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Join the LiquidLegends 2017 Worlds Pick'em Group!

Ban bets!!
Ban bets will continue for the duration of Worlds. You can place bet at any phase of Worlds; on individual games, series, whatever your heart desires.
Bans will be enacted the day after Worlds ends, to ensure everyone can still post on LL while Worlds is ongoing. glhf~

- Winners in bold
- better, better's win condition, bettee [ban duration for loser]
- Yorbon, EDG fails to make it out of groups, vs DarkCore [1 week]
- Sleight, Fnatic doesn't make it out of groups, vs AlterKot [2:1 weeks]
- Apex, Gigabyte getting out of groups as a 1st place seed + TSM will finish 1st in their groups + Samsung will fail to qualify from their group + C9 will get out of their groups, vs JimmiC [1 week]
- geript, Korean teams will win a combined 17 or more games in Groups, vs Gahlo [1 month]
- geript, NA teams will win a combined 7 or less games in Groups, vs Torchise [1 month]
- zer0das, SKT doesn't win Worlds, vs no one [1 year]
- Zato-1, NA teams combined wins will be greater than or equal to EU teams combined wins, vs Yorbon [1 month]
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35150 Posts
September 26 2017 12:07 GMT
#181
TSM group draw being ezpz possibility intensifying.
DarkCore
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany4194 Posts
September 26 2017 12:59 GMT
#182
Fnatic vs HKA, that's going to be fun to watch. We'll get to see if Fnatic will wake up or prove they really do suck.

And the WE vs YG matchup will reveal the same for CN: if they play just as poorly as FNC they might actually lose and make me look like an idiot for hyping them as possibly the best CN team.
Fixed a bug where LeBlanc could lose
GrandInquisitor *
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
New York City13113 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-26 13:12:50
September 26 2017 13:11 GMT
#183
Sucks for Lyon. Consistently one of the best-ever WC teams and yet has never made it into Worlds main draw. They'd definitely prefer to be facing FB or FNC instead of C9 (or WE).
What fun is it being cool if you can’t wear a sombrero?
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35150 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-26 13:13:04
September 26 2017 13:12 GMT
#184
For those looking:
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Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
September 26 2017 13:13 GMT
#185
If they got Fnatic I'd say they had a decent shot but C9 can brute force through these wild card teams with just laning strength mostly.
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
September 26 2017 15:17 GMT
#186
Damn so Fnatic are the unlucky ones. That would suck if they do not make it into groups.
Off-season = best season
lilwisper
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2515 Posts
September 26 2017 15:31 GMT
#187
On September 26 2017 20:28 Scip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2017 14:28 Slusher wrote:
Is super leash into full jungle clear + back an actual route feels like putting your bot at a disadvantage for no reason

I think there might be the Scip jungle pressure principle going on during that route

you see, as a jungler, as soon as you gank, you lose all jungle pressure. But if your enemy doesn't know where you are, they are shitting themselves while you are farming efficiently. The superleash into full clear is the extreme example of this principle at work.
You may laugh, but I got challenger with no pre-6 gank Evelynn a few seasons back xD


Isn't there a timing where you can say "ok they are probably farming and have backed by now"?
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
September 26 2017 15:39 GMT
#188
So the bo5s are win and you're in?
Carrilord has arrived.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
September 26 2017 15:44 GMT
#189
Yea looks like it.
chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
September 26 2017 16:29 GMT
#190
Really fucking mad about the draw. You have the weakest first seed versus the weakest second in Fenerbahce vs one meanwhile Lyon gets the honor of being C9s latest victim. The only other strong wildcard team gets fucking WE. Really fucking salty that ONE and Lyon aren't switched
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
September 26 2017 17:32 GMT
#191
On September 27 2017 00:31 lilwisper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2017 20:28 Scip wrote:
On September 26 2017 14:28 Slusher wrote:
Is super leash into full jungle clear + back an actual route feels like putting your bot at a disadvantage for no reason

I think there might be the Scip jungle pressure principle going on during that route

you see, as a jungler, as soon as you gank, you lose all jungle pressure. But if your enemy doesn't know where you are, they are shitting themselves while you are farming efficiently. The superleash into full clear is the extreme example of this principle at work.
You may laugh, but I got challenger with no pre-6 gank Evelynn a few seasons back xD


Isn't there a timing where you can say "ok they are probably farming and have backed by now"?

That timing gets progressively fuzzier the longer you haven't seen the enemy jugnler. It's a tricky thing to rely on.
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
September 26 2017 17:51 GMT
#192
Feel like that is much better for solo q. Even bad teams get camp wards in, so the way to trick then is to actually not farm.
Freeeeeeedom
lilwisper
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2515 Posts
September 26 2017 20:04 GMT
#193
On September 27 2017 02:32 Scip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2017 00:31 lilwisper wrote:
On September 26 2017 20:28 Scip wrote:
On September 26 2017 14:28 Slusher wrote:
Is super leash into full jungle clear + back an actual route feels like putting your bot at a disadvantage for no reason

I think there might be the Scip jungle pressure principle going on during that route

you see, as a jungler, as soon as you gank, you lose all jungle pressure. But if your enemy doesn't know where you are, they are shitting themselves while you are farming efficiently. The superleash into full clear is the extreme example of this principle at work.
You may laugh, but I got challenger with no pre-6 gank Evelynn a few seasons back xD


Isn't there a timing where you can say "ok they are probably farming and have backed by now"?

That timing gets progressively fuzzier the longer you haven't seen the enemy jugnler. It's a tricky thing to rely on.


I see. I'm guessing that fuzziness adds to the pressure of not seeing the jungler. In your head you're saying "he's got to have backed by now", but the discipline you've trained into your subconscious tells you to still play safe.
Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9198 Posts
September 26 2017 21:07 GMT
#194
Where's jungle Ezreal?
You're now breathing manually
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
September 26 2017 21:13 GMT
#195
I think Diamond played it once?
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Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9198 Posts
September 26 2017 21:28 GMT
#196
He played Gragas twice, Kayn and Sejuani.
You're now breathing manually
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
September 26 2017 21:28 GMT
#197
Condi on WE played it iirc. It was ok, WE just steamrolled everyone even if they inted a bit early game.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
September 26 2017 22:31 GMT
#198
Contractz played it once and did the most damage in the game but his early pathing looked like he hadn't even tried it in solo q yet (he attempted raptors lvl2)
Carrilord has arrived.
General_Winter
Profile Joined February 2011
United States719 Posts
September 27 2017 01:38 GMT
#199
On September 27 2017 07:31 Slusher wrote:
Contractz played it once and did the most damage in the game but his early pathing looked like he hadn't even tried it in solo q yet (he attempted raptors lvl2)


Mind games. They see him and think, "what could he have possibly done to take all that damage?" Then have no clue what his path was.
Zato-1
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Chile4253 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-27 02:33:53
September 27 2017 02:27 GMT
#200
On September 27 2017 00:17 Redox wrote:
Damn so Fnatic are the unlucky ones. That would suck if they do not make it into groups.

I don't think getting HKA is especially unlucky. Out of the 2nd-place teams, YG, Lyon and HKA all look moderately threatening. One looks far weaker than the rest, though, so Fenerbahçe got their ticket into the main event on a silver platter.

As for the 1st-place teams, C9 and WE definitely look like the teams you'd want to avoid. Lyon couldn't face WE because they were on the same group, but then drew the short stick and got C9.

C9 > Lyon and Fenerbahçe > One look pretty one-sided. WE is favored over YG, but I can imagine an upset happening here. HKA vs. Fnatic looks pretty close, but I favor HKA.
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