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t_co
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States702 Posts
January 20 2010 19:49 GMT
#261
So 8 total.
"Look, don't congratulate us when we buy a company, congratulate us when we sell it. Because any fool can overpay and buy a company, so long as there is money to buy it." --Henry Kravis
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
January 20 2010 19:50 GMT
#262
On January 21 2010 04:46 t_co wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2010 04:29 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
also 5 out of 66? i believe there are 34 players


My mistake. Still, the point is, rushing to ask people to lynch off the voices of a substantial minority and 1 day's worth of clues is kind of suicidal. It takes 2 points to draw a line, after all. With 4 mafia clues per day and only 8 mafia total, it shouldn't take that long for more mafia clues to pile up that point us in a better direction.

Cruel as it may sound, the first day lynch matters little in the long run, because the town is still at 34 members and the mafia only at 8, which means there is a substantial margin of error available to us.


I guess you lost me: 1st paragraph is saying "lets not rush with the lynching"; 2nd paragraph says "we have a substantial error margin".

Am I reading it wrong?
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 20 2010 19:50 GMT
#263
On January 21 2010 04:46 citi.zen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2010 04:44 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I mean, let's say citi.zen is elected mayor. We eventually suspect him of being mafia and lynch him and it turns out he is. Then we should examine who voted for him as probably a few of them are mafia. Then we can compare that list to clues and such


That's a good point. Does this mean mafiosi are more likely to bandwagon to "blend in"?


Possibly.

If a mafia is running, he will get a nice pad of mafia votes. However, there are more townies than mafia so keep that in mind. I like t_co's assertion that late votes may be the ones that are mafia votes.

If we end up finding out later that a mafia/sheriff was mafia, that's when we should go back to the original voting records. Until then, I don't think we can get anything valuable out of it.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 20 2010 19:51 GMT
#264
1 of the 7 mafia is the godfather
RIP Aaliyah
keit
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
1584 Posts
January 20 2010 19:53 GMT
#265
Agreed, seems the pace is really high, and people are jumping to conclusions really fast. Might be cause it's a lot of new players.
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t_co
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States702 Posts
January 20 2010 19:54 GMT
#266
On January 21 2010 04:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Well someone has to be lynched right? Can the mayor pass on lynching and if so do we want to waste that opportunity? I don't want to rush anyone towards a suspect, in fact I think we should do the opposite. Keep our cool and take this time to think our decision out. However, I do think at the end of the day we need to make a decision.

There are 7 mafia not 8 btw


It's better still if more people can post in this thread and have their voices heard rather than leaving the discussion for lynching someone in the hands of 1/6th of the town.

With that being said, if we are to discuss it would be helpful if people refrained from defensive reactions and explanations of their own profile when accused. Thread space would be much better devoted to actually discussing who else could be potential mafia.
"Look, don't congratulate us when we buy a company, congratulate us when we sell it. Because any fool can overpay and buy a company, so long as there is money to buy it." --Henry Kravis
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 20 2010 19:55 GMT
#267
So we don't have any disagreement. That's good to hear.

I'm keeping track of everyone who was suspected and why in notepad so near the end I guess I'll post something comprehensive and maybe the mayor can make his pick on what we all agree is the most solid connection.
RIP Aaliyah
t_co
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States702 Posts
January 20 2010 19:56 GMT
#268
On January 21 2010 04:50 citi.zen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2010 04:46 t_co wrote:
On January 21 2010 04:29 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
also 5 out of 66? i believe there are 34 players


My mistake. Still, the point is, rushing to ask people to lynch off the voices of a substantial minority and 1 day's worth of clues is kind of suicidal. It takes 2 points to draw a line, after all. With 4 mafia clues per day and only 8 mafia total, it shouldn't take that long for more mafia clues to pile up that point us in a better direction.

Cruel as it may sound, the first day lynch matters little in the long run, because the town is still at 34 members and the mafia only at 8, which means there is a substantial margin of error available to us.


I guess you lost me: 1st paragraph is saying "lets not rush with the lynching"; 2nd paragraph says "we have a substantial error margin".

Am I reading it wrong?


What it means it that we can afford to let a mafia live today as there is little chance the mafia will take control of the town by having 1 extra member. Also, as clues pile up AND the proportion of mafia to town grows (as the town shrinks) it gets easier and easier to analyze clues.
"Look, don't congratulate us when we buy a company, congratulate us when we sell it. Because any fool can overpay and buy a company, so long as there is money to buy it." --Henry Kravis
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 20 2010 19:57 GMT
#269
So you're supporting the mayor not lynching at all? Let's be clear on that.
RIP Aaliyah
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
January 20 2010 20:03 GMT
#270
That's what I am trying to understand, it seems he is making two opposing arguments.
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
789
Profile Joined October 2009
United States959 Posts
January 20 2010 20:04 GMT
#271
I wouldn't mind going with a no lynch unless something new and concrete comes up. Everything seems too flimsy at this point. Glad it looks like I won't have to make the decision, I have an amazing 0 votes :D.

But yeah, there isn't enough to risk lynching a potential detective or medic or some other blue going fishing for a mafia.
Member of Hyuk Hyuk Hyuk Cafe! He's the next Jaedong, baby!
t_co
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States702 Posts
January 20 2010 20:04 GMT
#272
Yes, I think that with the paltry clue analysis we have right now and the fact that we have a less than 1/4 ratio of mafia we have a bigger chance of lynching one of our own in the first night than we do of lynching a mafia.
"Look, don't congratulate us when we buy a company, congratulate us when we sell it. Because any fool can overpay and buy a company, so long as there is money to buy it." --Henry Kravis
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
January 20 2010 20:08 GMT
#273
I've decided to keep any as-of-yet unreferenced clues in a separate, un-posted file. Otherwise it will make life hard on the writers of the story.
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
t_co
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States702 Posts
January 20 2010 20:18 GMT
#274
On January 21 2010 05:08 citi.zen wrote:
I've decided to keep any as-of-yet unreferenced clues in a separate, un-posted file. Otherwise it will make life hard on the writers of the story.


Good thinking.
"Look, don't congratulate us when we buy a company, congratulate us when we sell it. Because any fool can overpay and buy a company, so long as there is money to buy it." --Henry Kravis
t_co
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States702 Posts
January 20 2010 20:20 GMT
#275
On January 21 2010 05:03 citi.zen wrote:
That's what I am trying to understand, it seems he is making two opposing arguments.


Nope, just saying that we have enough of a margin of error to allow the mafia to run rampant for a day or two (that is +EV (expected value) for all our subsequent lynches); on the flip side, lynching anyone on Day 1 is -EV.
"Look, don't congratulate us when we buy a company, congratulate us when we sell it. Because any fool can overpay and buy a company, so long as there is money to buy it." --Henry Kravis
789
Profile Joined October 2009
United States959 Posts
January 20 2010 20:32 GMT
#276
Yeah t_co has a good point. We haven't really lost any greens or blues yet. We probably won't be able to take good guesses at who the mafia might be until we get more clues. We won't get more clues until the mafia gets a chance to make hits. If we lynch someone without more clues, we have a better chance of damaging ourselves on top of the next mafia hit than taking a mafia down.
Member of Hyuk Hyuk Hyuk Cafe! He's the next Jaedong, baby!
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
January 20 2010 20:34 GMT
#277
ok. t_co, apologies for jumping the gun. you seem to have good arguments.
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 20 2010 20:36 GMT
#278
That's a good point. A lot could happen in the next 20 hours, but it's better to get more information than to run the risk of lynching a blue.
RIP Aaliyah
Qatol
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States3165 Posts
January 20 2010 20:39 GMT
#279
On January 21 2010 04:30 citi.zen wrote:
Are we getting a new set of clues tonight?

More clues after the election, mayoral lynch, and the night 1 actions. So not for ~52 hours
Uff Da
Qatol
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States3165 Posts
January 20 2010 20:41 GMT
#280
On January 21 2010 02:30 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2010 02:25 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
can you change your votes? i think you can until the deadline although I'm not sure


3. You can not autochange your vote to the losing or winning bandwagon.

nvm

You can change your vote by posting in the voting thread normally. This rule is intended to stop people from saying "If Incognito gets 5 votes, autochange my vote to him to ensure a lynch." Basically, an automatic bandwagon.
Uff Da
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