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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
January 03 2014 13:44 GMT
#2401
right now frost is barely a top 10 team by personnel, and their coaching staff is literally doing nothing both personnel wise and game strategy wise. the way other teams have adapted to s4 changes completely passed them by it seems.

this is more than enough to call frost shit
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
January 03 2014 13:52 GMT
#2402
On January 03 2014 22:44 oneofthem wrote:
right now frost is barely a top 10 team by personnel, and their coaching staff is literally doing nothing both personnel wise and game strategy wise. the way other teams have adapted to s4 changes completely passed them by it seems.

this is more than enough to call frost shit

With how falcons with rynder looks 40 times better, KTA is recovering and hopefully IM #2 and NJBS won't get a group with SSB and KTB I see CJ frost not even getting out of groups next season.
Glorious SEA doto
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
January 03 2014 15:03 GMT
#2403
Shy and Madlife pretty much played 2v5 this series
Bronze player stuck in platinum
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
January 03 2014 15:06 GMT
#2404
Vods

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suicideyear
Profile Joined December 2012
Ivory Coast3016 Posts
January 03 2014 16:29 GMT
#2405
helios and gbm make me want to die
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Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
January 03 2014 16:45 GMT
#2406
On January 04 2014 01:29 suicideyear wrote:
helios and gbm make me want to die

Man I remember when GBM showed some promise, then he just never expanded his pool beyond zed/ori and now he looks even mediocre on these two. CJ should seriously contemplate looking into yolo queue now, or pull an atn and #FreeApdo.
Glorious SEA doto
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
January 03 2014 16:55 GMT
#2407
I was rooting for GBM to do well but I don't think this was what he needed to do to stay on the team.

picking blitzcrank game 3 with vs. what was already on the board was basically "well we don't have anymore ideas" as soon as they picked it I knew they were broken even with madlife being as good as he is nidalee and Ezreal aren't going to be scared of that.
Carrilord has arrived.
nosliw
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2716 Posts
January 03 2014 18:24 GMT
#2408
rec games?
suicideyear
Profile Joined December 2012
Ivory Coast3016 Posts
January 03 2014 19:15 GMT
#2409
On January 04 2014 03:24 nosliw wrote:
rec games?


none were close.

game 2 if you wanna see dade on kha'zix, game 3 if you want to see imp poop on space while madlife can only watch
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RouaF
Profile Joined October 2010
France4121 Posts
January 03 2014 19:54 GMT
#2410
What I learned from today :

- Dade needs a haircut
- Even godlife's god hand can't carry frost
- It must feel weird to be one if not the best toplaner in the world and to be on a losing team
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
January 03 2014 20:11 GMT
#2411
On January 04 2014 04:15 suicideyear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2014 03:24 nosliw wrote:
rec games?


none were close.

game 2 if you wanna see dade on kha'zix, game 3 if you want to see imp poop on space while madlife can only watch

I think game 1 was an excellent game in the strategical sense.
Bronze player stuck in platinum
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
January 03 2014 20:24 GMT
#2412
picking Kha'zix (game 1) with an obvious fast push comp on the board was pretty greedy, jungle kha'zix needs time to grow to contribute, I honestly feel like it was a champ select loss, not because the champions they picked being bad (which might be why this isn't being said as much) but because their draft was very greedy in the face of what was on the board.
Carrilord has arrived.
iKill[ShocK]
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Vietnam3530 Posts
January 03 2014 21:39 GMT
#2413
Don't want a repeat champ so rooting for both KTB and Shield. LETS GOO!!
<3 Kim Taeyeon
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
January 03 2014 22:04 GMT
#2414
Boo. Go SKT. Repeat champs breeds legitimacy within LoL as an Esport!
Freeeeeeedom
UmberBane
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany5450 Posts
January 03 2014 22:11 GMT
#2415
On January 04 2014 07:04 cLutZ wrote:
Boo. Go SKT. Repeat champs breeds legitimacy within LoL as an Esport!


Does it? Just as you I'd love to see SKT take it again although their win record (and Faker's performance) tells us more than enough about LoL either way, even if they got knocked out by KTB now. Still rooting for them.

onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
January 03 2014 22:17 GMT
#2416
On January 04 2014 07:11 UmberBane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2014 07:04 cLutZ wrote:
Boo. Go SKT. Repeat champs breeds legitimacy within LoL as an Esport!


Does it? Just as you I'd love to see SKT take it again although their win record (and Faker's performance) tells us more than enough about LoL either way, even if they got knocked out by KTB now. Still rooting for them.


There certainly is something to said about their consistency. They've proven that although the game is ever changing to be a true top team you need to adjust to the meta and play accordingly. A repeat win would cement them as arguably the most dominate team of all time (otherwise I assume it would be the old Azubu Frost but even they had their ups and downs.)
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
January 03 2014 22:25 GMT
#2417
faker's boys have displayed a skill level above that of all other teams ever. should appreciate that for a bit.

every post like "but tpa did this dumb shit so we'll see!" makes me facepalm. the 2nd generation korean teams represent the highest potential league has as a competitive game
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
UmberBane
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany5450 Posts
January 03 2014 22:28 GMT
#2418
Also I think nobody would argue against it if you said that the League scene today, especially in Korea, is much more competitive than it has ever been, especially way back in S2. Which makes it even more impressive what SKT have done. Thorin called it "one of the best storylines in esports history, nevermind just LoL in 2013", which seems understandable.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-03 22:30:05
January 03 2014 22:28 GMT
#2419
IMO, the biggest problem with the SCII scene (when I still followed it) was the seeming inability of any player to dominate (except, maybe MC for a while). It made it feel like results were too random and that tournaments were not totally determined by the skill of the players, but by a serious "luck" factor within the game.

Edit. And TPA + Frost not even making it back was a black eye, in my mind at least.
Freeeeeeedom
UmberBane
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany5450 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-03 22:37:44
January 03 2014 22:33 GMT
#2420
On January 04 2014 07:28 cLutZ wrote:
IMO, the biggest problem with the SCII scene (when I still followed it) was the seeming inability of any player to dominate (except, maybe MC for a while). It made it feel like results were too random and that tournaments were not totally determined by the skill of the players, but by a serious "luck" factor within the game.


Oh I actually agree with that. I still like SC2 a lot and I often feel dickish when I say that, but it was somewhat surprising that with the impact of KeSPA teams we haven't seen someone consistently dominate at the highest level (so mainly in Korea), when at the same time it can be argued that the overall level of competition is lesser than in BW simply due to the weakened infrastructure SC2 has to work with. Back in WoL we had guys like MVP and MC, in HotS Bogus looked like the next bonjwa before he fell off pretty rapidly, but we've not seen a consistent god of SC2 in a long time, which in my opinion would help out SC2 quite a bit, especially if it happened to be someone already popular. It's a bit regrettable.

Oh, somewhat ironically Jeadong comes close in levels of consistency, but only as a silver surfer in foreign tournaments.

... but to come back to the original point. Even though SC2 is missing that I don't think it lacks legitimacy as a competitive game in the eyes of most people, except to some of the old BW folks (and a part of the Korean audience? SC2 had to take a lot of criticism from Korean SC1 fans).
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