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BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
March 17 2010 04:34 GMT
#1121
On March 17 2010 13:31 d3_crescentia wrote:
Dear town, please don't waste a lynch on me. I don't mind being killed by mafia, but I would be very sad if you wasted your lynches on me.

There's something not right about Xelin right now. What bothers me isn't his inconsistent behavior in this single game... but in that apparently he feels much, much better about his mafia-detection in this game, enough that he would run himself on a platform in the early game. The fact that he defends BM is irrelevant to me - BM plays so ridiculously that he could be anything. It's not enough to make me think, "yes, Xelin is as RED as cherry pie" but obviously if the town decides to lynch him and prove me wrong I won't say a word. I think the case with Iaaan is similar - he wouldn't be trying retarded PM-traps unless he was town. Then again we can lynch him too and see what happens.

I think Foolishness is a much stronger candidate to lynch, given he hasn't really said anything in recent memory and could very well be GF. I'm also wondering about Nemy, who's been relatively silent throughout the game as well. l10f is a pretty bad choice for lynch, because as far as I know ALL of the games he's played in he's stayed on the down-low, even when he was blue/green. The time to root out inactives is now, yes - but we've got to pick the right ones.

Incog, have you explained WHY you switched sidesprang and L? That's the part that bothers me the most at this point, because while your abilities aren't in question your alignment still is. At this point I'm thinking it might even be beneficial for a mafia-aligned Bus to perform some pro-town actions in the beginning.



We swapped sidesprang and L for a few reasons.

Sidesprang we felt was semi fishy for day 1. He is also a player that if he was green and died we could most likely live without. The bus would save L from any night hits to give him a chance to lay his bombs.

Seriously, that move is self expainatory.

He could still be the mafia bus driver, but with this much pressure on himself, hes more likely to just get offed with every other bus driver.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
March 17 2010 04:36 GMT
#1122
On March 17 2010 13:34 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2010 13:31 d3_crescentia wrote:
Dear town, please don't waste a lynch on me. I don't mind being killed by mafia, but I would be very sad if you wasted your lynches on me.

There's something not right about Xelin right now. What bothers me isn't his inconsistent behavior in this single game... but in that apparently he feels much, much better about his mafia-detection in this game, enough that he would run himself on a platform in the early game. The fact that he defends BM is irrelevant to me - BM plays so ridiculously that he could be anything. It's not enough to make me think, "yes, Xelin is as RED as cherry pie" but obviously if the town decides to lynch him and prove me wrong I won't say a word. I think the case with Iaaan is similar - he wouldn't be trying retarded PM-traps unless he was town. Then again we can lynch him too and see what happens.

I think Foolishness is a much stronger candidate to lynch, given he hasn't really said anything in recent memory and could very well be GF. I'm also wondering about Nemy, who's been relatively silent throughout the game as well. l10f is a pretty bad choice for lynch, because as far as I know ALL of the games he's played in he's stayed on the down-low, even when he was blue/green. The time to root out inactives is now, yes - but we've got to pick the right ones.

Incog, have you explained WHY you switched sidesprang and L? That's the part that bothers me the most at this point, because while your abilities aren't in question your alignment still is. At this point I'm thinking it might even be beneficial for a mafia-aligned Bus to perform some pro-town actions in the beginning.



We swapped sidesprang and L for a few reasons.

Sidesprang we felt was semi fishy for day 1. He is also a player that if he was green and died we could most likely live without. The bus would save L from any night hits to give him a chance to lay his bombs.

Seriously, that move is self expainatory.

He could still be the mafia bus driver, but with this much pressure on himself, hes more likely to just get offed with every other bus driver.


LOL - wait, wait, so it's "we" - even before you were confirmed to each other? Really, this was a joint decision? Now we're getting somewhere :-)
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
March 17 2010 04:37 GMT
#1123
On March 17 2010 13:36 citi.zen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2010 13:34 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On March 17 2010 13:31 d3_crescentia wrote:
Dear town, please don't waste a lynch on me. I don't mind being killed by mafia, but I would be very sad if you wasted your lynches on me.

There's something not right about Xelin right now. What bothers me isn't his inconsistent behavior in this single game... but in that apparently he feels much, much better about his mafia-detection in this game, enough that he would run himself on a platform in the early game. The fact that he defends BM is irrelevant to me - BM plays so ridiculously that he could be anything. It's not enough to make me think, "yes, Xelin is as RED as cherry pie" but obviously if the town decides to lynch him and prove me wrong I won't say a word. I think the case with Iaaan is similar - he wouldn't be trying retarded PM-traps unless he was town. Then again we can lynch him too and see what happens.

I think Foolishness is a much stronger candidate to lynch, given he hasn't really said anything in recent memory and could very well be GF. I'm also wondering about Nemy, who's been relatively silent throughout the game as well. l10f is a pretty bad choice for lynch, because as far as I know ALL of the games he's played in he's stayed on the down-low, even when he was blue/green. The time to root out inactives is now, yes - but we've got to pick the right ones.

Incog, have you explained WHY you switched sidesprang and L? That's the part that bothers me the most at this point, because while your abilities aren't in question your alignment still is. At this point I'm thinking it might even be beneficial for a mafia-aligned Bus to perform some pro-town actions in the beginning.



We swapped sidesprang and L for a few reasons.

Sidesprang we felt was semi fishy for day 1. He is also a player that if he was green and died we could most likely live without. The bus would save L from any night hits to give him a chance to lay his bombs.

Seriously, that move is self expainatory.

He could still be the mafia bus driver, but with this much pressure on himself, hes more likely to just get offed with every other bus driver.


LOL - wait, wait, so it's "we" - even before you were confirmed to each other? Really, this was a joint decision? Now we're getting somewhere :-)


Roleclaim your role as you just claimed blue/red, and I claimed to incog before running for election.

Or shall you be on the chopping block next
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
March 17 2010 04:39 GMT
#1124
On March 17 2010 13:37 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2010 13:36 citi.zen wrote:
On March 17 2010 13:34 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On March 17 2010 13:31 d3_crescentia wrote:
Dear town, please don't waste a lynch on me. I don't mind being killed by mafia, but I would be very sad if you wasted your lynches on me.

There's something not right about Xelin right now. What bothers me isn't his inconsistent behavior in this single game... but in that apparently he feels much, much better about his mafia-detection in this game, enough that he would run himself on a platform in the early game. The fact that he defends BM is irrelevant to me - BM plays so ridiculously that he could be anything. It's not enough to make me think, "yes, Xelin is as RED as cherry pie" but obviously if the town decides to lynch him and prove me wrong I won't say a word. I think the case with Iaaan is similar - he wouldn't be trying retarded PM-traps unless he was town. Then again we can lynch him too and see what happens.

I think Foolishness is a much stronger candidate to lynch, given he hasn't really said anything in recent memory and could very well be GF. I'm also wondering about Nemy, who's been relatively silent throughout the game as well. l10f is a pretty bad choice for lynch, because as far as I know ALL of the games he's played in he's stayed on the down-low, even when he was blue/green. The time to root out inactives is now, yes - but we've got to pick the right ones.

Incog, have you explained WHY you switched sidesprang and L? That's the part that bothers me the most at this point, because while your abilities aren't in question your alignment still is. At this point I'm thinking it might even be beneficial for a mafia-aligned Bus to perform some pro-town actions in the beginning.



We swapped sidesprang and L for a few reasons.

Sidesprang we felt was semi fishy for day 1. He is also a player that if he was green and died we could most likely live without. The bus would save L from any night hits to give him a chance to lay his bombs.

Seriously, that move is self expainatory.

He could still be the mafia bus driver, but with this much pressure on himself, hes more likely to just get offed with every other bus driver.


LOL - wait, wait, so it's "we" - even before you were confirmed to each other? Really, this was a joint decision? Now we're getting somewhere :-)


Roleclaim your role as you just claimed blue/red, and I claimed to incog before running for election.

Or shall you be on the chopping block next


Way to ignore my question.
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
March 17 2010 04:40 GMT
#1125
On March 17 2010 13:39 citi.zen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2010 13:37 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On March 17 2010 13:36 citi.zen wrote:
On March 17 2010 13:34 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On March 17 2010 13:31 d3_crescentia wrote:
Dear town, please don't waste a lynch on me. I don't mind being killed by mafia, but I would be very sad if you wasted your lynches on me.

There's something not right about Xelin right now. What bothers me isn't his inconsistent behavior in this single game... but in that apparently he feels much, much better about his mafia-detection in this game, enough that he would run himself on a platform in the early game. The fact that he defends BM is irrelevant to me - BM plays so ridiculously that he could be anything. It's not enough to make me think, "yes, Xelin is as RED as cherry pie" but obviously if the town decides to lynch him and prove me wrong I won't say a word. I think the case with Iaaan is similar - he wouldn't be trying retarded PM-traps unless he was town. Then again we can lynch him too and see what happens.

I think Foolishness is a much stronger candidate to lynch, given he hasn't really said anything in recent memory and could very well be GF. I'm also wondering about Nemy, who's been relatively silent throughout the game as well. l10f is a pretty bad choice for lynch, because as far as I know ALL of the games he's played in he's stayed on the down-low, even when he was blue/green. The time to root out inactives is now, yes - but we've got to pick the right ones.

Incog, have you explained WHY you switched sidesprang and L? That's the part that bothers me the most at this point, because while your abilities aren't in question your alignment still is. At this point I'm thinking it might even be beneficial for a mafia-aligned Bus to perform some pro-town actions in the beginning.



We swapped sidesprang and L for a few reasons.

Sidesprang we felt was semi fishy for day 1. He is also a player that if he was green and died we could most likely live without. The bus would save L from any night hits to give him a chance to lay his bombs.

Seriously, that move is self expainatory.

He could still be the mafia bus driver, but with this much pressure on himself, hes more likely to just get offed with every other bus driver.


LOL - wait, wait, so it's "we" - even before you were confirmed to each other? Really, this was a joint decision? Now we're getting somewhere :-)


Roleclaim your role as you just claimed blue/red, and I claimed to incog before running for election.

Or shall you be on the chopping block next


Way to ignore my question.


actually it was answered. GJ on reading.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
March 17 2010 04:40 GMT
#1126
Also, stop dodging yourself. You've ducked it twice now.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
March 17 2010 04:42 GMT
#1127
I did not dodge anything. I made a simple statement, which I stand by. I hope the rest of the town paid attention, that is all.
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
March 17 2010 04:45 GMT
#1128
On March 17 2010 13:42 citi.zen wrote:
I did not dodge anything. I made a simple statement, which I stand by. I hope the rest of the town paid attention, that is all.


You soft claimed as a way to counter kill a confirmed blue. You didnt say "hey if i flip green, disregard post" you specifically outlined that you were red or blue. That itself implies role, IE GF, mafia, and as we have 5 cleared blues (yes alignment on BD's cannot be confirmed) it seems highly unlikely however, that there are many more.

Haven't figured out which blue to claim yet that wont lead in your lynch hmm?
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
March 17 2010 04:46 GMT
#1129
On March 17 2010 13:37 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2010 13:36 citi.zen wrote:
On March 17 2010 13:34 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On March 17 2010 13:31 d3_crescentia wrote:
Dear town, please don't waste a lynch on me. I don't mind being killed by mafia, but I would be very sad if you wasted your lynches on me.

There's something not right about Xelin right now. What bothers me isn't his inconsistent behavior in this single game... but in that apparently he feels much, much better about his mafia-detection in this game, enough that he would run himself on a platform in the early game. The fact that he defends BM is irrelevant to me - BM plays so ridiculously that he could be anything. It's not enough to make me think, "yes, Xelin is as RED as cherry pie" but obviously if the town decides to lynch him and prove me wrong I won't say a word. I think the case with Iaaan is similar - he wouldn't be trying retarded PM-traps unless he was town. Then again we can lynch him too and see what happens.

I think Foolishness is a much stronger candidate to lynch, given he hasn't really said anything in recent memory and could very well be GF. I'm also wondering about Nemy, who's been relatively silent throughout the game as well. l10f is a pretty bad choice for lynch, because as far as I know ALL of the games he's played in he's stayed on the down-low, even when he was blue/green. The time to root out inactives is now, yes - but we've got to pick the right ones.

Incog, have you explained WHY you switched sidesprang and L? That's the part that bothers me the most at this point, because while your abilities aren't in question your alignment still is. At this point I'm thinking it might even be beneficial for a mafia-aligned Bus to perform some pro-town actions in the beginning.



We swapped sidesprang and L for a few reasons.

Sidesprang we felt was semi fishy for day 1. He is also a player that if he was green and died we could most likely live without. The bus would save L from any night hits to give him a chance to lay his bombs.

Seriously, that move is self expainatory.

He could still be the mafia bus driver, but with this much pressure on himself, hes more likely to just get offed with every other bus driver.


LOL - wait, wait, so it's "we" - even before you were confirmed to each other? Really, this was a joint decision? Now we're getting somewhere :-)


Roleclaim your role as you just claimed blue/red, and I claimed to incog before running for election.

Or shall you be on the chopping block next

Also, please do put me on the chopping block next. I think it would be very beneficial to the town either way: there's a great chance I've gone crazy with conspiracy theories, but i could also be right about Incognito. Either way things would move on much smoother.
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
d3_crescentia
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4054 Posts
March 17 2010 04:47 GMT
#1130
On March 17 2010 13:34 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2010 13:31 d3_crescentia wrote:
Dear town, please don't waste a lynch on me. I don't mind being killed by mafia, but I would be very sad if you wasted your lynches on me.

There's something not right about Xelin right now. What bothers me isn't his inconsistent behavior in this single game... but in that apparently he feels much, much better about his mafia-detection in this game, enough that he would run himself on a platform in the early game. The fact that he defends BM is irrelevant to me - BM plays so ridiculously that he could be anything. It's not enough to make me think, "yes, Xelin is as RED as cherry pie" but obviously if the town decides to lynch him and prove me wrong I won't say a word. I think the case with Iaaan is similar - he wouldn't be trying retarded PM-traps unless he was town. Then again we can lynch him too and see what happens.

I think Foolishness is a much stronger candidate to lynch, given he hasn't really said anything in recent memory and could very well be GF. I'm also wondering about Nemy, who's been relatively silent throughout the game as well. l10f is a pretty bad choice for lynch, because as far as I know ALL of the games he's played in he's stayed on the down-low, even when he was blue/green. The time to root out inactives is now, yes - but we've got to pick the right ones.

Incog, have you explained WHY you switched sidesprang and L? That's the part that bothers me the most at this point, because while your abilities aren't in question your alignment still is. At this point I'm thinking it might even be beneficial for a mafia-aligned Bus to perform some pro-town actions in the beginning.



We swapped sidesprang and L for a few reasons.

Sidesprang we felt was semi fishy for day 1. He is also a player that if he was green and died we could most likely live without. The bus would save L from any night hits to give him a chance to lay his bombs.

Seriously, that move is self expainatory.

He could still be the mafia bus driver, but with this much pressure on himself, hes more likely to just get offed with every other bus driver.

So somehow you all just magically knew that the other two were blue? That's what bothers me.

I'm surprised the mafia wouldn't run any of their own, unless they KNEW how powerful DTs could be in office, and thus would rather have them in than out, and hope to stack hits on BGs so they can eliminate the offices. But it seems odd so far that they'd waste hits on Vivi and Fulgrim before moving onto BGs. This either suggests to me an inactive/disorganized/noob mafia. In this respect Xelin and Iaaan come to mind, with Xelin being the stronger suspect. I still feel that Iaaan is being very much Iaaan, but if he is mafia bus driver he'll be ineffectual unless he gets his hands on some private information.

Here's where I'm going to trust the counsel of our wise town leaders and vote for BM despite my doubts. I'm of the belief that he's consistently inconsistent with his reasoning, but I don't see any better analysis out there.
once, not long ago, there was a moon here
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
March 17 2010 04:52 GMT
#1131
On March 17 2010 13:47 d3_crescentia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2010 13:34 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On March 17 2010 13:31 d3_crescentia wrote:
Dear town, please don't waste a lynch on me. I don't mind being killed by mafia, but I would be very sad if you wasted your lynches on me.

There's something not right about Xelin right now. What bothers me isn't his inconsistent behavior in this single game... but in that apparently he feels much, much better about his mafia-detection in this game, enough that he would run himself on a platform in the early game. The fact that he defends BM is irrelevant to me - BM plays so ridiculously that he could be anything. It's not enough to make me think, "yes, Xelin is as RED as cherry pie" but obviously if the town decides to lynch him and prove me wrong I won't say a word. I think the case with Iaaan is similar - he wouldn't be trying retarded PM-traps unless he was town. Then again we can lynch him too and see what happens.

I think Foolishness is a much stronger candidate to lynch, given he hasn't really said anything in recent memory and could very well be GF. I'm also wondering about Nemy, who's been relatively silent throughout the game as well. l10f is a pretty bad choice for lynch, because as far as I know ALL of the games he's played in he's stayed on the down-low, even when he was blue/green. The time to root out inactives is now, yes - but we've got to pick the right ones.

Incog, have you explained WHY you switched sidesprang and L? That's the part that bothers me the most at this point, because while your abilities aren't in question your alignment still is. At this point I'm thinking it might even be beneficial for a mafia-aligned Bus to perform some pro-town actions in the beginning.



We swapped sidesprang and L for a few reasons.

Sidesprang we felt was semi fishy for day 1. He is also a player that if he was green and died we could most likely live without. The bus would save L from any night hits to give him a chance to lay his bombs.

Seriously, that move is self expainatory.

He could still be the mafia bus driver, but with this much pressure on himself, hes more likely to just get offed with every other bus driver.

So somehow you all just magically knew that the other two were blue? That's what bothers me.

I'm surprised the mafia wouldn't run any of their own, unless they KNEW how powerful DTs could be in office, and thus would rather have them in than out, and hope to stack hits on BGs so they can eliminate the offices. But it seems odd so far that they'd waste hits on Vivi and Fulgrim before moving onto BGs. This either suggests to me an inactive/disorganized/noob mafia. In this respect Xelin and Iaaan come to mind, with Xelin being the stronger suspect. I still feel that Iaaan is being very much Iaaan, but if he is mafia bus driver he'll be ineffectual unless he gets his hands on some private information.

Here's where I'm going to trust the counsel of our wise town leaders and vote for BM despite my doubts. I'm of the belief that he's consistently inconsistent with his reasoning, but I don't see any better analysis out there.

Keep in mind the "we chose sidersprang" bit took place before the "mutual confirmation" story. Then the "other DT" also happened to choose sidersprang, of all people.
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
March 17 2010 04:54 GMT
#1132
Also, the "other DT" who happened to choose sidersprang, then did not go to L, whom he supposedly checked, but instead chose Incognito to reveal himself to.
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
XeliN
Profile Joined June 2009
United Kingdom1755 Posts
March 17 2010 05:09 GMT
#1133
You guys are idiots, im a plain Townie, it would be a waste of a lynch when i flip green. going to sleep but now.
Adonai bless
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
March 17 2010 05:21 GMT
#1134
On March 17 2010 14:09 XeliN wrote:
You guys are idiots, im a plain Townie, it would be a waste of a lynch when i flip green. going to sleep but now.


my exact defense... i wonder why he's using it. oh, because i'm green too... i wonder what that makes him.
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
nemY
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States3119 Posts
March 17 2010 05:22 GMT
#1135
sometimes this game is too much for me to handle :/

That being said I think XeliN and BM are prime candidates for lynch; they're defenses the entire game have been "I'M PLAIN GREEN TOWNIES". That's not a valid defense in my book.
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
March 17 2010 05:22 GMT
#1136
I am seriously considering doing something to get modkilled so that the town doesn't waste a lynch.
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
d3_crescentia
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4054 Posts
March 17 2010 05:22 GMT
#1137
On March 17 2010 13:54 citi.zen wrote:
Also, the "other DT" who happened to choose sidersprang, then did not go to L, whom he supposedly checked, but instead chose Incognito to reveal himself to.

So connect the dots for me here, citizen - what is it that you're exactly trying to say? That there's still something fishy going on? Or are you going to make an actual accusation and lead with your votes? We don't have a better story to believe, so it just seems like you're kicking shit around without actually saying anything.
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nemY
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States3119 Posts
March 17 2010 05:24 GMT
#1138
On March 17 2010 14:22 Bill Murray wrote:
I am seriously considering doing something to get modkilled so that the town doesn't waste a lynch.


and get banned from future mafia games? I doubt it.
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
March 17 2010 05:25 GMT
#1139
On March 17 2010 14:22 Bill Murray wrote:
I am seriously considering doing something to get modkilled so that the town doesn't waste a lynch.


No strategic modkills, I thought this was made clear. Tritely speaking, dire consequences await.
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
March 17 2010 05:25 GMT
#1140
The fact that more than 5 people are hopping on my bandwagon is proving to me that the mafia are dilluting your guys' brains and collective ability to think for yourself. Being green, I have no way to prove my innocence. Bein' DT I'd say "INCOGNITO IS RED" but I'm not so I don't have any abilities to do anything of the sort. How about you actually rolecheck me? if there are 2 bloody detectives why not wait until you can be sure of what color I am? This is terrible to waste. If L really is the hatter why don't we go ahead and lynch him and kill the 2 reds he has bombs on?

Then at night you can rolecheck me... and i'll be green... and you all can be like "oh, he really doesn't lie."

Go look at the game I was detective. I didn't once claim to be green. I claimed to be "town aligned".

Go look at the game I was green. I claimed to be green.

Go look at the game I was red... oh wait, I haven't ever been red in my life including this game, so you can't find any reference of me EVER being mafia, and if you say you can you're a liar.
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