EPT[NA LCS] Summer 2014 Super Week 1 - Page 143
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sataNik[pG]
Greece722 Posts
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Bearded Elder29903 Posts
coL won C9? Crs over Dongertoss? wtf happened Edit : Probably match fixing, lol :D jk Edit 2 : Whoa that pr0lly's ult in last teamfight won them the game. Also ROBERTxLEE CARRYING HARD LOL. | ||
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NightElf
Bangladesh117 Posts
LMQ always gives side farm to ackerman..And that dude dive in teamfight like a boss..And then we have seraph who just roam around like a jungler with a carry top laner.. | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On May 26 2014 18:09 NightElf wrote: CLG's team strat is so poor...Picking irelia with vayne..Irelia who cant do 2vs1 well and vayne who cant 2vs2..Giving all the farm to DL.. LMQ always gives side farm to ackerman..And that dude dive in teamfight like a boss..And then we have seraph who just roam around like a jungler with a carry top laner.. There's a lot of posts about CLG(/Seraph) that I agree but and this is honestly the long and short of the CLG/LMQ match. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
Either way I haven't played this game for months but the mistakes were obvious from pick/ban, almost as if they had someone who had no idea how the game works creating strategies for them. My favorite two players, chauster/jiji haven't been on CLG for a long time now, I find it hard to keep rooting for them when they make amateur level mistakes repeatedly. Oh and drafting lol. Seraph's solo queue games show he doesn't play trundle/mundo, he does play renek which would've been a far better pick. Either way they don't get him shyvana when lee sin is open for jungle so no point in picking elise. Great thought process all around. Edit: ok rewatched the first two minutes. The four top thing only works if C9 puts their bot top. The saw shyvanna ward and sent doube/aphro bot, but then midway they turn around and walk back to top. Dexter looked like he was gonna start blue either way. No idea why they didn't run at C9's red. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On May 26 2014 18:29 NeoIllusions wrote: There's a lot of posts about CLG(/Seraph) that I agree but and this is honestly the long and short of the CLG/LMQ match. I find it rather funny how we just had a discussion about Irelia in this thread and how she needs to secure her early game so she can get her mid game timing correctly. Then CLG decide to do the exact opposite making her completely useless. It baffles me further that Monte made a very similar observation of Irelia in the OGN finals. Does the team just not listen? | ||
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TitusVI
Germany8319 Posts
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Sleight
2471 Posts
On May 26 2014 20:39 Numy wrote: I find it rather funny how we just had a discussion about Irelia in this thread and how she needs to secure her early game so she can get her mid game timing correctly. Then CLG decide to do the exact opposite making her completely useless. It baffles me further that Monte made a very similar observation of Irelia in the OGN finals. Does the team just not listen? Monte recently made a comment that his role as an analyst is less powerful than his role as a coach, so I think you might be exactly on point. I imagine in one conversation, he talks about Irelia as a strong pick. In another, they discuss that the laneswap meta makes Vayne a viable option. CLG cross-pollinates and ends up with a terrible 1v2 top lane and a terrible 2v2 bot lane, thus ensuring someone was useless. | ||
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I_Love_Bacon
United States5765 Posts
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On May 27 2014 06:10 I_Love_Bacon wrote: Shyvana 10-1 in NA LCS Week 1. Stronk. She's pretty much like Renekton except uses teleport better. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21991 Posts
On May 27 2014 07:23 wei2coolman wrote: She's pretty much like Renekton except uses teleport better. She has a better 1v2 which I think it more important. | ||
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KissBlade
United States5718 Posts
On May 27 2014 07:24 Gorsameth wrote: She has a better 1v2 which I think it more important. I thought it's because she can jungle better? Renekton should have a better 1v2 shouldn't he? He has innate sustain and an earlier access to escape. He also supports a jungler better for a 2v2 or 4v3. | ||
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
On May 27 2014 08:04 KissBlade wrote: I thought it's because she can jungle better? Renekton should have a better 1v2 shouldn't he? He has innate sustain and an earlier access to escape. He also supports a jungler better for a 2v2 or 4v3. Renekton is just utterly useless after laning phase and if you're ready to sacrifice your toplane i don't see a reason why do you have to pick Renekton and not Ryze, Jax, Shyvana or Doctor Mundo, guys who are actually useless outside of laning phase. But Shyvana is going strong, with 18-3 in both LCSes. Kha'Zix is 0% winrate in NA still, KottenX still only one iirc who won with it in EU. | ||
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Zato-1
Chile4253 Posts
On May 27 2014 08:56 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: Renekton is just utterly useless after laning phase and if you're ready to sacrifice your toplane i don't see a reason why do you have to pick Renekton and not Ryze, Jax, Shyvana or Doctor Mundo, guys who are actually useless outside of laning phase. But Shyvana is going strong, with 18-3 in both LCSes. Kha'Zix is 0% winrate in NA still, KottenX still only one iirc who won with it in EU. Champion win rates aren't very indicative of champion strength with such a small sample size, by this point in the last split Lucian had gone 1-8 in NA LCS but is now considered arguably the strongest ADC around. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On May 27 2014 08:04 KissBlade wrote: I thought it's because she can jungle better? Renekton should have a better 1v2 shouldn't he? He has innate sustain and an earlier access to escape. He also supports a jungler better for a 2v2 or 4v3. Hai talked about this and shyvana is just better with teleport. Her ult + her ridiculous movement speed lets her get into fights quickly and makes her a huge threat immediately. Renekton does have a gap closer but it's still worse than shyvana's and since teleport takes a while the other team can react to it. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
On May 27 2014 13:01 Zato-1 wrote: Champion win rates aren't very indicative of champion strength with such a small sample size, by this point in the last split Lucian had gone 1-8 in NA LCS but is now considered arguably the strongest ADC around. Lucian is strongest adc since his release, nothing new. When you have dash, wave clear, possible resets and ability to make 6 attacks in 2 seconds, that's cute. Especially after Jinx's chompers nerf. Those losses, lol, NA was pretty bad in that case because NA had 3 teams winning and 5 teams losing :p He's going strong lately, not losing a game in NA playoffs iirc? + He's like 9-3 in EU after Week 1. | ||
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Sleight
2471 Posts
On May 27 2014 19:01 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: Lucian is strongest adc since his release, nothing new. When you have dash, wave clear, possible resets and ability to make 6 attacks in 2 seconds, that's cute. Especially after Jinx's chompers nerf. Those losses, lol, NA was pretty bad in that case because NA had 3 teams winning and 5 teams losing :p He's going strong lately, not losing a game in NA playoffs iirc? + He's like 9-3 in EU after Week 1. I don't like the word "strongest" adc, because I don't think that word is really clear in its meaning. He is a good lane bully, a low cd dash, a great passive, strong scaling, and decent wave clear. If we were in a meta where mobility wasn't important, he wouldn't be nearly as impressive, and if we get into an even more dedicated laneswap meta, immobile ADCs will make a stronger comeback. When he gets nerf, I hope it is just his E cooldown/cost. He is just too mobile for the raw power of his kit, which is otherwise incredibly well balanced. Again, too mobile *for his kit.* My hope is that they nerf the CD but make it so activating your R immediately resets it. Lots of outplay potential, but makes it less available in laning phase where it feels too strong. | ||
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
On May 28 2014 01:07 Sleight wrote: I don't like the word "strongest" adc, because I don't think that word is really clear in its meaning. He is a good lane bully, a low cd dash, a great passive, strong scaling, and decent wave clear. If we were in a meta where mobility wasn't important, he wouldn't be nearly as impressive, and if we get into an even more dedicated laneswap meta, immobile ADCs will make a stronger comeback. When he gets nerf, I hope it is just his E cooldown/cost. He is just too mobile for the raw power of his kit, which is otherwise incredibly well balanced. Again, too mobile *for his kit.* My hope is that they nerf the CD but make it so activating your R immediately resets it. Lots of outplay potential, but makes it less available in laning phase where it feels too strong. Well, let's put it as general. I don't like exaggerations as well, but generally, Lucian has best kit for ad. Personally, i don't want him to be nerfed, i prefer other champions to be buffed. I still wish that Riot will make Jinx able to switch weapons instantly, without delay. | ||
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