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johnnyspazz
Profile Joined April 2009
Taiwan1470 Posts
March 25 2010 03:00 GMT
#541
even if caller turns up mafia, we should lynch RoL for being dumb. he's obviously shown that he has no self control and there's a chance he has more than one nuke. we shouldn't give him the opportunity to launch another one.
also i think if his nuke is a dud, we should lynch him anyway.
"The big difference between sex for money and sex for free is that sex for money usually costs a lot less." -Brendan Behan
Abenson
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada4122 Posts
March 25 2010 03:03 GMT
#542
Regarding the RoL-nuking-Caller situation, I think it best that we let Caller explain his thoughts on the whole thing first. Give him a chance to defend himself and propose why we someone with an anti-nuke should save him. Also, giving him a chance to talk may reveal things later on if he is mafia.
johnnyspazz
Profile Joined April 2009
Taiwan1470 Posts
March 25 2010 03:08 GMT
#543
He's been active in terms of defending L early on in the game, when we were bickering whether or not to kill him day 1

yeah okay one post and im ACTIVELY defending him.

i'm sorry i get easily swayed by other people's ideas.
yes, first i voted for L because hey, he's banned and he's not going to contribute anyway. then nemY convinced me to take my vote off L because its a fact he contributes more to the game than either of us and he will be back posting soon.

my vote for nemY was because only three people had votes on them at the time. nemY, opz, and L. btw i like to remind you it was your friend opz who voted for nemy before me. i actually thought he was useful and contributing so i voted the same person he voted for. note that after nemy, i switched my vote to you.

i wanted to lynch you because you and opz were failing at confirming each other's innocence. by lynching you, it would show opz's alignment. i'm pretty sure you would vote for yourself if you were in my position.

now my current vote on RoL is because he launched a potential nuke and that just invokes chaos and is not a pro-town move.
"The big difference between sex for money and sex for free is that sex for money usually costs a lot less." -Brendan Behan
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
March 25 2010 03:10 GMT
#544
RebirthOfLegend. Awesome player.

Comes into the game without reading and understanding the rules. Without reading the posts. With wrong assumptions left and right. And goes against the plan that everyone other player, so far, has adhered to. And worse - you seem to stop caring about winning (helping your side win) the moment your "life" is in danger by making boneheaded moves. Do you even understand the game? The game is about helping your side win, not surviving. If you somehow live long in the game and your side loses, you still lose.

On March 25 2010 08:57 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I decided I don't feel like wasting 2-3 hours reading around 15 pages just to die especially since I think you can get some more information via nuke.

What a piss poor attitude. You signed up to play, and now you don't feel like reading? What did you sign up to do, anyways? To get your username into the "list of players" then ridiculed for not participating? Do you realize that your posts just before you die are the most important posts you make in a game, since when you die, your alignment is revealed and players can re-examine what you've said knowing who you were?

On March 25 2010 09:13 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I also wasn't posting as much because I didn't fully read the rules yet LOL!

So you didn't POST because you didn't fully read the rules...but you decided to NUKE instead? Is your logic a bit backwards? Worried about screwing up your posts (somehow?) by not understanding the game rather than screwing up the GAME by nuking before comprehending?

And your obnoxious "LOL"'s in place of any hint of shame or regret. Do you think being cute will make up for the fuckup you've caused? Good riddance.
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
March 25 2010 03:11 GMT
#545
On March 25 2010 11:58 Elemenope wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2010 11:57 Zona wrote:
What I suggest is that we as a town place 10 or 11 votes on RoL. Then the moment the nuke is resolved, we can finish the lynch by placing the last 1 or 2 votes, or shift the votes away, in the slim chance that the nuke lands and Caller is mafia.



Just glanced through as I'm about to play more D2 right now, but if the nuke lands, it goes to night with a no lynch if we don't have majority.

If this is true, we need to place a majority vote on RoL before the nuke lands. I will ask Ace.
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
March 25 2010 03:11 GMT
#546
Add Belgium, Germany, Italy, Turkey, and The Netherlands to my previous list (they have shared nukes).

That makes it 14 nations I believe. Plus, Ace will probably throw some nukes to other nations or take some away from these. I'd say that about half of the people have nukes if you look at real world.

I know he said it isn't exactly real world, but I'm imagining he's going to give the big 5 nukes for sure, and a lot of the other ones as well... he's probably using the exact real world, and just telling us he might not be
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Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
March 25 2010 03:12 GMT
#547
On March 25 2010 10:29 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Well I read through the rules again...I'm assuming I can post PM's between me and him...

If you would like this I will post them...Wow...I'm thoroughly appalled by this...

I've asked him prior to him getting voted for to post some content, he hasn't replied...He could of talked it over to me his plans or what not....

-_-

But no sense lynching him anyway, he is townie.


dont post any PMs no matter what ^_^

(reading quickly, I know a nuke has been fired guys but im very busy atm)
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
March 25 2010 03:16 GMT
#548
On March 25 2010 10:46 haster27 wrote:
SInce it is done by PM, I am predicting we will not know until either the nuke lands, or at least until Ace comes back. There is plenty of time for us to make a decision about what to do with that nuke.

I am leaving for today. Hope somehow everything ends up well tomorrow.



I wont tell you how this works because I'm trying to leave it up to the players of this game to use their heads ^_^

What I can tell you is that, and I've answered this in PMs I think is that if an anti-nuke is used even if I get the PM immediately I wont post that it was used. This is to avoid a situation where it would be obvious that someone posting used it.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
March 25 2010 03:22 GMT
#549
On March 25 2010 12:11 Zona wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2010 11:58 Elemenope wrote:
On March 25 2010 11:57 Zona wrote:
What I suggest is that we as a town place 10 or 11 votes on RoL. Then the moment the nuke is resolved, we can finish the lynch by placing the last 1 or 2 votes, or shift the votes away, in the slim chance that the nuke lands and Caller is mafia.



Just glanced through as I'm about to play more D2 right now, but if the nuke lands, it goes to night with a no lynch if we don't have majority.

If this is true, we need to place a majority vote on RoL before the nuke lands. I will ask Ace.

I have confirmation. LMNOP is correct, the vote counts as the nuke falls is final.

Town members - vote for RoL. He has launched a nuke - an anti-town action, and the response must be death. We've gone over the reasoning very thoroughly, please read earlier posts to see how we have decided on this.
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
March 25 2010 03:26 GMT
#550
On March 25 2010 12:03 Abenson wrote:
Regarding the RoL-nuking-Caller situation, I think it best that we let Caller explain his thoughts on the whole thing first. Give him a chance to defend himself and propose why we someone with an anti-nuke should save him. Also, giving him a chance to talk may reveal things later on if he is mafia.


He already explained his thoughts. Well, sort of.

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Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
March 25 2010 03:26 GMT
#551
Also, something I think I better clarify!

Nukes prolong the day 24hours, as in MAX 24 hours till it drops. If you anti-nuke it, the day goes back to "normal". Hence if we already passed the original 48 hours, and you anti-nuked the nuke then once its done, we go to night. Remember I said you guys should really THINK about the rules and the powers in your roles. There are many ways to bend this game to your favor depending on what powers you have. With that being said, if you used an anti-nuke well before the original day deadline was close I'd shoot the nuke down to give you enough to time to do what you need.



Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
March 25 2010 03:27 GMT
#552
BM, I appreciate the effort you are putting into considering the country distribution, but I don't think it has any bearing on the game as of now. I actually went through the map ACE posted (it's from an alarmist website) and started to identify the non-red countries in case there was any useful information (greenland, peru, chile, uruguay, ecuador, columbia, panama, venezuela, guyanana, suriname, french guiana, cuba, morroco, benegal, niger, ghana, etc.) then stopped as I realized with so many countries in both the red and white groups, it probably wasn't useful information and shelved that idea.
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
March 25 2010 03:29 GMT
#553
On March 25 2010 12:26 Ace wrote:
If you anti-nuke it, the day goes back to "normal". Hence if we already passed the original 48 hours, and you anti-nuked the nuke then once its done, we go to night.


We need to get a majority vote on RoL as soon as possible, in case an anti-nuke is launched! If an anti-nuke is launched the day may end earlier than the 24 hour extension we expect to get, and if we don't have a majority vote, we will end up no lynching!
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
March 25 2010 03:33 GMT
#554
Also I will put up a nuke post right after 12am ET, I'm helping some chick with her math homework online. If she doesn't show me her panties I will nuke her. If she does show me them I will post them if Fishball dies.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
March 25 2010 03:34 GMT
#555
On March 25 2010 11:57 Zona wrote:
Wow. You're a star, RoL. You're a real star. But more on that later.

I think we as a town have two options. One: anti-nuke, and lynch RoL. Alternatively: let the nuke fall on Caller as some have suggested, and lynch RoL if Caller is not mafia.

Option one is what we've been discussing all game, and the reasoning for taking this path is well established.

Why does the alternative option have some merit to make it worth considering? Well it centers on the fact that Caller hasn't really contributed, despite being a veteran mod and player. Now that the nuke is already in the air, if you subscribe to my earlier idea that we should be stingy with anti-nukes to have some going to the late-game, we need to think twice before using them. Caller does claim to plan to participate more later, but it's a claim we cannot prove or disprove during the time to make the decision to anti-nuke. If the nuke lands and by some tiny chance Caller is mafia, then RoL is actually okay. He somehow got rid of a mafia for us, even if it was against everything the town has established together in its ground rules. If Caller is revealed as town-aligned OR EVEN THIRD PARTY, then RoL is lynched. Lynch RoL even if Caller is third party because mafia could have easily targeted their nuke at anyone not on their team and just happened to hit third party.

But in any case, this is not something we can vote on, since anti-nukes are used privately. We can't hold anti-nuke users accountable in public, so basically all our discussion takes place so those who actually have anti-nukes can read it and make their decision. So those WITH anti-nukes, consider what has been said in the thread and make your decision.

What I suggest is that we as a town place 10 or 11 votes on RoL. Then the moment the nuke is resolved, we can finish the lynch by placing the last 1 or 2 votes, or shift the votes away, in the slim chance that the nuke lands and Caller is mafia.

Just to point this out, even if Caller flips red I am still not proven innocent.
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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
March 25 2010 03:34 GMT
#556
On March 25 2010 12:33 Ace wrote:
if Fishball dies.

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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
March 25 2010 03:36 GMT
#557
On March 25 2010 12:29 Zona wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2010 12:26 Ace wrote:
If you anti-nuke it, the day goes back to "normal". Hence if we already passed the original 48 hours, and you anti-nuked the nuke then once its done, we go to night.


We need to get a majority vote on RoL as soon as possible, in case an anti-nuke is launched! If an anti-nuke is launched the day may end earlier than the 24 hour extension we expect to get, and if we don't have a majority vote, we will end up no lynching!


Are you saying you're in a position to be able to make use of the extra 24 hours?
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RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
March 25 2010 03:37 GMT
#558
On March 25 2010 12:00 johnnyspazz wrote:
even if caller turns up mafia, we should lynch RoL for being dumb. he's obviously shown that he has no self control and there's a chance he has more than one nuke. we shouldn't give him the opportunity to launch another one.
also i think if his nuke is a dud, we should lynch him anyway.

Last time I checked lynching for stupidity was a nono.
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johnnyspazz
Profile Joined April 2009
Taiwan1470 Posts
March 25 2010 03:38 GMT
#559
yeah i have no idea why people like xelin are abstaining. no matter how innocent RoL might be, we can't excuse play that's anti-town. i'm using the FoS on Xelin because i think he's just trying to skate under the radar by abstaining.
"The big difference between sex for money and sex for free is that sex for money usually costs a lot less." -Brendan Behan
johnnyspazz
Profile Joined April 2009
Taiwan1470 Posts
March 25 2010 03:39 GMT
#560
On March 25 2010 12:37 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2010 12:00 johnnyspazz wrote:
even if caller turns up mafia, we should lynch RoL for being dumb. he's obviously shown that he has no self control and there's a chance he has more than one nuke. we shouldn't give him the opportunity to launch another one.
also i think if his nuke is a dud, we should lynch him anyway.

Last time I checked lynching for stupidity was a nono.

last time i checked, that was the whole premise on why we lynched BM last game
"The big difference between sex for money and sex for free is that sex for money usually costs a lot less." -Brendan Behan
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