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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
also Zona said: I'm glad you're posting more than fluff now that you're in the hot spot. I am already dead and have been for pages. I am just posting my thoughts. Once I hit 12 votes I was dead, there is no defense for me now, I am lynched. Unless somehow nukes change voting rules in which case I might still be dead. | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
~OpZ~: 36 Elemenope: 35 haster27: 28 XeliN: 26 Versatile: 24 RebirthOfLeGenD: 22 johnnyspazz: 18 JeeJee: 17 Fishball: 16 Amber[LighT]: 14 iNfuNdiBuLuM: 14 Iaaan: 13 Caller: 10 Nikon: 9 meeple: 9 d3_crescentia: 9 Abenson: 7 nemY: 6 tree.hugger: 4 Phrujbaz: 2 L: 2 One final post tally before I leave. If you hadn't nuked someone RoL, there surely would be better lynch targets now. But you did. @RoL. I changed my mind because originally I thought about game setups from my own point of view, and my definition of balance, which in my mind is the definitive way to balance (I calculate the probabilities for each team if they acted randomly, the number of lynches required and mislynches allowed, and more, for goodness's sake). But Versatile reminded me that I should be thinking from Ace's point of view and not my own. And Ace definitely has a different view of balance than I do, so I should not bring my assumptions about how I would balance a game (which I had been considering the definitive way) into a game where Ace is hosting. | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
There is no way around that and without my nuke none of this conversation would have been happening. I would of been dead ~2 hours ago. I honestly can't believe you were the one jumping down my throat for being a retard. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
On March 25 2010 13:53 Bill Murray wrote: + Show Spoiler + On March 25 2010 13:48 Zona wrote: Hey, if you're a medic, please read this: When I started proposing plans and posting, I had hoped that there would be other players who would participate as much as or even more than I have. But for better or worse, I have by far the most posts in the thread. Allow me to flatter myself and claim that at least some of my posts have been useful and beneficial to the town, such as being the first to lay out the importance of not initiating nukes. Usually I look down upon those who publicly ask for medic protection, as I think the ego of such players cause them to overestimate their contributions and importance to the town, but in this game I do think I stand out as a target for the mafia to kill at night, if only to significantly reduce the amount of discussion that takes place in the game. Please consider me as a protection target if you have not already done so. But of course, the final decision is in your hands. 'Please Vote me MVP' I'm sorry that you're interpreting it this way. There's no way a real MVP can be decided this early in the game, there's still a lot to be played out. Maybe later in the game someone will somehow read the entire mafia team and get them all lynched one by one (like what citi.zen did in incognito's mafia 16). Now that would be legitimate MVP material. I would just like to point out to any potential medics out there that it's possible I would be considered a higher value target to the mafia when compared to another player randomly chosen from the player list. | ||
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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On March 25 2010 11:33 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Even I read this part, wtf? I'm a mason. I can talk outside the thread with Abenson. I'm not sure if I can post what me and him talk about. | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
On March 25 2010 14:04 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Regardless of how the game is thought of, the fact is the least influential role in a game of mafia is a townie, Sigh. This is the kind of viewpoint that leads to weak towns. Mechanically, it's true that the townie has the fewest abilities. But that means all the more that townies should often be at the forefront of discussion, as if they are targetted, the town won't collectively lose a special power. Would the team rather lose a blue? Townies are the core of the town team. If townies are discouraged by the role they receive and play passively because of it, then the town's chances of victory are greatly diminished. In any case, you seem to have nukes. So you aren't a plain townie. Unless you plan to now claim that the nuke is fake. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On March 25 2010 14:01 Bill Murray wrote: People can't unvote while the nuke is in the air? You can. The nuke just delays everything so you can literally do whatever you want as if the day was still going on. | ||
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Fishball
Canada4788 Posts
On March 25 2010 14:10 ~OpZ~ wrote: I'm a mason. I can talk outside the thread with Abenson. I'm not sure if I can post what me and him talk about. If the rules on the first page doesn't say, then you can. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
Or a townie, who kind of just adds one to the town and overall looking at the ROLE itself not the people playing it is much LESS influential on the outcome of the game. This has nothing to do at all with "Me thinking greens are worthless" but to say they are of equal importance to a medic would be foolish. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
On March 25 2010 14:16 Ace wrote: You can. The nuke just delays everything so you can literally do whatever you want as if the day was still going on. Since I already went over 12 votes, if they were to switch would I still live even though the minimum vote count has been reached anyway? | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
On March 25 2010 14:22 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Holy shit, are you that dense Zona? You just completely ignored what I said, or at the very least misinterpreted it entirely. I understand that an active green/townie population plays a strong role in the town, its why regardless of my role I never shut the fuck up. I was saying from a BALANCE PERSPECTIVE which is WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT. A townie has the least impact on balance in the game as opposed to say adding me in as lets say in normal game terms a Vigi which increases town KP, another Mafia, another godfather which rape the town (I am purposely going to extremes here) or lets say adding an entire third role on the spur of the moment giving me an entire different agenda without having thought it through entirely which would either make my objective impossible or too easy which would essentially ruin the game. Or a townie, who kind of just adds one to the town and overall looking at the ROLE itself not the people playing it is much LESS influential on the outcome of the game. This has nothing to do at all with "Me thinking greens are worthless" but to say they are of equal importance to a medic would be foolish. You've already shown you're not a plain townie by launching a nuke and implying it was real. Unless you plan now to reverse your stance and say it is fake. So your argument that balance implies you are a plain townie is null and void. And yes I did go off on a tangent there, because I wanted to make the point to the rest of our readers that townies shouldn't stay inactive, and you provided an opportunity for me to do so. And it's interesting you call me dense, when you are the superstar who read the rules and didn't comprehend their implications. Read the thread and somehow missed the entire discussion on how nuking first was anti-town. Read the thread and also missed all but 6 of my posts the first time around. Ugh. I can't believe I'm still arguing with you. | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
On March 25 2010 14:19 Ace wrote: He can't. I addressed it in the thread.. Can't he at least share the ideas they discussed? If he doesn't copy-paste the wording from the PM? | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
Also that is like saying "HOLY SHIT ROL KILLED CALLER, THAT MUST MEAN HE IS MAFIA" "...Or vigilante?" From the sounds of this game most countries have nuking powers, I also never said whether or not my nuke was real or fake, nor my country, or my alignment. I also don't plan on saying any of those. I guess you could argue since I was a late entry I would NOT get a role with ANY power what so ever, and in most cases I would agree with you. However I do not think any of us have played a mafia game that is quite like this. Perhaps most/all countries have powers and I got a particularly underpowered one. Who knows? From what you say you are under the impression that you are either A. A weak country who doesn't think I SHOULD have more power than he does (assuming my nuke is legitimate) or B. A mafia who has a fair amount of powers and is assuming most other roles are not as powerful as you initially anticipated. I am inclined to the latter. | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
On March 25 2010 14:33 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: I also never said whether or not my nuke was real or fake, You didn't say whether it was real or fake? On March 25 2010 13:59 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: At this point letting caller die is the only way to do this. What's this? You say he'll die from your nuke? I wonder what sort of nuke would be able to kill, real or fake? | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
On March 25 2010 14:04 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Regardless of how the game is thought of, the fact is the least influential role in a game of mafia is a townie, hence if you had to add another role that would effect the game in the smallest way possible it would be a townie. Which is the reason why I pointed out that with your nuke, and the claim of death that it would bring, means that you are not claiming to be vanilla town, which is what you have implied by adopting the 'balance purposes' argument, and which is now shown to be false. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
Out of respect for the host I am not going to say my role, my power, or whether or not my nuke is real. | ||
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johnnyspazz
Taiwan1470 Posts
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