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On October 23 2009 04:35 L wrote: Not really. They would all need to claim rather early, not get lynched, not get hit prior to claiming, etc. I really don't think we should assume that we have a certain number of a role given that they have been hidden from us on purpose. It could very well be that we have 0 vets and 2 medics as far as i can tell.
I know you're right, there most likely are some roles that are completely unused. And if there are 0 vets that plan is going to backfire horribly. About medics though, well I think that having a complete autowin after lynching 2 mafia is quite imbalanced...
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On October 23 2009 03:55 motbob wrote:My grandpa died and I'm helping make preparations for his funeral so I'll be super inactive until Sunday. Sorry 
I'm very sorry to hear that. My condolences.
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On October 23 2009 04:38 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2009 04:35 L wrote:Especially 2 medics would be completely gamebreaking, Not really. They would all need to claim rather early, not get lynched, not get hit prior to claiming, etc. I really don't think we should assume that we have a certain number of a role given that they have been hidden from us on purpose. It could very well be that we have 0 vets and 2 medics as far as i can tell. I know you're right, there most likely are some roles that are completely unused. And if there are 0 vets that plan is going to backfire horribly. About medics though, well I think that having a complete autowin after lynching 2 mafia is quite imbalanced...
I don't, really. They can still be lynched and the threat of a mafia fakeclaiming into the 'final 2' can let him ride a town ''autowin' straight to a mafia win. There's never an 'autowin' unless the numbers don't add up; when it comes to behavior, there is plenty of room for people to screw with others.
Also: Scamp, feel free to post.
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I think the only unused role is either a Vig or a MH.
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We could easily have both vig and hatter without a medic in order to 'deal' with the fact that mafia kp is rather low this game.
Either way, assuming a certain scenario will only lead us to make mistakes, lets just keep in mind that it is likely we have 0-2 of each role and use that, not a specific number, to inform our plans.
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On October 22 2009 13:47 redtooth wrote:
also vet idea was ruined as soon as it was posted in public. godfather can take any role and can roleclaim it without much risk because DT check would show him being blue. so basically this. i thought we were over this like 10 pages back.
anyways anybody else concerned that tricode is tied for the lead as mayor? obviously i am because he wants me dead but him being pardoner is just as bad. let's look at the scenario carefully. assuming he's a townie, we have to all agree that he is a fucking stupid townie who proposes idiotic ideas and seems like the type to do whatever he feels is right (even though he's usually wrong). do you really want that individual as pardoner?
and i still think there is a chance that he's mafia. the last game i played pyrr was so obviously mafia that town didn't kill him despite me ranting about him being mafia for 5+ pages and clearly stating that he should die whether he is a bad townie or mafia. please please please don't make that mistake again.
also vote better. my life and the town's well being depend on it.
+ Show Spoiler +btw pyrr i'm not trying to diminish what you did that game. however, i AM stating how stupid town was (and iirc foolishness was a major voice in that idiot town).
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Looks like motbob isn't going to (be able to) play so I will keep to my promise and lynch him if elected.
We do need to figure out, as a town and ASAP, who we will kill Day 2 so the DTs can check. Some people are saying it should be Tricode but I'm not on that bandwagon. I don't have a better suspect, though. Scamp is acting like he has as mafia in the past but I'm not sure he's super active when innocent (maybe he hasn't been innocent?). Caller wants to kill me for no given reason. I think it might be helpful to have an informal poll in this thread about where we stand if nothing changes between now and Day 2 so that the detectives can be helped out, what do you think?
At this point, I think it is very likely that the GF will choose to be a vet. If there is no vet, the GF will likely wait around a bit and then claim to be the only vet. This means, if we go with the vet claim plan, the vet needs to claim super fast, without hesitation. Don't do it before Day 2 begins, though, we don't want to help the mafia choose their day 1 hits.
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It actually doesn't matter what the GF chooses this game. With the confusion surrounding DTs "everyone" technically has the GFs power so it's a moot point. None of the DTs will talk to any checked targets anyway - everyone is immune to role checks for the first day or so.
I don't remember who, I think it was Rebirth but the town should follow the Vet plan. The Godfather faking has no effect on the DTs figuring out their sanity. If no one claims Vet and the GF steps up he's pretty much boned when he doesn't take a hit at all by even the 3rd night. If more than one Vet steps up great - the DTs have 2 people to base their sanity on which makes the Gfs Vet plan wasted.
Look at the structure of this game. Very low KP, low Mafia, screwed up DTs and no clues. This is going to be a slow game based on a lot of catching people in lies. Assuming most people aren't going to tell on themselves the only thing that can be certain is the DTs and we should be trying to get them their sanity asap. The Vet plan is obviously the best idea as the Mafia would have to kill the guy while also confirming the DTs checks. If they don't kill him in time and the DTs get a check in on someone that gets lynched they've effectively screwed themselves.
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also I'm still running for Mayor ^_^
Regardless of who wins use the Vet idea.
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Seems like L and Ace are disagreeing. Here we go again!
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ace speaks sense, now must now consider this action from hense
with a vet plan, we may create a band
unbreakable it shall be, unless a fragile foundation we start to see
so we must all dive in and help, or shall we all end up like a welp
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Ok so the vet plan seems like the way to go. Now are we still gonna figure out the Day 2 lynch ahead of time or is that no longer a good plan?
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The only problem I foresee is that there may be no veteran.
If there is a veteran, he should claim after the transition to night so the DT(s) are able to check him. As others have pointed out, there is not much to worry about in the situation of GF claiming as vet.
If nobody claims, then the vet is either inactive or non existent. If this is the case I do not advocate any claiming by anyone.
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I will like some help from experienced players.
Do they see something wrong with this bandwagon thing going on me with reasoning that doesn't seem to be sufficient, based on me supposedly being "BAD" by opinion.
That this is my 4th game ever (if i remember correctly) and giving such a ultimate title while I only played once or twice with the persons calling me "BAD"?
I am pretty sure I am still a bit newbish to the ropes and still learning lessons.
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Goes like this every game. Ace = town = win Ace = mafia = lose
since every time he runs he gets into the office even with no platform
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I find myself agreeing with Infundibulum and, of all people, L. We don't know if there are any veterans this game at all, considering with the low Mafia KP that they barely seem necessary. In which case it would become quite messy if anyone decides to falsely roleclaim, which has been known to happen.
I'd also like to say that there's nothing wrong with having a townie pardoner, which Tricode seems to be in position to become. Most of us seem pretty agreed that he is innocent. I'm a little surprised by the number of votes for Pyrrh, though.
And motbob, my condolences regarding your grandfather.
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Meh. I mean sometimes I really don't even want to be in office but since no one else steps up enough (excluding BC) I just have to try.
@Tricode: I've already noted the bandwaggoning. I doubt that most of them are mafia as trying to get you offed so early would be like...really bad. If it was obvious you were going to die every DT would check you tonight, and then the Vet plan happening the next day would kinda shaft them.
Me personally, I don't even think your that bad. Hell, I don't even remember most of the people I say that suck because it's been so long I can't remember the reasons why (except Vivi57 because he's a special kind of character). Just be comfortable in the fact that there's no way you'd be killed at this point.
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@Ace
I am mostly just accusing Redtooth.
Though yeah, i do think i am insignificant for mafia to kill, I just find a lot of his reasoning strange. He also has jumped from Chezinu saying he is red to me.
He really seems to be going about in trying to get someone lynched. He seems to be trying very hard in this.
I think his behavior is weird as well. I am no behavior analyze and I will also admit I may be a bit bias. I don't think mafia is out to get me, i just think they are trying to go with the flow.
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Foolishness
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On October 23 2009 07:12 Ace wrote:
Me personally, I don't even think your that bad. Hell, I don't even remember most of the people I say that suck because it's been so long I can't remember the reasons why (except Vivi57 because he's a special kind of character). Just be comfortable in the fact that there's no way you'd be killed at this point.
You forgot me!!!!
I am very curious why people are voting for Pyrry when Pyrry has been mostly absent and has hardly said anything of importance (he's just repeating stuff already said). Both Ace and L actually have some sort of platform and a plan for the coming days; it would make more sense for one of them to be elected.
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agree
but why the fuck is tricode getting elected -_-
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