I totally disagree about how powerful the sheriff is. The sheriff's power only works twice - if you randomly throw it out, your chance of disabling a useful power isn't that large, since power roles are a minority, and disabling a medic (who happens to guess/choose right) in my view is the biggest downside. I would also propose that incarcerating suspected mafia is as good/even better than incarcerating potential victims. But the mayor's triple vote power is dangerous, especially if we have a lot of people who don't vote, and as the game goes on and vote totals decline (and the mayor can't die to night kills, too).

No lynching is usually a bad idea because whoever votes on the lynch grants information as the mafia usually need to work together at least a little to avoid being lynch victims. In the case of day 1, lynching gives information as to the mayor, and the mayor is a very powerful role in my view, I think the lynch should go through. But then again I'm more used to mafia games where mods don't give clues, so I'm uncertain whether the value of how people voted is greater, or clues.

The newcomer thing can just simply be story, not clues. After all, story-wise the mafia have just arrived in town.

Qatol

United States3165 Posts

January 20 2010 20:44 GMT

#283

On January 21 2010 04:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Well someone has to be lynched right? Can the mayor pass on lynching and if so do we want to waste that opportunity? I don't want to rush anyone towards a suspect, in fact I think we should do the opposite. Keep our cool and take this time to think our decision out. However, I do think at the end of the day we need to make a decision.

There are 7 mafia not 8 btw

On January 19 2010 10:22 Incognito wrote:
Mayor
You won second place in the election. So close... You have to PM me before the end of Day 1 with the name of the player you would like lynched on Day 1 if you win. You can't choose the Sheriff as the Day 1 lynch victim. Your votes count as three votes instead of one. You cannot be Role Checked by a DT.

Someone has to be lynched by the Mayor.

Zona

40426 Posts

January 20 2010 20:46 GMT

#284

Also, it's inevitable that we lynch townies along with mafia, especially early on - we should be ready for that and not hesitate to lynch because we fear lynching townies. If we no lynch, the only kills that occur (vigilante's one shot aside) will be controlled fully by the mafia, and then we'll have NO chance that day at all of getting rid of a mafia.

DoctorHelvetica

United States15034 Posts

January 20 2010 20:49 GMT

#285

Alright. In that case, I'll post my suspect list near the end of the election and the mayor can make his decision.

citi.zen

2509 Posts

January 20 2010 20:59 GMT

#286

So you can change your vote as long as you lie about the reason for doing so :-)

tredmasta

China152 Posts

January 20 2010 21:08 GMT

#287

Since the mayor has to lynch someone, I guess hobbes still fits the given clues the best, and that whoever is elected for mayor should lynch him.

Bill Murray

United States9292 Posts

January 20 2010 21:08 GMT

#288

we need to get meeple out here hitting the campaign trail

citi.zen

2509 Posts

January 20 2010 21:13 GMT

#289

When someone does a role check... are the results are announced publicly on the forum?

DoctorHelvetica

United States15034 Posts

January 20 2010 21:15 GMT

#290

No.

And the detective can't just come out and say "derp im a detective and i rolechecked Ng5 and yeah he's mafia."

1. Why should the town believe him? He could be mafia trying to divert attention away from a real mafia member.

2. If he is a real detective, the mafia will probably kill him that night.

flamewheel

FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts

January 20 2010 21:33 GMT

#291

On January 21 2010 05:43 Zona wrote:
I totally disagree about how powerful the sheriff is. The sheriff's power only works twice - if you randomly throw it out, your chance of disabling a useful power isn't that large, since power roles are a minority, and disabling a medic (who happens to guess/choose right) in my view is the biggest downside. I would also propose that incarcerating suspected mafia is as good/even better than incarcerating potential victims. But the mayor's triple vote power is dangerous, especially if we have a lot of people who don't vote, and as the game goes on and vote totals decline (and the mayor can't die to night kills, too).

No lynching is usually a bad idea because whoever votes on the lynch grants information as the mafia usually need to work together at least a little to avoid being lynch victims. In the case of day 1, lynching gives information as to the mayor, and the mayor is a very powerful role in my view, I think the lynch should go through. But then again I'm more used to mafia games where mods don't give clues, so I'm uncertain whether the value of how people voted is greater, or clues.

The newcomer thing can just simply be story, not clues. After all, story-wise the mafia have just arrived in town.

Yeah it really does seem like the sheriff's power is somewhat... limited. I suppose it would get more powerful later on in the game when there are less people (making the guessing a bit easier), but it still seems like to me that the power is mostly situational, and won't be of much use until further on.

However, mafia could manipulate the vote to get the mayor, since it's 1st/2nd place since we're not voting separately for the sheriff and mayor, so just merely looking at how the votes are spread is not enough--if we think the mafia is saving votes to pile onto the winner (sheriff) at the end but they really are trying to push a mafia member for mayor, we could end up severely owning ourselves.

citi.zen

2509 Posts

January 20 2010 21:36 GMT

#292

On January 21 2010 06:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
No.

And the detective can't just come out and say "derp im a detective and i rolechecked Ng5 and yeah he's mafia."

1. Why should the town believe him? He could be mafia trying to divert attention away from a real mafia member.

2. If he is a real detective, the mafia will probably kill him that night.

I guess wondered whether an update would be posted by admins recapping who was investigated and so on. I guess not much new info coming out for a while!

Bill Murray

United States9292 Posts

January 20 2010 21:38 GMT

#293

what if the mafia get mayor, and then purposefully lynch their own player? that would sure make a godfather as mayor look good/trustworthy to the town wouldn't it?

DoctorHelvetica

United States15034 Posts

January 20 2010 21:42 GMT

#294

Well, that's why we need to make sure the mayor goes along with the town consensus.

Also, a mafia mayor may do that, since mafia killpower will still be 3 regardless of whether there are 6 or 7 mafia left.

789

United States959 Posts

January 20 2010 21:43 GMT

#295

Having the god father as mayor/sherrif would be redundant. The mayor/sherrif can't be role checked, and that would waste the god father's ability to chose the role that shows up when he gets role checked. It would be better served on another mafia member to protect him from a role check.

citi.zen

2509 Posts

January 20 2010 21:46 GMT

#296

On January 21 2010 06:42 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Well, that's why we need to make sure the mayor goes along with the town consensus.

Also, a mafia mayor may do that, since mafia killpower will still be 3 regardless of whether there are 6 or 7 mafia left.

What does a KP of 3 mean anyway? Mob gets to kill 3 people per night?

flamewheel

FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts

January 20 2010 21:47 GMT

#297

On January 21 2010 06:38 Bill Murray wrote:
what if the mafia get mayor, and then purposefully lynch their own player? that would sure make a godfather as mayor look good/trustworthy to the town wouldn't it?

Except we wouldn't know that it's the godfather who would be doing so. Also, since the godfather has the power to be whatever role he wants to be if rolechecked by a detective, this is made useless if he were mayor since neither the mayor nor sheriff can be rolechecked. Therefore I'd think that the mafia would actually be against putting the godfather in the mayoral/sheriff position and would opt instead to just put a normal mafia member in.

So let's say a mafia member does get mayor.

True, if he lynches his own member early it would remove a ton of suspicion from him/herself, and the killpower would not be decreased since 7 and 6 mafia members both round to three, so early on it would seem like a viable mindgaming strategy to go through with. However, later on in the game the mafia needs to fully abuse its killing power as quickly as possible. Since the game ends with a mafia win as soon as mafia outnumber townies (and there are quite a few townies/town-aligned people), the more mafia members that there still are would translate to faster kills. As the clues start piling up, both sides will be rushing to outdo the other and the 1/7 loss on the first day will start to feel more pertinent.

789

United States959 Posts

January 20 2010 21:53 GMT

#298

I think a mayor would only purposefully lynch a mafia on the first day if it was the general consensus of the townies. To pick someone seemingly at random and lynching them for them to end up being a mafia it would be suspicious. Putting suspicion on himself + killing another mafia member wouldn't be a very good strategy.

789

United States959 Posts

January 20 2010 21:55 GMT

#299

I should clarify:

But if the person he chooses ended up being a mafia that the townies wanted to lynch, it would remove suspicion from himself. Lynching a random person that ends up being mafia would make him look suspicious since the mafia know who eachother are. So unless he has a good reason to suspect that person or the townies want it that way, it would seem that he either got lucky or picked someone he knew was a mafia to make himself look good (but ends up making him look suspicious).