EPT[NA LCS] Spring Playoffs 2017 - Page 12
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cLutZ
United States19573 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35130 Posts
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
On April 24 2017 19:17 Gahlo wrote: They lost game 4 because their comp sold out hard on protecting their ADC, but then they picked an ADC that isn't a hyper carry and it fell behind early. I was yelling at the TV "Twitch" over and over again when Cait/Kog were banned in phase 2. It was the only correct pick at that point. They also got mindgamed hard by the Gragas. Thinking it was top, they decided to go with Nautilus into Gragas instead of Shen into Gragas. Instead, C9 flexed Gragas support and took Shen for themselves. If TSM knew that it was going to be Gragas support and that C9 had yet to pick their top laner, they surely would not have went for Nautilus over Shen. Still, the "protect the Lucian" comp has been done before, and it almost worked this series. Sneaky flashing into the bush to deny vision of the last AA probably won them that game because it snowballed bot irrevocably in their favor. Imagine if that first blood goes to Lucian instead. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35130 Posts
On April 24 2017 22:02 GrandInquisitor wrote: They also got mindgamed hard by the Gragas. Thinking it was top, they decided to go with Nautilus into Gragas instead of Shen into Gragas. Instead, C9 flexed Gragas support and took Shen for themselves. If TSM knew that it was going to be Gragas support and that C9 had yet to pick their top laner, they surely would not have went for Nautilus over Shen. Still, the "protect the Lucian" comp has been done before, and it almost worked this series. Sneaky flashing into the bush to deny vision of the last AA probably won them that game because it snowballed bot irrevocably in their favor. Imagine if that first blood goes to Lucian instead. Yeah, I've seen Lucian comps before, but I haven't seen them where the jungle position is sold out for it too - which puts even more onus on the ADC. I also mentioned the FB, albeit indirectly, by noting it fell behind. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19573 Posts
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dsyxelic
United States1417 Posts
tsm never really wanted shen anyways. shen into gragas is still a fine matchup and shen is the better champ right now. hauntzer/tsm has just not preferred the shen lately and would rather play naut in not losing matchups (ex. like grag vs naut). if they knew the shen was top they probably would have picked renekton or something. c9 knew this so they just bait out the naut and get the winning matchup in shen vs naut. normally this wouldn't really be worth (especially if you can get the shen anyways) because you generally would rather have a better support and an even matchup top tank than a weaker lane bot with winning top tank but in this case where top was the lane c9 was generally getting snowballed on by hauntzer/sven I think it was a smart move to put some power there. it was a good adapatation by c9 but don't think the impact (heh) was as big as it would seem and don't really blame tsm for falling for it. if we HAD to blame I would just blame them for not getting their shen better but thats a different story. | ||
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
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dsyxelic
United States1417 Posts
also the shen nerfs were quite large for the 7.8 patch (which MSI will be played on) so I highly doubt shen will be a priority pick anymore for the time being. so this will probably be a non-issue there. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35130 Posts
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dsyxelic
United States1417 Posts
On April 25 2017 13:14 Gahlo wrote: Hauntzer played Shen 6 times this split with a 4-2 record. The wins coming against Dig, C9, NV, and P1 while the losses were IMT and EF. yes we know he played it in the past without much problems which is why it's strange also for context 66% on a champ is his 2nd lowest. the lowest being his 0% 0-1 gangplank. so it's not really unreasonable to assume TSM and/or hauntzer just didn't want to use shen last patch. they never really seemed to want to shen last patch even when open when most other teams would take it. | ||
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