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XeliN
United Kingdom1755 Posts
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Zona
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On March 25 2010 12:34 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Just to point this out, even if Caller flips red I am still not proven innocent. You really aren't helping things. It's true that there is a mathematical possibility that if Caller flips red that you are mafia as well, but in that case you are the worst mafia player in the world. If that were the case, you are about to kill, or at least put a lot of heat on one of your fellow mafia members who had very little suspicion at that point, to maybe have a chance of saving yourself. If you were really mafia and did this - I would want you to stay alive. And keep screwing up and revealing all the other mafia, before we finally got rid of you as well. Now if you were a really, really sophisticated player, which you have proved beyond doubt you are NOT (by not reading rules, not reading posts, etc. etc.), you could have launched the nuke hoping that it would be anti-nuked. So you divert attention away from yourself and simultaneously bus your mafia teammate, Caller (supposing he was your teammate). But even this wouldn't save yourself because we would have lynched you all the same. But all of this is hypothetical discussion that can all be ignored. We've clarified the rules, and since we do not have any time between getting information from the nuke and finalizing the lynch vote, the lynch must decided on you before the nuke lands. | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
On March 25 2010 12:36 Fishball wrote: Are you saying you're in a position to be able to make use of the extra 24 hours? I don't believe that I in particular have anything I can do to make use of the extra 24 hours. I was operating under the assumption that the town might not already have a majority vote on RoL, so hitting the lynch deadline (as a nuke was cancelled) would be bad, but a rough (so it's not solid!) re-reading of the thread shows that we have 14 votes on him, if we include non-bolded votes and other misformatted votes. So we should be okay either way. Someone else count the votes as well in case I've screwed up. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
On March 25 2010 12:10 Zona wrote: RebirthOfLegend. Awesome player. Comes into the game without reading and understanding the rules. Without reading the posts. With wrong assumptions left and right. And goes against the plan that everyone other player, so far, has adhered to. And worse - you seem to stop caring about winning (helping your side win) the moment your "life" is in danger by making boneheaded moves. Do you even understand the game? The game is about helping your side win, not surviving. If you somehow live long in the game and your side loses, you still lose. What a piss poor attitude. You signed up to play, and now you don't feel like reading? What did you sign up to do, anyways? To get your username into the "list of players" then ridiculed for not participating? Do you realize that your posts just before you die are the most important posts you make in a game, since when you die, your alignment is revealed and players can re-examine what you've said knowing who you were? So you didn't POST because you didn't fully read the rules...but you decided to NUKE instead? Is your logic a bit backwards? Worried about screwing up your posts (somehow?) by not understanding the game rather than screwing up the GAME by nuking before comprehending? And your obnoxious "LOL"'s in place of any hint of shame or regret. Do you think being cute will make up for the fuckup you've caused? Good riddance. I fucked up, get the fuck over it, holy shit. I read the rules initially but didn't fully memorize them. I just had an idea of what was going on. It was a new concept its not the shit I have learned and relearned the last 15 games of mafia I have played. When shit changes so does how I have to think. The last 2 days the game has been going I have been busy with school and shit. I have had a lot of work to make up before my spring break starts and when I finally am able to sit down to relax and read some mafia I find myself in a situation where like 8 votes have been stacked on me within a half hour. Now I have around 2 hours (being generous) to read everything and present a convincing argument for me to NOT get lynched. Here is how I looked at it. From what I HAD read Caller was being active without saying much, he usually plays like that however. The difference is in most other games hes talking a lot in PM's. This time around there is no PM chat (one of the things I remembered!) and he is still not really contributing much. He is one of the guys you wouldn't want to lynch in case he isn't mafia but quite frankly I would rather kill someone I think is mafia. I chose Caller, I decided he was mafia and opted to nuke him. I think saying that nuking is anti-town is fucking dumb. The mafia and the town have to avoid nuking because alternate conditions can end the game, and neither side would win. What I think is actually about to happen is Caller isn't going to die, at least by my nuke. I think he is mafia and was feigning a weak country (as seen in earlier posts) and the mafia is going to protect him for the night since you can't see who is actually going to do it. You should all decide to NOT protect him so him living would in itself be suspicious and would give you more information. I could be wrong that hes mafia, I really have just a tad bit of behavioral analysis on my side but I am pretty confident in what I said. I think Caller would be grandstanding at this point trying to get power and give some good ideas since hes in a precarious position without any PMing. I fully expect to die, however I think saying my move was anti-town and retarded is dumb in itself. Our goal is to kill the mafia, to say I am trying to make OUR team lose by nuking is dumb. I intend on killing someone I see as mafia and I might as well do it when its the first nuke and the chances of it ending the game are low as shit. If Caller doesn't die tonight I would label that as suspicious. I don't think there is much of a reason to save him. I am dead anyway, I think the posting about what to do about Caller is much more interesting then just mobbing me for having only 3 fucking posts rofl. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
On March 25 2010 12:39 johnnyspazz wrote: last time i checked, that was the whole premise on why we lynched BM last game I didn't play last game. In rare cases do you lynch on stupidity (unless you believe its a mafia feint tactic) | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
On March 25 2010 11:17 Caller wrote: Well, RoL, I came back and was pleased to find that someone had fired the first nuke of the game. I was slightly less pleased that I was the target, but nonetheless bravo for having the balls to do something like this. Please tell us if being "pleased to find someone had fired the first nuke of the game" is sarcasm or not. Just so that we can be sure. | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
On March 25 2010 08:57 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: I am just saying when I die look at his hypocrisy from saying I am most likely innocent to preserve balance which logically makes sense, to I am inactive scum. Since I'm going through everything again I might as well respond to this as well. A player is allowed to change their mind when a good reason is given. And the reason was given here: On March 24 2010 00:08 Versatile wrote: uh, just to address this. ace is fcukin crazy. no one's alignment, even though RoL was added in at the last minute, is for certain. don't make this mistake. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
ALERT!!! ALERT!!! ALERT!!! ![[image loading]](http://www.titan-ii.com/files/ttitan_ii_launch.jpg) A missile has been launched at Caller's country by RebirthofLegend! General, we are not sure if the warhead is nuclear or not and we won't be sure until it lands. The missile was fired at 08:54 KST! We have 24 hours until it lands on March 25 at 08:54 KST! No one can be lynched with a nuke in the air. Day ends with a lynch. With 22 alive, it is 12 to lynch. L(2) tree.hugger RebirthofLegend Abenson(2) meeple Amber[LighT] Rebirthoflegend(14) Zona haster27 Elemenope Nikon Bill Murray ~OpZ~ Iaaan JeeJee Versatile Abenson Fishball johnnyspazz d3_crescentia iNfuNdiBuLuM Bill Murray(2) Caller nemY Nukes in the air:1 Amount of Nukes detonated:0 Radiation levels - very low Day ends at 08:54 KST at the current time | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
On March 25 2010 12:52 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: I think saying that nuking is anti-town is fucking dumb. The mafia and the town have to avoid nuking because alternate conditions can end the game, and neither side would win. Okay. "The mafia and the town have to avoid nuking because..." and "saying that nuking is anti-town is fucking dumb." Am I the only one to see the contradiction here, in two sentences right next to each other? The town has to avoid nuking, but saying nuking is bad is dumb? In any case the town has gone through the reasoning very thoroughly already, and has come to the conclusion that nuking first is not a good idea for town members. On March 25 2010 12:52 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: What I think is actually about to happen is Caller isn't going to die, at least by my nuke. I think he is mafia and was feigning a weak country (as seen in earlier posts) and the mafia is going to protect him for the night since you can't see who is actually going to do it. I'm glad you're finally posting content. If you end up town, we should probably consider this statement, among the things you have posted. But of course while a town member's views are not tainted by a mafia's intentional lies, they aren't necessarily correct in of themselves. Here's an interesting one: On March 25 2010 12:52 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: just mobbing me for having only 3 fucking posts rofl. So you're saying lynching someone for being inactive is bad. (Actually for the day 1 lynch I would say it's often the best we can do. But let's go with your premise for the moment.) I think Caller would be grandstanding at this point trying to get power and give some good ideas since hes in a precarious position without any PMing. And your case against Caller is that he's...being inactive. Because you expect him otherwise to be really involved by "grandstanding" and so on. And you think so strongly about your case that you think you should nuke him. To summarize: Caller's worth nuking because he was inactive, but you're NOT worth lynching because you were inactive. Sigh. | ||
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Zona
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
On March 25 2010 12:53 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: I didn't play last game. In rare cases do you lynch on stupidity (unless you believe its a mafia feint tactic) They lynched me because I changed the outcome of two votes. within like 3 minutes of the vote ending once, and like a minute late but it was counted once. | ||
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Zona
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I don't want to be presumptuous and somehow insinuate that I should have the last word on the matter. | ||
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johnnyspazz
Taiwan1470 Posts
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
Mod, could you prod meeple? | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
When I started proposing plans and posting, I had hoped that there would be other players who would participate as much as or even more than I have. But for better or worse, I have by far the most posts in the thread. Allow me to flatter myself and claim that at least some of my posts have been useful and beneficial to the town, such as being the first to lay out the importance of not initiating nukes. Usually I look down upon those who publicly ask for medic protection, as I think the ego of such players cause them to overestimate their contributions and importance to the town, but in this game I do think I stand out as a target for the mafia to kill at night, if only to significantly reduce the amount of discussion that takes place in the game. Please consider me as a protection target if you have not already done so. But of course, the final decision is in your hands. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
On March 25 2010 13:18 Zona wrote: Since I'm going through everything again I might as well respond to this as well. A player is allowed to change their mind when a good reason is given. And the reason was given here: Just to respond to this real quick. It wasn't some amazing revelation. You must of clearly thought of the possibility that I was indeed scum or third party, but that adding an extra player for balance sake would most likely be a weak townie since it would have much less of an effect on the game. Since a simple pointing that out statement changed your mind it was just kind of like... like you didn't think of that already? Moment. Seemed like you might of regretted saying it. Maybe I was just thinking about it too much, who knows. --------------------- On March 25 2010 13:18 Zona wrote: Here's an interesting one: So you're saying lynching someone for being inactive is bad. (Actually for the day 1 lynch I would say it's often the best we can do. But let's go with your premise for the moment.) And your case against Caller is that he's...being inactive. Because you expect him otherwise to be really involved by "grandstanding" and so on. And you think so strongly about your case that you think you should nuke him. To summarize: Caller's worth nuking because he was inactive, but you're NOT worth lynching because you were inactive. Sigh. You missed the point, I said why are you lynching me for being inactive on a whim of sorts and I said that the reason caller was suspicious was NOT because of inactivity, but because of the content of his posts and what I would normally expect. He never mentioned being distracted by anything else like school, etc. He was just posting noncontent which is generally considered mafiaish behavior but he usually gets away with it because he is one of the players who works more behind the scenes. The way he is playing coy and innocent is also kind of strange to me. He seems to be trying to pull off indifference to hope that someone saves him/mafia saves him and not become aggressive and start accusing to bring more attention/focus to himself. I think lynching for inactivity is generally an okay idea for Day 1 in normal games that have a bunch of noobs, in games when you deal with harsh inactivity rules and generally "experienced" players chances are you won't see as much "I really don't want to be thought of so I just won't post" mentality and more of the cruising by by saying nothing good/bad mentality. | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
On March 25 2010 13:48 Zona wrote: Hey, if you're a medic, please read this: When I started proposing plans and posting, I had hoped that there would be other players who would participate as much as or even more than I have. But for better or worse, I have by far the most posts in the thread. Allow me to flatter myself and claim that at least some of my posts have been useful and beneficial to the town, such as being the first to lay out the importance of not initiating nukes. Usually I look down upon those who publicly ask for medic protection, as I think the ego of such players cause them to overestimate their contributions and importance to the town, but in this game I do think I stand out as a target for the mafia to kill at night, if only to significantly reduce the amount of discussion that takes place in the game. Please consider me as a protection target if you have not already done so. But of course, the final decision is in your hands. 'Please Vote me MVP' | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
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