EPTBut good for this tournament stage. Makes things much more spicy.
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
But good for this tournament stage. Makes things much more spicy. | ||
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Gahlo
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DarkCore
Germany4194 Posts
Does UOL bot laner know how to play ADC? | ||
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AdsMoFro
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chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
On October 02 2019 23:54 chipmonklord17 wrote: UoL giveth, UoL taketh Second verse same as the first | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
I also have mad questions about their draft strategy but it isn’t deciding factor in any of the games so I’ll drop it for now | ||
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chipmonklord17
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M2
Bulgaria4146 Posts
On October 05 2019 02:36 chipmonklord17 wrote: Who the fuck came up with these ridiculous tie breaker rules? So UoL beats the higher seed team in "regular" play but clutch are the ones who get to sit out the first match? Mammoth is just out now despite the fact that two teams will be 2-3? What kind of shit is that? Where is mammoth's chance to beat clutch? Not to mention the super unfortunate scenario if UoL lose to clutch here and end up in second despite having a hypothetical 2-1 over them. rules are fine imo, providing that their main goal is to prevent endless tiebreaks, but to be decided in the least amount of games. Also the rules are known in advance so every team can take them into consideration. They could've favored mammoth, but unluckily for them, they didnt | ||
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Gahlo
United States35172 Posts
On October 05 2019 02:36 chipmonklord17 wrote: Who the fuck came up with these ridiculous tie breaker rules? So UoL beats the higher seed team in "regular" play but clutch are the ones who get to sit out the first match? Mammoth is just out now despite the fact that two teams will be 2-3? What kind of shit is that? Where is mammoth's chance to beat clutch? Not to mention the super unfortunate scenario if UoL lose to clutch here and end up in second despite having a hypothetical 2-1 over them. Those have been the rules for a bit. | ||
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chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
On October 05 2019 02:42 M2 wrote: rules are fine imo, providing that their main goal is to prevent endless tiebreaks, but to be decided in the least amount of games. Also the rules are known in advance so every team can take them into consideration. They could've favored mammoth, but unluckily for them, they didnt there's no way to take "oh fuck we're not a major region" into consideration. If you're going to have bo1s you need to accept that a flaw in your format is that you could potentially have endless tiebreakers to actually break your ties, and not just arbitrarily make matches count more. Now we have Clutch, whos in first despite being 1-2 with UoL, and UoL in second who was 1-2 with Mammoth. Either go to boX>1 and tiebreak by score, or accept you have the potential to tie break 'forever'. Its absolutely ridiculous that Mammoth got eliminated solely because Clutch is a major region team so they got to sit out, despite Clutch having lost to the lower seeded team in regular play. Riot has the resources to have them continue playing, casted/streamed or not, so the argument of having 'forever' tie breakers is absurd. Unless they seriously don't have 10 league capable spare PCs in their LEC studio, which would be hilariously incompetent | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
On October 05 2019 06:12 chipmonklord17 wrote:Riot has the resources to have them continue playing, casted/streamed or not, so the argument of having 'forever' tie breakers is absurd. Unless they seriously don't have 10 league capable spare PCs in their LEC studio, which would be hilariously incompetent It's not a PC thing, it's a viewer thing, now I know you are going to say MORE PLAYOFF GAMES IS GOOD FOR THE FANS. But this just turns out not to be true, viewers will definately SAY that this is what they want, but reality is much different, time and time again it's been proven by the viewer stats there is such a thing as too many games in a day. And ultimately all Esports formats are tailored to maximize these stats. | ||
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chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
On October 05 2019 07:34 Slusher wrote: You keep tying in major region as if the rule was implemented at the last minute specifically to help Clutch It's not a PC thing, it's a viewer thing, now I know you are going to say MORE PLAYOFF GAMES IS GOOD FOR THE FANS. But this just turns out not to be true, viewers will definately SAY that this is what they want, but reality is much different, time and time again it's been proven by the viewer stats there is such a thing as too many games in a day. And ultimately all Esports formats are tailored to maximize these stats. A stupid rule made X years ago is still a stupid rule. And it shouldn't be a viewer thing. It should be a competitive integrity of the tournament thing. Hell you could fire up Riotgames2 and had commentary-less tiebreakers happening all throughout tomorrows broadcast. Or not stream them at all and just have the Riot account live tweet. Would take up marginally more resources than they're currently taking up, and actually playing threw tie breakers is better than this nonsense. Arbitrarily cutting this group short when the difference between 1st and 2nd is literally life and death in worlds just sucks. Obviously no team from this group is gonna win the whole thing, but Mammoth was done dirty and Clutch got a free pass Also I'd like to point out that we've literally never had a 3 way tie in play ins since Worlds switched to this format | ||
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M2
Bulgaria4146 Posts
On October 05 2019 06:12 chipmonklord17 wrote: there's no way to take "oh fuck we're not a major region" into consideration. If you're going to have bo1s you need to accept that a flaw in your format is that you could potentially have endless tiebreakers to actually break your ties, and not just arbitrarily make matches count more. Now we have Clutch, whos in first despite being 1-2 with UoL, and UoL in second who was 1-2 with Mammoth. Either go to boX>1 and tiebreak by score, or accept you have the potential to tie break 'forever'. Its absolutely ridiculous that Mammoth got eliminated solely because Clutch is a major region team so they got to sit out, despite Clutch having lost to the lower seeded team in regular play. Riot has the resources to have them continue playing, casted/streamed or not, so the argument of having 'forever' tie breakers is absurd. Unless they seriously don't have 10 league capable spare PCs in their LEC studio, which would be hilariously incompetent wait wait, the elimination had nothing to do with major regions, but with the length of the games each team won. Clutch's two wins were the shortest, thats why they were seeded as 1st and the other two had to play an elimination game and then the winner to play with Clutch for 1st and 2nd seed. If Mammoth had the lowest times in their wins, then clutch and uol would have played for elimination and mammoth in the final. The rule for tiebreaks is around the wins length, nothing to do with regions, unless I did not understand and you meant something else | ||
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Gahlo
United States35172 Posts
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DarkCore
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M2
Bulgaria4146 Posts
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chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
On October 05 2019 17:43 M2 wrote: wait wait, the elimination had nothing to do with major regions, but with the length of the games each team won. Clutch's two wins were the shortest, thats why they were seeded as 1st and the other two had to play an elimination game and then the winner to play with Clutch for 1st and 2nd seed. If Mammoth had the lowest times in their wins, then clutch and uol would have played for elimination and mammoth in the final. The rule for tiebreaks is around the wins length, nothing to do with regions, unless I did not understand and you meant something else Oh, neat. I assumed it was tie breakers based on seed, didn't realize it was game time. Doesn't change the rest of my complaint but it at least explains some of it. | ||
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Sent.
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chipmonklord17
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AdsMoFro
Japan4761 Posts
No games tomorrow but Worlds will continue on Monday and Tuesday! ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/uySR1CH.jpg) | ||
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