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I don't know who told Balls to stay pushing bot, but if he was there for the Hai shockwave, Flyquest would've turned that around easy.
On April 17 2017 05:59 zer0das wrote:
I really don't understand the whole AD Kennen top crap. I guess BotRK is slightly better, but the days of a lane dominant AD Kennen in top lane are looooong over. Might as well go AP if you're gonna sack a lane so you actually do something late game. Specially if you're gonna build tabbi/two dorans/Jaurim's Fist... at what point are you ever going to be a threat?
They want Kennen for split push and the AoE stun option from his ult, as the lack of damage from AP items is made up for the fact that the mid and the ADC usually have AoE skills, or in the case of ADC, go Hurricane.
Personally I say just go BotRK into AP items, mainly Zhonyas and Void Staff. Gives him enough AD for split pushing, but has the AP for the ulti to do more damage, especially when most of the ulti's damage is back-loaded (due to nerfs previously to stop support Kennen from being a thing).
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On April 17 2017 05:59 zer0das wrote:
I really don't understand the whole AD Kennen top crap. I guess BotRK is slightly better, but the days of a lane dominant AD Kennen in top lane are looooong over. Might as well go AP if you're gonna sack a lane so you actually do something late game. Specially if you're gonna build tabbi/two dorans/Jaurim's Fist... at what point are you ever going to be a threat?
No one understands it man. It just seems terrible.
lol @ balls flashing in with ulti with everyone on TSM being low hp into doing fuck all. AD kennen is just useless.
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I can't see FlyQuest coming back from this, TSM looking like the better team in all aspects.
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I think TSM will 3-0 as well but it's not that clean. FLY had some opportunities in both games so far. If TSM finish up it should be an interesting series versus c9. I actually feel like c9 won more easily versus p1 then TSM is versus FLY at the moment. I'd probably still favor TSM though based on the second half of the season.
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On April 17 2017 06:11 Kyo Yuy wrote:
I can't see FlyQuest coming back from this, TSM looking like the better team in all aspects.
Well, we'll find out if NA LCS really is a scripted Anime now. We can have confirmation If Flyquest reverse sweeps TSM and Doublelift ends back up in TL.
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FQ baffles me. Why on earth would you pick Mao here. Do they just like going for champs that used to be good but got nerfed into being worse than others?
edit: Man it's crazy how bad the early games of both NA and EUs best teams are.
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On April 17 2017 05:59 zer0das wrote:
I really don't understand the whole AD Kennen top crap. I guess BotRK is slightly better, but the days of a lane dominant AD Kennen in top lane are looooong over. Might as well go AP if you're gonna sack a lane so you actually do something late game. Specially if you're gonna build tabbi/two dorans/Jaurim's Fist... at what point are you ever going to be a threat?
You can't really have the same impact late game if you go AP, since they somewhat back loaded the damage on his ult so you can't just run in and blow things up the same way anymore..
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On April 17 2017 06:08 Kinie wrote:They want Kennen for split push and the AoE stun option from his ult, as the lack of damage from AP items is made up for the fact that the mid and the ADC usually have AoE skills, or in the case of ADC, go Hurricane.
Personally I say just go BotRK into AP items, mainly Zhonyas and Void Staff. Gives him enough AD for split pushing, but has the AP for the ulti to do more damage, especially when most of the ulti's damage is back-loaded (due to nerfs previously to stop support Kennen from being a thing).
Here's the problem: you're expecting Altec to do something. Also, TP takes forever to channel these days, you're not split pushing and getting a good flank nearly as easily as you used to be able to. You're probably sitting on fountain so you have the speed buff. How much time do people actually get split pushing these days? To the point where it results in kill, turrets getting taken, the game turning off of it? Very few. And you're not doing it with a mediocre split pusher like Kennen.
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On April 17 2017 06:30 Numy wrote:
FQ baffles me. Why on earth would you pick Mao here. Do they just like going for champs that used to be good but got nerfed into being worse than others?
edit: Man it's crazy how bad the early games of both NA and EUs best teams are.
It's hard to have a good early game with WildTurtle on your team
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On April 17 2017 07:00 Gahlo wrote:
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You forgot SKT winning everything.
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What scrappy games, I guess TSM's plan was to force FQ to play at their pace, and they just went with it. But so many mistakes from TSM, those games were not clean at all. Especially those early Sven invades... The EU games today looked of a far higher quality.
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Welp, that went about as expected. The only surprising thing about this series is that Flyquest even managed to make it this far, I'm fully expecting them to get rolled by P1 next week as well.
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On April 17 2017 06:09 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2017 05:59 zer0das wrote:
I really don't understand the whole AD Kennen top crap. I guess BotRK is slightly better, but the days of a lane dominant AD Kennen in top lane are looooong over. Might as well go AP if you're gonna sack a lane so you actually do something late game. Specially if you're gonna build tabbi/two dorans/Jaurim's Fist... at what point are you ever going to be a threat? No one understands it man. It just seems terrible. lol @ balls flashing in with ulti with everyone on TSM being low hp into doing fuck all. AD kennen is just useless.
Smeb makes it look good. The TLDR of BORK Kennen is you should be 2-3 levels and 50+ CS ahead.
Also. Is Hai the biggest miracle in Esports right now? 2 years ago I was (and I think everyone was) saying, "Its a shame that he's the best shotcaller in the west, but doesn't have the mechanics for his team to be competitive." Now he seems perfectly capable of stalling midlane with elite shotcalling, and I'm saying, "Its really a shame Hai's sidlanes are such shit they lose even with significant gank advantages."
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Hai's shotcalling is overrated, he makes as many idiotic decisions as good ones.
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On April 17 2017 07:00 Gahlo wrote:
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I must say it is pretty impressive how TSM and even more so SKT stay so strong all this time.
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On April 18 2017 01:00 lilwisper wrote:I must say it is pretty impressive how TSM and even more so SKT stay so strong all this time.
TSM pre Bjergsen had pretty stacked in region rosters and Bjerg era TSM and SKT have had the best player in the region at the most impactful position in the game. So I don't know how impressive that really is.
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On April 18 2017 01:54 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2017 01:00 lilwisper wrote:On April 17 2017 07:00 Gahlo wrote:
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TSM in finals. I must say it is pretty impressive how TSM and even more so SKT stay so strong all this time. TSM pre Bjergsen had pretty stacked in region rosters and Bjerg era TSM and SKT have had the best player in the region at the most impactful position in the game. So I don't know how impressive that really is.
It's true that Bjerg is a beast and Faker is even more of an animal. Extremely talented people. However it has been shown that without every cog working, and not just the star, that it is very easy to fall and fall hard. Even TSM and SKT have had their moments. However, they got past it and TSM has been in every NA final and SKT have won Worlds 3 times. The impressive part is the fact that they are consistent when more teams are becoming stronger and stronger in a game where one chink in your armor will send you spiraling down if not vanishing outright.
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On April 18 2017 03:00 lilwisper wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2017 01:54 Gahlo wrote:On April 18 2017 01:00 lilwisper wrote:On April 17 2017 07:00 Gahlo wrote:
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TSM in finals. I must say it is pretty impressive how TSM and even more so SKT stay so strong all this time. TSM pre Bjergsen had pretty stacked in region rosters and Bjerg era TSM and SKT have had the best player in the region at the most impactful position in the game. So I don't know how impressive that really is. It's true that Bjerg is a beast and Faker is even more of an animal. Extremely talented people. However it has been shown that without every cog working, and not just the star, that it is very easy to fall and fall hard. Even TSM and SKT have had their moments. However, they got past it and TSM has been in every NA final and SKT have won Worlds 3 times. The impressive part is the fact that they are consistent when more teams are becoming stronger and stronger in a game where one chink in your armor will send you spiraling down if not vanishing outright.
TSMs consistency really is amazing but I think it's a bit disingenuous to say other teams have become stronger. NA has been largely a two horse race for the entirety of the scenes existence with merely who were the two horses changing at certain times. The fact that TSM has basically always been one of the two is incredible.
Do wonder if the weakness of the rest of the teams is partly to blame for lack of any kind of international success. When you're always at the top uncontested mostly it must be hard to truly get to the next level. You need that running buddy pushing you forward to new heights. SKT has always had that force of antagonism. Western League seems to lack that currently.
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On April 18 2017 03:20 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2017 03:00 lilwisper wrote:On April 18 2017 01:54 Gahlo wrote:On April 18 2017 01:00 lilwisper wrote:On April 17 2017 07:00 Gahlo wrote:
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TSM in finals. I must say it is pretty impressive how TSM and even more so SKT stay so strong all this time. TSM pre Bjergsen had pretty stacked in region rosters and Bjerg era TSM and SKT have had the best player in the region at the most impactful position in the game. So I don't know how impressive that really is. It's true that Bjerg is a beast and Faker is even more of an animal. Extremely talented people. However it has been shown that without every cog working, and not just the star, that it is very easy to fall and fall hard. Even TSM and SKT have had their moments. However, they got past it and TSM has been in every NA final and SKT have won Worlds 3 times. The impressive part is the fact that they are consistent when more teams are becoming stronger and stronger in a game where one chink in your armor will send you spiraling down if not vanishing outright. TSMs consistency really is amazing but I think it's a bit disingenuous to say other teams have become stronger. NA has been largely a two horse race for the entirety of the scenes existence with merely who were the two horses changing at certain times. The fact that TSM has basically always been one of the two is incredible. Do wonder if the weakness of the rest of the teams is partly to blame for lack of any kind of international success. When you're always at the top uncontested mostly it must be hard to truly get to the next level. You need that running buddy pushing you forward to new heights. SKT has always had that force of antagonism. Western League seems to lack that currently.
I can't argue the 2 horse view. You are totally right on that one.
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