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Okay people lets consider a few important ideas that are often overlooked that need to be taken into account soon.
There is absolutely zero reason to vote for Ver. We all know what happened last time he ran for office, I will summarize for those who are unfamiliar:
Ver: "waaa waaa I hate my life soooo many people PMing me waaa waaaa Ace Ace L Ace waa waaa please modkill me waaaa"
Point being, if you are town there is no reason to want Ver in office. If Ver is on the town side, he's only going to rage quit in two days. If Ver is mafia, you don't want a mafia in office. Don't elect someone who is going to cop out a third of the way through the game. At any rate, he has only half-heartedly made a campaign for office, I don't think he even wants to be elected anyways. Lots of people in the thread have been reinforcing their arguments with players' behavior in past games. Well, Ver's behavior in past games when he is elected is to rage quit. If you are one of these people that uses arguments like these, don't vote for Ver.
As I am sure someone else will do it, there seems to me to be a boatload of people who have yet to post or who have only made one or two posts (worthless posts might I add, for example OH HI IM HERE IMMA GO READ THE THREAD AND CATCH UP). As it has been correctly pointed out before, the mafia is going to be hiding among these inactive people. We have seen clearly in past games how the town goes ballistic killing itself while the mafia sits back and laughs. Lets make sure we keep track of all these people not contributing.
Okay, anyone who thinks we should kill Bill Murray is a complete idiot. Yes, that means you redtooth and DoctorHelvetica. And also laaan although you haven't explicitly said anything. Even BM pointed out that if he was mafia, he'd have other mafia members telling him what to post and how to do it. He is obviously way too incompetent where that would be the case this game. Furthermore, there are a bunch of inactive people, if he was mafia, I'm sure he'd be sitting right in that pool.
Remember guys, this is online mafia on teamliquid. This means that the teams are stacked for balancing issues (in other words, mafia members are not chosen at random). In a previous game where all of the veteran players where on the townside, the mafia got raped hard. With the addition of two mafia families, we can be reasonably sure that at least one, probably a few, of the veterans is mafia. While L's posts are almost all worth ignoring, he wants to kill Ace, who is a veteran, and thus we have to slog through his nonsensical posting. But killing off Ace is definitely something the town should highly consider. Perhaps you think Ace is too godly to kill off yet. If so, Ver has good analysis of BC, of which should be considered.
Remember guys, a veteran on the mafia side is a huge threat. They have the power to organize the mafia to victory. A mafia without a veteran is relatively helpless. On the contrast, the town can make do without a veteran. In fact, lots of times veterans hurt the town more than they help (I could site numerous examples, but I'm sure you all know). It's really easy for a novice player to step up as a green/blue and lead the town to victory. Heck I have nearly pulled this feat off in my first two games when I correctly found over 50% of the mafia. And I definitely pulled it off without any so called "veterans". It's clear that killing veterans is the right course of action as we could potentially deal a substantial blow to the mafia.
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On February 15 2010 10:00 L wrote: Oh foolishness, you posted on day 1 in a rather inflammatory tone instead of lurking until day 3 in an attempt to keep yourself alive.
I was going to call you out after scamp, but way to show initiative.
Also: 789, that's not a link to the arson killing you stupid twat. Its a link to the Angel's radiant flame killing.
Why thank you good sir. Although I am sorry for letting down your expectations of me. If you are elected mayor, are you opting to kill Ace? I just might have to vote for you if so.
Another point that needs to be mentioned. Stop cluttering up the thread with useless facts about your lives! This seems to happen every mafia game, and I'm going to go ahead and call it the "Nobody Cares Syndrome". The Nobody Cares Syndrome can be applied to those who make posts that nobody cares about. Let me demonstrate through example:
On February 14 2010 12:32 redtooth wrote: just got back from CSL. reading. NOBODY CARES!
On February 14 2010 12:33 Iaaan wrote: Chezinu makes me giggle NOBODY CARES!
On February 14 2010 13:04 l10f wrote:You vote for me because I'm awesome NOBODY CARES!
On February 14 2010 13:48 Abenson wrote: *lurks* Can't think of any intelligent things to say/contribute :D NOBODY CARES!
On February 14 2010 14:45 nemY wrote: Ugh damn it... reading some 7 odd pages trying to catch up... NOBODY CARES!
Don't fall victim to the Nobody Cares Syndrome. The truth of the matter is, nobody cares about your own life. This is mafia, go read the introduction about how to play the game. No where in there does it say to make posts about what you are currently doing. Nobody needs to know that you are reading the thread, playing dota, studying for school, or blowing some random guy for drugs. People only need to know what's related to the game.
The reason I bring this up is because these posts clutter up the thread. I cringe every time I have to read one of L's or Ace's posts, but at least their posts have substance and arguments in them and not "Lol ju5t got back fr0m hosting New Years party w00t lololol". For one it makes reading through the thread the most tedious job in the world. If I had the money I'd consider hiring somebody to read through the thread and pick out the important posts that I actually need to read.
As a general guideline, any post that has fewer than 5 lines of text can safely be ignored. When "good" people actually need to go digging through the thread for evidence, it makes it ten times worse having to dig through these useless 2 line posts. Don't become victim to Nobody Cares Syndrome, the goal is to find the mafia, not make it impossible to find them.
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On February 15 2010 10:27 SugiuraMidori wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2010 10:21 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I got the writer symbol, be original, stop worshipping ver.
Have you read the last few pages. I explained at length why i initially agreed with ver and why I changed my mind. I guess you haven't read past page 30, so maybe you aren't in the best place to be pointing fingers. A lot of useless posts? Maybe you don't think so, but I think I've been pretty useful insofar as documenting peoples arguments and points.
johnnyspazz's quote isn't really even remotely incriminating. IRL things do come up, that isn't enough to immediatly paint someone red imo Correct, I got sick and tired of reading trash after half the pages of the content after the start of the game with the day post. So anything you might have said that was useful was covered up in the drivel you spouted before that halfway point.. All I did when I got annoyed with reading was mark for activity.
Use the 5 line rule as suggested in my previous post. Unless the writer makes at least 5 lines of their own work, don't read the post. I am going to start using this tactic, I'll be sure to keep you informed about the status. I am expecting good results so I do suggest you try it.
As stated before people, this is why you don't want to clutter up the thread if you have Nobody Cares Syndrome. People stop reading. That's good for the mafia. Bad for the town.
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On February 15 2010 12:36 Iaaan wrote: My posts have been a bit lacking of content so far, I'll try to be a bit more insightful.
For the town to win, we do not need to kill mafia; the Mafia‘s own KP will be the greatest weapon against the Mafia. What we, the town, needs to do is prepare for the later parts of the game, when our influence on the game really matters. In order to get ready for when our own KP matters, we need information. People have talked about putting together information, by profiling the clues, making circles of people who are connected to each other, and just watching what people post. The other way I can think of getting information is through lynches; if one person being red incriminates another person, it is more useful for the town to lynch them, again with the idea of controlling the balance between the mafia families in the later game.
Other than having information, how can we increase our chance of winning? By killing the experienced Mafia. It makes sense to me that the veteran players are taking charge of their Mafia families. Therefore, while killing random Mafia members at this point may not ultimately benefit the town (you may disagree, but it would really just give an early advantage to one of the Mafia families), killing their leader will help the town.
So who, with what I’ve said so far, who is the best person to lynch? Ace. Ace. is organizing one of the Mafia families, and Redtooth is his accomplice.
On February 15 2010 11:12 redtooth wrote: to all the people that think killing a veteran scum makes the mafia lose leadership: the dead don't really die, they just go quiet. think about it. thInk Real Carefully about it. btw if you managed to figure that out, guess who loses the most leadership when an allied veteran dies.
why the hell are people voting for citizen? he's not a good pick. you have absolute zero information on the guy and he's proven himself in a total of one games and has yet to post anything reasonable or thought-provoking in the thread. normally Ver would be a good pick (i stated this in my PM that i posted) but THERE ARE REASONS WHY WE SHOULDN'T ELECT HIM NOW. DrH is a spammer (scum behavior much?), Ace should be avoided for now, and i guess L is the next best pick. BC is finally starting to talk so we'll steadily get more information on him.
The key is that the mafia need an experienced (key word experienced) leader in order to reach victory. The town does not need an experienced leader to reach victory, they only need a competent leader, by which nearly everyone fulfills this standard. Allied veteran leaders are replaceable, mafia veteran leaders are not. In my first two games I almost singlehandedly led the town to victory without the help of any of these so called "veterans".
In hindsight, calling these players "veterans" is a huge misnomer. MrBabyHands is only a veteran because he snuck into a mafia irc chatroom and found all the mafia. Great analysis there buddy, you really found those mafia good. Don't be intimidated by these "veteran" players, they usually suck. The only good thing about the veterans is that a few of them are guaranteed to be mafia because everyone thinks they are good.
As of right now, there is no reason to not vote for BM. He has more clearly demonstrated reason to be affiliated with the town than any other person besides maybe Chezinu. But Chezinu is guaranteed to fuck something up if he's in office so we got to avoid that situation.
Sugiura, any way to make that count only count posts greater than 4 lines? Honestly I'm considering just spamming a bunch of one line posts to get my count up there before someone comes in and says I'm mafia cause I've only posted 4 times. Yet my posts have contained more information than everyone else on that list, save the people at the top (L, Ace, DoctorH, etc)
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On February 15 2010 15:07 Iaaan wrote: And I'm going to bed now, no more posts from me for like 12 hours. NOBODY CARES!
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On February 15 2010 12:27 Iaaan wrote: I'm happy your not worrying about me, but I have a posting coming up on why you are mafia. You'll be happy that its not based off clues.
NOBODY CARES!
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On February 15 2010 11:27 Iaaan wrote: Wait for Ace's post before you 'defend' him. NOBODY CARES!
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On February 15 2010 08:44 Iaaan wrote: lol @ BM NOBODY CARES!
STOP FILLING THE THREAD WITH USELESS POSTS! STOP HELPING THE MAFIA! STOP MAKING ME WANNA KILL MYSELF EVERYTIME I NEED TO READ THE THREAD! POST SOMETHING USEFUL!
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On February 15 2010 15:16 redtooth wrote: now that i've explained everything and come clean, will you vote me mayor?
If Bill Murray wasn't in the picture, I'd probably vote for you.
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On February 15 2010 15:31 Zato-1 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2010 12:15 Bill Murray wrote: the only problem with your analysis, though, my friend... is that you're already thinking from the perspective of an opposing mafia. Why? WHY ZATO? Game theory. When you have dynamic decision-making, in which the outcome of my decisions depends upon the decisions you take, the correct way to approach the problem is to determine your optimal course of action first, and once I know what you're going to do and therefore the payoff of each of my own choices, only then do I start looking at what is the optimal course of action for myself. Sorry for the completely off-topic post, but I actually love game theory. Prisoner's dilemma and all that shiz- the very same reasoning that brought me to the conclusion, many pages ago, that mafia will mostly be lurking, so we should focus less on the really active players and more on those who are making shitty, short and content-free posts, and also on those who aren't posting at all.
Yes yes, let's please focus on those who aren't contributing. Multiple people have stated that it's going to be very easy for mafia to hide among the shadows this game (mostly due to the large number of people and subsequent lack of posting from a bunch of them). I read these posts where people are saying "oh if so and so is mafia, then x and y are also mafia as well. Or if we kill this person and he turns up green, then these three people must all be mafia". Get real guys, mafia aren't out here sabotaging the election or anything. They are sitting by having fun reading the thread and posting their votes when needed.
On February 15 2010 15:54 Amber[LighT] wrote: You guys are exhausting your fingers with this Ace bullshit. No one trusts Ace, but we don't all fight him...
Also this whole bill.murray thing should be looked at a bit more carefully. Chezinu and foolishness out of nowhere voting for this guy? And we have about 20 abstains and the highest votes are Ver and Citizen with 4, which is crying for a vote swing from either mafia family.
Also people who post a lot of nonsense should be careful. Just because the someone showed you're posting a lot, doesn't validate your alliance to the town any more than someone who isn't posting a lot. (I'm saying this because reading 20+ pages of bullshit really sucks)
Bill Murray is the safest option to be in office as he is the most likely to be on the townside. Chezinu is just as likely, but Chezinu is prone to fuck ups so we don't want to put him in office.
And might I suggest the 5 line rule to you as well. If on any post the writer does not produce at least 5 lines of his own creation, don't read the post. Chances are nothing important was said. Nobody Cares Syndrome is affecting many people in this game. Iaaan has never said anything worthwhile this game yet so I'd go ahead and ignore anything he says as well.
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On February 16 2010 04:45 Iaaan wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2010 17:30 Foolishness wrote:On February 15 2010 15:31 Zato-1 wrote:On February 15 2010 12:15 Bill Murray wrote: the only problem with your analysis, though, my friend... is that you're already thinking from the perspective of an opposing mafia. Why? WHY ZATO? Game theory. When you have dynamic decision-making, in which the outcome of my decisions depends upon the decisions you take, the correct way to approach the problem is to determine your optimal course of action first, and once I know what you're going to do and therefore the payoff of each of my own choices, only then do I start looking at what is the optimal course of action for myself. Sorry for the completely off-topic post, but I actually love game theory. Prisoner's dilemma and all that shiz- the very same reasoning that brought me to the conclusion, many pages ago, that mafia will mostly be lurking, so we should focus less on the really active players and more on those who are making shitty, short and content-free posts, and also on those who aren't posting at all. Yes yes, let's please focus on those who aren't contributing. Multiple people have stated that it's going to be very easy for mafia to hide among the shadows this game (mostly due to the large number of people and subsequent lack of posting from a bunch of them). I read these posts where people are saying "oh if so and so is mafia, then x and y are also mafia as well. Or if we kill this person and he turns up green, then these three people must all be mafia". Get real guys, mafia aren't out here sabotaging the election or anything. They are sitting by having fun reading the thread and posting their votes when needed. On February 15 2010 15:54 Amber[LighT] wrote: You guys are exhausting your fingers with this Ace bullshit. No one trusts Ace, but we don't all fight him...
Also this whole bill.murray thing should be looked at a bit more carefully. Chezinu and foolishness out of nowhere voting for this guy? And we have about 20 abstains and the highest votes are Ver and Citizen with 4, which is crying for a vote swing from either mafia family.
Also people who post a lot of nonsense should be careful. Just because the someone showed you're posting a lot, doesn't validate your alliance to the town any more than someone who isn't posting a lot. (I'm saying this because reading 20+ pages of bullshit really sucks) Bill Murray is the safest option to be in office as he is the most likely to be on the townside. Chezinu is just as likely, but Chezinu is prone to fuck ups so we don't want to put him in office. And might I suggest the 5 line rule to you as well. If on any post the writer does not produce at least 5 lines of his own creation, don't read the post. Chances are nothing important was said. Nobody Cares Syndrome is affecting many people in this game. Iaaan has never said anything worthwhile this game yet so I'd go ahead and ignore anything he says as well. I'm noticing this because its me that your are talking about; you are singling me out as a useless poster, when in my view at least, there are plenty of other more useless posters. While I admit alot of my posts were dumb, I have made a few that are worth reading (specifically on page 41), yet you ignore those ones and single me out as an idiot. People will have their own opinion on what this means, and I don't want to revenge accuse, but it is worth pointing out. In regards to the godfather, it isn't likely for them to choose anyone who will potentially be lynched/killed in the night 1/day 2 post or anyone who may be elected. This basically rules out L, Ace, Redtooth, Empyrean, and some other people who I'm too lazy to think of, but you know who they are. This is important because it makes them good choices for role checks; they are potentially mafia leaders, without protected identities. (these next few things are less important/useless) I'm leaning less towards Redtooth being mafia, and by extension a little less towards Ace, but I think that Redtooth has made some reasonable posts. Still suspicious, but I was considering lynching Empyrean instead (even if I'm not sure what information can be gained from killing him, mafia or not), and seeing Ver's post consolidated that. I see why people (foolishness/Redtooth) were voting for Bill Murray, I'm pretty sure he isn't mafia, but I still don't agree with electing him, with all his useless spamming. I like Ver and Citi.zens posts/plans. NOBODY CARES!
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On February 16 2010 06:03 meeple wrote:For someone who complains about shit posting, the vast majority of your posts contain only "NOBODY CARES!" They're not going to change just because you tell them to... case in point Chez's new post that seems just to be a collection of his old posts...
I find it very interesting that you choose to ignore Ver's big post of analysis on why you are mafia, and instead divert your time to tell me that I am only filling up the thread with useless jargon. If I was in your shoes, I'd be shitting my pants that one of the so called "veterans" have me listed down as one of their two top suspects. The last thing that would be on my mind would be small complaints from Foolishness about Iaaan's lack of useful posting.
But hey, whatever you gotta do to dodge a bullet.
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On February 16 2010 06:13 Caller wrote: i mean what else is there to say right now. no dts have come forth, despite me saying that it's unlikely dts will die even if they rc.
You don't read Chezinu's posts do you? I mean, I don't blame you for not reading anything he says. Personally, banging my head into a wall seems more productive than having to slog through his garbage. But hey, I guess reading through did come in handy for this one instance.
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On February 17 2010 06:20 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2010 03:16 nemY wrote: I tallied up the list of ppl who made vote swaps. I may have made a mistake or two (in which case could someone double check it please?), but I feel like this may give a better clue to who our mafia may really be, and at least it it allows us to do some analysis, rather than say... making a list of ppl you "feel" are mafia
Chezinu 5x DoctorHelvetica 3x MasterDana 1x [NyC]HoBbes 1x 789 2x Bill Murray 6x BloodyC0bbler 1x tree.hugger 1x Fulgrim 1x Nikoner 2x Ace 2x Caller 2x Decafchicken 1x d3_crescentia 3x citi.zen 2x meeple 1x sidesprang 1x SugiuraMidori 1x Empyrean 1x (he’s dead now though)
1. Why would you count abstaining as a "switch"? I only voted for DrH and RT, yet I have a 3x. 2. This post is completely void of content, yet is took some effort on your part (just not serious thinking about what and why you are going through the motions). Exactly the sort of thing that smacks of a bad attempt to "blend in" from a semi-active mafia member.
Apparently not, I switched my vote from abstain and I'm not on the list. This is a very inconsistent list and someone should go through and try to make it official. However I think what needs to be paid attention to is the time's that people make their switch. If players are switching votes at key moments during the day (i.e. to put one player ahead of another) or if we see a random group of people all vote at once, this needs to be documented and taken note of.
I really hope people read Ver's post about spamming the thread. And I hope people also read what I've said on this matter. Nobody Cares Syndrome is spreading fast throughout this mafia game, and it's only hurting the town. Although I suggest anything less than 5 lines of written text be ignored or forbidden. Heaven forbid we all have to read through 20 pages of posts every time we check on the thread.
The fact that people are spamming is contributing to the fact that some people are inactive. There are definitely players in this game who are usually contributing or posting more than they are right now. What is probably the case, is that they don't want to read through a couple dozen of pages. This is bad because these people get thrown into the "inactives" and are now near the top of the suspects list. In reality, these people are just intimidated by the number of posts they have to read through, which contributes to the number of inactive people altogether. Separating these groups of people will ultimately help us find the mafia.
On February 16 2010 13:24 Iaaan wrote:
5/6. Redtooth and Malongo are medic/townie, and either 1 mafia hits malongo, or neither mafia do.
On February 16 2010 13:05 Iaaan wrote: On second thought, the mafia would want to show the town that Redtooth is mafia (if he is mafia), since the easiest way to kill him is through the town lynch, instead of having to kill the BG's first. oh hey guess what? NOBODY CARES!
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Case in point, LucasWoJ's post right above mine.
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Going to specifically get some people I haven't gotten yet.
On February 18 2010 03:59 ~OpZ~ wrote: Thanks Fishball...But damn...You are fast good sir! Fast indeed! NOBODY CARES!
On February 18 2010 04:11 redtooth wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2010 17:14 Vivi57 wrote: tl;dr: Ace and bc are in the same family with redtooth as a likely third member i love it when people are so wrong. NOBODY CARES!
On February 18 2010 05:04 Amber[LighT] wrote: Glad to see you got the full scoop on everybody.. probably can't get a chance to go through the last 50 pages until tonight anyway. I'll continue from here on out to look at what people are up to. hi how ya doin'? NOBODY CARES!
On February 18 2010 05:06 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2010 04:51 LucasWoJ wrote: Cut it out opz and fishball. If anything, respond to citizen's post
Maybe I've missed it, but what is there to respond? ...and what do you mean cut it out? Someone asked about my profile, I responded. Compared to the non-game related shit the other guys dished out in the past 82 pages, sure. Yes I've been reading the thread a lot, as I've taken this entire week off work to watch Olympics, so I'm checking this thread very often. Also, a lot of you guys seems to not remember there are two Mafia families in this game. If I were you, I would not do anything and let it all play out. NOBODY CARES!
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Okay hopefully this post won't get buried. I've taken the time to analyze the votes for the election and drawn some interesting conclusions from them. I've organized the times here starting from about three hours (5:57 tl time) before redtooth claimed medic. Let's take a look
Time-----------------Action--------------------------------------------------Results 5:57-------------------------------------------------------------------L - 8 votes; redtooth - 5 votes; Ver - 4 votes 5:57------citi.zen changes from abstain to redtooth--L - 8 votes; redtooth - 6 votes; Ver - 4 votes 6:32---------L changes from abstain to Chezinu--------L - 8 votes; redtooth - 6 votes; Ver - 4 votes 6:41------------decaf changes from Ace to redtooth----L - 8 votes; redtooth - 7 votes; Ver - 4 votes 6:42-------BM changes from abstain to Chezinu-------L - 8 votes; redtooth - 7 votes; Ver - 4 votes 7:27-----------------sidesprang votes for L-------------------L - 9 votes; redtooth - 7 votes; Ver - 4 votes 7:28---------d3 changes from redtooth to Chezinu-----L - 9 votes; redtooth - 6 votes; Ver - 4 votes 7:54-----------infundibulum votes for Ver--------------------L - 9 votes; redtooth - 6 votes; Ver - 5 votes 7:55---------Nikoner changes from abstain to Ver------L - 9 votes; redtooth - 6 votes; Ver - 6 votes 8:10----------------Zona abstains--------------------------------L - 9 votes; redtooth - 6 votes; Ver - 6 votes 8:45-----------------redtooth claims medic--------------------L - 9 votes; redtooth - 6 votes; Ver - 6 votes 8:46------------Ace changes from redtooth to L-----------L - 10 votes; redtooth - 5 votes; Ver - 6 votes 8:49-----------------meeple votes for redtooth---------------L - 10 votes; redtooth - 6 votes; Ver - 6 votes 8:52---------------tredmasta changes to Ver----------------L - 10 votes; redtooth - 6 votes; Ver - 7 votes 8:53------------d3 changes from Chezinu to redtooth---L - 10 votes; redtooth - 7 votes; Ver - 7 votes 8:55------------Nikoner changes from Ver to abstain----L - 10 votes; redtooth - 7 votes; Ver - 6 votes 8:55---------- Ace changes from L to redtooth--------------L - 9 votes; redtooth - 8 votes; Ver - 6 votes 8:57---------- Empyrean votes for redtooth-------------------L - 9 votes; redtooth - 9 votes; Ver - 6 votes 8:58----------BM changes from Chezinu to redtooth-----L - 9 votes; redtooth - 10 votes; Ver - 6 votes
Ignoring the people we already know are green (as I have conveniently labeled above), the people we should be taking note of are: meeple, tredmasta, Nikoner.
Meeple votes for redtooth after the roleclaim, putting redtooth back on par with Ver. tredmasta(who the fuck...?) votes for Ver after meeple, putting Ver back on top by one vote. Nikoner takes his vote off of Ver, putting redtooth in the lead.
The thing to take note of, is that redtooth is only safely in office because of a large chunk of greens. If he was mafia, I'm sure there would've been a bigger mass of votes for him (would you be comfortable being up by one vote when the lead has changed three times?). This applies similarly for Ver as well; if he was mafia, he should be in office (I am, however, ignoring here the possibility that the two of them are both mafia; but this scenario seems highly unlikely).
Also, the voting before redtooth claims is important as well. The few hours before he claims shows that he's in the lead with a few votes, and that lead slowly diminishes. A good point is that the voting between him and Ver is tied for nearly an hour (right until redtooth claims medic). If redtooth was mafia, why not just have some of his mafia buddies throw a few more votes on to put him in the lead? Why bother going through the move of fake claiming medic? It's not like votes for Ver just piled on at once; redtooth had time to think about what to do.
Zona and infundibulum were the only people who had not actually voted up until they voted here.
Nikoner's vote is probably the most interesting. At a very crucial time, he takes it off of Ver and abstains. What's the motivation for this move? Obviously, he doesn't want Ver to be in office so he takes it off of Ver. Yet he doesn't put it on redtooth (which might have guarenteed Ver out of office), but perhaps he was shaky about the roleclaim (perfectly understandable). However taking a vote off of Ver helps redtooth, but at the same time he did not choose to help redtooth. Probably he thinks perhaps both these people should not be in office. Well then might as well put the vote on L...but he didn't. His vote has no motivation, what's the point of abstaining at the very critical point in the election? Perhaps he thought it'd be safer to be on the abstain list then voting for someone. I honestly do not see how Nikoner can possibly be mafia, he seems like a scared townsperson.
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On February 20 2010 15:50 tree.hugger wrote:My activity is pretty easily explained, I'm currently in a production of Marat/Sade which is now in tech week. I have barely enough time to read this thread, let alone do the wonderful clue and behavioral analysis that this game has shown so far. Doesn't mean I'm not happy to see such a bountiful harvest of red, due to the diligent labor this thread has produced.
NOBODY CARES
The very least you could do is to try to defend yourself here. Ver has posted ample evidence indicating how suspicious you are based on your behavior, and your retaliation is "oh sorry i'm so inactive waa waa". Guess what? NOBODY CARES! You have yet to deny any claim that you are mafia. Considering Ver has the inside scoop on the town it's much more sensible we listen to him at this point.
I was hoping that somewhat else would be observant enough, but since everyone playing seems to have the attention span of a four year old: a bodyguard is dead!. What does this mean? One of the mafia substituted a member in. This could mean a variety of things we must look out for. We don't know which family substituted the member in, and it's very possible that even more of the bodyguards are mafia.
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On February 24 2010 03:00 XeliN wrote: Vote L to be lynched, simply the fact that he maniuplated the town to such an extent and it turned out to be very wrong is enough to lynch L.
It is possible he did it mistakenly however he is a self confessed veteran of this game and i is far more likely he is Mafia,
I think we possibly ought to lynch Quickstriker first, he has been confirmed and the only thing against doing so would be the logic that the other mafia will surely lynch him, however L and Quickstriker to be lynched next plz
There shouldn't be any sort of debate over who to lynch today (and there shouldn't have been yesterday either but whatever). QS is a confirmed mafia (unless he's a miller), and L we are uncertain about. At the very least, we need to even out the mafia numbers and since QS is sumiyoshi lynching him accomplishes that goal.
Since Ver was the town leader, it's very important that we keep in mind his goals as we proceed over the next few days. It is evident (because some idiot posted a PM) that Ver had insight on the happenings of the town.
On February 23 2010 07:45 Ver wrote: And L is getting lynched of course irregardless of role.
Since we have a double lynch tomorrow, we need to highly consider killing L since Ver said so, and Ver knew more about the town than any one of us. Also remember, Ver had a massive amount of analysis against tree.hugger, almost to the point where tree.hugger was going to get lynched before events changed during the day. Thus our preliminary kill list should be L and tree.hugger tomorrow.
Ver also gave us a possible sumiyoshi list with Caller and I on it (as well as Lucas, but he's dead already). Obviously I'm not going to advocate killing myself, but we must consider killing Caller. Although he has claimed to be a Gambino in the thread, we should consider lynching him. Ver said he's a liar and honestly, this is definitely something Caller could try to pull.
Ver also made a bunch of analysis against meeple early on in the game. I believe that most of his analysis still holds true even after he has died (go read it if you don't believe me then look at meeple's posting). He should also be considered for lynch tomorrow.
Most people seem to advocate lynching Scamp tomorrow. Although the evidence pointing to him as mafia is reasonable, I don't see any reason to say he must be sumiyoshi if he is mafia over gambino. It's evident that we must be after sumiyoshi right now, and thus I do not advocate killing Scamp unless someone can show me loud and clear that he must be sumiyoshi if he is mafia.
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On February 24 2010 06:37 L wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2010 06:26 Foolishness wrote:On February 24 2010 03:00 XeliN wrote: Vote L to be lynched, simply the fact that he maniuplated the town to such an extent and it turned out to be very wrong is enough to lynch L.
It is possible he did it mistakenly however he is a self confessed veteran of this game and i is far more likely he is Mafia,
I think we possibly ought to lynch Quickstriker first, he has been confirmed and the only thing against doing so would be the logic that the other mafia will surely lynch him, however L and Quickstriker to be lynched next plz
There shouldn't be any sort of debate over who to lynch today (and there shouldn't have been yesterday either but whatever). QS is a confirmed mafia (unless he's a miller), and L we are uncertain about. At the very least, we need to even out the mafia numbers and since QS is sumiyoshi lynching him accomplishes that goal. Since Ver was the town leader, it's very important that we keep in mind his goals as we proceed over the next few days. It is evident (because some idiot posted a PM) that Ver had insight on the happenings of the town. On February 23 2010 07:45 Ver wrote: And L is getting lynched of course irregardless of role. Since we have a double lynch tomorrow, we need to highly consider killing L since Ver said so, and Ver knew more about the town than any one of us. Also remember, Ver had a massive amount of analysis against tree.hugger, almost to the point where tree.hugger was going to get lynched before events changed during the day. Thus our preliminary kill list should be L and tree.hugger tomorrow. Ver also gave us a possible sumiyoshi list with Caller and I on it (as well as Lucas, but he's dead already). Obviously I'm not going to advocate killing myself, but we must consider killing Caller. Although he has claimed to be a Gambino in the thread, we should consider lynching him. Ver said he's a liar and honestly, this is definitely something Caller could try to pull. Ver also made a bunch of analysis against meeple early on in the game. I believe that most of his analysis still holds true even after he has died (go read it if you don't believe me then look at meeple's posting). He should also be considered for lynch tomorrow. Most people seem to advocate lynching Scamp tomorrow. Although the evidence pointing to him as mafia is reasonable, I don't see any reason to say he must be sumiyoshi if he is mafia over gambino. It's evident that we must be after sumiyoshi right now, and thus I do not advocate killing Scamp unless someone can show me loud and clear that he must be sumiyoshi if he is mafia. Chez checked you and stated that you came up legit. Given the list of potential players that would take the GF role, its possible that you aren't confirmed. Lynching scamp was a way to see if chez was innocent, and thus rule out him lying about you, vivi, and hobbes' checks.
Even if Chez is innocent it still doesn't mean I'm confirmed since there's still one GF out there. Assuming the town doesn't lynch you who do you vote to kill tomorrow other than scamp?
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On February 24 2010 12:19 Malongo wrote: So i came up to this: It is for the best interest of the town to lynch tree.hugger today. First of he was to be lynched last night but "somehow" the voting was turned into redtooth impalation. So given that Quickstricker claimed that he wont vote today to force a modkill it is fair to assume that:
- Town has 3 kills total (counting 1 today 2 tomorrow) - If we kill quickstricker we lose the chance to take his claim to our advantage - If we lynch tree.hugger and quickstricker votes we can lynch him tomorrow. - We can take a lot of information about tree.huggers allignment. (namely L, decafchicken, amber and laaan, players that look mafia to me).
Some things: -Why hasnt gambino hit some gambino fake claimers¿ Guys claiming to be gambino CANT be Yumiyumi because gambino family would have killed them already. -Where are our clue analizers¿
So please lets change our kill tonight. We can get Quickstricker tomorrow if he votes, but we win an extra kill (and it would be great if it is a miller kill) by killing someone else.
Im changing to tree.hugger and i expect a lot of resistance from the Yumiyumi family
I like your plan, only problem is that Quickstriker has been inspected and found guilty (unless he's a miller). tree.hugger hasn't been inspected (not saying he's innocent, he's just not confirmed.
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On February 24 2010 14:35 johnnyspazz wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2010 13:45 Amber[LighT] wrote: By sit back and watch you mean MSN me and tell me Ver is the DT and rolechecked me and told you that I was mafia, right?
Shockeyy is skilled with graffiti, just putting it out there... wait are you saying he lied to you in a PM about ver being a DT? Doesn't this make shockeyy totally untrustworthy?
Can you just stop posting?
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There's a little bit of showtime in us all
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On February 25 2010 14:31 L wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2010 14:24 Nikon wrote: Didn't you say that Chezinu lying is unlikely? Depends who he's talking to and what its about. Chez lies plenty when he's trying to see people make mistakes.
If Chez is lying, there's at least one DT still unaccounted for (unless you really think there was only one DT, but I find that highly unlikely). Surely that someone would've stepped up somewhere along the line by either claiming to Ver or establishing their own circle. It seems hard to believe that there's still a DT lurking in the shadows somewhere, especially at this stage in the game. Along the same lines, I don't think Chez has actually done anything to convince us he should not be trusted (it's not like he's deliberately trying to sabotage the town or anything).
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On February 26 2010 09:24 XeliN wrote: Ah wasnt even able to vote, silly mistake. Btw if johnny is mafia like he states and also gambino like he states would the other family simply not hit him? surely by his still being here that makes him sumiyoshi or am i missing something?
I'm starting to worry about that too. However at this point I don't think we have any reason to not believe him. And anyways, it's not like we don't have other people to lynch. I think it's evident that one of our lynches should be tree.hugger, if for not any other reason, Ver was highly suspicious of him. tree.hugger has yet to make any real contribution to the town, and has made one shaky post about how we should not kill him.
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On February 26 2010 09:40 L wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2010 09:37 Foolishness wrote:On February 26 2010 09:24 XeliN wrote: Ah wasnt even able to vote, silly mistake. Btw if johnny is mafia like he states and also gambino like he states would the other family simply not hit him? surely by his still being here that makes him sumiyoshi or am i missing something? I'm starting to worry about that too. However at this point I don't think we have any reason to not believe him. And anyways, it's not like we don't have other people to lynch. I think it's evident that one of our lynches should be tree.hugger, if for not any other reason, Ver was highly suspicious of him. tree.hugger has yet to make any real contribution to the town, and has made one shaky post about how we should not kill him. I'd say we also need to kill scamp to see if chezinu is legit, but i'm pretty sure the clues today are pretty blatant when it comes to captain drainage. Interestingly enough, the encasement in black goo that I originally thought would be something between meeple and malongo ended up killing meeple and reinforcing the malongo link. Malongo typically posts a lot more than he does. That said, we need to get some credible information on if chez is lying through his teeth at us, which prioritizes scamp over him.
How does killing scamp guarantee us that Chezinu is legit?
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On February 26 2010 11:43 L wrote: 1) Ok.
2) I'm in awe that you wouldn't vote tree.hugger even if you thought on the balance of probabilities that chez was more mafia than scamp.
Would be pretty fucking odd to give us 3 hatters, 2 vets, 2 medics and 1 only dt in a 51 man game.
At this point there's no reason to not vote tree.hugger. Unless someone else steps up as DT then there's no reason to think Chezinu is lying. If there was another DT they'd probably have their own town circle of which we'd probably know about by now.
I could understand thinking L is suspicious, but Chez? C'mon
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On February 26 2010 13:27 XeliN wrote: Chez, can you please provide some sort of info that proves you are the DT
What do you have to lose by doing so?
Read the thread carefully, he's already done so.
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On February 27 2010 08:08 Scamp wrote: I was starting to think that L and I might be two sides of the same coin, but his continual insistence to doing nothing (at least publicly) has doomed him in my eyes. If he's scumhunting in PMs then someone needs to step up and defend him.
He keeps mentioning me as a solid cluelink, even though there's only one clue that's actually solid toward me and even then he admitted that it's more likely to point toward Chezinu. Continually pointing the finger at me is not scumhunting.
I asked Foolishness and L to defend Chezinu over a day ago. Neither has stepped up to offer anything. So let me ask the seven people who are voting for me: why? What makes me the most likely candidate? Is it because L said that some clues point to me?
I've noted how I've been targeted, SERIOUSLY targeted by both mafia families. That claim simply hasn't been countered. I simply ask: where is the suspicion coming from? I am simply a green townie, and my history/actions should prove that.
I have defended Chezinu.
You're only being targeted because there's nobody else to kill right now. Chezinu, L, and myself are honestly trying to figure out who's mafia but the rest of the town is bandwagoning our only DT left (probably) and our clearly innocent Pardoner. From my perspective, I have to weed out the mafia from the rest of the inactive town, and they are all voting together (basically, it's nearly impossible to figure out anything).
I voted for you because L claimed you dying would prove Chezinu innocent. That doesn't hold true anymore. To be honest I don't want to kill you because there are definitely much better targets to go after. However, the entire town mafia included is killing the two most innocent people. I have a choice to vote between you, a DT, and a clearly innocent L. Who do you think I'm going to vote for?
I would gladly like to kill off someone else (amber, tree.hugger, malongo) but that doesn't seem possible. Truth is, there is absolutely no reason to not vote tree.hugger right now. He is the most clear cut mafia member in this town (minus johnnyspazz) and he's been targeted nearly the entire game by lots of innocent people. If you really weren't mafia you should be voting for tree.hugger at the very least. The fact that you haven't makes you much much much more suspicious (along with nearly every other person in this game).
If you want to defend yourself, start by finding mafia for us to kill and stop accusing innocents (Chez and L).
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On February 28 2010 07:11 Chezinu wrote: looks like town is in for another setback...
Couldn't have said that better
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On February 28 2010 08:53 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2010 10:31 L wrote: On that note, I just went and updated foolishnesses old post with the new information we have because of the fact that uh... its a secret.
Time-----------------Action--------------------------------------------------Results 5:57-------------------------------------------------------------------L - 8 votes; redtooth - 5 votes; Ver - 4 votes 5:57------citi.zen (gambino) changes from abstain to redtooth--L - 8 votes; redtooth - 6 votes; Ver - 4 votes 6:32---------L changes from abstain to Chezinu--------L - 8 votes; redtooth - 6 votes; Ver - 4 votes 6:41------------decaf changes from Ace to redtooth----L - 8 votes; redtooth - 7 votes; Ver - 4 votes 6:42-------BM changes from abstain to Chezinu-------L - 8 votes; redtooth - 7 votes; Ver - 4 votes 7:27-----------------sidesprang votes for L-------------------L - 9 votes; redtooth - 7 votes; Ver - 4 votes 7:28---------d3 changes from redtooth to Chezinu-----L - 9 votes; redtooth - 6 votes; Ver - 4 votes 7:54-----------infundibulum (gambino) votes for Ver--------------------L - 9 votes; redtooth - 6 votes; Ver - 5 votes 7:55---------Nikoner changes from abstain to Ver------L - 9 votes; redtooth - 6 votes; Ver - 6 votes 8:10----------------Zona abstains--------------------------------L - 9 votes; redtooth - 6 votes; Ver - 6 votes 8:45-----------------redtooth claims medic--------------------L - 9 votes; redtooth - 6 votes; Ver - 6 votes 8:46------------Ace changes from redtooth to L-----------L - 10 votes; redtooth - 5 votes; Ver - 6 votes 8:49-----------------meeple votes for redtooth---------------L - 10 votes; redtooth - 6 votes; Ver - 6 votes 8:52---------------tredmasta changes to Ver----------------L - 10 votes; redtooth - 6 votes; Ver - 7 votes 8:53------------d3 changes from Chezinu to redtooth---L - 10 votes; redtooth - 7 votes; Ver - 7 votes 8:55------------Nikoner changes from Ver to abstain----L - 10 votes; redtooth - 7 votes; Ver - 6 votes 8:55---------- Ace changes from L to redtooth--------------L - 9 votes; redtooth - 8 votes; Ver - 6 votes 8:57---------- Empyrean votes for redtooth-------------------L - 9 votes; redtooth - 9 votes; Ver - 6 votes 8:58----------BM changes from Chezinu to redtooth-----L - 9 votes; redtooth - 10 votes; Ver - 6 votes
so I was looking for the clues pointing to me, but kind of gave up when I saw this and decided to update it.
I don't think it's relevant anymore. Although it kinda shows L is innocent.
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And there's still 3 bodyguards -_-
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On March 01 2010 10:47 Vivi57 wrote: 5. johnnyspazz (gambino) 8. Vivi57 11. XeliN 16. dozko 19. ShoCkeyy 23. Chezinu (dt) 24. Scamp 29. ~OpZ~ 30. sidesprang 33. ohN 34. Abenson 45. Versatile 47. Malongo (bg) 50. Foolishness 51. madnessman
reading the rules right now to see if its possible malongo is the gf and made himself appear as a bg then subbed himself in place of a real bg
That is a legit move. Sugiura did it remember? Versatile also claimed bodyguard (thought I'd mention it since some people seem to not know that)
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On March 01 2010 09:38 johnnyspazz wrote: god damnit ok i thank the medic who saved me
Just to make sure you are claiming you took the hit during the night and had medic protection right? Cause if someone else did they should say so right now.
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Since hardly anyone is posting their thoughts (yes Chez, that includes you), I have taken the time to do some analysis. At this point I would like to call out ~Opz~ as mafia.
Yes, ~Opz~ is mafia.
Let's begin the analysis, starting here:
On February 16 2010 05:10 Caller wrote: People with wise things to say Zato-1, Redtooth (just a lil') Foolishness (especially the part about people spamming shit),~Opz~ I think ~Opz~ always has valid points. I remember when I was running Red Army Mafia that he nailed a lot of people on clues, even if nobody listened to anything he had to say.
everyone else seems to be talking random shit if you ask me ~~~
Here, Caller (let's not forget he is sumiyoshi) calls out ~Opz~ as someone who we should pay attention to because he always has valid points. He also goes on to say that ~Opz~ has good clue analysis. I will pick out a few of ~Opz~ posts from BEFORE Caller made this post:
On February 15 2010 00:13 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2010 13:44 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Ver has been the most sensible so far imo
His accusation of bloodycobbler is based on a change in bc's posting strategy and not the loose and broad clues from Day 1. He's advocating keeping the clues in mind until they become effective later in the game: a reasonable assertion.
I also think we should be using these clues to profile the mafia, rather than starting analytical arguments/trying to accuse anyone already. It seems a bit suspicious that L is already trying to paint Ace red based on the clues when all of the experienced players are saying that using day 1 clues to lynch/accuse is just stupid. Well, L did have a point Show nested quote +On February 14 2010 13:46 L wrote:
Which brings me to another point; With 20 mafia, how often do you think we'll be revisiting the same characters? Incog can't exactly include every mafia member in each day post if it's three spread to each family, then it would take 4 day posts just to show each member with 1 kill... Show nested quote +
Ace's posting style is a bit arrogant and aggressive for my tastes and I disagree that clues are essentially useless, but his point is fair. Clues, if anything, should be a helping point for our DT's and something used in the late-game
The Red army game I voted like every lynch I could to lynch Ace....Then when I got tired and blew myself up. Ace just has a very abrasive posting style... In that earlier L vs Ace argument, it's easy to put both their sides in perspective. L supports clue analysis, Ace supports behavioral analysis. Goes very good with his piss-you-off personality. Personally, I feel it may be weak to lynch Ace off the bat. Dr. H is who I'm looking at...Him and Chezinu flooding the thread.
On February 15 2010 11:29 ~OpZ~ wrote: L and Ace do this every game, it's best just to ignore them both until L starts clue analysis. That's when you pay attention to L. We all just bandwagon with Ace. They are only good when they agree. L just doesn't have the same support as Ace for some reason... In both examples, we do not see any of the illustrious clue analysis ~Opz~ is apparently praised for. All he does is talk about the arguments between Ace and L. In fact, he hasn't made a single useful post at this point contradictory to what caller said.
~Opz~ next appears on Ver's inactive list. After that, we get some of ~Opz~ clue analysis:
On February 18 2010 03:58 ~OpZ~ wrote: I give you Xelin
vs. Abomination
Seem pretty similar in my opinion. Xelin's big green guy seems like he could do some damage, like cause big holes, or, (same clue set) jump off roofs, and rip people's heads off....
Not to mention Xelin hasn't said much, not that I have either, but I been a little busy, plus I wanted to wait til day 2...
On February 18 2010 04:34 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2010 04:22 SugiuraMidori wrote: It is quite apparent, at least to me, that those few on the bottom with little posts, coincide a bunch with many of the people that the town has called out on.
Shikyo... Phrujbaz..
I am suspicious a bit of foolish, but then.. I always am, I'm just not as open about it like L and Ace are with each other.
We also observe there is an obvious gap from L to meeple. So either the top four are trying to stand out enough to not get suspected of the usual mafia inactivity, or are generally concerned townies that want to help more than anyone else in town? That in itself seems suspicious to me.
Also, how many people have been suspected from scamp down, the other slight break in post counts?
Scamp, Vivi57, Abenson, etc.
P.S. You're welcome, Lucas. Well, Shikyo's obsession with metal + the inscription on the handle of the pike? I mean, maybe that just arises from my ignorant view of most metal...
And thus we have the clue analysis which doesn't mean anything (unless you think Xelin might be mafia, which is a possiblity). ~Opz~ had yet to made a contribution to the game, and then when he was called out by Ver and his mafia buddy Caller, proceeded to do some half ass analysis to float under the radar.
Finally, he actually gives the town some somewhat useful analysis:
On February 21 2010 01:44 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +The rain poured down steadily as darkness fell over the town. Inside an old shack in a deserted part of the town, 789 was content relaxing in the quiet of his bedroom. He could hear the light rain on the top of the roof, but was jolted out of his trance when he heard some panting, a few grunts, and then a loud crash upstairs. 789’s mind raced for a moment, but he was interrupted as the whole second floor of the shack came crashing down from the weight of the water and sewage above, ending his life.
Change of rain? Old shack, but it's two story and the whole floor comes down? Panting, grunting, loud crash. This part made me think of Xelin, but not the rest. Mafia can bring down a whole floor using water and sewage? It happens rather quickly. For obvious Drainage and Sewage. Given how obvious clues have seemed. The cat obviously knocked over something. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=ScampShow nested quote + SugiuraMidori smiled, thinking about the murders that would happen tonight. But it was cold tonight, and she decided to watch the murders from her apartment instead of watching from the tower in the middle of the town. As she turned around, she noticed the light in the background floating slowly to her location. At first she thought the light to be an omen of success, but she was suddenly shocked as the charming light sped up and pierced her skin. She felt a burning sensation, followed by more attacks from the light. A few moments later, SugiuraMidori died as her heart was overloaded from shock.
It was raining earlier... Background light coming at her. Slowly. Floating, Radiant. The light was percieved as an Omen. It was charming. Also able to pierce skin. Laser? Fine pointed. Burned. The light is powerful. Given the rest of the blatanly obvious clues...Hi Shockey? (I keep championing his death, but I'd be wary of this.) Show nested quote + nemY was sitting on his second story balcony, when he saw a dark shape flying in his direction. At first, he thought it was probably a hawk hunting at night, but as the figure converged on his location, nemY noticed that the creature was much larger than he had anticipated. Panicked, he ran inside his house and closed his eyes. But nemY was not safe, and a large boulder crashed through the roof and landed a few feet away from him. He saw the figure screech as it flew overhead, blocking out the moonlight from entering the large hole now in nemY's roof. nemY breathed a sigh of relief, yet was shocked at the damage done to his house. He frantically tried to clean up the mess, fearful that the rest of the roof would cave in. But the attacker returned, dropping another rock through the roof. nemY’s life ended as he flew like a rag doll from the impact of the boulder into the splintered end of a roof beam on the other side of his house.
The hawklike creature was large, dark, and scary. Nemy closed his eyes. Mafia can drop boulders. Screeches. Nemy thought he was safe, this probably isn't important, I just like the false sense of security. =P Flew accross the house with the impact, so it was very hard. I mean, I don't think a boulder would make you bounce, but he hit the roof beam. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=ohNFor his quote. Mentions the sky, hiding, dropping. Show nested quote + At a fork in the road, one of the men took a left turn which meandered down near the river. The old shack at the end of the road looked deserted, but the man was not disturbed. He snuck closely through the shadows, making sure to blend in with the dark river behind him. The shack seemed abandoned, but the man heard some quiet singing emanating from the shack. As he approached the shack, he noticed an emaciated and pale man inside. The Mafioso didn’t feel especially playful tonight, and decided to simply get the job done. He ripped down the thin wall of the shack closest to the river, and lunged at his victim. Shikyo did not move a muscle as a dull fork flew toward his face and plunged into his left temple. However, the killer was shocked to see two bombs explode in the field nearby, and warily began to sneak away from the crime scene as the debris crunched below his feet. When he was but fifty yards away, he heard a large tree fall overhead, smashing the Shikyo’s shack to pieces and turning Shikyo to pulp.
Leisurely. Comfortable. Sneaky, Hides to blend in with the river. He heard singing? (maybe this one is oHn? Who's the pic in Redtooth's profile? Madnessmen to.) ohn's music is trance. Pale man. Too the point. Wtf, ripping walls open again? Near the river side. Where'd the fork come from? Fork, It's dull? He's heavy. Crunching debris. How'd the tree fall? Was it planned? I dunno....Gotta be at work in 18 minutes. I'll come back to do the rest later. I get off in 8 hours though, 12 - 8.
Typical mafia plan. Come in when people are talking about you, make a few posts, disappear again (let's also note that he was already saying things previously mentioned, he didn't bring up any new points). It's also worth to note that this post came after he makes his analysis:
On February 21 2010 03:20 Caller wrote: ~Opz always has good clue analysis. This is something that people should really, really pay attention too -_-
I find it interesting that Caller keeps saying ~Opz~ has good clue analysis, even BEFORE ~Opz~ has even done any the entire game. Knowing Caller and his fanatics he pulls during games, it seems reasonable to assume this is Caller backing up his mafia buddy. When Caller makes his list where he labels all the remaining people, ~Opz~ appears green. No surprise there.
The next point, many many people have called out ~Opz~ as mafia, and these many many people are all dead innocents (this list includes Ver and iaaan and Fishball). Typical mafia plan is to kill people who are suspicious of you. This can be seen in the recent game hosted by Qatol and Ver. Pyrry was mafia, first day Caller and myself both called him out as mafia, and the two of us died first night.
Outside of that ~Opz~ has flown under the radar. In fact, many people who make a list of every person and labels them has left ~Opz~ out (seemingly because they forgot he was in the game. By comparison, these lists usually do not include tredmasta as well). These lists are made from people such as L, Ver, Sugiura, Caller, etc.
The last point, which is where the hard evidence stacks up, is that ~Opz~ has always voted for an innocent to by lynched, with the exception of QS. QS was getting bandwagoned so hard, it's very likely his entire team was voting for him, because nothing could save him since he got rolechecked. Since then, ~Opz~ has always voted for innocents up to and including: redtooth, nemY, iaaan, amber[light].
To summarize, ~Opz~ has had inconsistent posts in the thread. Nearly all his posts have been useless; he has never contributed to the town's effort. He has suspiciously had the support of Caller all game long (even before he was posting much). On top of that, he only comes in to post when called out, or to say a sentence or two then disappear. Lastly, he has been voting as if he were mafia.
LYNCH ~OPZ~
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On March 01 2010 15:23 Vivi57 wrote: wow that's a long post foolishness
I was actually planning on waiting till the day was over then calling for a nightkill of opz. In my mind, his random vote on drH then switching it randomly really soon after is a really good piece of evidence. At first glance, it looks like it distances himself from drH so that when either is killed, they won't be associated, but a deeper look tells otherwise. They just want you to *think* that when in reality, his attempt of separating himself from his fellow scum has failed miserably.
I opted to put scamp and ohn as innocent because I don't think they would mess with their kp this late in the game.
Yes, but it needs to be done. Chezinu is only giving us so much information right now (although killing Opz does not go against anything he has says). We need to crack down on the mafia now, not later.
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On March 01 2010 15:44 Vivi57 wrote: also, it's probably a bad idea to vote for a mafia member then vote *with* him for your other vote
I suppose you are right. I'm just voting for who I think is mafia right now. I know Chez has been suspicious of Shockeyy and I have as well, that's why I have voted for him. But seeing your logic, this might prove Shockeyy innocent (assuming of course that Opz is mafia). I'm going to leave my vote for now but it'll most likely change as the day progresses.
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On March 01 2010 19:11 Scamp wrote: Hey Foolishness, guess what? I just went through all of your posts and it seems to me that the case you made against Opz applies to yourself as well.
Opz made half-ass contributions to the game? Your contributions consist of the last second voting analysis and often stating "NO ONE CARES." By the way, what happened to that analysis? Way to bring it up and then never go back to it again.
Mafia plan: Come in when people are talking about you, make a few posts, disappear again. This is what you said, this is also what you've done. Maybe not to the extent where you only show when people are talking about you, but I noticed Ver pegging you on a small list of Sumiyoshi suspects.
Mafia plan: Kill people who are suspicious of you. Well guess who was killed: Ver. And guess who used Ver's analysis post-death as a reason to go after tree.hugger: You. Interesting. And guess who Ver suspected: You.
Your whole argument against Opz revolves around what Caller said way back early in the game. It really seems to me that Caller was talking about Opz in previous games, but you took it and made a really long argument with it about how he was expected to provide clue analysis. Because one person said so. The only part that seems clear to me is that Opz needs to participate more. That's pretty much it. Except perhaps the voting record.
So Opz hasn't voted for anyone that's mafia with the exception of Quickstriker. Guess who else fits that profile? You. Technically you get points for voting QS over redtooth, and I guess you voted for Bill Murray for mayor despite him not having a snowball's chance at that point. But you still have a highly suspicious record that now needs to be addressed.
Finally, you never explained why you voted for me yesterday other than to say that I'm more likely to be mafia over L and Chezinu. That's not what's wrong. You also mentioned MULTIPLE TIMES that L is CLEARLY INNOCENT and apparently you're trying to brush by that fact. You also were asked MULTIPLE TIMES by me to clarify HOW CHEZINU HAS PROVEN HIMSELF and you've just not addressed that at all.
Also nice contribution by telling J-spazz to just stop posting when he brought something up against Shockeyy.
So let's face it.....you really don't have the right to accuse someone like this when there's a lot of things you simply haven't addressed that have come up against you. I'd like an explanation please.
I can see where you are coming from and why you might think these things. However let me assure you that the cases between Opz and myself are drastically different. For one, you're basically calling me out as the GF since Chezinu inspected me and got townie (and if you still don't believe him then me trying to convince you is useless, so please let me know so I don't waste my time).
My voting record is in no way suspicious compared to this guys. You even mentioned it yourself. Truth is, I didn't think L was mafia, and I didn't want to lynch L because Chezinu told me not to (if you want, I can provide some PM's that would illustrate this point). Apparently Chezinu figured out L was mafia, but thought L was better left alive for now (probably until the numbers evened out). He failed to mention that to me so I was just pushing not to lynch L. To be honest, you convinced me of your innocence yesterday in your defense when people were accusing you. But I was given a choice between lynching you and L, and Chez told me we needed to keep L alive.
Yes, Ver pegged me in a small post of analysis. Well guess what? At this point in the game, nearly everyone has been pegged at some point or another (even Ohn, who the fuck is he?). But I have been way more active than Opz has, especially when it comes to PMing people, you can confirm that with Chez. And most of the reason I haven't posted anything to this effect was because I thought Chezinu had things under control behind the scenes. Well, turns out he doesn't. I was trying to help him out through all this and I figured he knew what he was doing. From what I understand, people are being incredibly stubborn with him and it's clear he does not have things under his grasp.
And the voting analysis I brought up was to show the town that redtooth was innocent way back when (or to help prove his innocence I should say). In my eyes it was clear that doubting he was a medic was foolish, and I didn't want to lynch our mayor medic.
I hope this has cleared some things up. I do have to run and will be back in a few hours so please let me know if I missed anything or can further clarify things. I understand your concern but at this point the town really needs to cooperate in order to win this.
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On March 02 2010 01:32 Scamp wrote: Yes, please provide PMs that illustrate the point of Chez telling you not to lynch L.
anything not bold is PM's from Chez, I labeled who said them for clarity
(Chezinu) I want L to live. I used my abilities.
----------------------------------------- Original Message: (Foolishness) Do you know who you are going to rolecheck tonight? I have a few thoughts if you'd like input (although at this point a gazillion people have already given themself away).
Do you think we should kill L tomorrow? I'm pretty sure he's innocent but I'm worried since pardoner ability can screw up the town.
Also this
(Chezinu) Anyways, I said that I was holding L hostage constantly throughout the thread.
----------------------------------------- Original Message: (Foolishness) Ugh wish you would've told me that >.<
----------------------------------------- Original Message: (Chezinu) I figured he was mafia. I was holding him hostage and I gave him my rolecheck so that gambino could finally get a kill.
----------------------------------------- Original Message: (Foolishness) Did you think he was mafia? -_- Hot damn I was PMing people during the last day telling them to take their votes off of him.
If you inspect someone and find a sumiyoshi, make sure to post it right away. We need to do some serious number balancing.
And I guess Chezinu did say he wanted L as hostage in the thread, obviously nobody took it to heart
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On March 02 2010 03:48 Scamp wrote: Wow, those PMs make you look guilty of being mafia in my opinion.
If a gazillion people have given themselves away, why are you only focusing on Opz?
And aren't you even the least bit offended that of the people left Vivi only thinks that Malongo is worthy of being a GF?
HEY EVERYBODY! IF FOOLISHNESS SENT YOU A PM TELLING YOU TO TAKE YOUR VOTE OFF OF L, PLEASE POST IT NOW.
Because I think Opz looks the most guilty. I will happily make another post in a very similar fashion about sidesprang, abenson, shockeyy, xelin, you. Truth is, I was waiting for Chezinu's opinion on who we should be lynching, but he won't tell me anything because he's overly paranoid.
Are you still upset that I voted for you yesterday? I was under the assumption that Chez had things under control and knew what he was doing. Well guess what, he doesn't. That's why I made this post about Opz, because Chez does not have things under control and is also not posting much of an opinion about who to lynch (probably because he has his hands full behind the scenes).
Right now, Vivi is the only person besides me (and maybe Chez) who is doing anything beneficial to the town (and I guess you are too with your questioning of me). Why? Because he's actively posting his opinion about the remaining townspeople, and besides him I'm the only one doing so. We need the town to be actively posting their thoughts right now since it will be easy to weed out the mafia.
The thing is, it doesn't matter who the GF is at this point. Right now, everyone is overly paranoid about who or what the GF is doing. Well I've got good news, I saved a bunch of money on my car insurance by switching to Geico we don't need to kill the GF to win. Right now we need to kill two sumiyoshi mafia, and there are still 6 out there (5 excluding the GF). It's not a big deal about finding the GF.
And I'm not criticizing you about questioning me. In fact it's very good that you're questioning me and not just blindly agreeing with what I say, because we need people to talk and we need discussion. I was hardly saying anything yesterday because Chez implied he had things under control. I switched my vote off of you to Amber when he did as well (Yes I know I didn't switch it again to Cynan when he did).
And just to let you know, you are saying my activity/inactivity and posting (and somewhat my voting) is also mafia like. Well, yours is too. That's originally why people were suspicious of you outside any clue analysis. That's why I originally voted for you. But you were active yesterday and posting with reason, and it became clear you were not mafia, and if you are mafia, you sure fooled me well.
Right now, Chez won't tell me anything. I'm not going to sit by and hope he gets things under control. The town can still win this.
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On March 01 2010 21:09 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2010 03:20 Caller wrote:On February 21 2010 01:44 ~OpZ~ wrote:The rain poured down steadily as darkness fell over the town. Inside an old shack in a deserted part of the town, 789 was content relaxing in the quiet of his bedroom. He could hear the light rain on the top of the roof, but was jolted out of his trance when he heard some panting, a few grunts, and then a loud crash upstairs. 789’s mind raced for a moment, but he was interrupted as the whole second floor of the shack came crashing down from the weight of the water and sewage above, ending his life.
Change of rain? Old shack, but it's two story and the whole floor comes down? Panting, grunting, loud crash. This part made me think of Xelin, but not the rest. Mafia can bring down a whole floor using water and sewage? It happens rather quickly. For obvious Drainage and Sewage. Given how obvious clues have seemed. The cat obviously knocked over something. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=Scamp SugiuraMidori smiled, thinking about the murders that would happen tonight. But it was cold tonight, and she decided to watch the murders from her apartment instead of watching from the tower in the middle of the town. As she turned around, she noticed the light in the background floating slowly to her location. At first she thought the light to be an omen of success, but she was suddenly shocked as the charming light sped up and pierced her skin. She felt a burning sensation, followed by more attacks from the light. A few moments later, SugiuraMidori died as her heart was overloaded from shock.
It was raining earlier... Background light coming at her. Slowly. Floating, Radiant. The light was percieved as an Omen. It was charming. Also able to pierce skin. Laser? Fine pointed. Burned. The light is powerful. Given the rest of the blatanly obvious clues...Hi Shockey? (I keep championing his death, but I'd be wary of this.) nemY was sitting on his second story balcony, when he saw a dark shape flying in his direction. At first, he thought it was probably a hawk hunting at night, but as the figure converged on his location, nemY noticed that the creature was much larger than he had anticipated. Panicked, he ran inside his house and closed his eyes. But nemY was not safe, and a large boulder crashed through the roof and landed a few feet away from him. He saw the figure screech as it flew overhead, blocking out the moonlight from entering the large hole now in nemY's roof. nemY breathed a sigh of relief, yet was shocked at the damage done to his house. He frantically tried to clean up the mess, fearful that the rest of the roof would cave in. But the attacker returned, dropping another rock through the roof. nemY’s life ended as he flew like a rag doll from the impact of the boulder into the splintered end of a roof beam on the other side of his house.
The hawklike creature was large, dark, and scary. Nemy closed his eyes. Mafia can drop boulders. Screeches. Nemy thought he was safe, this probably isn't important, I just like the false sense of security. =P Flew accross the house with the impact, so it was very hard. I mean, I don't think a boulder would make you bounce, but he hit the roof beam. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=ohNFor his quote. Mentions the sky, hiding, dropping. At a fork in the road, one of the men took a left turn which meandered down near the river. The old shack at the end of the road looked deserted, but the man was not disturbed. He snuck closely through the shadows, making sure to blend in with the dark river behind him. The shack seemed abandoned, but the man heard some quiet singing emanating from the shack. As he approached the shack, he noticed an emaciated and pale man inside. The Mafioso didn’t feel especially playful tonight, and decided to simply get the job done. He ripped down the thin wall of the shack closest to the river, and lunged at his victim. Shikyo did not move a muscle as a dull fork flew toward his face and plunged into his left temple. However, the killer was shocked to see two bombs explode in the field nearby, and warily began to sneak away from the crime scene as the debris crunched below his feet. When he was but fifty yards away, he heard a large tree fall overhead, smashing the Shikyo’s shack to pieces and turning Shikyo to pulp.
Leisurely. Comfortable. Sneaky, Hides to blend in with the river. He heard singing? (maybe this one is oHn? Who's the pic in Redtooth's profile? Madnessmen to.) ohn's music is trance. Pale man. Too the point. Wtf, ripping walls open again? Near the river side. Where'd the fork come from? Fork, It's dull? He's heavy. Crunching debris. How'd the tree fall? Was it planned? I dunno....Gotta be at work in 18 minutes. I'll come back to do the rest later. I get off in 8 hours though, 12 - 8. ~Opz always has good clue analysis. This is something that people should really, really pay attention too -_- Even your timing was wrong when you quoted me. Caller said I had good clue analysis sarcastically in the SAME POST HE QUOTED ME WHERE I DID CLUE ANALYSIS. Logical consistency there. Amirite?
Caller stated you had good clue analysis twice in this game. One occurred before you had even done any, and the other (the one you quoted) appeared after.
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On March 01 2010 21:05 ~OpZ~ wrote: That Bull shit...I posted some analysis before Caller said listen to me. I even posted afterward saying "Thanks for the sarcasm Caller" which you clearly ignored also. Want me to find those posts, since you conveniently left them out?
Caller's post was clearly taken out of context, due to SARCASM. He wanted my post to be ignored, so I clearly still believe Xelin to be mafia. He qualifies for EVERYTHING you've said of me, EXCEPT he has yet to make any clue analysis to help further the us.
I haven't even came in when people were talking about me. I work on weekends, almost all of my posts have EXCLUSIVELY been on week days and Sunday. I didn't state this, but it seems more scummy. Dr. H was clearly mafia, reread his posts. They all seemed EXTRAORDINARILY suspicious. I didn't champion his death, but I certainly figured he was mafia from the beginning.
I don't think I've been connected to a single clue, and I challenge anyone to do that. Find a decent thematic clue that points to me. And I still argue right now, that Xelin is mafia, and he is Abomination.
Iaaan and the tuning fork, that was also my analysis, I just PM'd it to Spazz because I figured if Iaaan was on his team he wouldn't post it, and that would tell everyone. (Not to mention he would probably be dead anyway): If Iaaan was mafia: A) Iaaan was Gambino (Spazz not posting) B) Iaaan was Sumi (spazz posting)
Apparently it was good enough to convince Johnny, Cynan, and the other Gambino to kill Iaaan last night. Sorry it was failure, but who else uses dull forks? L even believed Iaaan to possibly of been GF based on it, and the fact that nearly every blue has died this game.
I think Foolishness and Vivi are mafia now, trying to bus me. Don't fall for this fellow townies.
Chezinu has inspected both Vivi and myself, and has gotten both townies. You really think we're both mafia working together? Vivi hasn't even voted for you. Unless you think Chezinu is lying about being a DT (that would probably make him mafia as well right?)
Yeah, it really seems very probable that Chez, vivi, and myself are all mafia.
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On March 02 2010 05:25 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2010 05:15 Foolishness wrote:On March 01 2010 21:05 ~OpZ~ wrote: That Bull shit...I posted some analysis before Caller said listen to me. I even posted afterward saying "Thanks for the sarcasm Caller" which you clearly ignored also. Want me to find those posts, since you conveniently left them out?
Caller's post was clearly taken out of context, due to SARCASM. He wanted my post to be ignored, so I clearly still believe Xelin to be mafia. He qualifies for EVERYTHING you've said of me, EXCEPT he has yet to make any clue analysis to help further the us.
I haven't even came in when people were talking about me. I work on weekends, almost all of my posts have EXCLUSIVELY been on week days and Sunday. I didn't state this, but it seems more scummy. Dr. H was clearly mafia, reread his posts. They all seemed EXTRAORDINARILY suspicious. I didn't champion his death, but I certainly figured he was mafia from the beginning.
I don't think I've been connected to a single clue, and I challenge anyone to do that. Find a decent thematic clue that points to me. And I still argue right now, that Xelin is mafia, and he is Abomination.
Iaaan and the tuning fork, that was also my analysis, I just PM'd it to Spazz because I figured if Iaaan was on his team he wouldn't post it, and that would tell everyone. (Not to mention he would probably be dead anyway): If Iaaan was mafia: A) Iaaan was Gambino (Spazz not posting) B) Iaaan was Sumi (spazz posting)
Apparently it was good enough to convince Johnny, Cynan, and the other Gambino to kill Iaaan last night. Sorry it was failure, but who else uses dull forks? L even believed Iaaan to possibly of been GF based on it, and the fact that nearly every blue has died this game.
I think Foolishness and Vivi are mafia now, trying to bus me. Don't fall for this fellow townies.
Chezinu has inspected both Vivi and myself, and has gotten both townies. You really think we're both mafia working together? Vivi hasn't even voted for you. Unless you think Chezinu is lying about being a DT (that would probably make him mafia as well right?) Yeah, it really seems very probable that Chez, vivi, and myself are all mafia. lol, you must be lying.. The Gambinos would never kill us.. That would only help them kill town even further. Remember, they are on our team now. We are only fighting one mafia now. So shouldn't we be open now? The Gambinos are now the new leaders of the Circle. They are the ones who need to organize the town and medics protect them! We have slim chances of killing two S mafia today. But if we at least get one, then our two medics can double protect one of the Gambinos and then the S mafia have to try and find our medics next lynch instead of killing Gambinos and they will have to guess which gambino we are protecting. Minimum requirement of town right now: Kill at least one S mafia. If you are a medic and protected someone, then you protected an S mafia target (that means that they are unlikely S mafia so I would trust who you protected).
That's kinda my point here. There's no reason that Vivi, Malongo, or myself should be lynched no matter how suspicious because they have turned up clean to rolecheck. Taking potshots at us hoping one of us is the GF is diminishing our chances of hitting two sumiyoshi today. Even if one of us is the GF (which I highly doubt) we still have 5 mafia to choose from the remaining 9? players (I think I counted correctly although I'll double check). Much better odds than crap shooting at the confirmed innocents.
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On March 02 2010 05:52 Versatile wrote: i take back what i said about madnessman not posting, saw a post of his a few pages back. still reads like mafia though.
Yeah but that's only one small post. Days ago, he was actually posting somewhat frequently. Now he's just mia. Not helping the town there either.
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On March 02 2010 07:36 johnnyspazz wrote: If you're the medic that saved me, PM me!
Seriously, if the medic hasn't contacted you yet, get on that shit asap.
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On March 02 2010 10:38 Versatile wrote: yes, let's lynch me and waste an actual sumi lynch, scamp. that's smart.
the very fact that i've had no support from any player in any way throughout this entire game should tell you something; i have no allies.
in the event that sumiyoshi win, they have very little to be proud of seeing as how there's been a ridiculous amount of idiocy on both town and gambino side.
It seems to me very little of the players alive right now have had support throughout this game. Outside of the obvious Chez, Opz stands out as one of these players (had constant support from a sumiyoshi Caller), which I mentioned in my analysis.
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On March 02 2010 22:27 XeliN wrote: Since when did you get the right to dictate who will and won't die?
I'm not entirely sure in the double lynch mostly because it does not seem many people have a clear reasoned idea as to who should be voted for and in situations like that it just makes it easier for the mafia to manipulate the voting.
although you are probably right in the time frame, the sumiyoshi are looking like they have won this unless something drastic happens and fast.
Yes, and that drastic thing is killing sumiyoshi in our double lynches. If we can take out two we actually have a chance of winning.
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On March 02 2010 08:52 Incognito wrote: Vote count:
Abenson: (4) Chezinu
Vivi57
Versatile dozko johnnyspazz ~Opz~
Sidesprang: (5) Chezinu Vivi57 johnnyspazz Abenson Scamp
XeliN: (2) Vivi57 dozko
Malongo: (0)
Vivi57
Versatile
ohN: 2) ~OpZ~ Scamp
ShoCkeyy: (2) ~OpZ~ Foolishness
~OpZ~: (2) Foolishness
Versatile Abenson
Foolishness: (1) Versatile ~Opz~
johnnyspazz: (1) Xelin
Chezinu: (1) Xelin
Abstain: (2)
johnnyspazz x2 (by default) Malongo x2 (by default; Chile Earthquake)
Double Lynch: (5/18) ~OpZ~ Vivi57 johnnyspazz Foolishness Scamp
Non-Voters: Everyone else
Voting ends in approximately 24 hours. If there are any mistakes here please let me know.
I updated the voting. Kinda worried with the almost bandwagon on sidesprang. Remember to vote for double lynch guys!
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On March 03 2010 02:26 XeliN wrote: As for foolishness I am somewhat confused on him, did he not PM people to persuade them not to vote for L. L turned out to be Gambino which is evidence against the idea of Foolish being sumiyoshi although it is still possible. Although given how Chezinu seems to me likely to be mafia I have to assume he would be sumiyoshi if this were the case as otherwise there would simply be more votes to lynch him (votes from sumiyoshi members) This seems to me to show that Chezinu is either Sumiyoshi or the detective, and even if he were the detective I would expect sumiyoshi members to try to kill him. Unless he is a townie detective working with the sumiyoshi which in itself would be enough to lynch him.
Am I wrong in any of this thinking, please give thoughts on the matter, townies only, no sumiyoshi posting allowed for at least the next 10 posts xD
I did PM people to persuade them not to kill L. Abenson just vouched for me. If you think I didn't because you didn't get a PM, it's because you hadn't voted for L at the time. I didn't mass send out the PM like L did earlier in the game when he killed redtooth, that's not my style. I only PM people who I think can be convinced.
How can you guys doubt that Chezinu is the DT? We still going on about this? The inactivity in the town right now and lack of voting shows we are probably not voting for the right people. If you look back at my first mafia game (pyrry was host) the town was in the exact same predicament as right now (we needed to lynch two mafia otherwise it was game over). I called out two people as mafia (one was l10f as I recall) and nobody wanted to believe me about it. The town was further inactive besides a few people and the votes were piled on to two people without any changes. Needless to say a townie got lynched and the mafia won soon after. You guys are only repeating history here.
And yes while it is possible for me to be a GF, I'm the only one here pointing out the facts and trying to save this town (Chez is working behind the scenes I'm sure). Versatile's posting above is just him saying "I know who's mafia I'm right and you're wrong". No facts or anything. I'm probably going to lol when one of abenson or sidesprang turns up innocent (if they were both mafia, don't you think at least one of them would be trying to defend themselves in the thread?)
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On March 03 2010 03:10 Versatile wrote: last post for a little bit, but based on analysis, only one of abenson and sidesprang are mafia. i suspect sidesprang is innocent and getting bandwagoned. so, we need to switch him out for a confirmed mafia. NOTE: i would prefer both of them being swapped out for foolishness and johnny, but i don't think that's feasible at this point. therefore, i suggest foolishness for sidesprang, since somehow some of you have decided johnnyspazz is worth saving.
Well I'm glad someone else noticed this. But honestly the rest of your post is ridiculous. And what lie to Scamp catch me in? I explained everything to him. You're taking pot shots at confirmed innocents because you really feel I'm the GF. Even if Chez has inspected the GF already, there's still 5 mafia out there to kill. There's no need to figure out who the GF is at this point. We don't even have to kill him to win, all we got to do is find the other 5 mafia.
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On March 03 2010 05:52 ~OpZ~ wrote: We need three more votes for double lynch. If you don't for it, you are pretty much clearly mafia.
There's only 15 players alive, so we only need 8 votes. But yes, vote for double lynch.
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On March 03 2010 10:47 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2010 10:44 XeliN wrote:On March 03 2010 09:39 dozko wrote: omfg i cant believe that the town's gonna win this.
talking through the plan for a day and then on the last minute 50% go inactive, fucking swell. No madness dozko being Mafia is quite obvious, only other hypothetical is he wrote what he did just to fuck about and troll whilst actually being town which seems unlikely. Also without further information, it would be a mistake not to follow up by killing foolishness and madnessman simply on the voting, however there are complications such as Foolishness PMing to protect L(who turned out Gambino), but this seems the most prudent thing to do. I totally didn't tell foolish the truth about L's role. lol
Yeah now you come out about it. You guys think I've been misleading you this whole time but I haven't.
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