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If there was one thing I disliked about S3 it would have to be their inefficiency. They would send it over to the caster desk who would then send it over to the analyst desk. The analyst desk would do all the talking and the caster desk really didn't need to do that. Really pointless and mindnumbing from a production stand point. I think all the countdown stuff was really lame and they should have just directly transitioned into the next stuff with like maybe 30 seconds of downtime or no downtime at all. If they need filler just have the caster desk talk or the analyst desk talk for a few more minutes as I'm sure they had a lot more to say. They had like 3 minute downtime transitioning between interviews, games, and the analyst desk.
They should have also made segments for a few players. It sounds a bit selfish to take away all the spotlight, but having a segment for 1 specific player like they did for Mushi can be much more impactful to an audience. I guess this year felt like a promotion for league of legends/esports rather than a promotion for Worlds.
Again, Worlds was still far below OGN in about every aspect though. I'm so much more hyped to watch OGN than Worlds outside just seeing the results between international teams.
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all the reason to spam #korea all up in my friends' faces
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Korea swept this year.
#production #allstars #montepredictions #worlds
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I just hope they could tone down the hyperbole for whoever it is that happens to be the analysts next year. by the end of the tournament picking 2nd would basically be called a counter pick by the casters regardless of what it was. the analysis of the finals alone was really quite annoying, is Deficio in charge of the draft because he came across as having no clue how to team draft.
eg
Game 1-
Malphite- don't know how they didn't see this pick coming, not only is he good vs. a team with 2 auto attackers (corki is effected by this less yes, but in combination with Jax it's enough.) they had already locked in Vayne vs. Corki so 1v2 would be ideal and Malphite 1v2s better than Jax. The champion did what they needed it to do, he held tower with over half health remaining to the point that a Vayne was able to out push a Corki, and he went into the 1v1 with enough of a lead to bully. It was not until godlike followed a team call or poorly judged a fight middle to tp for no reason did he allow jax back into the game by giving up tower pressure for free. Analyst desk after the game brings up Malphite as a poor choice. not seeing it.
Hell if it was not for Kobe basically cutting Monte off to praise Bengi one might have gotten the impression that he was not the story of game 1, Bengi snowballed Faker out of control and Faker with a lead knows how to apply pressure, Royal went on tilt and started blowing multiple unstacked CC in order to try to blow up faker none of this was mentioned it was just why did they pick malphite an ori got countered by Gragas zzz.
Another thing that really bothered me was game 1 we know that SKT chose red side for some reason, they speculated it was either to do the c9 style bans (ban nothing strong and get 2 heros for 1) or just to get the last overall pick. But neither of these things happened, Ori was first picked so they could have used the final pick to "counter" top lane, but they chose to pick Gragas last anyway, bans were normal, etc. "well they didn't know ori would be first pick so they wanted it just in case" possible, but why not pick top last then? at 17 min we saw SKT take down Baron with all 5 champions jumping over the wall behind the pit (something only do able from Dire Red side, the connection was never made by the analysts.
Game 2-
They mostly nailed it, too many weak lanes, especially on a team with Lucky, the only reason this game was not as silly as game 3 was because SKT got cocky and decided to group for no apparent reason and got aced, which the desk said as close as they could without killing the hype.
Game 3-
The pre-game Analysis of the Gragas pick really annoyed me. Gragas has always been a safe pick vs. assassins because of his W, but now with the new Korean build where you rush chalice it's actually just bad if you can't establish a lead before Gragas completes it (not even talking Athenes he just needs the Chalice). But the casters went Crazy when he locked in Gragas saying they can't belive he just went and picked it, which was hilarious firstly because he had no choice, Royal was red side, he had to pick something, but secondly all he had to do was pick something that was safe vs. what White might pick Gragas was the ONLY choice bans considered. In fact I felt like the Fizz pick was Terrible at the time, but I can understand it, back against the wall comfort pick etc.
but you watch how it played out, White opened mass regen and expended all of his mana before Lucky could get to mid to try the first gank, which was a dead Faker if he had any mana (not to take away from the fact that Faker most likely was that far up the lane becasue he knew he was safe for this reason). more than anything else further puts on desplay how poorly Lucky allocates his time, the fact that he came back AGAIN when White only had mana to E, Faker was dead if he could combo but he couldn't so Lucky was wasting his time.
But I digress I'm getting away from my main point specifically because the caster desk did mention Lucky's poorly allocated time as best they could while not saying anything bad about the players.
Postgame-
Just one last thing that bothered me, Riot got so caught up in the hype of how much of a viewer success the analyst desk was, at the end of the tournament instead of going holy shit lets get the team in front of the camera asap, the responce was holy shit lets get monte gloating about picking the tournament favorite to win and being correct asap, I don't know, I actually really enjoy watching Monte cast OGN, but his role at worlds got increasingly hard to swallow as the production staff fell in love with playing him up as the Korean villian.
Edit: forgot to mention the constant harping on the Vi ban. With a jungler as inept at counter ganking as Lucky Royal had every right to be terrified of Assault and Battery
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On October 06 2013 05:53 Numy wrote:TI3 just looking at the storylines was pretty special. Another western team rising to the top after so long it just being Navi vs the world. Orange and mushi showing they are no longer just a team that is skilled but unable to play the longer game. China going through a troubling period but TF and DK fighting against the odds. Liquid finally overcoming LGD. Navi scrapping through to the finals. The epic Western showdown that finally concluded with a resounding message of Puppey finally figuring out Alliance(Which no one else could) but Alliance managing to scrape through for the win. Worlds had the production but not the storylines. It's just the fault of the format. I guess if you look at the whole season the storylines are more about the individual regions than worlds itself. The C9 stomp and SKT T1 fight to get to worlds. Gamia bears beating the odds and making it. M5 scraping through. It's novel but I can't help but feel worlds itself should create more 
the thing with direct seeds into quartes has definately to be adressed. It robs the teams of exposure (like C9, who went down directly) and their fans a lot of matches. I think Vulcun or TSM fans are way more satisfied with the tournament than C9 fans.
overall it was a good tournament. There was the chance for a better final if Ozone were at top form. But they totally underperformed and so it was a kinda easy win for SKT T1. (also Sword showed, that you can take games of much better opposition with a strong pick/ban)
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It's just the lack of games. A single elim bracket doesn't really give the same potential for a story line. TI3 would have never gotten the Orange or Navi vs TF or Aegis deny(hueheue) story if it was single elim. I get there are problems with any bracket and a whole host wrong with double elim but this is Worlds man. It can't just be so few games!
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Teams facing each other multiple times creates storylines. There's just not much story to two teams that have never played each other and have no history, and its exacerbated by the fact that Riot has prevented all inter-regional competition throughout Season 3 meaning that those prior-to-Worlds rivalries don't exist except among teams from the same region.
So when teams don't have rivalries/history against each other going into the event, and when the format doesn't allow teams to face each other multiple times unless they met in groups, you have very little to go on other than regional loyalty and underdog stories.
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hype can be created by dominant performances against well known teams (tpa vs m5) and personalities. there was decent hype for royal because of tabe and their rather dominant/dramatic performance against fnatic. would have been better if they took out another western team in dominant fashion.
without that game 3 i think most would agree that royal put up a good fight. but the game 3 loss looms too large because it was the last game. they played about the same as najin sword when sword didn't have the b/p counter against skt. of course, their shallow hero pool and overall skill deficiency in top and jungle really prevented them from strategically countering skt effectively with picks.
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What an exciting championships, even if the finals were not that close. My biggest complaint: I already have a sweet Jax Skin and only play 1 of the other 4 Champs they won with!
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On October 06 2013 08:19 oneofthem wrote:
hype can be created by dominant performances against well known teams (tpa vs m5) and personalities. there was decent hype for royal because of tabe and their rather dominant/dramatic performance against fnatic. would have been better if they took out another western team in dominant fashion.
without that game 3 i think most would agree that royal put up a good fight. but the game 3 loss looms too large because it was the last game.
game 2 would have been just as one sided if SKT didn't group for no apperent reason at a point in the game where neither Jax or Zed could be 1v1'd
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On October 06 2013 08:32 Slusher wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2013 08:19 oneofthem wrote:
hype can be created by dominant performances against well known teams (tpa vs m5) and personalities. there was decent hype for royal because of tabe and their rather dominant/dramatic performance against fnatic. would have been better if they took out another western team in dominant fashion.
without that game 3 i think most would agree that royal put up a good fight. but the game 3 loss looms too large because it was the last game. game 2 would have been just as one sided if SKT didn't group for no apperent reason at a point in the game where neither Jax or Zed could be 1v1'd
yea that was a huge t1 throw for no reason lol, especially against a kassadin. they could have split pushed all day.
still, an ace is an ace despite the enemy throw.
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i'll chime in. i think these games and the whole entire set up and tournament was awful compared to TI3 and although sometimes sc2 fails hard ive had more enjoyment watching a lot of the games in it compared to this. the majority of games were laning stomps and 25 minutes of watching another team die.
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Usually SKT push for a good reason. They had decent poke/catch potential with zyra/ezreal and I think the other lanes were pushing. I mean, when you have a 5k gold lead and kassadin didn't have any major items that's a pretty good time to force a fight. I just thought it was a really good catch by tabe.
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On October 05 2013 23:41 schmutttt wrote:
Just watched intro.
wtf did I just watch
yeah... what was that really. Looks like something they fixed together that morning from craigslist
I liked Monte. And the less british casters the better. Quickshot still looks batshit crazy. He should be on the floor talking to fans instead of analyzing games
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On October 06 2013 10:54 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Usually SKT push for a good reason. They had decent poke/catch potential with zyra/ezreal and I think the other lanes were pushing. I mean, when you have a 5k gold lead and kassadin didn't have any major items that's a pretty good time to force a fight. I just thought it was a really good catch by tabe.
Meh, 3 Melle champs and overall bad poke under turret vs. a Sona counter-engage and Vayne/Kass. SKT needed to blow up Kass or Vayne to start fights that early otherwise, you can't disengage from that Royal Comp.
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quickshot is fine i guess, i still like how he say frags instead of kills LMFAO.
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On October 06 2013 10:57 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2013 10:54 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Usually SKT push for a good reason. They had decent poke/catch potential with zyra/ezreal and I think the other lanes were pushing. I mean, when you have a 5k gold lead and kassadin didn't have any major items that's a pretty good time to force a fight. I just thought it was a really good catch by tabe. Meh, 3 Melle champs and overall bad poke under turret vs. a Sona counter-engage and Vayne/Kass. SKT needed to blow up Kass or Vayne to start fights that early otherwise, you can't disengage from that Royal Comp.
The funny part. Only piglet got caught by the crescendo. Lolololol
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On October 06 2013 08:10 TheYango wrote:
Teams facing each other multiple times creates storylines. There's just not much story to two teams that have never played each other and have no history, and its exacerbated by the fact that Riot has prevented all inter-regional competition throughout Season 3 meaning that those prior-to-Worlds rivalries don't exist except among teams from the same region.
So when teams don't have rivalries/history against each other going into the event, and when the format doesn't allow teams to face each other multiple times unless they met in groups, you have very little to go on other than regional loyalty and underdog stories.
Yep, it's very sad. I really wish people would put more time and thought into their formats. -_- It really isn't that difficult especially when you are willing to throw money like that.
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On October 06 2013 11:05 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2013 10:57 cLutZ wrote:On October 06 2013 10:54 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Usually SKT push for a good reason. They had decent poke/catch potential with zyra/ezreal and I think the other lanes were pushing. I mean, when you have a 5k gold lead and kassadin didn't have any major items that's a pretty good time to force a fight. I just thought it was a really good catch by tabe. Meh, 3 Melle champs and overall bad poke under turret vs. a Sona counter-engage and Vayne/Kass. SKT needed to blow up Kass or Vayne to start fights that early otherwise, you can't disengage from that Royal Comp. The funny part. Only piglet got caught by the crescendo. Lolololol
Yea... Because everyone else knew better
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