nuke. Do not, I repeat do NOT hit him Citizen. GOD FUCKING DAMN YOU GUYS. The fact that he has launched fake nukes before, and toward ~OpZ~ today is another proof that nuke JeeJee launched is obviously fake. pop quiz: when did i ever launch a fake nuke? I know you are frustrated, but your attempt to provoke citizen is pathetic. Are you seriously implicating yourself of real-nuking confirmed Mason? | ||
haster27
Taiwan809 Posts
April 10 2010 01:03 GMT
#2314
On April 10 2010 10:01 ~OpZ~ wrote: Show nested quote + On April 10 2010 09:53 JeeJee wrote: On April 10 2010 09:48 haster27 wrote: On April 10 2010 09:44 ~OpZ~ wrote: On April 10 2010 09:17 haster27 wrote: Warning: Citizen, I know you are frustrated, but seeing as now you can launch retaliation nuke against JeeJee, I will have to warn you as precaution. If you launch another nuke toward JeeJee I will be forced to abandon my defense of you completely. Also please confirm that the nuke you just robbed was fake because possibility of you lying about your ability still somewhat exists. JeeJee no has bold. Can not be real nuke. Do not, I repeat do NOT hit him Citizen. GOD FUCKING DAMN YOU GUYS. The fact that he has launched fake nukes before, and toward ~OpZ~ today is another proof that nuke JeeJee launched is obviously fake. pop quiz: when did i ever launch a fake nuke? no...you haven't launched one. I mean, truth, all mafia has to do is launch nukes at one townie...I guess I'll have to find a way to force a draw. I will launch another nuke right before I get hit. If I die and pop mason, haster, launch a nuke at citizen, and I Implore all other townies, if I die, nuke citizen, EVEN IF YOU DON'T HAVE NUKES. Citizen, retaliate one EVERYTHING, again, if I die. Why citizen? If JeeJee is serious about this real nuke business, then Caller bunch is obviously Mafia. | ||
haster27
Taiwan809 Posts
April 10 2010 01:05 GMT
#2317
On April 10 2010 10:03 Elemenope wrote: Show nested quote + On April 10 2010 10:01 ~OpZ~ wrote: On April 10 2010 09:53 JeeJee wrote: On April 10 2010 09:48 haster27 wrote: On April 10 2010 09:44 ~OpZ~ wrote: On April 10 2010 09:17 haster27 wrote: Warning: Citizen, I know you are frustrated, but seeing as now you can launch retaliation nuke against JeeJee, I will have to warn you as precaution. If you launch another nuke toward JeeJee I will be forced to abandon my defense of you completely. Also please confirm that the nuke you just robbed was fake because possibility of you lying about your ability still somewhat exists. JeeJee no has bold. Can not be real nuke. Do not, I repeat do NOT hit him Citizen. GOD FUCKING DAMN YOU GUYS. The fact that he has launched fake nukes before, and toward ~OpZ~ today is another proof that nuke JeeJee launched is obviously fake. pop quiz: when did i ever launch a fake nuke? no...you haven't launched one. I mean, truth, all mafia has to do is launch nukes at one townie... Yet I, confirmed mafia, who has not launched any nuke at all yet so I'm sure to have one, has surely conspired with my fellow mafia to all launch nukes at a single townie. Obviously. anti-nukes. ToD. | ||
haster27
Taiwan809 Posts
April 10 2010 01:08 GMT
#2321
On April 10 2010 10:05 JeeJee wrote: Show nested quote + On April 10 2010 10:01 ~OpZ~ wrote: On April 10 2010 09:53 JeeJee wrote: On April 10 2010 09:48 haster27 wrote: On April 10 2010 09:44 ~OpZ~ wrote: On April 10 2010 09:17 haster27 wrote: Warning: Citizen, I know you are frustrated, but seeing as now you can launch retaliation nuke against JeeJee, I will have to warn you as precaution. If you launch another nuke toward JeeJee I will be forced to abandon my defense of you completely. Also please confirm that the nuke you just robbed was fake because possibility of you lying about your ability still somewhat exists. JeeJee no has bold. Can not be real nuke. Do not, I repeat do NOT hit him Citizen. GOD FUCKING DAMN YOU GUYS. The fact that he has launched fake nukes before, and toward ~OpZ~ today is another proof that nuke JeeJee launched is obviously fake. pop quiz: when did i ever launch a fake nuke? no...you haven't launched one. I mean, truth, all mafia has to do is launch nukes at one townie...I guess I'll have to find a way to force a draw. I will launch another nuke right before I get hit. If I die and pop mason, haster, launch a nuke at citizen, and I Implore all other townies, if I die, nuke citizen, EVEN IF YOU DON'T HAVE NUKES. Citizen, retaliate one EVERYTHING, again, if I die. so you're telling me you think i might have real nukes? but i thought it was confirmed that my nukes were stolen. how else would i know about colombia? hell, how can i possibly know what hints ace leaves in his PMs, even if i was colombia? (i'm not btw) bada-bing, way to make sense. i'm done with you, you are definitely LVP. a fucking confirmed mason alive after so many nights? welcome to frown-town Yes, I know your nukes are fake, and you are probably trying to muck up the debate by trying to get citizen to launch nukes. It will not work. However, it is important to set up contingency plans for all possibilites, right? That is pro-town. | ||
haster27
Taiwan809 Posts
April 10 2010 01:10 GMT
#2325
On April 10 2010 10:06 Elemenope wrote: With no anti-nukes used on nemy nor Zona the second time, do you honestly think town has anti-nukes left? And if I felt that we were going to lose right here, why would I care about ToD if town can also lose with me? Well, okay, I am putting a bit of faith on ~OpZ~ here, because I do believe he is Mason. Also, seriously? Mafia can win the game after lynching one Townie since town is in permanent lylo, and they can launch nuke anytime if they are in fail position upcoming days. Are you seriously suggesting Mafia will throw away the win they almost obtained? | ||
haster27
Taiwan809 Posts
April 10 2010 01:10 GMT
#2327
On April 10 2010 10:10 Elemenope wrote: Show nested quote + On April 10 2010 10:08 haster27 wrote: On April 10 2010 10:05 JeeJee wrote: On April 10 2010 10:01 ~OpZ~ wrote: On April 10 2010 09:53 JeeJee wrote: On April 10 2010 09:48 haster27 wrote: On April 10 2010 09:44 ~OpZ~ wrote: On April 10 2010 09:17 haster27 wrote: Warning: Citizen, I know you are frustrated, but seeing as now you can launch retaliation nuke against JeeJee, I will have to warn you as precaution. If you launch another nuke toward JeeJee I will be forced to abandon my defense of you completely. Also please confirm that the nuke you just robbed was fake because possibility of you lying about your ability still somewhat exists. JeeJee no has bold. Can not be real nuke. Do not, I repeat do NOT hit him Citizen. GOD FUCKING DAMN YOU GUYS. The fact that he has launched fake nukes before, and toward ~OpZ~ today is another proof that nuke JeeJee launched is obviously fake. pop quiz: when did i ever launch a fake nuke? no...you haven't launched one. I mean, truth, all mafia has to do is launch nukes at one townie...I guess I'll have to find a way to force a draw. I will launch another nuke right before I get hit. If I die and pop mason, haster, launch a nuke at citizen, and I Implore all other townies, if I die, nuke citizen, EVEN IF YOU DON'T HAVE NUKES. Citizen, retaliate one EVERYTHING, again, if I die. so you're telling me you think i might have real nukes? but i thought it was confirmed that my nukes were stolen. how else would i know about colombia? hell, how can i possibly know what hints ace leaves in his PMs, even if i was colombia? (i'm not btw) bada-bing, way to make sense. i'm done with you, you are definitely LVP. a fucking confirmed mason alive after so many nights? welcome to frown-town Yes, I know your nukes are fake, and you are probably trying to muck up the debate by trying to get citizen to launch nukes. It will not work. However, it is important to set up contingency plans for all possibilites, right? That is pro-town. How can he get citizen to launch nukes? citizen already launched a nuke JeeJee retaliated to it. Citizen can't launch more nukes at him. What are you on? Okay, thank you for informing me. That is very good. | ||
haster27
Taiwan809 Posts
April 10 2010 01:18 GMT
#2330
On April 10 2010 10:15 Elemenope wrote: Show nested quote + On April 10 2010 10:10 haster27 wrote: On April 10 2010 10:06 Elemenope wrote: With no anti-nukes used on nemy nor Zona the second time, do you honestly think town has anti-nukes left? And if I felt that we were going to lose right here, why would I care about ToD if town can also lose with me? Well, okay, I am putting a bit of faith on ~OpZ~ here, because I do believe he is Mason. Also, seriously? Mafia can win the game after lynching one Townie since town is in permanent lylo, and they can launch nuke anytime if they are in fail position upcoming days. Are you seriously suggesting Mafia will throw away the win they almost obtained? What win? Opz has all the mafia by their balls apparently. We have no chance to win now according to Opz. Which means that I should be telling my mafia buddies to go out and throw all these nukes out to get ToD and end the game. In fact, regardless if Opz has all the other mafia pinned, at the very least Caller and I should be throwing out nukes onto other townies, since we're outed as confirmed mafia, after all, if we were to die, why not take a townie with us? To the contrary, when the ~OpZ~ had citizen side by the balls, why didn't Mafia follow same nuke ditch strategy either? Your argument is ineffective. | ||
haster27
Taiwan809 Posts
April 10 2010 01:18 GMT
#2331
On April 10 2010 10:15 flamewheel91 wrote: Show nested quote + On April 10 2010 09:56 Iaaan wrote: also, vote count/day end time flamewheel? :D I would go look but I'm lazy + Show Spoiler [Hidden to save space!] + Vote Count: Votes for a player: Caller (1) Haster27 citi.zen (2) Caller JeeJee ~OpZ~ (1) Elemenope Elemenope (3) ~OpZ~ Abenson citi.zen No lynch (2) Iaaan d3_crescentia Votes by player: Haster 27 voted for: Caller citi.zen voted for: Caller citi.zen Caller Elemenope Caller voted for: citi.zen ~OpZ~ voted for: citi.zen Caller Elemenope Iaaan voted for: citi.zen No Lynch JeeJee voted for: citi.zen Abenson voted for: Caller Elemenope Elemenope voted for: ~OpZ~ d3_crescentia voted for: No Lynch Since JeeJee's nuke did not go through, per Ace's rules, there is no lynch for today. Night time start(ed) on April 10th, 5:01 KST, and will end a day from now, on April 11th, 5:01 KST. No nukes launched after day ended will be counted. Night roles, your actions please <3 And once again, sorry for the delay. Just finished eating at Golden Corral. So. Effing. Fat. ...What? | ||
haster27
Taiwan809 Posts
April 10 2010 01:34 GMT
#2336
On April 10 2010 10:32 citi.zen wrote: Show nested quote + On April 10 2010 10:25 Elemenope wrote: On April 10 2010 10:18 haster27 wrote: On April 10 2010 10:15 Elemenope wrote: On April 10 2010 10:10 haster27 wrote: On April 10 2010 10:06 Elemenope wrote: With no anti-nukes used on nemy nor Zona the second time, do you honestly think town has anti-nukes left? And if I felt that we were going to lose right here, why would I care about ToD if town can also lose with me? Well, okay, I am putting a bit of faith on ~OpZ~ here, because I do believe he is Mason. Also, seriously? Mafia can win the game after lynching one Townie since town is in permanent lylo, and they can launch nuke anytime if they are in fail position upcoming days. Are you seriously suggesting Mafia will throw away the win they almost obtained? What win? Opz has all the mafia by their balls apparently. We have no chance to win now according to Opz. Which means that I should be telling my mafia buddies to go out and throw all these nukes out to get ToD and end the game. In fact, regardless if Opz has all the other mafia pinned, at the very least Caller and I should be throwing out nukes onto other townies, since we're outed as confirmed mafia, after all, if we were to die, why not take a townie with us? To the contrary, when the ~OpZ~ had citizen side by the balls, why didn't Mafia follow same nuke ditch strategy either? Your argument is ineffective. I don't know why mafia didn't follow the same strategy. Why don't you go ask them? Excellent. So then My nuke did not go through either, right? So let's do this the right way JeeJee - launch you nuke now. You go first, i retaliate. Let's go. 1) The nuke can only be launched at Day. 2) You are an idiot. | ||
haster27
Taiwan809 Posts
April 10 2010 19:35 GMT
#2372
I had entire plan for victory ready too, rofl. Personally I found it hilarious that I had to play fucking pro-town entire game because Town was so stupid. I was literally playing as how I would play Townie -_- My post-game thoughts to come later. Props to Mafia for preventing JeeJee death by roleblocking me night 3. | ||
haster27
Taiwan809 Posts
April 10 2010 22:35 GMT
#2391
No? Fuck, it might easily have been, considering how almost all the Townies damaged the Town than me. Still, it was pretty fun playing Serial Killer in this game; this role is very hard to win with, but because one have so much power on his own disposal, it is very easy to sketch out strategies. Day 1, I tried to play myself as pro-town as debate about what should be anti-nuke policy raged on, posting sensible thoughts and pointing out flaws in other people's statements. I also first argued for two retaliatory nukes because I had no nuke defense at that point (I knew nukes were going to start flying sooner or later so I really tried hard to get anti-nuke earlier days in the game) and the town nuke supply would have gotten exhausted pretty quickly if they followed my proposal. Before everything went to hell I also had little spat with JeeJee and Caller about me spamming what not. (I suppose they were throwing random accusations hoping to get solid lynch candidate formed.) This would be our first encounter, and was harbinger of what would happen later on- both of these players will turn out to be my greatest nemesis. Now, about the voting thing. I saw opportunity to appear pro-town when unjust bandwagon for L was rapidly forming. I immedately started counter-bandwagon against Abenson, who I thought was better target as he was lurker, and other sensible players easily followed my lead. I did not expect that result of my action would lead to ~OpZ~/Abenson role-claim. Although I had firm logical grounds for targetting Abenson, I knew if someone criticized on me people's perception on me would slightly turn for the worse. Thus when JeeJee started bandwagon against RebirthOfLegend using exact same reasoning as mine, I jumped in. Damn you Mafia :p I am impartial about nuke RoL launched. I know it was horrible for the town, but because of his actions, combined with L's return, gave me chance to really argument my image. I think by end of day 1 I was one of the least suspected of anti-towns. First, let me explain why I sided with L. Besides him making pretty good sense- and he made a pretty good shield also because he seemed to be some fucking hate attractor- he proposed the plan that would have led to 3 deaths instead of 2 deaths. As I am Serial Killer and was not aware of how fucked up Town was yet, more kill sounded much better. My penchant for more deaths (but by hands of other players) was one of the reason I took such strong position against non-concensus nukers besides the fact they were incredibly stupid. Well, apparently everyone decided that I needed to be relearnt the meaning of "having too much of a good thing" and started throwing nukes everywhere. To be honest, at day 1 I was happy and kept pusing for the massacre of non-concensus nukers, but when same trend kept carrying onto the following days... boy I knew I had the trouble in my hands. I would write more about day 1, but seeing as how it consisted of imbeciles leaping up one after another and me consistently arguing against them, I am not even going to bother. At least it put me in pretty strong position perception-wise. At night 1, I stole from JeeJee since he was the one besides Bill Murray who explicitedly stated he had nukes (and didn't use it). Unknowingly by doing this I had my revenge on JeeJee for dragging me into what now was revealed to be Mafia bandwagon Day 2, Xelin is being fucking idiot. Can I please stop talking about this day? Everytime I think about it something inside my heart dies. Okay, maybe there IS something sane to talk about, it namely being Meeple and Caller roleclaim. Personally, at that very moment I had Caller pegged down as Mafia. His story was so surreal and convenient that I don't understand how could anyone else not see it. But at that moment I wasn't playing that much pro-town yet, so I kept following my policy of lynching all non-concensus nukers anyway. As night 2 action, I chose to steal a nuke from Abenson who country-claimed United Kingdom, a nuclear power. Abenson was also confirmed Mason, which prevented my nuke-steal from "verifying" alignment of another player since I was always careful not to make any statement that suggested nuke-stealer might be third party; Mafia would descend down on me like flies if I did that. I entertained the possibility of killing Fishball for moment, but my intention was to hide my killing powers unless there were few players left, and I was confident Mafia would try to stop Fishball from using his abilities so I removed him from my night action calculations and never thought about him again. Day 3, I make my biggest mistake in the game, country-claiming as Portugal. Unlike any other players, I had problem with country-claiming because everyone knew Colombia was anti-town. I hoped to circumvent suspicion by taking some risks and claiming early before any others revealed their country, since it could be argued that Colombia would country-claim late because he would be fearful of country he decided to pretend as being represented by another player in the game. This much was good, but I did not want to take so much risk and claimed Portugal which was small country. At that time most countries were unclaimed, so I thought there were equal portions of small and big countries mixed in; as the day continued and it turned out most player had big countries, I knew I had trouble and hoped someone wouldn't notice it. Well, stupid Townies didn't but Mafia did. Seriously, in the game, the true enemy I had was not the Townies but Mafia. Okay, Nikon business. My willingness to lynch Nikon instead of Caller was what made ~OpZ~ suspect me, though my actions in day 4 reversed his opinion about me pretty quickly again. What ~OpZ~ did not know was that I was the Third Party, and me, not knowing there were two SK in the game, was confident of Nikon being Mafia. Then there was all that about Nikon claiming to be hit even though I did not use my kill power yet. So in my mind I had choice between bandwagoning Caller or Nikon. I lynched Nikon because I wanted to keep Caller alive. This was what Mafia didn't understand (and kept protecting Caller). There was too many "confirmed" Townies in the game- namely being Abenson, ~OpZ~, laaan, and I suppose JeeJee though I found him suspicious as fuck by that time. As SK, it would be in my interest to keep people more scummy than me alive so that Town lynches them, not me. This is exactly why night 3, out of two Mafia suspects I had, JeeJee and Caller, I chose to kill JeeJee. It turned out to be wise decision as Mafia was protecting Caller vigilantly, but my faulty country-claim came back to kick my ass as Mafia detected something wrong from me claiming Portugal and role-blocked me. If I had some guts and claimed Spain, outcome of this game may have been vastly differnet but oh well. Day 4, I expected this day to be simple affair where Town rallied to lynch Caller. However, to my disbelief Caller makes even more scummier claim, and fucking EVERYONE but me calls out on Caller's bullshit! God damn it, laaan. If you had a bit of a brain we could have formed a fucking majority too. I know without two Masons the Town was screwed, and with wrong lynch Town's idiocy would drag me down with them. This is where I fully devoted myself into playing pro-town, trying to point out all the flaws so-called Caller supporters were proposing. Before ~OpZ~ revealed his trap at the very last moment, I was planning to nuke either Caller, d3_crescentia, or JeeJee at the last moment though it would have brought massive suspicion onto me. Fortunately before I did that I saw ~OpZ~ change his votes and immediately saw what was happening. Rest is ~OpZ~ and me duking it out with my sworn nemesis, Mafia. By the end of the day I was `100% certain that Mafia was Caller, JeeJee, d3_crescentia, and LMNOP. I was pretty sure LMNOP was last Mafia when ~OpZ~ proposed compromise lynch on LMNOP. I actually waited for JeeJee to respond before supporting it. Too bad citizen and laaan were being too pig-headed and did not follow the idea. As the day was seemingly ending in no lynch, I sprang a trap to further confirm JeeJee's scumminess. As long as no one was voted out, I can prevent Mafia victory by exercising my night kill. I was pretty sure JeeJee will "conveniently" miss his fake nuke timing should he be scum. He did, and even if he really intended to extend the day, his sudden burst of idiocy made it pretty certain he was Mafia anyway. Easy night kill. During the night time I had entire Mafia and Townie list down, so I was optimistic about my prospects. I intended to play Mafia and Townie off. This is how it would have went should there be no nukes: Day 5 3 Mafia 1 SK 3 Townie remaining. Caller (Mafia lynched) KILL A TOWNIE. Day 6 2 Mafia 1 SK 1 Townie remaining. PERSUADE TOWNIE SINCE HE CANNOT WIN ANYMORE, HE SHOULD FORCE NO LYNCH AND AWARD WIN TO MORE DESERVING PLAYER (lol, survivor.) If Mafia exercises his night kill 1 Mafia 1 SK game over. If Mafia does not use his night kill to try to persuade Townie they should win, nuke the Townie and turn the remaining player into 1 Mafia 1 SK. Of course this plan depended on no other players using nukes, but I thought I could make adjustments as the new nukes cropped up. What I did not know was that Town no longer had any anti-nukes, and unlike dillusional-paranoid Townies, Mafia prudently saved their nukes for the late game. They won and I congratulate them for victory though honestly the Town wasn't that much of a hard competition for them I wish I had a gut and claimed Spain- I think I would definitely have had more fun trying to figure out last two Mafia (d3_crescentia and LMNOP) with JeeJee dead and day 4 completely different. Still, well played. This is the list of PM's I got from the game in chronological order: Ace WaW Role! + Show Spoiler + Yea if you have anti-nukes you can use those as much as possible if you please. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Oh okay. Also, I know the player is restricted to launching one nuke per day, but does this reaction apply to anti-missile defenses also? (as in, can I use my anti-missile defense more than one time per day?) ----------------------------------------- Original Message: I dont understand your question o.0? you dont get to pick what you steal, you just tell me the player. If they have nukes, you take 1. If they dont but have anti-nukes, you take one of those instead. If they have neither you get nothing ^_^ I randomized all the roles so I left everyone with whatever they got. SK is fun but tough so thats why I gave you the option to steal nukes. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Is it possible for me to state that I want to steal anti-missile defense, and then get nuke if the targetted player has 0 defense? (A/N: I really wanted that anti-nuke ) Geez, what a heavy-handed role to give to a beginner ----------------------------------------- Original Message <Ace>: You are The Colombian Slumlord! (anti-town, Serial Killer/Theif) You start with 0 nukes! Special Abilities: You only make coffee and export lots of drugs. Still, you don't like the fact that everyone else is getting crazy with their shit. At night, you may choose to kill any player of your choice. You are also immune to night kills and show up Innocent to Detective checks! You can still be nuked or lynched during the day. Since you don't have any nukes of your own, you must steal them. If you want to forego your night kill, you can target a player and steal up to 1 nuke from them if they have any. If they don't have any nukes, but have missile-defense weapons installed you will take those instead and leave behind lots of coffee beans and cocaine. The other players will be notified of their losses but not of who took them. Remember doing this means you cant kill at night. You win when you are the only one left alive in the town. Ace WaW interception question + Show Spoiler + sometime in between. I just will try not to make it obvious when it was launched. (A/N: To my memory I sent this message while RoL nuke was heading toward Caller. I think I was just being impatient, having to wait for night to arrive b/c this nuke. No way I had any idea how longer the day 1 was going to be rofl) ----------------------------------------- Original Message<Me>: One question: If the nuke is intercepted, is that fact publicly revealed at that very moment or the 24 hrs after the intercepted nuke had been launched? Ace WaW + Show Spoiler + o.0 ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Thanks, though I am assuming ~OpZ~ is not supposed to be at the Bill Murray list ;p ----------------------------------------- Original Message: I edited it ----------------------------------------- Original Message<Me>: Could you edit the voting list you just updated? JeeJee has pointed out some flaw in them. Ace WaW question + Show Spoiler + If you get hit during the night you'll be notified you got shot ----------------------------------------- Original Message<Me>: If I get NK hit during the night, will I be notified of this fact? What will be the message that I will receive? Ace WaW communication? + Show Spoiler + Oh. Just saw it- searched the browser for "PM" and assumed there was no mention about it seeing as how it returned no results -_-;;; Thank you. (A/N: I sent this right after we started to bandwagon RoL. You might remember my comment "I wish PM's were allowed in this game" or something. This is because I wanted to send everyone PM tellling to vote RoL. No lynch sucks because as SK moar death is better.) ----------------------------------------- Original Message: just read the rules ^_^ ----------------------------------------- Original Message<Me>: Is PM allowed in this game or not? Ace WaW stealing question + Show Spoiler + you'll still get to steal ^_^ ----------------------------------------- Original Message<Me>: In nighttime I choose to steal from Player A. At the same time, Mafia decides to NK Player A. Will the steal be successful, or fail because Mafia has already killed player A before I had chance to steal from him? Ace Is L's plan legit? + Show Spoiler + signal? I thought you were talking about the self nuke. I skipped that part of his post ----------------------------------------- By this, I mean his comment about Starcraft "signal" but I can't gauge if he is serious or not. ----------------------------------------- no, I'll address this in the thread ----------------------------------------- Original Message<Me>: Just had to ask (facepalm). (A/N:Where I am trolled by L's "let's play Starcraft and lose when you are Townie!" post. It was sent before L went over his rage and started posting sensical posts.) Ace question + Show Spoiler + yes ----------------------------------------- Original Message<Me>: Will person I am thieving against be notified even if I fail? Ace request + Show Spoiler + not for this game. I might consider next game. Part of this is because the players should be telling each other what they are capable of doing. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Can you make it so that when player having special role is killed, player can quickly discern its ability by posting the role information you included on PM at OP? Ace no Abenson replacement yet? + Show Spoiler + lol nah Abenson hasn't been replaced. I haven't mod killed him yet as its the weekend and lots of ppl arent active ----------------------------------------- Original Message<Me>: We need some decent pro-town player here Jesus Christ who can literally round out all these slimy scums infesting the town. but not enough to find me out flamewheel91 About Mafia WaW + Show Spoiler + Haha hosts can take a lot. When I hosted Mafia XX, I think I got about 300 pms alone asking about the bus driver role... Yeah, let the town kill people ^^ ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Actually I am bombarding Ace with so many questions now I bet he is quite sick of me right now. Either way, I'll just let the town do its job until night 2; what is the worst thing that could happen? :p ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Haha, maybe. Explicit wording at this point would be really important (see: Johnnyspazz xD) but a night kill would either lead to "serial killer???" or "who the fuck used his vigi shot???" in most cases. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: ^^ I am actually trying to nab myself an anti-nuke for day 2, b/c with all this nuke flying I feel I don't want some idiot to be crowned as epic hero after nuking me for no reason. Might change my opinion though, after I ask Ace if the person I stole from receives what kind of PM; "nuke is stolen" versus "nuke is stolen by SERIAL KILLER OMG". If second case, it might be better NK'ing someone just to keep the presence of SK in doubt. I wonder if there is no Mafia at L list at all actually. That would make an epic hilarious material ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Yeah, I saw that shift and it made me happy. Initially people are like "no nukes" trying to take the high road... and then things degenerate from there ^.^ I mean, the longer the day goes the better for you the better it is. During night, are you going to NK? Due to this being a completely closed setup, there's no way of knowing for sure if there's a serial killer or not. And yeah, wait for postgame. Shit's going to be so hilarious. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Thanks. Initially started rooting for L due to "let's nuke to get 3 kills day 1" policy, and I had somehow moved onto strong pro-town position due to all those random Townies coming out to fire nukes everywhere O.O Now if I can help in nabbing some Mafia day 2, I should be set for rest of the upcoming days. Only problem is getting shot by scum who will then start to connect the dots but... meh, we are heading toward endless day after all lol. I really wish I knew who are Mafias so I can laugh at the Townies more. ----------------------------------------- Original Message<flamewheel91>: I just want to say that I'm very impressed by the way you're playing, especially given the role you have. Keep it up ^^ Ace WaW Role! + Show Spoiler + cocaine and coffee was in his PM. I still dont see why you are being so paranoid but ok. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Is this the exact lettering you PM'd Jeejee? Because I can't see how he figured out coffee and Colombia from there :/ I need to know how much information is given away by stealing so I can make most beneficial decision. (A/N: I am still curious. Did JeeJee really guess Colombia from the two clues he was given? Because he talked as if he was certain of his guess, which made my country-claim lot harder.) ----------------------------------------- Original Message: "one of your nukes/anti nukes have been stolen and some cocaine was left in place" ----------------------------------------- Original Message: What kind of PM will person I stole from receive? (as in, "nuke is stolen" versus "nuke is stolen by SERIAL KILLER OMG") ----------------------------------------- Original Message<Ace>: You are The Colombian Slumlord! (anti-town, Serial Killer/Theif) You start with 0 nukes! Special Abilities: You only make coffee and export lots of drugs. Still, you don't like the fact that everyone else is getting crazy with their shit. At night, you may choose to kill any player of your choice. You are also immune to night kills and show up Innocent to Detective checks! You can still be nuked or lynched during the day. Since you don't have any nukes of your own, you must steal them. If you want to forego your night kill, you can target a player and steal up to 1 nuke from them if they have any. If they don't have any nukes, but have missile-defense weapons installed you will take those instead and leave behind lots of coffee beans and cocaine. The other players will be notified of their losses but not of who took them. Remember doing this means you cant kill at night. You win when you are the only one left alive in the town. Ace Never-ending WaW questions + Show Spoiler + 1.) False, it will show up as intercepted by Columbia (I wont reveal your full name because that'd be crazy ^_^) 2.) False, only player A. B gets to keep his. Also True at the second part, no one will know player B fired anything. 3.) Well I didn't give anyone false claims this game. You'll have to guess although I don't see how claiming Columbia is an issue. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: 1.If I intercept the nuke, the nuke post will be written as "the nuke was intercepted by anti-nuke from Columbian Slumlord!" (True/False) 2.In case player B fires anti-nuke after player A fires anti-nuke at the same missile: Both player A and B loses an anti-nuke (True/False) The nuke post will only be written as "the nuke was intercepted by (country of player A)."; involvement of player B will not be mentioned. (True/False) 3. Can you give me one country that was not used in this game? If people ask me what my country is, I don't think I can say either Columbia or Columbian Slumlord ----------------------------------------- Original Message<Ace>: You are The Colombian Slumlord! (anti-town, Serial Killer/Theif) You start with 0 nukes! Special Abilities: You only make coffee and export lots of drugs. Still, you don't like the fact that everyone else is getting crazy with their shit. At night, you may choose to kill any player of your choice. You are also immune to night kills and show up Innocent to Detective checks! You can still be nuked or lynched during the day. Since you don't have any nukes of your own, you must steal them. If you want to forego your night kill, you can target a player and steal up to 1 nuke from them if they have any. If they don't have any nukes, but have missile-defense weapons installed you will take those instead and leave behind lots of coffee beans and cocaine. The other players will be notified of their losses but not of who took them. Remember doing this means you cant kill at night. You win when you are the only one left alive in the town. haster27 WaW night action + Show Spoiler + I wish to steal from JeeJee. Ace WaW night action! + Show Spoiler + oops ^_^ ----------------------------------------- Original Message: grammar (runs away) ----------------------------------------- Original Message<Ace>: You're efforts are successful! Your drug lords recover a nuclear warhead from JeeJee! Ace WaW + Show Spoiler + <Ace>pretty much (A/N: I hate you.) ----------------------------------------- Original Message<Me>: Okay, confirming this for the last time before I make my move. You will NOT tell me any countries not present in the game. RIght? ----------------------------------------- <Me> you evil evil man. show some mercy to the beleaguered Serial Killer, will you? This role probably have like win rate of 1%. ----------------------------------------- Original Message<Ace>: naw you'll just have to figure this one out on your own ^_^ ----------------------------------------- Original Message<Me>: now can you tell me one country that is not being represented by any of the players? T.T I don't feel like claiming myself as Colombia if there arises a situation I have to country-claim. flamewheel91 Hehe the game goes on~ + Show Spoiler + Lol^^ Trackers are always like suicidal cops... ----------------------------------------- Original Message: okay France is going to wish they stuck to cooking upcoming night. (If it stacks with Mafia, heck, a good thing since it denies information) ----------------------------------------- Original Message: That's true, better a sure shot than nothing... Just don't go firing it indiscriminately now. Yeah they're like "where is haster???" Might wanna get on that, townie. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Well, I expected it in this case because Jeejee did suggest he had nuke, and ofc he didn't end up using it. I wanted to steal something rather than chance it, because it does cost NK after all ^^. Currently busy trying to mount a defense on that other game so I don't get killed rofl. ----------------------------------------- Original Message<flamewheel91>: Damn, and here you were hoping for an antinuke T_T So I'm guessing you got it worked out with Ace so that a targeted victim doesn't know if the SK took it or not. Interesting. haster27 WaW night 2 action + Show Spoiler + Murder Fishball. Tell 'im that France should have stayed quiet cooking. Ace WaW night 2 action revision + Show Spoiler + ok ----------------------------------------- Original Message<Me>: Actually, just try to steal nuke from Abenson. Ace WaW night 2 + Show Spoiler + You tried to steal nukes from Abenson but failed! (A/N: On retrospect this didn't suck too much because it revealed they had nuke-switching ability and made them 100% confirmed Mason in my mind) flamewheel91 WaW + Show Spoiler + True. But Spain is well-known country, so I expect good chance one remaining players represent it. O.O Either way, maybe it IS time for me to take out my kill stick. Only 11 player going to be left next game after all... my dream of nabbing anti-nuke hardly seems likely now. And if Town fail lynches again, then I definitely need to make Mafia kill. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: ^^I hate inactivity. But there's no really adequate way of dealing with it... this is why Mafia get such an advantage early game with all the lazy people. Well, actually the Portugal never really had the navy... they receded in power once Spain and France and Britain started colonizing, but Spain is the one with the navy. 1588? Spanish Armada?^^ ----------------------------------------- Original Message: but killing Mafia confirms there are SK though, especially with Vigilante that is going to pop up if roleclaim works. Also, lol Nikon. I love how Mafia (or imbecile Townie) are starting to pop out of woodworks. As for the Portugal, that country had fairly strong navy before Great Britain took over, right? ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Not saying anything about that, but it's a funny country. ^^Doesn't matter who you kill right? As long as you're alive at the end... ----------------------------------------- Original Message: OH NOES Did I just screw myself by picking the country other player had? lol. (A/N: Yes, you did.) Actually I am feeling impulse to break away from tradition and kill ~OpZ~ because I felt suspicious about them being Mafia long time ago. I could be of course drastically wrong, but... ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Hehe, yeah. So much bullshittery going on. And why Portugal :O ----------------------------------------- Original Message<Me>: I love how ~OpZ~ and Abenson are so blatantly trying to call fowl on my night action, even though he didn't have any nukes (or anti-nukes which I wanted!) to be taken (A/N: I still don't get it. Was it some kind of piss-poor attempt to draw out nuke-stealer?) Ace WaW + Show Spoiler + you cant trash nukes ----------------------------------------- Original Message<Me>: Entertaining possibilities here- is it possible for me to trash (remove) my nuke without being detected? (A/N: I was worrying about ~OpZ~ pointing me out to launch a fake nuke here. At day 1 I made a post asking if I should fake nuke because I wanted to get real-nuke strike disguised as "fake nuke" later on the game. Instead, it became hindrance and I couldn't suggest I had nukes because I was afraid someone would point out that post. Until day 4 I would avoid being at keyboard the time deadline drew near when there was no one present to launch a fake nuke.) flamewheel91 lol + Show Spoiler + Haha, yeah. Though at this point I think people are afraid to use real nukes... ----------------------------------------- Original Message: I should follow it, though number of "confirmed/likely Townies" are starting to grow too much for my liking. Hell, if the Town lynches correctly, I might just stick to my habits and steal another nuke. ----------------------------------------- Original Message<flamewheel91>: Hmmm the town might be relying on you tonight^^ (A/N: But no way am I listening to your words, ~OpZ~) haster27 WaW night kill + Show Spoiler + Fuck it. Let's send everything to shitstorm. ##Kill JeeJee haster27 WaW night action + Show Spoiler + You know what? ##No action haster27 clarification + Show Spoiler + I am going to think about NK a bit, so I'll probably send in new command within next hours. Ace WaW night action + Show Spoiler + ok ----------------------------------------- Original Message<Me>: ##Kill JeeJee Whatever. Either this move will make me or break me. (A/N: After all that deliberation...) Ace WaW + Show Spoiler + You've been roleblocked for Night 3! (A/N: Ace must have been rofling as I kept changing my night action deliberating whether I should reveal the existance of another KP or not.) L Hi :3 + Show Spoiler + hahahaha you know. Good, then I can be honest. Don't change the fact that they are beginning to annoy me because Mafia became too strong unlike I expected. Maybe I shouldn't have pre-occupied myself trying to get anti-nuke. Urrg, that roleblock really put me in bad position for sure. I'll try to work it out. Hopefully. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: I already know your role and win condition, so there's no 'we'. (A/N: =_=) That said, your last paragraph was very good in trying to hide who you are. Mafia seem to be on your case, though, which is bad news. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Thank you very much ^^ I am really annoyed because if we didn't suffer through lineup of idiocy - from random nukes right into disaster that is Xelin - we would be in so much better condition. (sigh) ----------------------------------------- Original Message<L>: That last post of yours was very well done. L wait + Show Spoiler + True. That's why I found Abenson's fake nuke particularly intelligent. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: He wasn't really trolling. He set up a rather solid trap. He'd have lost the game for town right there if mafia didn't have so many people afk, though. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Thank god he was trolling. I was getting Town 'Last Stand' strategy planned out (where ~OpZ~, Abenson, and any nuke-wielding Townies would strategically bomb Mafia suspects I POINT OUT to decimate Mafia anti-nuke ability, prevent Mafia victory, and possibly place Town in advantageous position) too. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: well, that's if you hit some townies :3 ----------------------------------------- Original Message: My only hope is that Mafia win condition entails SK's death. Then even if ~OpZ~ fucks up (I'll find out citizen's alignment depending on how much steam his amazing argument gathers), I can hopefully use my NK + nuke to bring situation back to 2 Mafia 1 SK 2 Townie. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: I hope Ace releases a role list after the game so that everyone can see how intensely bad certain players are. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: I almost want to convince myself into believing Abenson and ~Opz~ are REALLY REALLY intelligent Mafia, but I know that's not possible because false-claiming Canada and Great Britain so early in the game are suicidal + nuke switching (GB nuclear power). Of course Ace could have put those two countries as red and given all Mafia nuke-exchange abilities just for lols (in which case you would be lolling at me too), but seriously I have more faith in Ace than ~OpZ~. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Good lord Opz is a complete idiot. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: damn, maybe I should have gotten myself nuked earlier in the day too. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: well, yeah. makes for more hilarious spectating. ----------------------------------------- Original Message<Me>: does that mean you know the identity of every player in that game? O.O Ace Clarification needed + Show Spoiler + any time within that time frame, I just try not to make it obvious when the anti-nuke was fired (A/N: My plan to shut up LMNOP using this line of inquiry failed. Thankfully he didn't clarify this fact in the thread though I don't think anyone would be stupid enough to believe ~OpZ~ was anti-town even if he did.) ----------------------------------------- Original Message<Me>: In case nuke is fired, even if its intercepted within 24 hours, the day will end 24 hours after the nuke was fired. Right? Please clarify this point in the WaW thread. flamewheel91 hahahahaha + Show Spoiler + Thanks, got it edited. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: you have two Callers ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Oh yes, but I get to post EVEN MORE macro images. And I get to my font! Good luck to you now sir! ----------------------------------------- Original Message<Me>: Now you actually have to WORK to let this chaos you love continue. flamewheel91 With love + Show Spoiler + Lol no u. From what I take, there's been no lynch (haven't gotten to thread yet...) Good luck tonight ----------------------------------------- Original Message: NO U ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Unfortunately, I can't update the OP... >.> It's Ace's. ----------------------------------------- Original Message<Me>: Will you please update the OP so it displays night 1, day 2, night 2, and day 3 post? You might also choose to challenge yourself and add all the nuke posts as well ^^ flamewheel91 WaW + Show Spoiler + I like that quote. ----------------------------------------- Original Message<Me>: "But I think the one thing that I can say about us is that we're very consistent about certain things and part of that is our desire to do the very best work that we can and not rest on our laurels, or not allow formula to come into what we do." Michael stipe (A/N: I take solace in stopping your perfect victory, scum.) ##Kill JeeJee Also, let's vote for fun! Poll: Who is Town LVP? (Vote): ~OpZ~/Abenson pair (Vote): iNfuNdiBuLuM/citizen (Vote): laaan (Vote): RebirthofLegend (Vote): johnnyspazz (Vote): Phrujbaz/Bill Murray (Vote): tree.hugger (Vote): Amber[LighT] (Vote): meeple (Vote): Xelin (Vote): Versatile (Vote): nemY | ||
haster27
Taiwan809 Posts
April 10 2010 22:50 GMT
#2395
On April 11 2010 07:48 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: Show nested quote + On April 11 2010 07:40 johnnyspazz wrote: should've saved me for the nukes and antinukes i thought you could have saved yourself? why didn't you? No, he can't use anything until day 2. You can read it from the USA description. | ||
haster27
Taiwan809 Posts
April 10 2010 23:44 GMT
#2400
On April 11 2010 08:37 Bill Murray wrote: i'd like to know why i'm even on the LVP list. I used my anti-nuke to save a medic from an idiot townie I actually liked to put entire player list to make it fair, but 12 was maximum. That is the list after I excluded Mafia, third party, and what I believe L and Fishball. | ||
haster27
Taiwan809 Posts
April 11 2010 02:01 GMT
#2409
Hmm, don't know whether you are speaking about day 3 or day 4 but I'll try to answer both. Notice that as a Serial Killer, I was fighting double-fronted war. There was me, Mafia, and "confirmed Townies". Actually that is bad choice of word. By confirmed Townies, I mean players that have so much pro-town reputation it would be difficult to lead the town into lynching them. Around day 3 there were four player Town believed to be Town: ~OpZ~, Abenson, laaan, and you. Just like L stated, you would have been impossible to lynch before you went overboard in your defense of Caller. So at day 3 I am facing pressure in two ways; I need to kill Mafia, yet I also needed to reduce the number of players in "likely Townies" pool. And you were perfect: I was almost confident of you being scum (and day 4 solidified it for me) yet you were believed to be Town by majority. If I kill Caller, I only decrease # of Mafia. If I kill you, I decrease # of Mafia and "likely Townies". Moreover, the Town would be shocked that person they were so sure of being Town was Mafia, and would be more willing to accept the argument that laaan was anti-town if the need came for me to advocate such argument. In the long-term it was simply an best choice. I took such risk on day 3 even when I wasn't completely sure yet so there was nothing stopping me at day 4 where you basically revealed your alignment. Having you - strongest pro-Caller supporter - flip red is just as good as having Caller flip red, except that bandwagoning against Caller will be much easier than bandwagoning you, especially considering how ~OpZ~ repeatedly made statement about how "it pains him to fight against what I believe to be Townie". Seriously, after seeing how Town responded to Caller in day 4, I was afraid that people would actually listen to your defense when Caller died. One more thing that further encouraged me to kill you was that you were pretty good at making arguments- remember I was forced to concede on most of the points when I replied to your posts. If you see my planning at my after-game post, you notice that it was mostly centered on getting Townies to agree with me. No way was I going to keep smooth talker like you alive. And oh yeah, even though I hesistated on day 3 I was pretty confident you were Mafia. You played well but I was able to find you out quickly because of two things: 1) I was pretty focused on cutting down number of "likely Townies" and was trying desperately to find any scum hiding within that list, which meant I paid more attention to you and laaan than other players and 2) I was basically following the similar style of appearing to play pro-town which meant I was able to judge you objectively despite your veil of pro-townieness. @Ace True. I was too greedy trying to basically make myself invincible, and failed to notice that game was slowly falling into Mafia hands as I obsessed over grabbing anti-nukes. | ||
haster27
Taiwan809 Posts
April 11 2010 02:06 GMT
#2410
On April 11 2010 10:17 JeeJee wrote: also manggg you got so many PMs lol >.< i got like none, aside from a few "wtf you're mafia? wp" after deaths oh yeah, this was my first game as mafia (well i was in tracil's but that one doesn't count) and i am quite happy with how it went ^_^ also god damn opz arguing with you was so annoying at some point i convinced myself there was a second mafia family and you had to be in it. seriously, you have some talent for directly replying to posts but not actually answering anything i ask oh and... so masons don't actually have any nuke switching ability do they? i forget exactly what happened but did opz just launch a real nuke early on and they had no more left? and last question@haster.. why of all people target me instead of caller? caller was pretty much duh-mafia, and if he flips, town will lynch d3 for you obviously, then all's candy. lol I think many mods found irony in that one of the Town's strongest defender was in fact an SK >.< | ||
haster27
Taiwan809 Posts
April 11 2010 02:11 GMT
#2411
On April 11 2010 06:34 Elemenope wrote: Show nested quote + On April 11 2010 06:27 L wrote: On April 11 2010 05:45 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: On April 11 2010 05:05 L wrote: On April 11 2010 03:08 Ver wrote: This should not have worked, but people are terrible. I loved Caller's strategy. Hosting his games must've paid off. Caller's Recipe for Success. What to do if you get caught red-handed: 1) Post immediately out of nowhere after being accused despite having lurked the entire game. 2) Make up a bunch of random and far-fetched claims to mislead them. A cop here, random nation there, weird sanity here, convenient dead person check there...hmm that's not good enough. 3) Add even more bizarre claims to confuse them so much they just ignore you. What's missing? Invent a role! How about a Bus driver switch? Follow it up by sidetracking everyone into debates about how this role that doesn't exist works so they forget about the real issue. 4) When people finally stop getting sidetracked and come back to accusing you, spice it up more! Reveal you are actually an even more suspicious country, supply some random filler, and 'rolecheck' your accusers. 5) Now sidetrack everything onto a long debate about how the accuser's role works according to other rules to make everyone confused and waste time. Accuse said person that they don't understand their role. Mayhem ensues and town misses the lynch. I think the distraction provided by XeliN / Nikon really helped him get away with it. edit: i'm also surprised at the number of nukes the mafia had Not really. That was stupid in its own right, but the last day alone was absolutely ridiculous. The entire mafia team was caught and townies basically went: " Ok lol, we won't kill any of you :3 :3 :3 " Best part about the last day was the fact that Shinbichan launched a nuke after the deadline and pretended his internet was blowing balls. And all the stuff that happened afterwards for about the next two pages. I really should have took the risk and "fake nuke" JeeJee, especially with the revealation that there were no more anti-nukes | ||
haster27
Taiwan809 Posts
April 11 2010 02:18 GMT
#2413
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haster27
Taiwan809 Posts
April 11 2010 14:55 GMT
#2434
~OpZ~// I just didn't want to give a speck of suggestion that tipped Mafia off of my ability lol. Also, you kept blasting me about being Mafia while you kept JeeJee, obvious scum, sliding, so I just decided to NK him and agreed with your points in order to mollify you. | ||
haster27
Taiwan809 Posts
April 15 2010 18:12 GMT
#2446
On April 15 2010 16:45 Nikon wrote: Show nested quote + On April 11 2010 05:45 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: On April 11 2010 05:05 L wrote: On April 11 2010 03:08 Ver wrote: This should not have worked, but people are terrible. I loved Caller's strategy. Hosting his games must've paid off. Caller's Recipe for Success. What to do if you get caught red-handed: 1) Post immediately out of nowhere after being accused despite having lurked the entire game. 2) Make up a bunch of random and far-fetched claims to mislead them. A cop here, random nation there, weird sanity here, convenient dead person check there...hmm that's not good enough. 3) Add even more bizarre claims to confuse them so much they just ignore you. What's missing? Invent a role! How about a Bus driver switch? Follow it up by sidetracking everyone into debates about how this role that doesn't exist works so they forget about the real issue. 4) When people finally stop getting sidetracked and come back to accusing you, spice it up more! Reveal you are actually an even more suspicious country, supply some random filler, and 'rolecheck' your accusers. 5) Now sidetrack everything onto a long debate about how the accuser's role works according to other rules to make everyone confused and waste time. Accuse said person that they don't understand their role. Mayhem ensues and town misses the lynch. I think the distraction provided by XeliN / Nikon really helped him get away with it. edit: i'm also surprised at the number of nukes the mafia had I got killed before I could set forth my serial killer claim I didn't actually think there was a serial killer in the game. Let me say that I killed Amber[Light], and when there was only 1 kill the next night I claimed vet to further fuel the suspicions about a serial killer in the game. So, uh, yeah. I hate you so much. /~_~/ (Serial Killer who tried to hide his abilitiy- failed, Serial Killer who thought he had Mafia who lied about night actions- failed again.) Ediited for clarity, yes. Edit 2: Blankets are refering to me, by the way. | ||
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