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i didn't notice that i was painted red on that list as I was busy doing things last night.
in this game setup I do not feel like roleclaiming as medic is as bad as it would be in nearly any other setup, as all 3 factions will potentially have a need for you at one point
I didn't realize I vote swapped even more than chezinu, but if he was doing it for the same reasons I was, he is probably innocent. Being green, you really don't know who to side with (at least I don't), and when people make good points and act in a certain way they will draw your votes. There was a time when I felt like there weren't any good candidates anymore, and I actually abstained.
I voted for redtooth so he couldn't be pardoner. I was the last person to vote, and I was making certain that he wouldn't be able to pardon ace if ace was red and got lynched... although he will probably die in 3 hours? but then again they might mistake me for red if they aren't the brightest crayons in the box. maybe i'll be dead. we'll see.
to all of you blindly following advise on who to protect: don't.
It would be better to not protect anyone than to be protecting a mafia member and tipping the scale in the favor of the other family.
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It would be better to not protect anyone than to be protecting a mafia member and tipping the scale in the favor of the other family.
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roleclaiming medic could potentially be bad, in the middle game, but noone is dumb enough to kill the only thing that could save your family later...
i'd say find a good argument , but there isn't one if you really think about it.
both mafias can't afford to lose them right now
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On February 17 2010 06:32 Scamp wrote:
This whole "tipping the scale" thing really isn't a problem at all.
I wish you guys would stop fear-mongering. We take out as many mafia as we can to start the game.
When did I ever say I don't want to kill mafia? Don't put words into my mouth.
I am saying that mafia won't hit medics because they can't afford to lose them, and they can't afford to waste hits.
they can't afford to lose them because of late game scenarios and they will try to use any opportunity to steal away the towns protection and protect their own members from getting hits put on them from the other mafia.
the mafia can't afford to waste their hits on people that they don't know aren't mafia, or people that they don't at least suspect. the mafia's goal is obviously to eliminate the other mafia while not getting reduced to a critical number theirselves.
that being said, with 10 mafia members on either side, i am all for killing anyone who is red right now.
we're 0/1, though, so let's try to do some better analysis next time.
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On February 17 2010 06:39 LucasWoJ wrote:
No, RC'ing medic at any stage of the game is bad. There is no difference between someone who's known to be a medic at the beginning of the game or one at the end. Both can be used in whatever way each mafia family sees best for them at any stage of the game (whether that be at the beginning or at the end). The town has the advantage of being able to stall until we've killed eight from both sides. Why not keep that advantage?
You're argument doesn't really make sense, BM.
you're saying that the mafia will be able to use them if they come into the spotlight?
that's the time they WON'T get benefits from them.
I would contend that YOUR argument makes no sense.
If medics will not be killed for roleclaiming, they can roleclaim.
Mafia A could need the medics later on to survive.
Mafia B could need the medics later on to survive.
The town could need the medics later on to survive.
Mafia A can not lynch the medics to lower its KP and in case it needs to survive later.
Mafia B can not lynch the medics to lower its KP and in case it needs to survive later.
The town can not lynch the medics because they need to keep both mafias alive.
The medics will not be killed.
It is OK to roleclaim to be a medic.
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On February 17 2010 06:45 citi.zen wrote:Not related to anything, but perhaps funny enough to share here: my first ever post to Bill was on the TL Chess Game 2 against lightman last year, when he (surprisingly!) wasn't making much sense: Show nested quote +On December 12 2009 01:52 citi.zen wrote:
Bill Murray = lightman's agent infiltrated on our team :-)
NOBODY CARES!
lol i do, funny post, but the fact that i'm bad at chess has nothing to do with this
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you'd be more clear if you posted it logically
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or refuted any of what i said
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i understand that in a VERY UNLIKELY scenario it can be bad, so don't use that again please.
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err, not true. The following is an extremely simplified situation during which a "legit medic" would be hit.
Mafia 1 - 1 person left. Known to be mafia
Mafia 2 - 2 people left
i mean you said one out of 3 out of 51 (medics in this game [probably])
and 2 out of 10 out of 51 mafia a
and 1 out of 10 out of 51 mafia b
that doesn't seem very likely to me
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who would you suggest for medic protection, redtooth?
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when you were saying "don't worry about chezinu", i took it as "chezinu is mostly harmless"
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i just dont see how it can be detrimental for medics to roleclaim, and until someone gives me a likely scenario in which it is bad, i will continue to believe
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it's a race with or without the medics, though.
i can see them wanting to kill them if they drop below a certain point, like 3 goons vs 4.
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i would want them to claim now so they don't all overlap protection, but i don't see it happening, so please protect wisely.
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On February 17 2010 08:29 Ace wrote:
Don't have much time, but Townies listen to Scamp and LucaWoj. Under NO circumstances should anyone reveal they are a medic. Those are our trump cards because whichever side is "winning" the shooutout can't be allowed to run wild.
Bill Murray you're actually one of my top 3 suspects now. No purely because of the spam, but because you've been wrong multiple times. Not even Amber[light] or Vivi57 have missed this many times in a single game. Feels as though you're trying to pull off the clueless role.
Redtooth Chezinu isn't a confirmed DT. Don't get why you are protecting him unless you feel he's the only credible pro-town player at the moment?
Also I forgot if it was you that made the "DTs can safely claim" post, and since I'm about to leave I can't check. But if anyone checks this information out and see that you made the argument, or supported it you're getting lynched tomorrow. That would show a huge contradiction in what you said and then your decision to protect Chezinu. Of course I hope that's not the case ^_^
I'll be playing for real from now on. Let's hope I don't die tonight ^_^
If I'm one of your top 3 suspects, all those "veteran" things being said are thrown out the window. You think I'm red, Ver thinks i'm blue, and in fact I am green. lol
I have a PM of him saying he thinks I'm blue, and you just put me on your top 3 suspects? LOL
really?
I'm flattered, but no. I should be in the bottom 3 suspects, because I really am clueless as to who is mafia right now, and have noone to trust personally.
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Let's hope I don't die tonight
P.S. I hope you do die tonight, because you are most likely red, and if you are not, you are really making bad analysis if you think that I am a suspect so you are hurting the town.
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I'm not an idiot, but I am green, so why should I be a suspect?
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are you trying to get the medics to protect me because you know i'm not on your mafia's hit list?
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without detectives all we have are behavioral analysis and voting patterns, right?
i don't see why a detective would roleclaim, they would get killed so fast, see: the last game i played
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