EPTOh well, RIP, thanks for showing a great game 2, 3 and 4.
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Uldridge
Belgium5160 Posts
Oh well, RIP, thanks for showing a great game 2, 3 and 4. | ||
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Yorbon
Netherlands4272 Posts
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
In all, I guess if I was an unbiased League fan, I could applaud the fact that a western team took the reigning champs to the brink and almost ended a dynasty. But I'm not unbiased and I'm pretty disappointed, in Bang especially, that it took five games for SKT to close out a quarterfinals match against a LCS team. On October 21 2017 01:52 Uldridge wrote: I really hoped they could've closed g4.. and then I really hoped they could've closed g5. And then the smite steal happened. I don't know why you'd risk that actually, but apparently that's what you do when you're ahead, bait some smitefights. Sadly, they were in an inferior position and lost because of it. Actually, they were already losing the fight before the smite came down.. Guess they hoped for the Godly turnaround or something. Oh well, RIP, thanks for showing a great game 2, 3 and 4. I can imagine that MSF felt the game was slipping away, esp with Huni split pushing. If you checked the Bot Inhib turret, it was 400-500 hp left and if the game reset into another Baron/Elder dance, Huni would've broken the base because MSF weren't getting any initiations done. On October 20 2017 21:35 Gahlo wrote: I really wish casters would stop over hyping Infernal. idk, an individual Infernal dragon might not mean much but we're talking about three Infernals on one team with zero dragons on the other. I definitely think that's worth mentioning on cast. It's with those Infernals that PoE was 200 AP over Faker's Taliyah and melted Huni as fast as he did. | ||
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geript
10024 Posts
Sure, Infernal is far better on SKT with 3.5 damage threats. But with 2.5 items on Misfits and 30 minutes in, the effect the map pressure the scaling gives is more important than the flat numerical advantage. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35173 Posts
On October 20 2017 22:07 GrandInquisitor wrote: It would have been total disaster if it was given over to SKT. On MSF it has a big impact on Rageblade Varus and a medium impact on Syndra, but on SKT the Jayce/Jarvan/Taliyah/Tristana synergy would have been extreme. I agree, but when you hear casters hyping up triple infernal on such a weak infernal comp, it's kind of silly. It's why I have so many pet peeves about tower nomenclature, Infernals being called % damage, and damage being referred to as AD or AP damage in casting. On October 21 2017 04:35 NeoIllusions wrote: For all the talk on how western teams shouldn't be copying Korea and should play their own style, Misfits did so wonderfully. Drafts were definitely interesting once both teams "agreed" on banning Censer supports. The Lulu bait was really well done if that was their intention, I don't think I've ever seen Wolf as useless as that game. In all, I guess if I was an unbiased League fan, I could applaud the fact that a western team took the reigning champs to the brink and almost ended a dynasty. But I'm not unbiased and I'm pretty disappointed, in Bang especially, that it took five games for SKT to close out a quarterfinals match against a LCS team. I can imagine that MSF felt the game was slipping away, esp with Huni split pushing. If you checked the Bot Inhib turret, it was 400-500 hp left and if the game reset into another Baron/Elder dance, Huni would've broken the base because MSF weren't getting any initiations done. idk, an individual Infernal dragon might not mean much but we're talking about three Infernals on one team with zero dragons on the other. I definitely think that's worth mentioning on cast. It's with those Infernals that PoE was 200 AP over Faker's Taliyah and melted Huni as fast as he did. Infernals can definitely be very impactful, but the Varus(in the case of a fully stacked Rageblade) was getting ~33AD and 75.6-100ishAP(depending on order of operations with Deathcap) on the Syndra doesn't make it a strong Infernal comp like it would have been on SKT considering they had 1AP and 2AD builders. | ||
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Ansibled
United Kingdom9872 Posts
Calling triple infernal Syndra weak is interesting. | ||
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chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35173 Posts
On October 21 2017 07:21 Ansibled wrote: Just because you don't have as many people as possible using the stats doesn't mean it's not a strong comp for infernal lol... triple infernal is great and flaming casters for hyping it is just insane. Calling triple infernal Syndra weak is interesting. Triple infernal is great if you have a high ability to make use of it. Syndra/Varus is not a great triple infernal core. It is nowhere close to 24% increased damage. My issues with casters and infernal is them dumbing down the effects of the dragon and making it larger and more impactful that it actually is. I'd take double infernal with SKT's comp over triple infernal with Misfit's comp. This is the same shit I deal with on reddit where a lot of people thing "overrated" means bad. | ||
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Kyo Yuy
United States1286 Posts
When finals comes, SKT will actually start trying and it will be 3-0 vs Samsung. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
Poll: how much damage did the three Infernal dragons add to that combo? (Jayce's MR does not affect the answer.) Poll: How much damage did 3x Infernal add to a QRE combo by a 630AP Syndra? 15% (3) 10% (1) 20% (1) 25% (1) 6 total votes Your vote: How much damage did 3x Infernal add to a QRE combo by a 630AP Syndra? | ||
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Yorbon
Netherlands4272 Posts
Edit because MC changed into poll | ||
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Gahlo
United States35173 Posts
On October 21 2017 09:11 GrandInquisitor wrote: At the end of that game the max-level Syndra kills Jayce with a QRE + Thunderlord's combo. The R uses 5 spheres. At the time of the combo, she had 630 AP and three Infernal dragons, which added 24% AP. (She finished the game with 631 AP after that kill.) Poll: how much damage did the three Infernal dragons add to that combo? (Jayce's MR does not affect the answer.) Poll: How much damage did 3x Infernal add to a QRE combo by a 630AP Syndra? 15% (3) 10% (1) 20% (1) 25% (1) 6 total votes Your vote: How much damage did 3x Infernal add to a QRE combo by a 630AP Syndra? 630AP before or after Infernal? | ||
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35173 Posts
On October 21 2017 10:03 GrandInquisitor wrote: After Infernal. Infernal AP adds ~250 damage. The full damage of the combo is ~2500. Note: This was using a 4ball ult. 5ball - Infernal: ~275 Full: ~2806 last edit: Forgot Liandry burn. | ||
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AdsMoFro
Japan4761 Posts
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dsyxelic
United States1417 Posts
The rank 4 W and rank 5 Q are around the same damage (3 damage difference at 630 ap) so results should be similar (in the actual game, syndra was not max level). Note: I ignored Liandries burn, 5 points of merciless, and purple elixir burn damage for simpler calculation. Jayce MR: 64 Syndra AP and AD w/ Infernals: 630 / 133 Syndra AP and AD w/o Infernals: 508 /107 Things besides syndra spells to account for: thunderlord - 170+30%bonus ad,10%ap 2% from sorcery 26 flat mpen No infernal Syndra W 545.6 , 1408 R, TDL 220.8, 554.8 e = 2729.2 w/ sorcery = 2783.784 full damage after mr calc = 2017.23 3x Infernals Syndra W 631 ,1530 R, TDL 240.8, 628 e = 3029.8 w/ sorcery = 3090.396 full damage after mr calc = 2239.42 ~11% damage increase This is just burst though so obviously there will be more damage in a prolonged fight from 3x infernals. | ||
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
My vote is Trist. While Censer meta is still dominate at this tournament, Trist really shines on two facets: her late game scaling with her range, allowing her to team fight front to back with relative ease, and second, how well she can take down turrets, despite being a "late game" carry. I've seen good Varus games during LCK this season but no one's stepped up on the champion yet imo. I'm not a fan of Kog/Twitch as much but I suspect the CN ADCs will still lean heavily towards hyper carries. She even made Doublelift look good zz. I know we went over "overrated/underwhelming" picks a few pages back but Faker still looks like a god on Ryze, everyone is babo as fk. Shen amusingly enough does best with aggressive teams, using Stand United offensively than defensively. | ||
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AdsMoFro
Japan4761 Posts
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