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On February 16 2010 10:44 Ace wrote:
*yawn*
Maybe if you people just let me be instead of calling me out on ridiculous "arguments" we wouldn't be having this problem? L has been far from reasonable and I've already showed how. But keep skipping my posts and saying I'm not contributing when clearly I have been.
I've been reading your posts, every single one. How about instead of posting to dismiss yet another person's arguments, you come up with something helpful for the town instead?
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On February 16 2010 10:51 Ace wrote:
Zato what have YOU done to help the town? Tell me please. Besides saying you're tired of reading so and so's posts and that lurkers are suspicious. My mere presence in the game generates 10x more discussion and analysis than you could have ever provided.
They see me rollin!
I've helped establish a proper strategy for the Town to follow.
I've called out those who are most detrimental to the Town- those who make people stop wanting to read the thread and contribute, and therefore make it easier for mafia to lurk undetected.
I've explained why Qatol's plan for the mayor to reveal the bodyguard list to whoever claims to be a DT and asks for it is a bad idea.
I'm actively trying to get the Town to suffer fewer deaths on night 1.
It's not an impressive list, I'll admit. But come now, you don't really care about what I'm doing. You just want to change the topic. Again. Weasel out of having to lift a goddamn finger for the town. Again.
I can't know for sure if you really are mafia, Ace. But I sure damn suspect you are, by now. Prove me wrong, please. Start playing like someone who gives a damn for the Town.
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On February 16 2010 11:18 Qatol wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2010 11:07 Zato-1 wrote:
I've explained why Qatol's plan for the mayor to reveal the bodyguard list to whoever claims to be a DT and asks for it is a bad idea.
Qatol has had no such plan! (I'm not playing in this game. I just jump in to clarify rules questions because Incog is going to wind up asking me them anyways and I might as well speed up the process.)
My bad, it was actually Caller.
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On February 16 2010 13:16 madnessman wrote:
There are many many flaws to this plan. HOWEVER I do believe it will work *IF* the mafia team that does not have Malongo or redtooth on their roster were to hit Malongo tonight, and none of the medics (aside from redtooth obviously) protects him!
This whole proposition from Malongo is flawed. Let me pick it apart piece by piece:
On February 16 2010 13:16 madnessman wrote:
1. redtooth is MAFIA A and Malongo is TOWNIE
- Mafia A doesn't hit Malongo. Mafia B hits Malongo. Malongo dies. We know that redtooth is not actually a medic and a member of Mafia A! -> this info = good for both Mafia B and the town, bad for Mafia A
Look at from Mafia B's perspective. They hit Malongo. Malongo dies. Either redtooth did not protect him and is therefore from Mafia A, or redtooth did protect him but Mafia A also hit Malongo. Either way, Mafia B wasted a hit and still doesn't know a thing about redtooth.
On February 16 2010 13:16 madnessman wrote:
2. redtooth is a MEDIC and Malongo is MAFIA A
- Mafia A doesn't hit Malongo. Mafia B hits Malongo. redtooth saves Malongo. Mafia B now knows that redtooth is actually a medic and NOT a member of Mafia A! -> this info = good for Mafia B (Town remains ignorant as it has no way of knowing for certain that a hit was placed on Malongo.)
Whoopy doo, Mafia B wastes a hit to determine that 1 out of 40 targets is NOT someone they want to kill after all. Not worth it.
On February 16 2010 13:16 madnessman wrote:
3. redtooth is MAFIA A and Malongo are MAFIA A
- Mafia A doesn't hit Malongo. Mafia B hits Malongo. Malongo dies. We now know redtooth is not actually a medic and a member of Mafia A! -> this info = good for both Mafia B and the town, bad for Mafia A
This case would make sense, except for the fact that since Malongo is Mafia A and so is redtooth, Malongo would know the plan would backfire horribly upon his own family and would therefore never have proposed it in the first place. This scenario is almost an impossibility.
On February 16 2010 13:16 madnessman wrote:
4. redtooth is a MEDIC and Malongo is TOWNIE
- Mafia A hits Malongo. Mafia B hits Malongo. redtooth saves Malongo. But because he got 2 hits does he die???
A medic cover will protect a target from 1 night hit, so if both mafia families were to hit him, Malongo would die, yes. In this case, both mafia families are left to wonder whether the other family also hit Malongo, or redtooth was mafia and didn't protect Malongo- the only thing the end result tells them is that the number of hits on Malongo exceeded the number of medic covers by at least 1. If only one family hits Malongo, all they achieve is determining that redtooth is indeed a medic, and therefore someone they don't particularly care to kill.
So depending on circumstances which Mafia B family does not control, they will either learn:
a) Nothing, or
b) That 1/40 targets is not someone they care about (redtooth).
As to the question, what do we have to lose? A medic cover, that's what. I've established that it is not in the mafia's interest to hit whoever redtooth claims he will cover, therefore they won't, and redtooth will waste his medic cover (if he indeed has one). Sure, it's a small cost to pay, but when there's literally zero upside, it's still a bad plan.
Also, in before SugiuraMidori accuses me of being mafia for the scummy logic in this post :p
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On February 16 2010 19:26 Ace wrote:
Seriously, with so many people accusing me of being scum with no proof that actually makes it more likely I'm town.
Great logic here. Both townies AND members of whichever mafia family you're not on would only really want you killed if you're mafia. Why would mafia go out of their way to get you killed if you're from the Town?
The flipside of this argument, of course, is that if you DO turn out to be mafia, that proves nothing about the allegiances of those who accused you- they're either townies trying to kill mafia, or mafia from the opposite family.
The only way you're going to convince anyone of your innocence at this point is by:
a. Clearly identifying the arguments made against you, then
b. Proceeding to show why they're not compelling enough to label you as mafia.
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On February 16 2010 19:33 MasterDana wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2010 14:40 Chezinu wrote:
What does tredmasta, Phrujbaz, ohN, and MasterDana have in common?
They all abstain.
They all ignored my pm's.
They shall be on the mafia' hit list. lolwut. Abstained due to no real clear choice for presidency, and my question about how important a Mayor can be went unanswered, so I reverted to abstain.
Pretty telling post, MasterDana. First time I see you posting something with substance since your candidacy. Also, pleading ignorance means you're either a very lazy townie, or mafia. Pleading ignorance is a very common mafia defense.
On February 16 2010 19:33 MasterDana wrote:
Why did we lynch Empyrean? Going off of posting habits seems like a real stretch unless there's a hugggeeee difference. I haven't played any previous games, but reading Ver's post about Empyrean's posting habits didn't seem all that drastic. Different, of course, but enough to lynch? Not really. Alas, lynched anyways and a green lays dead. Was Ver wrong, or trying to mislead us? Regardless, I think most agree that Redtooth hanging Empyrean was a mistake for the Townies, if he is indeed supporting them.
Here, you're trying to cast suspicion on both Ver and redtooth, with extremely weak argumentation. Mislead us into lynching a townie? Why would Ver want to do that, if he was mafia? Clearly, a mafia member would've preferred to lynch a mafia from the opposite team. Same goes for redtooth. So why make these weak accusations behind them? Because you're feeling the heat, and want to shift it to someone else. Again, this is scummy behavior; if you make a weak accusation, you're not only diverting attention from yourself and giving the appearance of someone who's contributing, you're also not committing to anything because the accusation is weak.
On February 16 2010 19:33 MasterDana wrote:
Awkward collection of thoughts, but the point I'm trying to get across is that my faith in Redtooth as a pro-townie mayor is thin.
Pardon the swear, but this couldn't be more half-assed. Trying to make yourself sound like the victim whose trust has been violated, who is ignorant of how he should vote and who expresses weak feelings of distrust like an injured deer... I don't buy it.
What do you have to say for yourself, MasterDana?
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On February 16 2010 23:55 madnessman wrote:
Could someone explain to me why everybody is so certain Chezinu is DT and not a mafia member?!
The only person that may be certain Chezinu is a DT is himself. The rest of us acknowledge the possibility that he's a DT. I for one will be waiting to hear from him tonight to see how he can back his claim up, after he has a chance to use his night ability.
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This is the end of me... or is it? Ace I completely expected to die, but him aside, you sucked, mafia- way to miss your targets :p
GG
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