TL Mafia XX - Page 56

On March 17 2010 12:57 Bill Murray wrote:
I feel like you all should keep me around based upon my alignment, my activity, and my ability to catch reds.

First, I am green. You can not be sure of this, but I am. I promise to not ever play another mafia game with you all if I am not green or black this game. I am yearning for a town win. I am comforted by incognito promising that the officials have their acts together. I have put heat on people that are red. I do not see how that I am even being considered for a lynch target.

I am a very active participant in the thread. There are many people with posts that you could count on your hands. I have had more than that on one page of the thread. Now, I'm not saying that my spamming is good, and starting with this post I'm going to attempt to begin consolidating my posting style again, like I tried to at the beginning of this thread, but if you'll notice in the thread it has shifted more towards course of action as opposed to FoS and putting heat on people. I feel like that my posting shifts with the current mood of the thread. The better the people are posting, and the more information they are giving out, the more I will take the game seriously and post like a champion.

I feel like that in a late game scenario, in which I am green, there is 1 red, and there is 1 medic, I will vote correctly a better percent of the time than almost anyone. I have a great instinct and intuition for scummy behavior over time. I am a great judge of people's character over time. The more information I have about people, the better I can do in relation to analyzing their thought process and their overall alignment. This requires time, and that requires me to live.

Think about what you all are doing. You are really arbitrarily wasting a lynch. There are 17 better candidates in my eyes, as I am the only person I am sure of.

On March 17 2010 13:05 Versatile wrote:
as far as inactive mafia, I10f and d3 are good targets, imo.

On March 17 2010 13:00 citi.zen wrote:

The problem is Incognito, you keep making very obviously bad arguments. Coming from you this is confusing. Perhaps it's fine from L, but not you.

Here's why what you say above is wrong: as a mafia-aligned bus driver, your real power right now would not be busing people around, it would be information and access to a trusted circle.

I am seriously tempted to say that lynching one of you is the best move, just to confirm the color before we go forward. Especially if L goes back to obnoxious shit like this:

On March 17 2010 13:05 Bill Murray wrote:
xelin is green just like i am, that's what i bloody think.

On March 17 2010 13:07 Incognito wrote:


Quit talking about how you're so good at finding the mafia. Go find them. Like L said previously in response to ~OpZ~'s long defense posts, defending yourself doesn't do that much good unless you have a solid case. Sadly, you don't. So instead of trying to defend yourself, start generating some content. That makes us way more likely to not lynch you than if you just sit here spamming "IM GREEN" all day.

On March 17 2010 13:00 citi.zen wrote:

The problem is Incognito, you keep making very obviously bad arguments. Coming from you this is confusing. Perhaps it's fine from L, but not you.

Here's why what you say above is wrong: as a mafia-aligned bus driver, your real power right now would not be busing people around, it would be information and access to a trusted circle.

I am seriously tempted to say that lynching one of you is the best move, just to confirm the color before we go forward. Especially if L goes back to obnoxious shit like this:

On March 17 2010 13:15 johnnyspazz wrote:
perhaps we should lynch L and see if bombs explode

On March 17 2010 13:11 Bill Murray wrote:



I have the best defense in the world.
I'm green.
You want to put your head up for execution when I flip green? No? I wonder why. Because you know I'm town aligned.

On March 17 2010 13:14 L wrote:
Please fucking ignore him incog. Its pretty obvious that he's guilty as shit.

Focus on important matters; If you trust me, Its claim time.

DTs: Night check information from night 2 please.

Bus Drivers and Medics: I can understand you guys being afraid, so I won't be dropping the hateraid on you if you don't claim, but we need to co-ordinate protection for the next night. Its REALLY FUCKING IMPORTANT. So give me a shout if you think I'm legit, which you probably should if you've read this thread for long enough.

On March 17 2010 13:22 citi.zen wrote:

L, how about this: lynch me today.

If I turn red... good riddance, you get to move on.

If I turn blue, the town the uses the 2x lynch on you and Incognito. He is the un-confirmable bus driver who already used his powers anyway, and you supposedly wanted to be blown up anyway to kill your great targets and help the town.

I don't mind being lynched one bit if it helps the town confirm both of you. On your end, this is the 3rd time you call me red. Back your shit up and vote for my lynching.

On March 17 2010 13:22 citi.zen wrote:

L, how about this: lynch me today.

If I turn red... good riddance, you get to move on.

If I turn blue, the town the uses the 2x lynch on you and Incognito. He is the un-confirmable bus driver who already used his powers anyway, and you supposedly wanted to be blown up anyway to kill your great targets and help the town.

I don't mind being lynched one bit if it helps the town confirm both of you. On your end, this is the 3rd time you call me red. Back your shit up and vote for my lynching.

On March 17 2010 13:14 citi.zen wrote:


Still can't understand why the "other DT" would trust Incognito, the un-confirmable bus driver, over L, who he got to personally check.

Another thing too: Ace dropped from this game because he thought it was too town-imbalanced with ONE DT in office, given the two body-guards, medics and unlimited checks. Now we're told there are TWO DTs and a town-allied bus driver? Why would Flamewheel do that? It makes no sense to me.

Sorry to keep harping on this, but if Incognito (or, as a remote possibility, all 3 of you) are red, we're screwed.

Of course, if you're all true-blue all's great. I'd love to be able to believe that, but I can't do it yet.

On March 17 2010 13:10 Incognito wrote:


Can you point out my "obviously bad arguments"? I might be able to explain them.

Has anyone important died? No. Well, not besides Zona. But that would kinda be expected from the mafia, no? Either way, as a mafia, I'd be way more inclined to just silence the people who roleclaim to me with bullets instead of trying to goad them, waste my powers, AND telling this all to the town.

On March 13 2010 10:52 Zona wrote:
Why are you dictating a list for the DT's and Medics? Do you have any reasons for the people you've chosen?

Let the DTs and medics choose for themselves. If you post a public list, and the DTs and medics actually follow it, the mafia bus driver can effectively screw with the town without even needing to find his/her fellow mafia members in order to coordinate. I think these lists are not a helpful idea for the town.

It also irks me that you've declared your idea to be final without thinking through the differences in the mechanics in this game. Or perhaps you have, but decided to hold such things back and post the flawed argument nonetheless.
Yuck.


Also, what the heck is this:
Why are you simply naming the other reputable players in the game? "Good enough to be mafia"? How does being "good" have any relation to their chance of being mafia in a game with randomly distributed roles? And being quiet isn't automatically a mafia tell. Maybe they just want to try a different style this game.

Finally, did you put a serious effort into your election campaign beyond the initial posts?



nemY is absolutely right in this case. First of all the GF role only has a purpose if the DT is still around, so if you lose the DT, the GF is just another mafia member. Secondly, and I'm probably reiterating things that everyone knows, the power of the DT is not only to identify mafia but to privately or publicly confirm town members for various uses. (Private trust-worthy discussions, for example.) And so trading the DT for a single mafia member is not ideal.


I'm surprised that this early in the game I'm making a post of this size focused on just one of our players, but those three statements are truly bad ideas that do not help the town. Whether they were things you truly overlooked while formulating your ideas or are intentional actions, the town will have to examine what plans you propose very carefully.


P.S. Everyone who's using red and blue and whatever colors to strengthen your posts - please don't. The colors themselves do not contribute anything whatsoever to your reasoning, and instead (at least to me) shows that you don't have enough confidence in your arguments alone and have to rely on gimmicks to reinforce them.

On March 16 2010 07:44 Zona wrote:
Damn there's a lot to catch up on. I'm going to respond to bits and pieces as I read them, so prepare for quite a few posts.

Do not pardon anyone. (I'm still catching up on posts and haven't decided whether or not he feels innocent.) Even if he is innocent and dies, we need that information as town. If you pardon, we have no idea whether or not he is innocent, and we cannot use that information to evaluate how people were discussing him. Even a town member being lynched provides more information than we had before, and we need this information.

To be honest I think the existence of a pardoner is not helpful to the town because pardoning itself is rarely beneficial, and is downright dangerous in the hands of a mafia pardoner late game, but that's a discussion for elsewhere, I suppose.

On March 17 2010 13:22 citi.zen wrote:

L, how about this: lynch me today.

If I turn red... good riddance, you get to move on.

If I turn blue, the town the uses the 2x lynch on you and Incognito. He is the un-confirmable bus driver who already used his powers anyway, and you supposedly wanted to be blown up anyway to kill your great targets and help the town.

I don't mind being lynched one bit if it helps the town confirm both of you. On your end, this is the 3rd time you call me red. Back your shit up and vote for my lynching.

On March 17 2010 13:24 L wrote:

Citi.zen, how about this: We lynch BM today. If he dies and flips green I'll put a bomb on you and when I die you'll die regardless.

K?

K.

Thanks.