[NA LCS] Spring Playoffs 2017

On April 09 2017 05:57 eagle wrote:
i mean DARTH METEOS is clearly better at tank jungler i mean Zac and Elise but i think inori better at like Rengar and Khazix

On April 09 2017 07:45 Sent. wrote:
Time to ban Shen and put Ssumday on a carry

SHOT-CALLERS STREAM

On April 10 2017 07:25 zer0das wrote:
Man, Huhi being mega disrespectful trying to get some farm in.. lol.

On April 10 2017 05:49 Numy wrote:
Shame that IMT couldn't get it together fast enough to make it to playoffs. Seeing FQ in it instead if a bit frustrating.

On April 10 2017 07:41 Zato-1 wrote:

CLG isn't exactly impressing me. Makes me wonder if either of these teams could've taken down Dignitas, but instead Dig had to face the far more formidable P1.

On April 10 2017 07:47 Numy wrote:

The playoffs across both regions has just been pretty shit one sided games constantly. Very rarely get anything competitive even if the series is competitive.

Moon and Stixxay still playing pretty dam solid though. I feel like if you combine these two teams, you could get something pretty strong coming out.

On April 10 2017 07:50 lilwisper wrote:


Hai and Moon to CLG and the rest of CLG is the same?

On April 10 2017 05:55 Ansibled wrote:

He didn't really have that bad of a game, his Aurelion Sol is just strangely really fucking good.

On April 10 2017 08:49 Gahlo wrote:
Power of friendship acquires more vacation time.

If they make it through the break, no way this roster doesn't have changes at the end of the year.

On April 10 2017 08:51 Zato-1 wrote:
On the plus side, I'm pretty happy about TSM's prospects for the semis

On April 10 2017 08:53 Ansibled wrote:
Holy shit Zion uninstall the game.

On April 10 2017 08:54 lilwisper wrote:
Hai confirms Riot scripts! LOL

On April 10 2017 08:58 dsyxelic wrote:
honestly not surprised zion was the one to throw

he's done several of these already

On April 10 2017 22:44 ticklishmusic wrote:


zion would have been better than this darshan guy :^)

On April 11 2017 18:14 Gahlo wrote:
Yeah, it's kind of amusing how suckered in they got with CLG.

that team's in need of a tear down. It needs sololaners bad.

On April 16 2017 05:17 Numy wrote:
P1 is so weird. Stunt plays a bunch and in series before this. Now he's not playing. Meteos comes in does a great job, now it's just Inori every game. What the hell is going on.

On April 16 2017 05:58 Numy wrote:
P1 looks real bad. C9 is looking ok. Contractz is still an absolute beast. Looks like another season of LCS with only 2 real teams in the whole league.

edit: Now P1 changes almost half their team mid series. This team is so random.

edit2: yea this is easy 3-0. Rather sad P1 putting up essentially no resistance whole series. Don't know what this team is thinking with drafts/roster/play. If they manage to turn this around it'll be a dam miracle.

On April 16 2017 06:50 Numy wrote:
It's more just anything stable. Constantly changing around series after series sounds like a really bad way to build a solid team.

Man this series was a complete stomp. G2 vs Fnatic was close compared to this. Is NA LCS just going to be 2 real teams and 8 inters forever?

On April 16 2017 09:02 Zato-1 wrote:

This feels a little unfair to P1 to me. Yes, they got smashed in week 9 by both TSM and C9, then proceeded to get smashed even harder by C9 in Playoffs.

At the same time, TSM, C9 and P1 all looked shaky at one time or another during the split, and while now C9 and TSM are clearly a tier above them, this wasn't the case throughout the regular split. P1 were legitimate contenders for a top-2 finish all the way up to the final week of the regular split, and I for one favored them over C9 leading up to that 9th-week showdown (C9 went 2-2 over the previous 2 weeks, compared to P1's 4-0). P1 had lost their 1st series vs. TSM, but they'd won vs. C9 in week 5.

The race for the top honestly looked like a 3-horse race to me, until P1 decided to fall into a slump at the worst possible time.

On April 17 2017 05:21 Numy wrote:
Have my doubts about FQ managing to get one game unless TSM drops the ball hard.

On April 17 2017 05:36 Kyo Yuy wrote:

I don't think TSM will drop any games in playoffs. Cloud9 had close victories against Phoenix1, and I think against an actually decent team C9 will be completely crushed.

On April 17 2017 05:59 zer0das wrote:
I really don't understand the whole AD Kennen top crap. I guess BotRK is slightly better, but the days of a lane dominant AD Kennen in top lane are looooong over. Might as well go AP if you're gonna sack a lane so you actually do something late game. Specially if you're gonna build tabbi/two dorans/Jaurim's Fist... at what point are you ever going to be a threat?

On April 17 2017 05:59 zer0das wrote:
I really don't understand the whole AD Kennen top crap. I guess BotRK is slightly better, but the days of a lane dominant AD Kennen in top lane are looooong over. Might as well go AP if you're gonna sack a lane so you actually do something late game. Specially if you're gonna build tabbi/two dorans/Jaurim's Fist... at what point are you ever going to be a threat?

On April 17 2017 06:11 Kyo Yuy wrote:
I can't see FlyQuest coming back from this, TSM looking like the better team in all aspects.

On April 17 2017 06:08 Kinie wrote:They want Kennen for split push and the AoE stun option from his ult, as the lack of damage from AP items is made up for the fact that the mid and the ADC usually have AoE skills, or in the case of ADC, go Hurricane.

Personally I say just go BotRK into AP items, mainly Zhonyas and Void Staff. Gives him enough AD for split pushing, but has the AP for the ulti to do more damage, especially when most of the ulti's damage is back-loaded (due to nerfs previously to stop support Kennen from being a thing).

On April 17 2017 06:30 Numy wrote:
FQ baffles me. Why on earth would you pick Mao here. Do they just like going for champs that used to be good but got nerfed into being worse than others?

edit: Man it's crazy how bad the early games of both NA and EUs best teams are.

On April 17 2017 07:00 Gahlo wrote:
Death

Taxes

TSM in finals.

On April 17 2017 06:09 Numy wrote:

No one understands it man. It just seems terrible.

lol @ balls flashing in with ulti with everyone on TSM being low hp into doing fuck all. AD kennen is just useless.

On April 17 2017 07:00 Gahlo wrote:
Death

Taxes

TSM in finals.

On April 18 2017 01:54 Gahlo wrote:

TSM pre Bjergsen had pretty stacked in region rosters and Bjerg era TSM and SKT have had the best player in the region at the most impactful position in the game. So I don't know how impressive that really is.

On April 18 2017 03:00 lilwisper wrote:


It's true that Bjerg is a beast and Faker is even more of an animal. Extremely talented people. However it has been shown that without every cog working, and not just the star, that it is very easy to fall and fall hard. Even TSM and SKT have had their moments. However, they got past it and TSM has been in every NA final and SKT have won Worlds 3 times. The impressive part is the fact that they are consistent when more teams are becoming stronger and stronger in a game where one chink in your armor will send you spiraling down if not vanishing outright.

On April 18 2017 03:20 Numy wrote:


TSMs consistency really is amazing but I think it's a bit disingenuous to say other teams have become stronger. NA has been largely a two horse race for the entirety of the scenes existence with merely who were the two horses changing at certain times. The fact that TSM has basically always been one of the two is incredible.

Do wonder if the weakness of the rest of the teams is partly to blame for lack of any kind of international success. When you're always at the top uncontested mostly it must be hard to truly get to the next level. You need that running buddy pushing you forward to new heights. SKT has always had that force of antagonism. Western League seems to lack that currently.

On April 18 2017 03:20 Numy wrote:


TSMs consistency really is amazing but I think it's a bit disingenuous to say other teams have become stronger. NA has been largely a two horse race for the entirety of the scenes existence with merely who were the two horses changing at certain times. The fact that TSM has basically always been one of the two is incredible.

Do wonder if the weakness of the rest of the teams is partly to blame for lack of any kind of international success. When you're always at the top uncontested mostly it must be hard to truly get to the next level. You need that running buddy pushing you forward to new heights. SKT has always had that force of antagonism. Western League seems to lack that currently.

On April 18 2017 06:01 Gahlo wrote:

Were fairly high tier in the case of Piglet. No way in hell Flyquest is the 3rd best team.

On April 18 2017 06:32 dsyxelic wrote:
what's so bad about Impact being good in NA? He's not as good as the elite korean tops in LCK but he's certainly right below them so its not bad.

On April 18 2017 06:32 dsyxelic wrote:
like we know ssumday (and others outside of NA) is individually better but impact has transitioned nicely

On April 18 2017 06:32 dsyxelic wrote:
impact could still play in the LCK and be probably an average top or at least a serviceable one.

On April 18 2017 06:32 dsyxelic wrote:
piglet's stock has dropped heavily. the only time he was the 'top' of NA LCS was in s6 spring when he was easily top 2 ADC NA. which is not too surprising considering the meta then. piglet's streaky patch player. on a good run he is a world class ADC and the other times he is barely average to below average.

On April 18 2017 06:32 dsyxelic wrote:
NA players aren't the joke, it's the NA system.

in the case of ssumday: he's clearly individually the best top laner in the NA LCS but outside of the korean system he is near helpless besides the rare 1v9. the only one that seems to have some hope is TSM but even they have their many flaws.

On April 18 2017 06:32 dsyxelic wrote:
now if TSM and TL combined with steve doing only the business side ($$$) and regi doing everything else, I could maybe see a team that's consistently worlds bracket stage tier but other than that lol

On April 18 2017 07:04 cLutZ wrote:

Its embarrassing he was ever the top of NA LCS

On April 18 2017 07:27 Gahlo wrote:

What I'm saying is the Impact is still pretty good in NA but Piglet has not been for a while unless the meta fit him perfectly. That is "wtf" I'm talking about.

Flyquest finished 5th, only ahead of DIG because they lost one fewer games. They are going to end up 4th in playoffs because CLG has the accidental choking capability of a toddler.

On April 18 2017 07:04 cLutZ wrote:


1. Impact was the best toplaner in the LCS for a while. So IDK wtf you are talking about.

2. Fly placed 3rd, will finish 3/4, and its not like CLG would be favored against them...


Its, basically, part 1 of "the gap".



That is bad.



Serviceable for a team no decent NA team will ever face internationally.



Its embarrassing he was ever the top of NA LCS


Clearly we have demonstrated that it is both.


Regi appears to outclass Steve at all relevant skills so IDK what the point of the merger is.

On April 18 2017 08:40 dsyxelic wrote:


why is it bad? what is so wrong about a player from a superior league being good in a lesser league?
I don't understand your logic here. it's nothing new to sports or esports.

ok again what is your point? Impact would be average enough in a superior league that he wouldn't face NA teams internationally. what is the problem again?

no cause piglet was actually good then. or at least in the context of the world, 'good enough'.

yes it is both but the bigger problem is the system while you are focusing more on the players for some reason.

disagree. steve seems better at getting sponsorships at deals with a historically mediocre (and lately shit) team. granted it may be he is just spending more time on it, who knows. but you can't dismiss all the money steve has generated.

dunno why you are trying to edgelord here


though honestly not sure if you are just a really distraught NA fan who has just discovered that korea will be far superior than NA for a long time.

On April 20 2017 04:06 Gahlo wrote:

I think you're selling TSM a bit short on that. They have solomid, probuilds, champion.gg, and a few other websites.

On April 22 2017 08:39 Zato-1 wrote:
C9 vs. TSM finals looks really close on paper. The things I'll be watching out for are:

Svenskeren: This guy's been really inconsistent- sometimes he's a beast, other times he feeds. C9 really wants to get an edge in the jungle to make up for their disadvantages in mid and toplane.

C9 Toplane: Impact on a tank sounds like C9's best bet to me. Playing Ray on a carry champion instead could pay off bigtime, but will more likely fall flat against a Hauntzer who can expect support from Bjergsen and Svenskeren.

Wildturtle: Turtle did surprisingly well vs. Flyquest in the semis, but Sneaky + Smoothie is a much scarier botlane than Altec + Lemon, and C9 is a hell of a lot tougher than Flyquest. I'm expecting Wildturtle's performance to fall anywhere between serviceable to irrelevant.

I won't call the series either way because I'm not even rooting that hard for TSM... I want to see them win, but I also want to see Turtle fail so Doublelift comes back into the fold.

As for P1 vs. Flyquest... Flyquest is on an upswing of sorts, P1 is in freefall, but I still have to favor P1. I just can't bring myself to favor the likes of Balls, Moon and Lemon over the likes of zig, Inori/Meteos and Ryu.

On April 23 2017 04:15 TitusVI wrote:
Team with lulu wins. Why would flyquest give away the lulu. Every fcking play they will make the lulu will fck them over and every play p1 makes the lulu will give them the edge to make it work.

On April 23 2017 04:27 Zato-1 wrote:
Is Ivern's early game shit, or is Inori just getting outjungled really hard by Moon? 26 cs to 53 is terrible

On April 23 2017 04:48 Gahlo wrote:
Keep in mind that Ivern has underinflated CS scores because when he clears Krugs he only get credit from the ones the spawn. So he gets 2 CS for 80 gold from it as opposed to the 10 CS for 160g.

On April 23 2017 06:41 Kyo Yuy wrote:
So do people still think FlyQuest is a 10th place team?

On April 23 2017 14:39 Gahlo wrote:
Yeah, I don't think Flyquest are going to do better in the summer. Nor do I think they're above average. They were able to sneak into playoffs due to cheesing teams out early in the split. A lot of teams got better as time went along and could make big strides with 1 roster change in the right direction. Who does Flyquest have that's an actual carry potential in NA outside of Hai's shotcalling?

On April 24 2017 04:33 DarkCore wrote:
Yeah, C9 getting wrecked, hope this isn't an indicator for the rest of the series. Every lane losing...

On April 24 2017 05:14 lilwisper wrote:
It seems like subs are usually a detriment in playoff games. I can't remember a sub making a difference in an important game. I only remember the "starters" having to come back to save the day.

On April 24 2017 05:25 DarkCore wrote:
Wtf is Sven doing, he legit does this at the start of every game. Is he inting???

On April 24 2017 07:11 Kinie wrote:
What the hell is this TSM draft? Instead of going for the unkillable hyper-carry ADC, they go for the super unkillable tank and leave all the damage up to basically Orianna, because the moment Turtle gets caught out he's going to die.

I'd rather TSM went with Shen and then pick some hyper-carry ADC, because come mid and late game Turtle can go super ham and have a 1k+ shield on him at all times.

On April 24 2017 19:17 Gahlo wrote:
They lost game 4 because their comp sold out hard on protecting their ADC, but then they picked an ADC that isn't a hyper carry and it fell behind early. I was yelling at the TV "Twitch" over and over again when Cait/Kog were banned in phase 2. It was the only correct pick at that point.

On April 25 2017 13:14 Gahlo wrote:
Hauntzer played Shen 6 times this split with a 4-2 record. The wins coming against Dig, C9, NV, and P1 while the losses were IMT and EF.