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Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-25 03:55:54
July 25 2012 03:45 GMT
#61
Not much since 2006 and they actually started taking this seriously. The team right now is pretty selfless, and you have a different guy going big each night. Outside durant, lbj, kobe, and melo everyone else is doing really well taking on a "support" role and doing the dirty work and taking less shots. If you watch the games you'd notice they are really playing quite well offensively and it isn't so much iso basketball. You can tell westbrook and kobe are doing a lot of dirty work defensively on the perimeter and at half court since they aren't getting much offensively. All I can say is if this team had a healthy dwight or bosh the rest of the world wouldn't stand a chance.

I'd like to see some stats, but I'm pretty sure the paint is where most teams have been attacking the US right now. Otherwise their perimeter defense is one of the best I've seen.
Sejanus
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Lithuania550 Posts
July 25 2012 05:45 GMT
#62

and is enjoyable like last olympics.

Probably the best game in the olympics history.

"Is enjoyable", he says...
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iKill[ShocK]
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Vietnam3530 Posts
July 25 2012 06:03 GMT
#63
On July 25 2012 12:33 ShadeR wrote:
What are the chances of the US not getting the gold due to lack of team cohesion or too many cooks in the kitchen type thing?


not very likely imo, they don't get paid to play in the olympics and it isn't an individual title so i doubt they will be greedy and ball hog. Plus the amount of respect these players have for each other is quite high, as a basketball player myself i'd say the only time where i would ball hog is when my team is full of derps, i would always share the ball with a better player/equal, this team don't seem to have any derps.
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Usagi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Spain1647 Posts
July 25 2012 11:34 GMT
#64
On July 25 2012 14:45 Sejanus wrote:
Show nested quote +

and is enjoyable like last olympics.

Probably the best game in the olympics history.

"Is enjoyable", he says...

What better example of an enjoyable game can I give than the best game? xD
HeeroFX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2704 Posts
July 25 2012 12:40 GMT
#65
US should take gold :D!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MilesTeg
Profile Joined September 2010
France1271 Posts
July 25 2012 15:32 GMT
#66
Well... that was interesting I guess... it doesn't mean much but Spain really got destroyed.

The biggest question raised by this game... is Spain going to continue using the zone so much? They seemed to do so much better in man to man.

I don't know why everyone thinks the zone is great against team USA. I guess it makes intuitive sense but everytime they lost it was against a man to man.

If Spain stops with the cheesy "I bet you'll miss" zone, they get Marc back and they make their free throws they'll have a chance, or at least it should be a lot closer.
MilesTeg
Profile Joined September 2010
France1271 Posts
July 25 2012 15:49 GMT
#67
On July 25 2012 07:44 YODA_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2012 15:54 MilesTeg wrote:
On July 24 2012 14:39 rebdomine wrote:
On July 24 2012 14:22 MilesTeg wrote:
On July 24 2012 12:03 BoZiffer wrote:
Teams don't play the way during the Exhibitions as they do in the actual tournament. I wouldn't take much away from any of the exhibitions at all, for any team. US is still the favorite by a fair margin but there will be competitive moments for sure. Spain has size but lacks guys that can create their own shot and will suffer significantly against our perimeter defense. There will be some good ball played but the US is the clear favorite.


I never understood why "creating your own shot" is such an important skill but anyway a lot of their players can actually do that ^^. And they have some great pick and roll players, shooters and low post threats. Their offense is pretty good.

I think the most underrated aspect of their team is how athletic their perimeter guys are. They're not tall but they are explosive. Some of these guys aren't well known in the US (Sada, Llull) but they are good. Then you have Navarro who can be unstoppable if he's in a good day.

I don't know, I think Spain is looking pretty good. For some reason I thought Marc wasn't going to play but now that I know he will I'm going to change my prediction and say Spain wins this. I guess we'll have a first answer in a few hours!


A player who creates their own shot is a lot more difficult to guard. A team with only low post threats and stationary shooters will be easy to defend as you can just shut out the passing lanes and seriously hamper their offense.


Does "creating your own shot" even mean anything then. Because you seem to contrast that and low post play, which to me is the perfect example of creating your own shot.

Anyway at this level it's all about using screens and good ball movement. San Antonio and Denver were the 2 best offensive teams last season, would you say they have a lot of players who are good at creating their own shots?

"Creating your own shot" is a term generally given to a perimeter player who can't be simply guarded one-on-one on an isolation play. Kobe, James, Durant, Westbrook, etc, basically keep teams from playing man against them, because the US would be plenty happy to run James a top of the key iso play 40 times in a row, because they know noone on the opposing team can stay with him consistently. Hence, someone has to help him on defense. When someone helps, then someone else is open. So, yes, both Denver and Sane Antonio have multiple players who they would be content to run in an iso play 1 v 1 20 times in a row vs most teams if they let them. Creating your own play means that when an offensive play breaks down with 6 seconds on the shot-clock, you still have a good chance of a high percentage shot getting off. Yes, screens, ball movement, that is all good, we call that "offense". But when an offensive set breaks down or shows an unexpected opening, players that can create their own shot will make you pay almost every time.


I think both of those teams would rather run their sets and get open shots, but anyway it's really off topic. I was just reacting to the idea that getting a player who can create his own shots is an essential part of a team, which I believe is completely wrong.
Damien Kirojo
Profile Joined July 2012
United States8 Posts
July 25 2012 16:06 GMT
#68
Spain was really the only serious contender to the US. A few of the other countries that have contended in years past have fallen off or had their star player get up there in age (Germany, Argentina, France) So with Spain taking a beating it looks like it is going to be smooth sailing to gold.
BoZiffer
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1841 Posts
July 26 2012 05:50 GMT
#69
On July 26 2012 00:49 MilesTeg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2012 07:44 YODA_ wrote:
On July 24 2012 15:54 MilesTeg wrote:
On July 24 2012 14:39 rebdomine wrote:
On July 24 2012 14:22 MilesTeg wrote:
On July 24 2012 12:03 BoZiffer wrote:
Teams don't play the way during the Exhibitions as they do in the actual tournament. I wouldn't take much away from any of the exhibitions at all, for any team. US is still the favorite by a fair margin but there will be competitive moments for sure. Spain has size but lacks guys that can create their own shot and will suffer significantly against our perimeter defense. There will be some good ball played but the US is the clear favorite.


I never understood why "creating your own shot" is such an important skill but anyway a lot of their players can actually do that ^^. And they have some great pick and roll players, shooters and low post threats. Their offense is pretty good.

I think the most underrated aspect of their team is how athletic their perimeter guys are. They're not tall but they are explosive. Some of these guys aren't well known in the US (Sada, Llull) but they are good. Then you have Navarro who can be unstoppable if he's in a good day.

I don't know, I think Spain is looking pretty good. For some reason I thought Marc wasn't going to play but now that I know he will I'm going to change my prediction and say Spain wins this. I guess we'll have a first answer in a few hours!


A player who creates their own shot is a lot more difficult to guard. A team with only low post threats and stationary shooters will be easy to defend as you can just shut out the passing lanes and seriously hamper their offense.


Does "creating your own shot" even mean anything then. Because you seem to contrast that and low post play, which to me is the perfect example of creating your own shot.

Anyway at this level it's all about using screens and good ball movement. San Antonio and Denver were the 2 best offensive teams last season, would you say they have a lot of players who are good at creating their own shots?

"Creating your own shot" is a term generally given to a perimeter player who can't be simply guarded one-on-one on an isolation play. Kobe, James, Durant, Westbrook, etc, basically keep teams from playing man against them, because the US would be plenty happy to run James a top of the key iso play 40 times in a row, because they know noone on the opposing team can stay with him consistently. Hence, someone has to help him on defense. When someone helps, then someone else is open. So, yes, both Denver and Sane Antonio have multiple players who they would be content to run in an iso play 1 v 1 20 times in a row vs most teams if they let them. Creating your own play means that when an offensive play breaks down with 6 seconds on the shot-clock, you still have a good chance of a high percentage shot getting off. Yes, screens, ball movement, that is all good, we call that "offense". But when an offensive set breaks down or shows an unexpected opening, players that can create their own shot will make you pay almost every time.


I think both of those teams would rather run their sets and get open shots, but anyway it's really off topic. I was just reacting to the idea that getting a player who can create his own shots is an essential part of a team, which I believe is completely wrong.


Not all sets will yield open shots, especially if your shooters are set/spot shooters who, when pressured off their spots, can't create good looks. Or if the other team is more physical, etc. Is it essential, no. Is it an advantage, tremendously so in some cases.
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
July 26 2012 06:32 GMT
#70
Also it puts a lot of pressure on 1 on 1 defense. Who can actively guard anyone on the US team one on one? You're basically forced to go zone against a team like this. Although I guess that doesn't really matter so much in euro basketball, but there's still ways to abuse zone.
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
July 29 2012 13:31 GMT
#71
US vs France starting now!!!!
Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19239 Posts
July 29 2012 13:42 GMT
#72
Has anyone found a good stream online?
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Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
July 29 2012 13:49 GMT
#73
Some very nice rejections by the french big men so far.
Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.
Malaz
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany1257 Posts
July 29 2012 13:53 GMT
#74
On July 29 2012 22:42 BisuDagger wrote:
Has anyone found a good stream online?


I'm watching the online live stream of the German tv station that prodcasts the olympics, but I guess you have to be in Germany to be able to watch it. Not 100% sure though.

http://olympia.ard.de/apps/java/london2012/liveplayer/index.html
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
July 29 2012 14:01 GMT
#75
no one from the NBA thread is watching this? Woke up early to make sure I caught the whole thing. It's kind of refreshing to see non(less)biased referees working a game with NBA stars.
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
July 29 2012 14:06 GMT
#76
Stream: http://www.coolsport.tv/stream2.php
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
red4ce
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States7313 Posts
July 29 2012 14:07 GMT
#77
On July 29 2012 23:01 zulu_nation8 wrote:
no one from the NBA thread is watching this? Woke up early to make sure I caught the whole thing. It's kind of refreshing to see non(less)biased referees working a game with NBA stars.


I'm watching too. Just tuned in at the very end of the 1st quarter. Was watching Judo and forgot USA vs France had started heh.
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
July 29 2012 14:12 GMT
#78
That block by Durant...... OUCH.
Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.
Sadist
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States7229 Posts
July 29 2012 14:15 GMT
#79
this game is HORRIBLE. Seriously. So far it is just ugly ugly basketball with a whistle everytime down the floor. If USA made any shots at all theyd be up by 20.
How do you go from where you are to where you want to be? I think you have to have an enthusiasm for life. You have to have a dream, a goal and you have to be willing to work for it. Jim Valvano
Malaz
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany1257 Posts
July 29 2012 14:17 GMT
#80
France with only 50% from the free throw line is also pretty bad.
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