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On February 16 2010 07:07 789 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2010 06:57 d3_crescentia wrote:On February 16 2010 06:28 L wrote:
Nikoner, not killing someone day 1 is generally a box of dumb. Even if it makes me look bad, its better to have 100% confirmable information for the town to work with regarding associations and whatnot.
My only fear is that ZERO people have pushed back against my claim against emp, and a number of people have tagged along well after i took pains to make it clear i wasn't dropping the accusation. Either one of the mafia teams is using him as a sacrifice to get, say, ver, to look good by supporting my position, or emp is green/blue and afk like a moron. Given his vote, it would seem that he isn't afk, which leads me to believe that killing him will at least give me some information. I'm actually more worried about how much information regarding clue interpretation for this game I can glean from a red or green flip than anything else.
Like i said; Grow some fucking balls. L, I'll nibble... only a bit. The clues we have regarding Emp are that his name has links to light, fire and heaven, but it seems to me that "thinking that an angel had saved the town" is more a manner of speech; a being masked by light is not necessarily the same as an angelic being. Consider BloodyCobbler's profile - plenty of blue-ish light in there, and it seems that he was eager to set you up as super-eager to lynch Ace. I'm curious as to why no one's focusing on the hyena-laughter/psychopathic noises. Madnessman feels pretty red-herring to me, but who else could it be? I think you have a good point with BC, that's another potential fit for the last killer. I've looked into the laughter and the noises and got nothing. The hyena like laughter came up at one point during the last mafia game we played - but it didn't seem to fit anyone in that game. The people who were mafia in that game and are in this game are: DrH Mystlord Phrujbaz It still doesn't seem to fit any of the 3. Though I'll be honest I haven't for the life of me been able to find out what Phrujbaz means.
From Mystlords profile:
![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/userfiles/38753.jpg?1265874875)
The girl appears to be laughing from atop a roof, which is the location of the killer in the scenario. Interestingly enough, the town is burning around her which is fitting since arson was used by other killers to get the job done. She doesn't necessarily appear to be the cause of the fire, but rather is amongst it
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On February 16 2010 07:44 redtooth wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2010 06:25 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Spamming the thread full of what shit? Posting an objective compilation of everyones arguments? Compiling voting history? Defending myself when redtooth and Ace accused me of being mafia? Finally getting Bill Murray to justify his statements? Don't put me on the same level as BM TT___TT
I guess for the time being Empyrean is our best bet. Ver did a great job of pointing out the inconsistency in his pro-town/mafia behavior from past games and the clue connection is just very very very very strong.
Redtooth did a decent job of defending himself, or at least why it doesn't make sense that he and Ace are both in the same mafia family. His argument for him and ace not being in different mafia families doesn't make sense. "Why would mafia defend a mafia from another family/not mafia"
Unless he wanted to discourage clue analysis because he fears it will hurt his mafia family, or wanted to defend Ace because regardless of Ace's role his argumentation is successfully dividing the town. If redtooth is mafia, he has no way of knowing Ace's role anyway, so saying "i wouldn't defend another families mafia" makes no sense because he doesn't know who those people are. I really doubt the mafia are going to ONLY defend one another, look what happened when I got lynched in the last game. By analyzing who I defended/supported/whose clues I ignored the entire rest of the mafia family was caught.
I'm not accusing you of being mafia redtooth, I'm just pointing out that the argument falls short.
I'm voting for L because so far his arguments have been extremely consistent, he's been trying to get the town moving/discouraging waste posts, and providing excellent clue analysis. Redtooth shouldn't have a problem with this, don't you want L as the other elected role anyway? you're right. actually that's exactly what i want you to do. i want L as mayor and i want to be pardoner. no vigilantes means pardoner is very very powerful if he is mafia. as for my argument in why it's sort of illogical for ace and me to be mafia in separate families is because consider the alternative: i could have silently held back and not brought attention to myself instead of being in the middle of controversy between the town. knowing previous games, L vs Ace was going to become a shitstorm whether i stepped in or not. instead i chose to argue a point, blew my top (admittedly more than a few times), and got into a position where my alignment was pretty damn clear. and if Ace isn't on my team (which would be the case if i was mafia and he wasn't in my family) then i would want him dead regardless of what role/alignment he was. and guys i've said this before but i genuinely believed L was full of shit. now i only think he is half shitty but i've expressed my disdain for day 1 clues enough already. so it's not about mafia ONLY defending each other. it's about a mafia risking his own neck to defend a good player that's not on his team. THAT is something that doesn't make sense. so if it doesn't make sense then that means i'm not mafia. yay we are finally caught up.
Fair point, now that is a good argument.
Why are we assuming day 1 clues are bad based off previous games? There are 20 mafia. It's highly unlikely that mafia will be getting 6 kills a night, I'd say 4 MAYBE 5 is more likely. Why?
1) Overlapping kills. The mafia are simply going to hit the same targets. Let's say, for example, Player X is green. He's been painted red by a lot of people and thus might be hit by both families. This could happen with anyone who was painted red but is not mafia of either family. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if even 2 kills overlap.
2) Smart medics. While mafia might avoid really big targets early on because they will be protected by medics, medics who are able to anticipate mafia goals will help reduce kills.
With 20 mafia, let's assume we get 5 hits a day. We don't see overlapping clues until DAY SIX
DAY SIX
If everyone feels uncomfortable with Day 1 clue analysis just based on previous experience, I guess there isnt really anything I can say. But let's please not ignore clues on Day 2. If someone makes an accusation based on clues at you, provide an alternative. Simply saying "day 1 clues are trash" isn't enough, especially when you aren't addressing the point of just how many mafia there are in this game and how strong clues need to be.
Also redtooth, I'd like you to clear something up for me. I found a mildly disturbing inconsistency in your arguments. While L was painting Ace red based on clues you said clue analysis on day 1 is trash; that's fine.
You also said the clues pointing to ace specifically were shaky and not well thought-out. Then merely a few posts later you said that the clues pointing toward Ace were so obvious/numerous he can't be mafia. Was there a change of heart here? what happened?
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On February 16 2010 07:55 Mystlord wrote:There's just so many useless posts that I'm having trouble picking through it all... Show nested quote +On February 16 2010 07:15 Iaaan wrote:On February 16 2010 06:57 d3_crescentia wrote:On February 16 2010 06:28 L wrote:
Nikoner, not killing someone day 1 is generally a box of dumb. Even if it makes me look bad, its better to have 100% confirmable information for the town to work with regarding associations and whatnot.
My only fear is that ZERO people have pushed back against my claim against emp, and a number of people have tagged along well after i took pains to make it clear i wasn't dropping the accusation. Either one of the mafia teams is using him as a sacrifice to get, say, ver, to look good by supporting my position, or emp is green/blue and afk like a moron. Given his vote, it would seem that he isn't afk, which leads me to believe that killing him will at least give me some information. I'm actually more worried about how much information regarding clue interpretation for this game I can glean from a red or green flip than anything else.
Like i said; Grow some fucking balls. L, I'll nibble... only a bit. The clues we have regarding Emp are that his name has links to light, fire and heaven, but it seems to me that "thinking that an angel had saved the town" is more a manner of speech; a being masked by light is not necessarily the same as an angelic being. Consider BloodyCobbler's profile - plenty of blue-ish light in there, and it seems that he was eager to set you up as super-eager to lynch Ace. I'm curious as to why no one's focusing on the hyena-laughter/psychopathic noises. Madnessman feels pretty red-herring to me, but who else could it be? To add onto why empyrean might not be the best choice; no one is defending him. If he were mafia, him family wouldn't want him dead, it doesn't seem like sacrificing him would really benefit his family. You would think that if he were mafia, at least someone would try to defend him. It could be a calculated sacrifice. If town is convinced that someone is mafia, mafia would be unwilling to put up a strong defense of that person without seeming scummy. We might see a light defense though. Also, there's just not that much to defend for him. He hasn't spoken one. freaking. word. As for my profile pic, nothing to say. It's a solid connection to the clues, and I won't blame you if you end up lynching me based off of that. Oh, and another point about Empyrean... Where do we go from his lynch? Are we just lynching to help out the other mafia family or what? I might be a bit ignorant in this, so I'd like to get this cleared up before I'm fully on board with the Empyrean lynch. It seems more like a dead end to me. If he truly is mafia, why not let a mafia family waste a kill on him?
The one thing that makes me hesitant about lynching you on clues is that there are so many elements from the scenario.
1) A spear
2) Laughing psychoatph
3) Fire
4) Rooftop
5) Moon
6) Shadows/darkness
etc. etc. etc. etc.
With that many red herrings, it's possible it was written to throw false suspicion on you. However, imo, speculation about Incognito's thought process in writing these or why he placed what where isn't helpful. Only Incognito and possibly flamewheel know what the thought process is in drafting these clues, we can only speculate on the clues themselves.
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On February 16 2010 08:05 sidesprang wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2010 07:56 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 16 2010 07:44 redtooth wrote:On February 16 2010 06:25 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Spamming the thread full of what shit? Posting an objective compilation of everyones arguments? Compiling voting history? Defending myself when redtooth and Ace accused me of being mafia? Finally getting Bill Murray to justify his statements? Don't put me on the same level as BM TT___TT
I guess for the time being Empyrean is our best bet. Ver did a great job of pointing out the inconsistency in his pro-town/mafia behavior from past games and the clue connection is just very very very very strong.
Redtooth did a decent job of defending himself, or at least why it doesn't make sense that he and Ace are both in the same mafia family. His argument for him and ace not being in different mafia families doesn't make sense. "Why would mafia defend a mafia from another family/not mafia"
Unless he wanted to discourage clue analysis because he fears it will hurt his mafia family, or wanted to defend Ace because regardless of Ace's role his argumentation is successfully dividing the town. If redtooth is mafia, he has no way of knowing Ace's role anyway, so saying "i wouldn't defend another families mafia" makes no sense because he doesn't know who those people are. I really doubt the mafia are going to ONLY defend one another, look what happened when I got lynched in the last game. By analyzing who I defended/supported/whose clues I ignored the entire rest of the mafia family was caught.
I'm not accusing you of being mafia redtooth, I'm just pointing out that the argument falls short.
I'm voting for L because so far his arguments have been extremely consistent, he's been trying to get the town moving/discouraging waste posts, and providing excellent clue analysis. Redtooth shouldn't have a problem with this, don't you want L as the other elected role anyway? you're right. actually that's exactly what i want you to do. i want L as mayor and i want to be pardoner. no vigilantes means pardoner is very very powerful if he is mafia. as for my argument in why it's sort of illogical for ace and me to be mafia in separate families is because consider the alternative: i could have silently held back and not brought attention to myself instead of being in the middle of controversy between the town. knowing previous games, L vs Ace was going to become a shitstorm whether i stepped in or not. instead i chose to argue a point, blew my top (admittedly more than a few times), and got into a position where my alignment was pretty damn clear. and if Ace isn't on my team (which would be the case if i was mafia and he wasn't in my family) then i would want him dead regardless of what role/alignment he was. and guys i've said this before but i genuinely believed L was full of shit. now i only think he is half shitty but i've expressed my disdain for day 1 clues enough already. so it's not about mafia ONLY defending each other. it's about a mafia risking his own neck to defend a good player that's not on his team. THAT is something that doesn't make sense. so if it doesn't make sense then that means i'm not mafia. yay we are finally caught up. Fair point, now that is a good argument. Why are we assuming day 1 clues are bad based off previous games? There are 20 mafia. It's highly unlikely that mafia will be getting 6 kills a night, I'd say 4 MAYBE 5 is more likely. Why? 1) Overlapping kills. The mafia are simply going to hit the same targets. Let's say, for example, Player X is green. He's been painted red by a lot of people and thus might be hit by both families. This could happen with anyone who was painted red but is not mafia of either family. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if even 2 kills overlap. 2) Smart medics. While mafia might avoid really big targets early on because they will be protected by medics, medics who are able to anticipate mafia goals will help reduce kills. With 20 mafia, let's assume we get 5 hits a day. We don't see overlapping clues until DAY SIX DAY SIXIf everyone feels uncomfortable with Day 1 clue analysis just based on previous experience, I guess there isnt really anything I can say. But let's please not ignore clues on Day 2. If someone makes an accusation based on clues at you, provide an alternative. Simply saying "day 1 clues are trash" isn't enough, especially when you aren't addressing the point of just how many mafia there are in this game and how strong clues need to be. Also redtooth, I'd like you to clear something up for me. I found a mildly disturbing inconsistency in your arguments. While L was painting Ace red based on clues you said clue analysis on day 1 is trash; that's fine. You also said the clues pointing to ace specifically were shaky and not well thought-out. Then merely a few posts later you said that the clues pointing toward Ace were so obvious/numerous he can't be mafia. Was there a change of heart here? what happened? Man your so wrong about the overlapping clues thing. If we dont see overlapping clues before day 6, it is because the mafia only hits the town. And that is not realistic. The mafia hitting 1/3 each lynch seems realistic if not to low to me. Then we have 6 dead by day 3. And already overlapping clues. Altho the mafia would prolly have overlapping hits. But my point still stands. We will see overlapping hits WAY before day 6, and if we dont we're allready doomed cause we've lost half our town 
Huh? I said we'll be seeing overlapping hits from Day 1, for sure.
I really didn't think about that. Mafia numbers will be decreasing from mafia hits, so I guess we'll probably be seeing overlapping clues around day 4ish. It depends on how successful mafia are with their hits. However, with a number of mafia this large and the probability for there to be very few actual kills per night compared to their total KP especially early on, it's gonna be a while.
The Day 1 clues seem fairly strong and unvague to me, why not analyze them?
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On February 16 2010 08:17 sidesprang wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2010 08:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 16 2010 08:05 sidesprang wrote:On February 16 2010 07:56 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 16 2010 07:44 redtooth wrote:On February 16 2010 06:25 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Spamming the thread full of what shit? Posting an objective compilation of everyones arguments? Compiling voting history? Defending myself when redtooth and Ace accused me of being mafia? Finally getting Bill Murray to justify his statements? Don't put me on the same level as BM TT___TT
I guess for the time being Empyrean is our best bet. Ver did a great job of pointing out the inconsistency in his pro-town/mafia behavior from past games and the clue connection is just very very very very strong.
Redtooth did a decent job of defending himself, or at least why it doesn't make sense that he and Ace are both in the same mafia family. His argument for him and ace not being in different mafia families doesn't make sense. "Why would mafia defend a mafia from another family/not mafia"
Unless he wanted to discourage clue analysis because he fears it will hurt his mafia family, or wanted to defend Ace because regardless of Ace's role his argumentation is successfully dividing the town. If redtooth is mafia, he has no way of knowing Ace's role anyway, so saying "i wouldn't defend another families mafia" makes no sense because he doesn't know who those people are. I really doubt the mafia are going to ONLY defend one another, look what happened when I got lynched in the last game. By analyzing who I defended/supported/whose clues I ignored the entire rest of the mafia family was caught.
I'm not accusing you of being mafia redtooth, I'm just pointing out that the argument falls short.
I'm voting for L because so far his arguments have been extremely consistent, he's been trying to get the town moving/discouraging waste posts, and providing excellent clue analysis. Redtooth shouldn't have a problem with this, don't you want L as the other elected role anyway? you're right. actually that's exactly what i want you to do. i want L as mayor and i want to be pardoner. no vigilantes means pardoner is very very powerful if he is mafia. as for my argument in why it's sort of illogical for ace and me to be mafia in separate families is because consider the alternative: i could have silently held back and not brought attention to myself instead of being in the middle of controversy between the town. knowing previous games, L vs Ace was going to become a shitstorm whether i stepped in or not. instead i chose to argue a point, blew my top (admittedly more than a few times), and got into a position where my alignment was pretty damn clear. and if Ace isn't on my team (which would be the case if i was mafia and he wasn't in my family) then i would want him dead regardless of what role/alignment he was. and guys i've said this before but i genuinely believed L was full of shit. now i only think he is half shitty but i've expressed my disdain for day 1 clues enough already. so it's not about mafia ONLY defending each other. it's about a mafia risking his own neck to defend a good player that's not on his team. THAT is something that doesn't make sense. so if it doesn't make sense then that means i'm not mafia. yay we are finally caught up. Fair point, now that is a good argument. Why are we assuming day 1 clues are bad based off previous games? There are 20 mafia. It's highly unlikely that mafia will be getting 6 kills a night, I'd say 4 MAYBE 5 is more likely. Why? 1) Overlapping kills. The mafia are simply going to hit the same targets. Let's say, for example, Player X is green. He's been painted red by a lot of people and thus might be hit by both families. This could happen with anyone who was painted red but is not mafia of either family. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if even 2 kills overlap. 2) Smart medics. While mafia might avoid really big targets early on because they will be protected by medics, medics who are able to anticipate mafia goals will help reduce kills. With 20 mafia, let's assume we get 5 hits a day. We don't see overlapping clues until DAY SIX DAY SIXIf everyone feels uncomfortable with Day 1 clue analysis just based on previous experience, I guess there isnt really anything I can say. But let's please not ignore clues on Day 2. If someone makes an accusation based on clues at you, provide an alternative. Simply saying "day 1 clues are trash" isn't enough, especially when you aren't addressing the point of just how many mafia there are in this game and how strong clues need to be. Also redtooth, I'd like you to clear something up for me. I found a mildly disturbing inconsistency in your arguments. While L was painting Ace red based on clues you said clue analysis on day 1 is trash; that's fine. You also said the clues pointing to ace specifically were shaky and not well thought-out. Then merely a few posts later you said that the clues pointing toward Ace were so obvious/numerous he can't be mafia. Was there a change of heart here? what happened? Man your so wrong about the overlapping clues thing. If we dont see overlapping clues before day 6, it is because the mafia only hits the town. And that is not realistic. The mafia hitting 1/3 each lynch seems realistic if not to low to me. Then we have 6 dead by day 3. And already overlapping clues. Altho the mafia would prolly have overlapping hits. But my point still stands. We will see overlapping hits WAY before day 6, and if we dont we're allready doomed cause we've lost half our town Huh? I said we'll be seeing overlapping hits from Day 1, for sure. I really didn't think about that. Mafia numbers will be decreasing from mafia hits, so I guess we'll probably be seeing overlapping clues around day 4ish. It depends on how successful mafia are with their hits. However, with a number of mafia this large and the probability for there to be very few actual kills per night compared to their total KP especially early on, it's gonna be a while. The Day 1 clues seem fairly strong and unvague to me, why not analyze them? yea lol, i meant to say. we will see overlapping clues WAY before day 6. And even tho i wrote wrong you should be able to see thats what i meant. I'm all for analyzing clues from day 1. As it helps building a suspect list, that we can narrow down with time. And it will create alot of discussions, so the good players can prolly pick up if someone fucks up and contradicts himself.
I agree. It seems (if anyone disagrees PLEASE state so) that the town consensus is that the lynch is far less important. Our vehicle for eliminating the mafia is going to be discussion and a great way to get that started is with clue analysis.
I really think we can find viable lynch targets through clue analysis backed up with behavioral analysis.
Regardless, the more discussion we generate the harder it will be for mafia to hide and the more obvious inactive players/"active" players saying nothing are going to become. The mafia will pick up on that and kill each other.
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On February 16 2010 08:30 Bill Murray wrote:
We have 30 minutes to save the election.
I don't expect you all to run and vote for me, although that would provide me comfort that we have a green in office, but it would be nice if we could actually try to get someone from the town in office...
why are you operating under the assumption that you've been 100% confirmed as green
here's some interesting news: you haven't been
this isn't like citi.zen in the last game who was only confirmed green to the town because you broke the rules
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On February 16 2010 08:34 redtooth wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2010 08:21 L wrote:On February 16 2010 08:19 redtooth wrote:
god damn it i said don't worry about chezinu L. I'm not worried about him. I'm worried about YOU. ok i'm going to take this as slow as possible. i never thought ace was innocent. i thought that you were wrong. i still think that you are wrong. for all the objections i've listed (clue balance issues, overtly obvious clues on a veteran mafia, day fucking one clues) you've yet to provide a counter-argument to any of them. you're counter-arguments consisted of 'well this clue is too good'. and you know what, you were acting pretty scummy. however as you explained the whole thing about the massive number of mafia i was willing to accept that maybe, just maybe, these clues might have something in them. still don't think that much crap points to Ace. do think you're on the ball with Emp (sent him in as my lynch candidate in case i somehow overtake you). however at this point i was too deep in the argument with you about how i think you shouldn't do a lynch solely based off of clues that seemed too ridiculously obvious. part of the reason why i got in so deep is because of my genuine belief that i think you are wrong, that you are jumping the gun, and that you just want to kill Ace. but let's forget Ace for now, i don't care about him anymore and can't see how you think we can be allied. so i realized that my play had shown that i am town-aligned. i didn't go around screaming "I'M BAD VOTE ME" but logically showed why my defense of Ace and attention-grabbing argument against you is either a very bad move by mafia or something a townie would do. i assumed people understood this but weren't moving because they were either (a) lazy, (b) stupid, (c) weren't told to do so and that is why i pushed so hard to get me elected (i had zero votes not too long ago... i'm talking not even 12 hours ago). and honestly i wouldn't mind you getting out of mayor and BM stepping into that position. mayor doesn't really do much anyways so it doesn't matter who gets it. what does matter is that i know i am pardoner and i get that role. and chezinu won't die. and if he doesn't die then it isn't too hard to see his actual role after one round. however we don't know for certain that he is townie (he is acting pretty normal other than the roleclaim) so i wouldn't want him in the pardoner seat. any other arguments?
This is between you and L, but I'd like to butt-in and say L provided very clear counter-arguments.
Here are some examples from my argument compendium:
The clues pointing to Ace are specific and very clear, not at all a stretch.
It isn't likely that clues will grow stronger over time due to the sheer amount of mafia in this game.
Saying Ace is innocent because Incog wants him alive makes it too easy to twist clues.
I'm not trying to force Ace to die, I'm trying to analyze the clues. Offer an alternative fit if you want to turn away suspicion.
These are the best Day 1 clues we've ever had, no reason to ignore them.
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On February 16 2010 08:35 Mystlord wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2010 08:05 Scamp wrote:On February 16 2010 07:55 Mystlord wrote:Oh, and another point about Empyrean... Where do we go from his lynch? Are we just lynching to help out the other mafia family or what? I might be a bit ignorant in this, so I'd like to get this cleared up before I'm fully on board with the Empyrean lynch. It seems more like a dead end to me. If he truly is mafia, why not let a mafia family waste a kill on him? With this logic, you're saying the town wants to do nothing and let the mafia do all the work. Basically, if we know someone is mafia we're going to kill them. Sure, the other family wants to kill them too, but the goal of the town is to take down as many mafia as possible as soon as possible to reduce their KP. We only need to worry about a mafia family winning once one family is reduced to the other family's KP. Besides, if we don't kill people that we think are mafia, what else are we supposed to do with our lynches? Correct. I want the town to do nothing, and the mafia to do all the work. I believe that our lynches should be used to reveal potential mafia, not actually kill mafia. If we're to pit the mafia against each other, then it stands to reason that we'd want to give mafia leads, not start lynching one a day. As far as I'm concerned, lynching Empyrean gets us nowhere.
Provide an alternative?
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On February 16 2010 08:42 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2010 08:39 Bill Murray wrote:On February 16 2010 08:21 Ace wrote:On February 16 2010 08:21 L wrote:On February 16 2010 08:19 redtooth wrote:
god damn it i said don't worry about chezinu L. I'm not worried about him. I'm worried about YOU. and I'm worried about YOU. "Mutual Chainsaw Defense, where two players defend each other by attacking each others' attackers. This is a major scumtell," This doesn't apply to me. Not only am I way too good to even fall for that, but I'm innocent. So yes, you fail.
All of your arguments basically boil down to "fuk u im ace and im smarter than u so shut up"
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no we can't have him prove t hat
if he says he is going to protect one person, the mafia just simply won't even bother hitting them.
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On February 16 2010 09:17 Bill Murray wrote:
your logic was that meeple and doctorh had to be in the mafia together, and that it was very likely, and i called you an idiot for that logic (plus t_co was behaving worse than I have been in this thread)
that was t_co's logic too and it turned out to be wrong
that why it's stupid to say "if im lynched and im green then everyone who accused me is mafia"
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On February 16 2010 09:18 Iaaan wrote:
I wonder, was the intention to make Redtooth mayor, or was it to make L pardoner? At least 2 of L, Ace, Redtooth, Ver, DrH, BC and Citizen are Mafia. I'm sure at least, that one Mafia family didn't get two people elected.
Is that everyone who ran? l10f ran quite early on iirc
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Time to see who else that clue profile may have fit.
I'll be reading every profile, be back in a bit.
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The "angelic killer" is not human, but rather a creature.
BloodyC0bblers profile has a magician surrounded by blue light with what appears to be some sort of blue fire in his hand. However this magician is obviously human.
Zona's profile leads me to believe it might possibly point to him?
That's Zona's profile picture. It is a bit confusing but definitely falls under "blue light" and there are no human like characteristics to be found in it. Also consider Zona's very inactive posting behavior compared to the last game.
That's all I could come up with and neither seem as strong as Empyrean did : /
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Do you ever plan on using logic to defend yourself?
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On February 16 2010 13:07 Malongo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2010 13:06 Mystlord wrote:
I don't think the plan would work since I highly doubt the mafia would waste a hit like that. Remember that the other mafia family has 3 hits and each of them are going to be aimed at a potential mafia. Why would one mafia family waste a hit so early in the game? What do we lose¿
What do you mean by what do we lose?
Since you're discussing the mafia perspective...
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On February 17 2010 03:16 nemY wrote:
I tallied up the list of ppl who made vote swaps. I may have made a mistake or two (in which case could someone double check it please?), but I feel like this may give a better clue to who our mafia may really be, and at least it it allows us to do some analysis, rather than say... making a list of ppl you "feel" are mafia
Chezinu 5x
DoctorHelvetica 3x
MasterDana 1x
[NyC]HoBbes 1x
789 2x
Bill Murray 6x
BloodyC0bbler 1x
tree.hugger 1x
Fulgrim 1x
Nikoner 2x
Ace 2x
Caller 2x
Decafchicken 1x
d3_crescentia 3x
citi.zen 2x
meeple 1x
sidesprang 1x
SugiuraMidori 1x
Empyrean 1x (he’s dead now though)
If you're complaining about no one supplying relevant information, than why make this list lol?
At least say who the votes were for.
On February 16 2010 14:40 Chezinu wrote:
What does tredmasta, Phrujbaz, ohN, and MasterDana have in common?
They all abstain.
They all ignored my pm's.
They shall be on the mafia' hit list.
Is this a scumtell? Please explain.
I just woke up so I'll give my thoughts on malongos plan in a bit as well as an updated/better formatted compilation of arguments/opinions.
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On February 17 2010 09:45 Bill Murray wrote:
you know what's funny.... 4 of those people were on my original "crazy list" that everyone chastised me for, and d3_crescentia was the person i was throwing heat on later on... maybe the mafia listen to me ... and that's why their hits sucked
or theyre working together vs the town, that could be terrible
It seems more likely that they picked up on incorrect accusations. I really doubt the mafia would ally this game.
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On February 17 2010 09:50 Bill Murray wrote:
lol nice to see you pop your head out of the sand now that the daylight is here DoctorH
thanks
ive been catching up with marble hornets (http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=112469) and playing zone of the enders 2 most of today
i slept for a really long time since i stayed up so late last night playing sc
I probably won't be very active until later today, im too addicted to this marble hornets thing.
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