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Qatol
United States3165 Posts
On April 16 2011 15:57 BrownBear wrote: I missed this due to the events of last night, but Milkyst failed to post or vote on day 2. Modkill for him, 1 game ban (although I honestly doubt he'll be back). Are those the only 2 people you're asking for a ban for? I know you have replaced out a lot of people. | ||
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
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Qatol
United States3165 Posts
On April 19 2011 01:33 BrownBear wrote: Robellicose and M0nsterchef were modkilled for failure to vote in XXXVIII. Slowpoke.  I already noticed last night! | ||
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
My thoughts on the Coagulation situation: I gave him multiple warnings (I can look them up for you if you want), telling him to be less aggressive, flame less, etc... basically play the game in a far more mature manner. Then, after GMarshal's accidental lynching, when the mafia team was ready to quit, Meapak told Coag to "fight it, make shit up" and "take the heat off your team". The line Meapak used, "be an ass" was probably horrible advice, considering I had told Coag in an earlier ingame post "if you flame anyone else excessively it will be a modkill". However, it was his choice to decide to shit up the thread and be an ass to several people, particularly the new players. Thus, I modkilled him. I'd had enough of his shitting all over the thread, and I stand by my decision. I'm not trying to lay any blame on Meapak - he had a minor lapse of judgement in telling Coag to spam the thread, but in the end, he's the cohost, I'm the host. If he says things that go against something I said earlier, I feel like my decision should usually stand (obviously, I'm not trying to be some kind of totalitarian dictator here, but you understand what I mean). In addition, after the fact I heard from Qatol and some of the other mafia players that Coag had been extremely aggressive, insulting, and demeaning to a lot of his teammates, particularly the new players. This really annoys me for a lot of reasons - we want new players to enjoy their time and come back to play, and when an established member is making their lives playing their first game miserable, that makes it a lot less likely they'll come back. He's supposed to be working WITH his team, not tearing them down. Also, after being warned that he was on a short leash, does flaming people where I can't see it make flaming okay? So in short: I gave him several warnings to be more manner. He didn't heed them. I modkilled him. I learned later that Meapak had told him to "be an ass". I feel like it's bad advice. Could it have influenced Coag's decision? Maybe - but really, Coag should still know better. I stand by putting him on the banlist. | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6786 Posts
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Coagulation
United States9633 Posts
In addition, after the fact I heard from Qatol and some of the other mafia players that Coag had been extremely aggressive, insulting, and demeaning to a lot of his teammates, particularly the new players. This really annoys me for a lot of reasons - we want new players to enjoy their time and come back to play, and when an established member is making their lives playing their first game miserable, that makes it a lot less likely they'll come back. He's supposed to be working WITH his team, not tearing them down. Also, after being warned that he was on a short leash, does flaming people where I can't see it make flaming okay? Proof? Sure would be nice to see some substance to this. If anyone thinks i was being "extremely aggressive" and throwing "insults" around im sorry. | ||
GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
My take on it anyway | ||
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Coagulation
United States9633 Posts
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
On April 25 2011 08:30 GMarshal wrote: As far as I know (meaning when I was around on the mafia IRC) i don't recall coag insulting any of our members, considering bussing all of them? Yes, insulting them, no. Suggesting stupid plans? Yes. pushing to get them enacted? also yes, I guess that might be considered aggressive. But thats as far as I remember and I was obviously not always on, really though if any of the players on our team have a grievance against coag I'd like to hear it from them, as I was around, and if they were offended/bothered by coag I should have been the first to know to tell him to cut the shit out. My take on it anyway Thanks for weighing in, I do want to hear from some of the other mafia members who felt insulted/threatened by Coag, though. It's good for him that you didn't, though. | ||
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DropBear
Australia4400 Posts
REGARDING HIS BEHAVIOUR TOWARDS THE OTHER TEAM MEMBERS This is a link to our quicktopic. There isn't too much in here, from posts 44 to about 60. The aggression from Coag mostly came in IRC, which unfortunately I didn't save records of. The comments "why were we stuck with useless fucking newbies", "why the fuck didn't you vote for Marshal" and "this team is shit" were some of the things that upset me. The allcaps ranting wasn't limited to the thread either. Marsh you may have forgotten but on two occasions you had to come onto a private channel with me on IRC to say ignore Coag, don't worry about him. Coag desperately wanted us to get Marsh as mayor and I didn't vote for him so I copped it. My enjoyment of this game increased a lot once he was gone. REGARDING HIS MODKILL Coag had been publically warned in the thread, by name, on several occasions by BB for his posting. It has come to light that he has used Meapak's advice to "be an ass" as his excuse for his shitting up the thread after that. This to me is just opportunistic, self-righteous rubbish. Meapak just made a horrible decision that you know is wrong and then you try and justify your thread behaviour with him saying you should act like a dick? After you have been personally, publically told by BB to tone it down? These are the PMs I sent Coag trying to get him to calm down, just before he got modkilled. Ok man. Do your thing. Original Message From Coagulation: Dont worry about it. im fine. Hide nested quote - Original Message From DropBear: After the attitude Meapak showed in our IRC convo, I think he would dare. PLEASE Original Message From Coagulation: Its ok they wouldnt dare modkill me. Original Message From DropBear: Please calm down. Please. For me. If you get modkilled, we lose a KP. Try and at least last the night! Your modkill was avoidable. We were all angry, you were the only one to act in a manner as to get modkilled. You might say "I would have been vig'd anyway" and this is true, chaoser said in his vigi claim that he had his shot on you but he then switched it to LSB, who was an almost guaranteed mislynch due to there being no detectives to clear him. Plus, BB let us keep the 4th KP for that night. If he had been following the letter of the law we wouldn't have got that 4th kill and would have been even worse off. OTHER MATTERS I brought up my annoyance with him posting a blue-list in the thread that coincided very closely with what we were actually thinking. I was annoyed because I thought it made things easier for the real blues to coordinate. Coag said in the thread that it was intended to cause misinformation and confusion and I accept that and retract my complaint about this issue. I still don't think it was a good idea but if you were trying to help, fair enough. OVERALL -Coag was extremely unpleasant towards me. -His modkill was entirely his own fault. -I support a normal ban on him. If he is prepared to apologise for his behaviour this game I accept it and move on but I am very very pissed off with him. | ||
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Coagulation
United States9633 Posts
I didnt act around you any different than i act around everyone else in my 20+ games here. and i honestly would not have posted as much spam as i did if i thought for a second it was gonna get me modkilled. Honestly i was completely shocked that i would get modkilled for spam after my convo with meap. thats that. | ||
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DropBear
Australia4400 Posts
On April 25 2011 11:43 Coagulation wrote: Im sorry you took it personally. I didnt act around you any different than i act around everyone else in my 20+ games here. and i honestly would not have posted as much spam as i did if i thought for a second it was gonna get me modkilled. Honestly i was completely shocked that i would get modkilled for spam after my convo with meap. thats that. You sent me this PM in the post game discussion. Stop with the lies. I didnt give anybody the fucking mafia list. And everyone except BrownBear agrees my modkill was another bad mod call due to miscommunication. Read the IRC chat log with Meap Meap himself said that i shouldnt have been modkilled. You got a problem with my modkill talk to BrownBear I was just doing what Meap told me i could. You were pushing it, I think deliberately to get back at the hosts. If this is how you act normally and it's been ok with everyone I'm not sure I want to play with you anymore. | ||
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Coagulation
United States9633 Posts
I dont hold grudges. people here know that. | ||
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DropBear
Australia4400 Posts
On April 25 2011 12:12 Coagulation wrote: Nope i have no problems with the host. Water under the bridge. banging my head on the wall doesnt fix the problems. and holding a grudge doesnt help the community. So i can genuinely say that i was spamming because i was trying to divert attention and mislead town. something that i was under the impression would be ok. I dont hold grudges. people here know that. What you are saying here directly contrasts with the PM conversation we had, so I'll post them again. Could you explain them please? Ok man. Do your thing. Original Message From Coagulation: Dont worry about it. im fine. Hide nested quote - Original Message From DropBear: After the attitude Meapak showed in our IRC convo, I think he would dare. PLEASE Original Message From Coagulation: Its ok they wouldnt dare modkill me. Original Message From DropBear: Please calm down. Please. For me. If you get modkilled, we lose a KP. Try and at least last the night! | ||
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
Coagulation wrote: Its ok they wouldnt dare modkill me. This really pisses me off. What on earth makes you think you're above modkill? | ||
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Coagulation
United States9633 Posts
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Coagulation
United States9633 Posts
On April 25 2011 12:36 BrownBear wrote: This really pisses me off. What on earth makes you think you're above modkill? Because i talked to meap and he had said there wouldnt be a problem if i made a commotion to throw off town. Original Message From Coagulation: [02:28] <Coagulation_> its over [02:28] <Meapak_Ziphh> 'you have an obligation to ur team [02:28] <Coagulation_> yup [02:28] <Coagulation_> and im gonna [02:28] <Coagulation_> take the lynch [02:29] <Coagulation_> they want to play [02:29] <Coagulation_> thats fine [02:29] <Meapak_Ziphh> you can fight it [02:29] <Coagulation_> LOL [02:29] <Meapak_Ziphh> make shit up [02:29] <Meapak_Ziphh> screw the town over [02:29] <Meapak_Ziphh> be an ass [02:29] <GMTheDead> town will buy it [02:29] <GMTheDead> hell they listened to protac [02:29] <Meapak_Ziphh> take the heat off your team [02:29] <Meapak_Ziphh> your far from dea [02:29] <GMTheDead> after he was a know liar [02:29] <Meapak_Ziphh> K I've done what I can [02:29] <Meapak_Ziphh> gl to you all [02:30] == Meapak_Ziphh [32359dca@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.53.157.202] has left ##tlmafiavictory19 [] How are you not getting this??? Maybe it was a mistake but you know what at the time im pretty sure i was under the impression I WOULDNT BE MODKILLED FOR causing CHAOS. | ||
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DropBear
Australia4400 Posts
On April 25 2011 11:43 Coagulation wrote: Im sorry you took it personally. I didnt act around you any different than i act around everyone else in my 20+ games here. and i honestly would not have posted as much spam as i did if i thought for a second it was gonna get me modkilled. Honestly i was completely shocked that i would get modkilled for spam after my convo with meap. thats that. Your "apology" basically surmounts to "I regret nothing, this is how I play deal with it." On April 25 2011 12:42 Coagulation wrote: Hey dropbear I tried being nice and explaining why I was under the impression that i wouldnt be modkilled. Im done responding to you. i said sorry you said you would move on if i said sorry and all your doing is QQing. dont waste my time anymore. You haven't given me any near sufficient explanation for your actions towards me or your modkill for me to leave you alone. You're dodging. | ||
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
On April 25 2011 12:44 Coagulation wrote: Because i talked to meap and he had said there wouldnt be a problem if i made a commotion to throw off town. It's true he did, but in the end, what do you think carries more weight - a cohost talking to you in irc, or an official warning from the host, in the game thread, telling you not to flame or spam any more? | ||
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